Honestly really enjoy reading comics but I dont want to waste my time reading garbo. Don't mind poltics or whatever in my stories, just have actual nuance please. My favorite of all time is The Dark Knight Returns, I just want to read some good stuff. any good reccs?
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Watchmen is great too. Great one-two punch along with TDKR.
>ywn be a comic book fan in 1986-7
Crazy.
>Cerebus at its peak
>Dark Horse launches
>Saga of the Swamp Thing in full swing
Love and Rockets was also really good around this time with The Death of Speedy and Human Diastrophism.
>Kraven's Last Hunt
kek
I’m just getting into comics and it seems all the interesting stuff happened in the 80s-90s
I’m not interested that much in generic capeshit slop
Another great one.
>I’m just getting into comics and it seems all the interesting stuff happened in the 80s-90s
Oldgay here. It was at that perfect timeframe of still having enough lighthearted elements from the silver age to have actual fun with, not too many characters or plot elements to be drowned underneath in, and "for kids"-kind of thinking in general to keep them accessible to normies, but the original kid fans of the silver age grew up and began to work in the industry - and were maturing the stories and making the various lores more coherent into a solid continuity WHILE STILL under relatively tight editorial fists - and also when comic shops and thus the direct marketing opening up. This meant you could still have one-and-done but entertaining stories at the Big Two while indies were free to explore much more serious themes, silly ones, or both at once in a huge burst of creativity. This is the era we got the Ninja Turtles in, the most successful indie comic ever. Even DC shook it up with COIE, to say the least.
Thus you could follow the superhero universes and keep up with relatively everything while seeing them begin to become a solidified, living universe, but also see them finally "grow up" with you if you were a teen. And direct market comic shops suddenly placed so many more options at your fingertips.
In many ways it was the swan song of a comic culture that was actually healthy, not the 90s bust or the collapse of the market in the 00s onward.
Why is that comic so hyped up? i read it and it seems bland. is it because he managed to beat the Spiderman?
It gives dimension to Kraven, a characterization of feeling frustrated and empty from where he is(in a meta sense, making him want to break out of this cycle he's been in comics of just being a jobber)
Peter being driven by his love for Mary Jane, which emphasizes why people like that pairing.
Also some good character moments like Peter tossing some money for the funeral of that one underworld contact he had. Basically it's a very human element story.
The one thing I'm not too fond of is Kraven's big victory being fricking Vermin of all people- but maybe that's the point- he's basically a nobody but Kraven sees that as a win only because Spider-man needed Cap to take him in.
Incredible art and great thematic storytelling about jealousy, obsession and hatred (both of self and enemies). It's a great comic.
>great thematic storytelling about jealousy, obsession and hatred
HE'S NAKED AND EATING SPIDERS
LITERALLY
You need to have the context to enjoy it fully. Spider-man just got married, kraven always jobbed to spidey
>Watchmen
>Batman The Edge Knight
>good comics
They're all crap written by deconstructionist hacks.
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>earliest result is 2014
Christ, anon
Waid hasn't had a life since 2013
>17 results
>only similarity between the other two old posts is the filename
You should write for the news.
The 2017 post is replying to another variation of that Cap image (this time with a Nazi edit), and the image dimensions are also the exact same between all the posts. Inference on the 2013 one, which is necessary since the archives don't save images that far back, suggests it's when the guy first created this edit.
>all those writers hate nazis and ridicule them in their work
Really gets the noggin joggin
Miller was reinventing Batman into the edgy dark knight character and trashing the goofy Adam West persona which is what everyone knew him as. Tim Burton helped that shift too with his movies.
Casual as frick. Miller did push the boundaries a bit but Batman comics by the 70's sure weren't campy Adam West stuff.
Miller just did it with more artistic merit.
I never said he invented that, I’m saying that’s what he was going for. He was recreating Batman as this mythical figure. He wasn’t really deconstructing it in the pissy way Moore did with watchmen
>pissy
Moore made them more human, but kept them larger than life.
>Batman comics by the 70's sure weren't campy Adam West stuff.
Batman comics in the 70s also almost got the book canceled. He was in a death spiral until the Conway/Wein eras. As much as the O'Neill/Englehart stuff is beloved, it didn't sell at the time of release
Miller wasn't doing any of that shit. He was bringing Batman out of the fricking camp ghetto of the 60s and the obscurist pulp schlock that almost go thim canceled of the 70s in favor of a Batman with modern storytelling sensibilities, paying homage to both the pulp and gothic Carollian mythology of the character, but ultimately going back to the style of storytelling you'd find in the OG Finger/Kane/Robinson/Sprang books of the 40s and early 50s.
That's the "Dark Knight's Return". Going back to the black bat, one fighting a city of horrors aesthetic where Joker is supernatural and Batman's job is being rational in an irrational world
>He was bringing Batman out of the fricking camp ghetto of the 60s
and thank god for that
Golden Age Batman did it right the first time
Miller is even on record saying his Batman was about returning the character to the Golden Age style.
The Adam West person WAS a subversion. Miller's Batman is just a grown up version of that.
Adam West Batman wasn't for kids, dude. It was marketed to adults to laugh at the absurd camp. That was the primary audience.
I like how you stopped replying to any and all threads involving these guys.
Looks like Cap doesn't stand after all.
NONE of that applies to The Dark Knight Returns. Not even remotely.
Egdygarbage shit in TDK was a deconstuction of the classic adam west batman we all love.
You are beyond delusional.
That's not even 1/10 of what was worth buying during that period.
What else was there?
Jon Sable, Freelance
TMNT
American Flagg!
Badger
Nexus
Scout
Judge Dredd (reprint series)
2000 A.D. Presents (reprint series)
Spellbinders (reprint series)
Ms. Tree
Fish Police
Xenozoic Tales
The Chronicles of Corum
Uncanny X-Men
all 3 Superman books
Teen Titans was still pretty decent
Legion of Super-Heroes
Dreadstar
Dynamo Joe
Elric (First Comics)
E-Man
Evangeline
Time2
Grimjack
Lone Wolf and Cub
Whisper
all 3 Spider-Man books
New Mutants
Swamp Thing
Groo
Alien Legion
Airboy
Axa
Mai, the Psychic Girl
The Prowler
Strike!
Winterworld
Area 88
Captain Confederacy
Elfquest
Justice League
Keep in mind that this is just what was being published in America. And I didn't really even get deep into Marvel or DC. And there's more indie stuff as well.
>And I didn't really even get deep into Marvel or DC.
Punisher
Hulk
Captain America (not as great as most of what's been listed, but still not half bad at the time)
Elektra: Assassin
'Mazing Man
Secret Origins
both G.I. Joe books
The 'Nam
Crisis on Infinite Earths
The Shadow: Blood and Judgment
Suicide Squad
The Question
Doctor Fate
Green Arrow
Fantastic Four
Thor
>And there's more indie stuff as well.
Dark Horse Presents
Usagi Yojimbo
Concrete
Sam & Max
Excluding Spidey (because that was sort of already mentioned here:
) that's 63 titles (both ongoings and a few minis). And yeah, most of those are satisfying reads. Pretty insane how much stuff was coming out back then.
>Time2
I liked the American Flagg intro to Time^2 more than the actual Time^2. Time^2 has some of the best lettering in any comic, though.
Yeah that pic was just a small cross section of the absolute top stuff I took from a blog somewhere
Crazy to think there was a time when it was worth being into comic books
Ronin
Yea lotta nuance in TDKR. You're a mongoloid OP. You want a well written story, nothing more nothing less, but you've rotted your brain with so much YouTube you think it's about politics. moron.
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gonna have to explain that one, was saying I don't mind stories with political mesasges etc but dont like the message crap we have. Want well written stories with nuance, good writing etc.dont understand what youre saying TDKR is a political story, ps dont rot brain with youtube, watch a few tubers but prefer to just read on my own
It's Ronald Reagan (he was in office at time of publishing) in a hazmat suit prepping for a nuclear attack on the US lying to the public. Just imagine if it were Trump you'd be tearing your hair out crying POLITICAL POLITICAL POLITICAL.
Nah. The Trump stuff involved mass derangement. It's a whole other animal.
>t-that doesn't count
It is literally Miller taking his mainstream Batman comic to shit on the sitting republican president (reviled by dems) with a direct reference, making him a cartoonish coward and butthole. This is why I called you a mongoloid
It’s pretty insane to think that Reagan opposed MAD and wanted to create the “Star Wars” tech as it was insultingly called to make nuclear ICBMs obsolete, and then just give it to the Soviets too in order to make sure nuclear war never happened, and he was painted as this nuclear Armageddon freak. But yeah, the sane normie liberal position at the time was to make sure Mutually assured destruction was cemented and they considered Reagan crazy for not wanting to be in a nuclear Mexican standoff with Russia.
Of course all these people were wrong and Reagan was ultimately right in this regard.
He probably was painted as a nuclear freak because of him arming west germany to the teeth and re-stoking the flames of nuclear tension back to cuban missle crisis levels with the "evil empire speech". Gorbachev deserves more credit than the Gipper in de-escalation by a wide margin
>Call the Soviet Union an Evil Empire
>”AHHH YOURE GOING TO START WW3!”
This is moron logic. Reagan instigated START treaty to reduce nuclear weapons.
>Call them an evil empire while simultaneously loading the USSR/European border with minutemen nuclear missles
Ftfy
>actually libtard speeches from heads of state mean nothing toward their attitude in a nuclear standoff and how far they are willing to go
Absolute moron. We're likely just lucky Reagan went senile and they reduced his influence significantly behind the scenes.
It was the Soviets who put nukes JUST out of range from Western Europe targets that was agreed upon in SALT. The Soviets always broke their promises because they were a rotten oligarchic authoritarian empire who were so used to bullshiting their own people that they believed they could do it to other countries. In either case, Reagan negotiated for them to eventually withdraw with the INF treaty.
You’re acting like Reagan was crazy when his plan worked and he didn’t cause a war at all and got the Soviet to the negotiation table by bucking at their attempts to strong arm the west.
>rotten oligarchic authoritarian empire who were so used to bullshiting their own people that they believed they could do it to other countries.
Jesus christ you unironically wrote this defending Reagan and the USA?
>Reagan bad! Zoomer homosexual communist Tiktok told me so!
You’re a rock with teeth
Yes moron, Reagan’s policy forwards the Soviets obviously worked. It’s also obvious your an illiterate moron who knows dick about history which is why you dropped all pretense of trying to seriously discuss this and are just shitposting now. Go back to breadtube or whatever lol.
The Soviet Union is dead and it’s NEVER EVER coming back
>it is impossible to hate 2 nuclear warmongering empires
Americuck education lmao
Sure thing, now go actually read about history before embarrassing yourself again. And stop watching e-commie slop.
There's a reason your country is closer to Belarus than the EU median or Canada in Gini coefficient or IHDI. No country won the Cold War, just like Russia it turned the US into a country controlled by miltarism and destined its citizens to mass wageslavery.
It's also fricking hilarious you keep flip flopping, was Reagan not actually a nuclear aggressionist or did his nuclear aggression make Gorbachev dealt with the US? Pick one mongo. Let's not even mention that Reagan couldn't remember his own name by the time the USSR was dealing with the USA too.
America won the Cold War and the Soviet Union and the eastern bloc collapsed in on itself.
Cope, seethe and dilate
And yet the standard of living for the average Estonian or Czech is fairly better than someone in Missouri, West Virginia or Albama. Big win.
>living standards went up after the fall of communism
Correct
>standards of living in the US have gone down consistently since the Cold War took its toll on the country
Also correct moron. I never once have supported the USSR in this thread, I know your pathetic American brain can only think in adversarial us vs them terms (ironically because of cold war propaganda) but think for 10 seconds how embarrassing that is for the US.
Yeah, you lost an argument you started on a topic you clearly knew nothing about, then went on a spastic rant
The fact that Reagan was a nuclear aggressionist is just that fact, but you still haven't picked whether he was one or not though you low attention span Black person.
>The fact that Reagan was a nuclear aggressionist is just that fact
He’s not, his whole thing was ending MAD and he oversaw several limitation treaties
I know you have a hate boner for Reagan because pop culture told you he’s bad, but you’re being moronic.
Carter had already changed the second strike protocols before he was even elected. You keep giving the Gipper undue credit because the media view thinks he was a half step below Jesus.
Also you're still just completely ignoring Gorbachav taking over with a completely different attitude to the US than every previous Soviet leader, while Reagan had a more aggressive attitude than his last few predecessors. And then you're somehow giving Reagan credit lmfao.
It's practically an objective fact that Reagan went in hard on the Soviets, certainly in his first term or so. He won the 1980 election almost entirely based on the promise of ending détente and his not being some wimpy Democrat who dared to think the USA could live in a world with Communism in it as well as Iran, but that's a whole other can of worms. I don't see why that's something up for debate. Even SDI/Star Wars came about only because Reagan, in the case of nuclear war, wanted to be capable of wiping out Russia without them even touching the US. Sure, it meant he was against MAD which is a good thing by itself, but it was only because he wanted the security of blowing them all up first. I've never heard anything about Reagan wanting to share SDI's technology with the USSR, even if it had ever actually made it to the practical application stage. That hardly makes a peaceable president.
But Reagan did change his mind later on during his presidency, after the several close calls in the 80s and the increasing prominence of anti-nuclear campaigning. There's that story of him watching Threads or The Day After in the White House, one of the two, and being genuinely shaken by it. It was due to both Reagan's growing dislike of the idea of nuclear war and Gorbachev's open, reforming approach to the USSR that also directly led to the Union's collapse in 1991, because Russia has a historically chronic case of awful, incompetent government no matter what they do which finally led to the various talks and treaties.
TL;DR: yes, Reagan eventually helped cool down the Cold War, but only after he'd spent his first few years as president heating the whole affair right back up, and it's foolish to say that he was some peacemaker who really just only wanted to be friends with the Soviets all along.
we need a Superman Returns book with Superman beating the shit out of Batman
Batman would die in one hit if Superman didn't hold back.
He's facing away.
gonna have to explain that one, was saying I don't mind stories with political mesasges etc but dont like the message crap we have. Want well written stories with nuance, good writing etc.dont understand what youre saying TDKR is a political story, ps dont rot brain with youtube, watch a few tubers but prefer to just read on my own
What the frick are you talking about
You are literally moronic.
Usagi Yojimbo
Groo
Conan
Roy Thomas's Conan, the first volume of the Dark Horse series, and the French comics are all pretty top tier.
I'd put King Conan by Truman/Giorello up there too
“>” In absence of the desire for your own country above the waves of an inland sea so if I cannot have Elysium I Shall Raise Hades! Into the world of the vitally living! Rise my soldiers!!
None. You've become so infected with /misc/brain that you can't see straight anymore. And any decent story is going to come with its share of conflicts and meaningful stances, which your addled brain is going to interpret as being political sided.
Go back to your social media safe spaces where you can only see specially tailored political messages and pretend like that is "unbiased" media.
>And any decent story is going to come with its share of conflicts and meaningful stances
This! Making every single character a gay, race swapping them, making them lecture the reader about pronouns, hiring a crypto Islamic extremist writer who puts secret Islamist messages in the comics, and creating superhero’s like “The Snowflake” are all really cool and interesting and only a crazy chud wouldn’t think so!
>If you don’t accept our Marxist pozzed brainwashing, you’re a le Nazi
I watched a clip of Joe Rogan explaining how there are people who live in spaces so leftist that anyone who disagrees with them are labeled Nazis. I guess you live in that kind of area too huh?
dkr is woke garbage
>le regan bad
frick off
What do you mean by the message anon?
The Dark Knight Returns sucks and there's a whole arc where the president tries to kill batman or some shit so I don't see how it isn't "political".
Also RoboCop 2 kinda sucks. Frank Millar sucks in general.
>I don't see how it isn't "political".
Read OP's post again.
Pretty much most of everything before 2012.
Take the eurocomics pill bro.
I love this one I read like 10 years ago or more and I love it.
You love this one You read like 10 years ago or more and You love it.
How come you misogynist guys actually read comics?