Sometimes an actor manages to portray an established character so well, they basically become the definitive version of that character. Pictured are three examples for strong contenders in that vein, and Patrick Stewart's Xavier comes to mind too.
Some exceptions:
>Heath Ledger's Joker is great, but he isn't THE Joker, but a version of him, so something like that doesn't count.
>Kevin Conroy is the official voice of Batman for all time as far as I'm concerned, and an argument can certainly be made for Mark Hamill as the Joker too, but as it's just voice work I'm not sure that should count.
Any other portrayals that Cinemaphile would consider to be definitive? Which do you think is the GOAT in this regard? I think my vote would have to be for RDJ as Tony Stark, but I'm interested to see what others might come up.
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Christopher Reeves as Superman, but especially his performance as Clark. Cannot be topped.
>Reeves
Just Reeve and not George Reeves.
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I think you're a Marvelgay
DC portrayals are a diamond dozen. By the time you are 50 there will have been a score of Batmen, all thinly written brooders with parent murder flashbacks.
>diamond dozen
seriously?
I'm super-cereal.
newbie
To play doubles advocate, he's right and you're wrong.
it's a doggy dog world, you'll never make it if you keep getting butthurt over typos
What's with the tribalism? Did you actually read the post or did you only have the attention span to look at the pretty colours? Maybe if DC didn't so consistently drop the ball with its movies, the best examples for my question wouldn't all be in Marvel?
That anon is a moviegay casual. No one who reads comics is a corporate gay because comic fans know how shit both can and have been.
Yes.
What's this samegays problem?
Abhorrent tourist!
Thanks for outing yourself btw - it's one thing for samegay anons to think a quick edit somehow proves a point, but quite another for them to frick up as hard as you did and actually leave the edit as obvious as you did.
You are lying to the people of Cinemaphile , you are literally THE lowest of the low.
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I don't know what you're trying to achieve, or what the russian is all about, but the only logical thing I can think of is that you're so simple you don't understand how I knew, and while part of me doesn't want to tell you, I'll humour you at least partially.
See this? Those little lines are where you fricked up cutting out the (You)s. So when your pathetic troll ass gets called out next time and you try to doctor an image to 'prove' you weren't samegayging like the monumental loser you are, you'll know to look out for that.
Of course, that doesn't tell you how I knew you were samegayging even before your crappy edit, but that would be far FAR too technical for the likes of you. Rest assured when you're shitting up a thread like you tried to here, most oldgays know it's all you, and it's why for the most part you're largely ignored across the site.
Given you spend your free time trying to shit up threads on Cinemaphile, I strongly suggest you get a better hobby, like literally anything else. Maybe if you spent more time interacting with real people in the real world, you'd be a less shitty person.
You aren't even funny at this point.
At very least 3 people know you are either complete moron or pathetic liar.
Your original post, with the image, with the lines, is still there for anyone to see. That's on you. Name-calling won't save you.
0 name calling ,just facts.Again, THREE people here KNOW you are full of shit.
Strange how they haven't spoken up, or rather I should say I'm surprised you haven't pretended to be one of them.
Tell you what, as you seem to be some kind of last word freak waiting an hour at a time hoping I've gone offline, I'll cut you a deal - explain the edit lines, and I'll let you have the last word.
Cliche answer but picrelated.
Only downside is that they focus too much on the "I WANT PHOTOS OF SPIDER-MAN" side of him.
Perlman Hellboy
Roark Marv
Stewart Xavier
Dafoe Green Goblin
Leguizamo Clown
Carrey Mask
Evans Captain America
These would all be insanely hard to recast.
Snipes Blade is pretty high up there too.
>Perlman Hellboy
No. Looks and sounds fine, but the characterisation is too off to be definitive
>Any other portrayals that Cinemaphile would consider to be definitive?
Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin. Vincent D'Orofino plays a good Wilson Fisk, but MCD was a superior Kingpin.
>Stewart Xavier
Just Captain Picard but in a wheelchair. Anybody could do Xavier better.
>Dafoe Green Goblin
Not the definitive Gobby, but Dafoe owns it in both movies that he's in.
I can tell you're like 16. RDJ was fine, but someone can definitely do a better Tony. I like the animated version better.
Wolverine is great, iconic, but once again he was just the first and I think someone else can do it as well.
Deadpool is a good fit, but he was Ryan Reynolds-like before they cast him.
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Comics Tony Stark is a dull industrialist that would have been another forgettable Batman.
RDjr sold him as a wienery butthole that tent-poled an entire multibillion dollar franchise.
He may not be YOUR Tony Stark, but he's the rest of the world's Tony Stark.
Tony's always been wienery read more comics
Tony was a srs bsns character for 95% of his run.
Serious doesn't he mean he wasn't wienery or had a lighter side. Movies just turn traits up to 11.
You cannot find a page pre-MCU where Tony Stark is acting anything like MCU Tony Stark, so shut the frick up.
>Shut the frick up
No
>You cannot find a page Pre-MCU where Tiny is acting like MCU Tony
I can't because I haven't actively read Iron man comics in fifteen years, but they exist. MCU just has an exaggerated and memey sense of humor and characters so you personally can't pick up on subtle characterization in older comics, but it's there.
>I have nothing
Yes, I know. Yet for some reason you continue to prattle on.
I don't need anything because anyone who's read iron man pre MCU knows what I'm talking about. I doubt you even read comics.
Don't feed the troll anon, we all know.
It's pretty remarkable that the most people still see him as the definitive live-action Barry Allen despite him being from a CW show and there being a movie version with much broader exposure.
The movie version is laughably shit.
And he's not any more definitive than any of the teevee Supermen, he's just the least rubbish Flash that's been used on teevee. He could be (decently) recast in a heartbeat.
He's done a great job making me feel for the character. Seasons 1-3 are still the best to date, and Grants performance when Henry is telling Barry "we won't be afraid of the man in the yellow suit anymore" was magnificent to me. Absolute tear jerker, so Grant gave good heart to Barry.
Probably obvious but Macguire as Peter Parker/Spider-Man. I'd say Garfield as Spider-Man, but while his Spidey was more 2d jokey jokester and quippy, he didn't have the presence or depth Macguire's did since Tobey played an older Spidey even by the end of the first movie who was already more experienced than Garfield's Spidey, and so the character was taken more seriously. Maguire's Spidey was heroic, Garfield's Spidey is surface level Spidey.
On Spidey, I'd say Josh Keaton is THE best Spider-Man VA of all time, with a very, very close second being Christopher Daniel Barnes. Both as Peter Parker, it's incredibly hard to choose.
Keaton has the soul of the character down and CDB does too, but CDB also has that matured weight in his delivery that would make him perfect for an older or more serious Spidey. Keaton does a great older Spidey in Edge of Time, but CDB's huskier, darker voice is better for it. Very hard choice.
But Tobey has shit bants, basically zero agility so all his fights come down to slug fests and no smarts beyond characters telling each other how he's totally the smartest guy they know. He's objectively a terrible Spider-Man and he's only the definitive version for people who had never read or seen anything Spider-Man related before his movie.
Tobey is only the favorite Spidey of Anons who were in grade school when those movies released.
Tobey's banter is bad, but he has the HEROISM of Spider-Man done much better. That's why I said Garfield is surface level, because Spidey is more than his banter and his unserious joking but normies don't know or care about that. For them it's literally pic related. Garfield's Spidey is better at it than Tobey's Spider-Man, no question, but it's still not the most important aspect of the character.
Tobey's was more respectable and respected in both how he acts and is portrayed. His slugfest still had weight and power, showing this is a man duking it out. His reception to the world shows him as an icon, more than just a man, who stands stall above it all as someone people look up to for hope and safety, which is then juxtaposed by Tobey's very Clark Kent-esque, mild mannered take on Peter.
As far as driving home that Spider-Man is amazing, that he's a super hero, Tobey's Spidey did a far better job and I think that far outweighs the flanderization of Spider-Man constantly having to banter because that's all his character revolves around.
>He's objectively a terrible Spider-Man and he's only the definitive version for people who had never read or seen anything Spider-Man related before his movie.
We'll have to disagree on that. I have a great passion for the character and have since I was four, and I think his performance as Spider-Man pays more respect to more aspects of the character outside of banter.
Only tourists that never saw these characters before watching movies or cartoons can actually write something like this drivel
Tom HIddleston's Loki
Good shout, he feels pretty irreplaceable, and I guess that's what this really comes down to. Trying to imagine anyone else as Loki, Wolverine, Stark, just feels impossible. I can't think of a DC character I feel that way about, do they just suck at casting?
The don't write nuanced or interesting leading roles for DC heroes anymore. Reeves was the last person who really tried to project himself as a compelling Superman. Batman is just a foil for LE WACKY supervillains. I don't know what they expected from Gadot Wonder Woman.
Remember, this is the studio that looked at John Constantine and thought "Keanu Reeves is a perfect fit for that guy!"
Ironically, Constantine is probably the most underrated movie DC ever put out, and Keanu actually does a reasonable job (despite a few obvious issues)
Friendly reminder that Heath Ledger was in a movie that managed to be more Hellblazer-like than Constantine. He's still the closet we've got to John in movies.
John needed to be a scuzzy charmer, Keanu cannot into charm.
>I don't know what they expected from Gadot Wonder Woman.
Israeli propaganda.
they have in the recent years. but the first movie Superman is still the most iconic.
As for the newest DC heroes, i guess Harley Quinn? Also Bale is probably what most people think when you talk about Batman
I've followed Iron Man comics since the mid 70's, and aside from the bit of banter that EVERY comic book character engages in, Tony Stark was a pretty unremarkable protagonist.
MCU Tony Stark is practically a Spider-Man-tier snark artist. Comic Tony has never been that far up his own butthole pre MCU.
wienery? Yes.
Debonair? Occasionally.
Smug? Yep.
But he was never the spoiled man-brat of the MCU.
Slight non-Cinemaphile answer: Wilder's Wonka. He's different from the book version, and every adaptation since has just been trying to capture his energy.
Absolutely god-tier.
While probing the edges, I would add pretty much the entire cast of the LOTR movies.
>Entire cast of LOTR
Lol No. Even if you're being lenient someone who's read the books would still exclude Frodo and Gimli
This movie created the character. I don't why they bought the rights for such a niche character. They could have gotten away with basically making the same movie with a different title.
Same with Men in Black.
People don't think about it often, but Chris Evans as Cap is pretty iconic. If RDJ coming back would have a reaction more or less on par with Maguire's return then Evans would have a similar reaction to the one people had with Hugh.
Evans Cap is proof that you can sell Superman if you really put heart into it.
They took a man who wears a flag on his chest and runs around pranging people with a big ol' shield with a star on it, and they made him one of the most beloved characters IN THE WORLD. Not just in America, the entire frigging globe. That's a fricking achievement right there.
Chris Evans Captain America. Reb Brown's was memeworthy with his dollar store toy shield and motorcycle helmet, and Salinger's Cap had probably the most accurate attempt at his comic costume despite the rubber ears as well as the whole stealing cars bit, but Evans Cap exploded into popularity the way the other two didn't, and proved that characters that legitimately fight for good without any layers of irony and cynicism or tragic backstory and motivated by pain can still be likeable in an era where that's generally seen as too corny, especially since he has 'America' in his name working against him with a good portion of the world.
Captain America's popularity says more about how DC has fricked up with Superman. There's really no excuse at this point with how badly they fumbled that.
Wholly agreed on that, it's amazing how they made a boy scout with an American flag wrapped around him into one of the world's most popular heroes in this day and age.
Europeen here, I liked Cap even before the movies even though I never read that many comics with him, for many of the same reasons I like Superman. They fight for and embody "The American Way" only in the sense that they're the best parts of America that's actually hopeful, not the seedy underbelly that is the real history of slavery, illegal experiments on their own populace and CIA intervention in overthrowing democracies etc. He's got enough of that image that it's easy to imagine he'd change America for the better if he was real. I remember thinking it was fricking ridiculous that they expected there to be an ambiguity over who you should back in Civil War, especially after Maria Hill tried to get Cap to enforce a law that hadn't been enacted yet and then immediately tried to arrest him for not following illegal orders. Cap was obviously morally in the right the whole time, it was just ironic that he was wearing the American flag while being right in fighting against the government.
Those movies will forever be the definitive version of those characters.
One of the great castings of all time.
pure kino
Jack Nicholson was a great bronze age Joker
The kids are all about Hot Topic Joker now.
Really they'll eat any flavor of Joker.
Doesn't change my point
>Really they'll eat any flavor of Joker.
Not really, it is David Ayer's creativity always will be supreme.
Yeah, I'll just wait til any Joker is rejected.
Even DAMAGED Joker propelled that shitshow to 750 million.
Such a perfect casting that he had the mantle of voice actor handed down to him as well. It's completely futile to try and cast anyone else as Shaggy.
There's like two
These days I actually hate the Xmen films because they're just a monumental waste of maybe some of the best casting ever
To be fair, towards the end Fox was making them like they hated the franchise too.
I don't think any of them are really good, they're just decent and carried hard by the casting
I clapped and sharted at his cameo in The Marvels
I stopped watching marvel films years ago so I didn't know
Is he CGI? Since no one watched this one, the only image I could find was a grainy photo
He won't even wear fancy shoes for the Frasier sequel series, walking around in illusion-shattering sneakers instead, so there was no way they'd get him into hours of make-up for a short cameo.
Cool nobody mentioned Toad yet. Should mention that for Toad the bar isn't set that high. Really this is one of those performances that didn't need to go as hard as it did. I heard that originally Toad was supposed to be saying toad facts in the battle (why storm says the line "what happens to a toad get struck by lightning") he solo the X-Men team which as a kid made me a fan.
DeVito's Penguin
Maybe if you've only watched TAS. Every other incarnation tries to make him a freak like DeVito, but it never feels right if he isn't part of high society with his monocle and cigarette holder.
>Maybe if you've only watched TAS
But in TAS he's all gentlemanly and cultured-like
He's even voiced by Paul Williams to boot.
He only shared the deformed appearance of Batman Returns's penguin, and they got rid of that later
Penguin should be a freak who is desperately trying to act cultured and fit in but never manages
>Penguin should be a freak
No.
OP here, feels like a lot of people in this thread have kinda missed the point.
It's not "what are the definitive versions of every character?"
It's "what character portrayals are so iconic and irreplaceable the character and actor are now practically inseparable and recasting the role will be practically impossible?"
Many of the suggestions in this thread are great portrayals, but not at that level. No version of Spiderman falls into the latter unless you're wearing nostalgia goggles.
I'd say that besides the three in the OP image, the only ones that have come up in the thread on that level are JK Simmons JJJ, and Hiddleson's Loki.
BTAS Mr Freeze
Better than Ryan Reynolds, and I don't hate Ryan Reynolds like everyone else does.
All of these I'd accept that the performance throughout the entire movie or franchise may leave something or quite a lot to be desired but as far as individual scenes they nail it.
This is what I want from any Daredevil live action. It's better than the Netflix "Hallways" in my opinion.
Wolverine best performance of the character I wish and believe they could have done this for all the movies.
I thought this was a great depiction of Bruce Banner, mostly just this part. Banner was a strangely intimidating and cunning character. I really like this scene and the attitude of Banner and just the threat of the Hulk represents and how they handled that.
You accidentally the same link 5 times bro
Jesus I didn't think there were really people that pathetic in the world, even on Cinemaphile.
I'm a fricking moron, sorry
Thanks for pointing it out
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Logan
Deadpool
Banner
Nolan is just a phenomenal Deadpool
If Reynolds wasn't such a huge driving force for the films, I think he could work as a voice with some good stuntman as the body
People truly consider Jackman the definitive Logan/Wolverine or it's just nostalgia goggles?
I think 90% of normies would complain if they cast some really short guy like Daniel Radcliffe to play Wolverine in the new MCU, just because Jackman has imprinted the idea that Wolverine should be a huge jacked man. They'd talk about not being able to take him serious because Colossus and even Cyclops is towering over him and how silly it is that the little guy gets thrown by the big guy etc.
How can the only person who has portrayed a character be the definitive version if we've never seen someone else ?
See
Mainly you can tell if the actor did an iconic job because it’s so popular, the comic version warps to try and mimic the film version. Beyond simple synergy.
Wesley Snipes Blade for example. It’s funny to think about how he was a British black guy who had an Afro and jive talked before the blade movie.
Then again the blade comics were never successful so it was easy to overpower them with a good movie version
I don’t know if he’s technically supposed to still have a British accent in tne comic but if he does they seem to just not mention it, because it’s not like you can tell as a reader unless they write it obviously anyway
The only time when it should have mattered would be in the 70s during the blaxploitation peak, but that ship has long sailed. It didn't register for all the time Blade existed in comic books, and it didn't register when Blade had his only animated appearance role in the 90's Spider-Man cartoon.
>Conroy as Batman
>Hamill and DiMaggio as Joker
>Stewart as Xavier
>McKellen and Fassbender as Magneto
>Evans as Cap
How fricking moronic are you?
You tell me
>OP states voice actors don't count
>Whole thread is about DEFINITIVE iconic versions, and you post multiple iterations of a character
>Fricking DiMaggio as a definitive Joker
Honestly it's a miracle you can even use a computer without electrocuting yourself.
Anything else, vegana?
Where are the screen here?