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Who is going to win the Athrunbowl?
Shinn.
those proportions are really wonky.
Me.
wtf is this shit, I want Cagalli front and center
Yeah Cagalli should be spread eagle and covered in oil.
She isn't even a pilot, and considering the VA change, I really wouldn't expect she will get a big role.
nobody I hope, the girls deserve better than that pointless chucklefrick
Meyrin.
The La Flaga shota in an Orb politicians vest is there for a good reason.
Kira. Kira always wins.
The more fertile option. Both at the same time.
I still love Shinn and Luna are the only ones smiling in that picture while everyone else isn't.
Luna dies, Athrun and Kira kill each other ala Char and Amuro, Shinn and Cagalli end up together.
I’m totally fine with this ending.
Let Kira and Athrun’s mistakes catch up to them.
What a shitty title
Why can't they draw normal lips?
Because in SEED and Destiny the teenaged boys look like girls, and the teenaged girls are almost always useless
They took the first part personally and added a bandaid to make the girls stand out.
Lips seems fine to me, perfect for providing lip service to her men.
Well, at least it isn't slurpza
Oh nooooo, Assrunbros
Cagalli belongs to Sho Ta Flaga
Oh no, Athrun will have to make do with one of the dozen pink haired bawds that also orbit him
>artist kept the proportions
I thought the 105 Dagger never appeared in Destiny, but it did. There's one with a Jet Striker during the battle in Heaven's Base.
There's also this handful in the background, equipped with Launcher packs.
There's also the Slaughter Dagger from Stargazer, which is the same model, except with a darker coat of pain.
The Battle of Heaven's base really should have been 2 episodes long. Just like the Battle of Orb. It's so frustrating to see all this detail never get showcased.
Plus it was kind of ridiculous that ZAFT could steamroll the base even though they lost most of their invasion force when Heaven's base fired their super weapon and blew up all the ZAFT drop pods. Even IF ZAFT needed to win for story reasons, it should have been more of a struggle.
Not to defend the writing, but at that point it seems they just wanted the new nuke powered suits to be such game changers that only they really mattered. You don't have to worry about tactics or strategy when your two hero units beat the enemy's two hero units.
That's precisely the point. The whole thing was there to showcase how absurdly powerful Destiny and Legend are supposed to be. Just have a bunch of Destroys, a giant monstrosity that even gave the Freedom a hard time the first time around blasted with zero effort. Even calling it a "battle" is a stretch.
If you want to get analytical about it (not recommended), the idea there should've been that there is no point whatsoever on having whole armies of mobile suits anymore. To defeat whatever remains of Logos, Durandal only needs the Minerva and its two super-special Gundams to fully dominate any battlefield.
What was the point of the EA stealing the ZAFT Gundams at the start of Destiny if the EA never did anything with them? The EA didn't make new suits based on those designs. They just made more Destroy Gundams.
I think you can chalk this one up on "we really didn't have any plot planned after Episode 13".
After Break The World, they bring the Freedom back in one piece, the old cast steals half the episodes, the writing does a Zeta-infused rethread of the first SEED and, eventually, when they remember about the Girty Lue, it's for it to be destroyed.
By all accounts, the Girty Lue is a huge downgrade from the Archangel-class:
>no transatmospheric capabilities
>no Lohengrin positron blasters
>no railguns
All it does better is adding Mirage Colloid.
Is that EIGHT Gottfried cannons In the front? You gotta admit that a frontal barrage from that would devastating to any ship.
Meanwhile it only takes 2 to destroy a Nazca-class. Did the EA just not care about functionality anymore once they had MS tech in Destiny?
I think the Archangel Class was simply a test bed to try out a bunch of different technologies.
EA probably realized that
-Lohengrins are too much of an energy hog and too costly to mass produce.
-Valiant railgun cannons didn't perform as expected.
-And if they cut out the atmospheric flight, then the ship is cheaper to mass produce.
Only the Gottfried cannons had the best value to performance cost. The other weapons were too costly or finicky.
But Being able to cloak a ship with Mirage Colloid is way too much of a game changer to ignore. The element of surprise matters a lot.
So the EA kept the laminated armor, the carrier MS capacity, the Gottfried cannons, replaced the valiant cannons with the ability to use external fuel tanks, and added the mirage colloid to the whole ship. Then limited mass produced the ship.
Twelve, actually. There are two twin batteries we aren't seeing from that angle.
I am probably thinking too deeply on this, but I think an important question to ask if whether it was actually meant to be as powerful as the Archangel. It wasn't made to fight in war, or to be a deterrent like the Archangel and Minerva are. Rather, Girty Lue was made to start a war - its design emphasis on forward-facing weaponry reflects a "first strike" purpose. It trades the anti-fortress positron cannons and physical weapons like the Valiants/Isolde* for pure beam cannons which are arguably more effective against a typical mobile suit or ship. It also has a shit ton of missile launchers which again a more anti-ship or anti-ms.
*Physical guns like the Valiants/Isolde have their place. The Valiants can fire underwater, while the Isolde can fire special shells like the jamming ones used during Angel Down.
Worth noting the Archangel was a collaberation between the EA/Orb, hence why its bridge looks like an Izumo while the Girty-Lue class, developed solely by the EA, has a bridge which looks like an Agamemnon-class ship.
>Valiant railgun cannons didn't perform as expected.
Another potential reason is that the Valiants take up a lot more space than the Gottfrieds, and one of their most crucial advantages is being able to fire underwater, which is pretty moot for a ship that cannot enter the atmosphere.
Nevertheless, it is quite telling that we didn't see the EA make more of them during the war once they went full mask-off by fielding stolen 2nd stage machines.
>Worth noting the Archangel was a collaboration between the EA/Orb, hence why its bridge looks like an Izumo while the Girty-Lue class, developed solely by the EA, has a bridge which looks like an Agamemnon-class ship.
I don't how how that's relevant, considering the Dominion was built on Ptolemaus Base.
>and one of their most crucial advantages is being able to fire underwater, which is pretty moot for a ship that cannot enter the atmosphere.
The Archangel was fitted with submarine capabilities after the first war.
Yes and that made the Valiants even more of an asset for AA because it was their one major weapon that could fire underwater, but they could also fire surface to water and the only weapon AA had to do that which would be useful for fighting against Zaft subs and Goohn's (although in that actual episode they needed to barrel roll with the beam guns in the end). Girty Lue, which is never going to operate where there's water because it's space only doesn't need them.
>I don't how how that's relevant
Because you're dumb as bricks
>considering the Dominion was built on Ptolemaus Base.
Built, yes, using an existing design that was a collaboration with Orb. The Dominion only had slight refits to the sensor arrays on its bridge tower and rear fins.
>The Archangel was fitted with submarine capabilities after the first war.
Orthogonal to the point; see
You can't fire beams underwater at least beyond a few meters. While its true Murrue used the "barrel roll" trick in SEED to nail some ZAFT MS with the Gottfrieds this only worked/was necessary because
>Her crew were shit at aiming the Valiants
>The Goohns were at the water's surface.
Hence why in Destiny when Kira tagged Auel he used the Freedom's railguns despite the Abyss being completely submerged. Same principle at play.
That's true, but by the time Dardanelles and Crete roll around the 3 stolen 2nd stage machines are being deployed alongside regular EA forces. Then they're mask off - the EA raided Armory One, it wasn't some splinter group, so they could've had the Girty Lue dominating the space battles for the EA, even if by cameo.
Also, lol at Gundam Wiki. I actually tried to look up if there were further technical differences between the Archangel and Dominion when writing this post and saw this gem:
>Both ships fought against one another at the Battle of Mendel, with the outcome being a stalemate and the Dominion retreating to the lunar base.
Kids, this is what we call "Lie by omission".
To call it a stalemate is disingenuous - Natarle kicked Murrue's ass (see webm related) and after the fact when Azrael complemented her on it shrugged it off as a basic exercise of tactics.
The Dominion retreated from that fight without substantial damage to its own weapons systems because
>Kusanagi broke free, so they were outnumbered ship-to-ship
>The Druggies undermined each other as pilots and had worse (battery-powered) machines.
>ZAFT was in the area adding an element of uncertainty.
But in terms of prowess Captaining a ship in battle Natarle was clearly superior to Murrue.
It's a stalemate in that in the end neither ship was destroyed, and despite AA losing several of it's weapons it was still able to hang into the fight. It being a forgone conclusion that Natarle would have won if they kept fighting isn't a definite either. In the final battle until Azrael goes full lunatic AA and Dominion are going head to head and are pretty evenly matched both ships getting damage on each other.
>It's a stalemate
Its still lie by omission. When you watch that scene, what comes off as the more important take away? Like, if you had to pick between the following two statements to keep, which one do you:
>Dominion backed off due to the Druggies fricking up/running low on power
I omit the 2 other reasons but one of the formal reasons Natarle gives is that their machines are low on power, which we've seen before.
>Natarle getting a significant upper hand on Murrue, damaging the Archangel's main weapons.
This is more important/novel as it focuses on the first time the Archangel fought another ship like it, and the first battle between the two individuals whoever Captained Archangel-class ships. Murrue and Natarle had a tenuous relationship on the Archangel. Also, the EA basically left everyone EXCEPT Natarle and Mwu to die at Alaska, so this scene exemplifies that she could walk the walk, not just talk the talk.
>In the final battle until Azrael goes full lunatic AA and Dominion are going head to head and are pretty evenly matched both ships getting damage on each other.
Yes. Azrael is the key here. He's being a total dipshit by waving a gun around and playing backseat driver to Natarle so of course that's going to distract her, in addition to her own disagreements on how to handle the war at that moment (she wanted to stop GENESIS) so that gave Murrue an advantage.
Credit to Durandal: When the Minerva launched he didn't get in Talia's face and tell her how to do her job; rather he focused on playing smirking games with Athrun, lol.
>in addition to her own disagreements on how to handle the war at that moment (she wanted to stop GENESIS)
Ahem.
Now rewind to before the Archangel and Dominion get into a fight where she protests "we have to stop that weapon".
Your picture is her literally attempting to rationalize/come to terms with the consequences of her orders.
>the EA basically left everyone EXCEPT Natarle and Mwu to die at Alaska
Because of the Kira affair, the EA top brass in Alaska thought the Archangel's crew was too emotionally compromised with Coordinators to be bothered a warning. Natarle was loyal enough to the armed forces, and Mwu is the Hawk of Endymion.
They never even had an observer aboard the Archangel, how in the frick would top brass have complete understanding and know such things? For all they know they could have been slave-driving Kira and using coercion, gaslighting, hostage-taking, the works to get Kira on their side. They wouldn't even be the first unit in the Alliance to use coordinators for their own gain.
>gaslighting
STOP USING THAT FRICKING TUMBLR WORD, GODDAMNIT!
Frick no, it's a great tool for triggering people and throwing them off their game. It gets people even more mad than calling a Black person a Black person.
Stop trying to gaslight us into thinking its a tumblr word.
You just come off as coping and seething individual who has yet to dilate.
Meanwhile, use of the word "gaslight" is quite based. Kino even, at times.
>They never even had an observer aboard the Archangel, how in the frick would top brass have complete understanding and know such things?
The court martial in Alaska makes it quite clear that Murrue and later the Archangel's crew were directly at fault for aiding and abetting a Coordinator in their ranks, plus the wake of destruction in the ship's metaphorical wake (Heliopolis, Artemis, the 8th Fleet, the loss of the Strike).
That's all they need to know to mistrust them. As far as Sutherland is concerned, the only thing they should've done with Kira is put a bullet through his skull.
>The court martial in Alaska makes it quite clear that Murrue and later the Archangel's crew were directly at fault for aiding and abetting a Coordinator in their ranks, plus the wake of destruction in the ship's metaphorical wake (Heliopolis, Artemis, the 8th Fleet, the loss of the Strike).
That doesn't make any sense. EA had an treaty with the nation of Orb. They even built ships and mobile suits together. Orb is filled with a mix or coordinators and naturals who want to stay out of the war and be neutral. The EA knows this. Kira was an Orb citizen and lived in a neutral Colony owned and operated by Orb. Why would the EA condemn the Archangel crew over Kira? He wasn't ZAFT. He's Orb.
>That doesn't make any sense. EA had an treaty with the nation of Orb. They even built ships and mobile suits together.
Because they started a war with "the coordinator nation" (PLANTs) and were starting to lose, so instead they partnered with "a nation that has coordinators" (Orb) in an underhanded manner to try and even the field.
You might think those at the top of the EA would have the self-awareness to realize how hypocritical such an action is, and how it is a basic admittance that yes, coordinators are superior to naturals in technical respects, but you'd be wrong. It would only serve to fuel their own prejudices and likely if the EA destroyed the PLANTs, other coordinator populations would be next.
>EA had an treaty with the nation of Orb.
No, a visionary commander made a clandestine arrangement with Orb to develop mobile suits, against the top brass' wishes. From the official timeline:
>Captain Halberton of the Atlantic Federation's 4th Fleet (which will later become the 8th Fleet of the Earth Alliance) recognizes the mobile suit's effectiveness in space combat, and proposes the development of the "G series." Halberton's proposal is rejected by his superiors, but some of them provide assistance so that the project can proceed in secrecy.
>The EA knows this. Kira was an Orb citizen and lived in a neutral Colony owned and operated by Orb. Why would the EA condemn the Archangel crew over Kira? He wasn't ZAFT. He's Orb.
They know that and they don't care. Sutherland is explicit about the fact that their fight is against Coordinators as a race, rather than a narrow war against ZAFT's forces. That's why they nuked a civilian colony and later invaded Orb.
Frick me, did you even watch the show? Or are you depending on other people giving you captures?
In Destiny, they are explicit about their dislike of mobile suits as combat vehicles, preferring to use MAs like the Zamza-Zah and Gells-Ghe.
>In Destiny, they are explicit about their dislike of mobile suits
I’m aware of the comment made by some oaf of an EA commander/admiral/whatever. Same guy who calls Daggers “knockoffs” IIRC.
Talking just about SEED on this matter.
>I’m aware of the comment made by some oaf of an EA commander/admiral/whatever.
In all likelihood, it was a common sentiment among the EA officers.
>Talking just about SEED on this matter.
Same point remains. Blue Cosmos wants to exterminate all Coordinators. Sutherland didn't care about Kira's age, nationality or the fact that he was a civilian. By the same logic, the Archangel's crew is immediately suspect for willingly dealing with an enemy.
>In all likelihood, it was a common sentiment among the EA officers.
Do you have any evidence to back this up or is it just another extrapolation you've pulled out of your ass and expect us to buy?
tbh when I watch that scene it sounds like the EA Commander/Admiral/whatever is trying to sound smart ahead of the deployment of the Zamza-zah, which they expected to BTFO the Minerva's MS compliment and sink the ship itself.
Which, to be fair, but for Shinn's SEED factor, was a plausible, arguably likely outcome.
Except, as is typical in gundam, the antagonist's competence rarely exceeds their arrogance.
>Do you have any evidence to back this up or is it just another extrapolation you've pulled out of your ass and expect us to buy?
Destiny episode 12:
>It may be mere favoritism, but I believe that the mainstay of the future will be mobile armors like this one, rather than 'katombo'-like mobile suits made in imitation of ZAFT.
It's a matter of pride. The anti-Coordinator fanatics in the EA were resentful of the fact that they ultimately had to go with a ZAFT concept like Mobile Suits. It's obvious when they put resources into high-spec machines such as the Exus, Zamza-Zah, Gells-Ghe and finally the ultimate Mobile Armor: Destroy.
It especially probably doesn't help that a Coordinator will always be a better fit for a mobile suit than a natural, to the point of natural's needing either enhancements or lots more OS assistance to even use one unless you have Da Flaga tier genes.
>>It may be mere favoritism, but I believe that the mainstay of the future will be mobile armors like this one, rather than 'katombo'-like mobile suits made in imitation of ZAFT.
The claim you are being asked to substantiate was whether that was "common sentiment among the EA officers", anon. Simply repeating the original officer's statement of preface is not evidence that substantiates your claim.
>finally the ultimate Mobile Armor: Destroy
Destroys are Mobile Suits per the word of our (the Archangel's) almighty lord and saviour, Arnold Neumann.
I honestly don't get the point of that scene. What difference does it make on the ground if the Destroy is a mobile suit? It had already trampled over half of Eastern Europe by then. Does it make it more dangerous than it was before?
Nah, its a flex.
Destroy in MA mode is like a souped-up Big Zam, which is from 0079. But we're in Destiny, which is supposed to be a rehash of Zeta, so there's a series mismatch.
So in addition to appearing like the Big Zam at first, it transforms into SEED's equivalent of the Psycho Gundam by using the Big Zam head/body to fufill SEED's theme of having oversized backpacks.
I accept your concession.
Anon, throw away scenes like that exist to give a feel of common sentiment. We can't take polling of fictional characters, which seems to be what you're asking for.
You can't blame them too much, those mobile armors performed very well, they just had a critical weakness against melee. If the EA had had a strong, manueverable mobile suit corps to back those things up, they would have dominated the battlefield. I guess you could say the Windam was that, but they never performed well in show, hard to say in universe whether that's an issue with pilots or specs.
>but they never performed well in show, hard to say in universe whether that's an issue with pilots or specs.
On paper, the Windam is an excellent machine. In practice, however, they perform worse than the Leo.
I'd say that the real issue is that, other than the fact that they are Coordinators, ZAFT's pilots are much better in every regard than the EA's.
The reason why their forces were cornered in the first war is the sheer amount of losses at JOSH-A, which decimated their pilot corps, compounded with the small number of GuAIZ units against the evenly matched Strike Dagger.
Vanilla Strike Daggers weren't actually better than GuAIZs; their advantage was having compact beam weapons and greater mass-production, and running off a Kira-optimized Natural OS that actually improved their piloting skill to match with ZAFT's average pilot (in fact, it's mentioned that a number of pre-programmed auto-movements were included to help improve response times to incoming attacks).
The 105s on the other hand, were very much the GuAIZ's equal given the added expense of full Striker pack compatibility and Laminated armor giving them built-in resistance to few direct beam strikes, and the Duel Daggers with the Fortressa Shroud were also slightly above that of stock Strike Daggers.
It's just that the EA couldn't afford to sufficiently mass-produce the 105s due to the laminated armor cost, eventually leading to the Dagger L that was basically a mix of the S.Dagger and 105 Dagger, having backpack compatibility with Striker packs, but omitting the laminated armor and shoulder pack capability.
The Windam was a further design evolution that basically integrated additional thrusters into the legs and shoulders, and a tweaked foot design for better operation in rougher terrain. It's stated to basically be on par with a Kira-piloted Strike given the increased range of motion and responsiveness, minus the shoulder mounts and PSA, but that means it's still technically a bit behind the performance levels of the ZAFT's ZAKUs.
>Vanilla Strike Daggers weren't actually better than GuAIZs
I didn't say "better". I said "evenly matched". Both models have comparable specs: beam rifle, beam saber, shield.
>Kira-optimized Natural OS
That's the M1, not the Strike Dagger. Kira was never involved in its development. Remember the Strike was a wreck when the Archangel got to Alaska.
The GuAIZ are superior to the Daggers. They have additional weapons in the beam arrestors and more thrusters and verniers in their backpacks for superior maneuverability. The only problem is the GuAIZ were so good most Zaft pilots much of which were rookies because of how many losses they'd taken by that time weren't skilled enough to make use of that superiority
Kira completed the natural-use OS for Orb, not the EA.. unless the lore now says EA stole Orb's natural-use OS. The Strike never made it to JOSH-A and whatever customized changes that were on it were meant for Kira's own use, not for Naturals. The Buster did make it there but the EA didn't even bother to offload the Buster and just left it on the Archangel.
>It's stated to basically be on par with a Kira-piloted Strike
No, not true. The MS Encyclopedia merely says that the Windam "has acquired the same performance as the 1st GAT-X series." It did not mention any particular pilot. A Kira-piloted Strike managed to disable half a dozen ZAKUs in episode 39 and we know for a fact that the ZAKU is supposed to have surpassed the performance of the first GAT-X models.
https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/19018971/#19028383
That's because the Strike Rouge was a GEN 1.5 GAT-X Machine, not a Straight up 1st Gen. It had advantages that the original didn't like TPS and a larger battery.
Strike Rouge only had a vague "power extender" installed, not a larger battery or trans-phase-shift-armor. The power extender had the side effect of turning the PS armor reddish and Kira turned it off for his use anyway. Other than that the backpack was improved. Original only had a slightly better Aile striker, remaster had the newer Ootori striker pack. Ootori let him take down some enemies more stylishly, but he accomplishes the same thing with the Aile Striker in the original.
I like the original scene with the Aile Striker since that actually shows Kira's skill with an inferior mecha
I enjoyed both but the Ootori gave Kira a bit more to use than just the rifle.
should have just mass produced the strike e/strike noir
The AA crew other than Mu and Flay because of their usefulness elsewhere was marked for death specifically because they made nice with a Coordinator and EA wasn't ok with that
>In Destiny, they are explicit about their dislike of mobile suits as combat vehicles, preferring to use MAs like the Zamza-Zah and Gells-Ghe.
I don't think they hate mobile suits. But they were hoping the new. Mobile Armors would be a game changer. The EA brass were looking for a way to overcome ZAFT and thought that massive raw firepower and tankiness would be the solution.
Formations with Mobile Armors surrounded with Mobile Suit escorts to provide cover and keep enemy suits away. If anything the mobile Armors were fine. What failed was that the mobile suit escorts Windams were just so pitiful.
Remember Azrael when attacking Orb pretty much said he was going to attack no matter what Uzumi said and implies it was always part of EA's plan at some point to go after Orb because they had coordinators and they were explicit that they all needed to go. They were just playing nice until until they had total control of everything.
>Kids, this is what we call "Lie by omission".
>To call it a stalemate is disingenuous - Natarle kicked Murrue's ass (see webm related) and after the fact when Azrael complemented her on it shrugged it off as a basic exercise of tactics.
Not fair. Natarle knew the Archangel's strengths and weaknesses. She was the Archangel's CIC Officer, and knew how to exploit any gaps or weaknesses in its defense. It wasn't a brand new unknown Captain Fighting the Archangel. Natarle knew how to hit the Archangel where it hurt.
>Built, yes, using an existing design that was a collaboration with Orb.
If they had the plans and basic layout, what stopped them from elaborating directly from that? ZAFT made a number of direct Strike derivatives without ever having the unit in the metal. Also, if you look at the bow, Girty Lue takes a lot from the Archangel-class already, rather than the standard catapults.
>but by the time Dardanelles and Crete roll around the 3 stolen 2nd stage machines are being deployed alongside regular EA forces
And they're not even using the ship, just a standard carrier.
>If they had the plans and basic layout, what stopped them from elaborating directly from that?
You're asking me to prove a negative. The original blueprint had an Izumo-like bridge and they simply kept it. Its your job to show why they should've changed it, especially since it was a time of war.
>Girty Lue takes a lot from the Archangel-class already
And its bridge, color scheme and body shape takes after the Agamemnon-class, another pure EA development. In fact, its likely a cross between the Agamemnon-class and Archangel-class + Mirage Colloid.
>And they're not even using the ship, just a standard carrier.
???
What does this have to do with my comment? Girty-Lue cannot operate in the atmosphere. Of course Phantom Pain needs a different ship on Earth. But that doesn't stop the EA from deploying it during space battles and giving us cameos of that.
>Not fair.
No its fair. Murrue was the Captain for the same battles, so you'd expect she would also have knowledge of her ship's strengths and weaknesses.
This is like if you gave William Riker an exact copy of the Enterprise-D/E and then told him to face off against Picard in the original Enterprise-D/E - the victor of that battle would determine whose the better combat Captain.
If the XO has more intimate knowledge of how to hurt their own class of ship than the Captain, the Captain is subpar.
Except Picard S3 shows us that if Picard and Riker did duel, Riker would win.
>Except Picard S3 shows us that if Picard and Riker did duel, Riker would win.
I haven't watched Picard (the show) but is this retired Admiral Picard vs. not retired Captain Riker?
And moreover... okay? I liked Riker more than Picard anyway - far less preachy.
>but a good reason would be ease of transition for the crews. We saw the Dominion's getting confused with its systems during training.
More that they were overwhelmed by the orders given by a skilled commander during a simulation. Its clear by the time they got to Mendel that Natarle had whipped them into the shape, so much that they were a match for the AA crew which had been on the ship for months.
>Other than the bridge, the Girty Lue looks nothing like the Agamemnon.
No, the back 2/3 of the ship share design ques from the Agamemnon-class, e.g., area around the bridge is widest, thinning out as you go forward/back until you hit the front 1/3 which is a copy/paste modified Archangel bow. Also the stern narrows to a single "tail" behind the bridge like the Agamemnon while the Archangel has a wider stern-side like the Izumo-class.
>Emphasize that even a secret elite force has to ride on standard equipment while on Earth.
So, nothing to do with my comment.
>Which cameos?
See my original post
>Then they're mask off - the EA raided Armory One, it wasn't some splinter group, so they could've had the Girty Lue dominating the space battles for the EA, even if by cameo.
Picard got them into trouble during eps. 4 by firing torpedoes into an enemy that has portal tech and almost got them killed Thank God Beverly found out that the nebula had a living organism that spewed energy so that they could ride the forward momentum that it produced.
>Its your job to show why they should've changed it
Entirely speculative, but a good reason would be ease of transition for the crews. We saw the Dominion's getting confused with its systems during training.
>body shape takes after the Agamemnon-class,
What? Other than the bridge, the Girty Lue looks nothing like the Agamemnon. The frontal catapults and Gottfrieds are an Archangel-class thing.
>What does this have to do with my comment?
Emphasize that even a secret elite force has to ride on standard equipment while on Earth.
>giving us cameos of that.
Which cameos? The Girty Lue disappears entirely from Destiny for 39 episodes until it's time for Djibril to get vaporized.
Girty Lue classes seem to be used exclusively by Phantom Pain who are a non existent black ops group controlled by LOGOS. So in that respect they definitely weren't designed to be an AA/Minerva "hero" type ship. They were designed to do stuff like raid Zaft bases or civilian lab satellites to steal or destroy stuff, disappear and have the survivors if any unable to positively get an ID that it was EA that attacked them.
It also doubled as an escape ship for Djbril back then, although it failed rather badly because Rey already knew exactly where it was gonna pop out from.
>Nevertheless, it is quite telling that we didn't see the EA make more of them during the war once they went full mask-off by fielding stolen 2nd stage machines.
Another Girty Lue Class was used in Gundam Seed Stargazer. So we at least know more than one were built and are out there.
>After Break The World, they bring the Freedom back in one piece
To be fair it's been 2 years since we last saw it. And the last time we did, the Freedom's main body was actually fairly intact. The only thing that needed repair were the missing limbs and backpack wings. With Orb's resources it'd be easy enough to repair it.
>With Orb's resources it'd be easy enough to repair it.
And breach the treaty in the process, making Orb a rogue nation if anyone found out.
Fixing an old mobile suit and locking it away isn't something the treaty forbids.
The treaty prohibits the military use of NJC technology. That makes the very existence of the Freedom illegal.
Freedom isn't being used by any military's. It's shut down and locked away in a basement. Orb isn't using it as part of their forces.
>Freedom isn't being used by any military's
It doesn't matter. It's still a banned weapon. If a bunch of civilians are building chemical weapons, it's the government's responsibility regardless if and when someone uses them.
>Orb isn't using it as part of their forces.
You said Orb's resources repaired it. You can't have it both ways.
That's another anon. I personally think they just had the Eternal's guys patch it up in the days immediately following the war.
Note: I am playing Devil's Advocate. I feel the way Fukuda/Morosawa wrote the Junius Treaty was such that
>NJC ban is akin to nuke bans from WWII onwards.
>But Kira can still use the Freedom, because Lacus gave it to him and it sells.
>But at the same time heaven forbid the treaty be interpreted in such a way to fault Lacus.
However, note that SEED ended September CE 71 and the Treaty was signed March CE 72 so the Freedom could've been fixed prior to the signing. Moreover, Lacus was shown to have access to a lot of resource backchannels so there's no indication Morganroate (Orb) fixed it.
Sketchy grey zone as to whether Kira's use of the Freedom counts as "military action" by a nation signing the treaty (Orb). Although Cagalli was by his side, he kidnapped her, she was technically a leader in exile, and was shown to hold little tangible authority over Orb's military during their interventions. Add to that the Freedom firing on Orb mobile suits... using the Treaty of Junius against Orb is shaky at best.
Just goes to show the EA nations need to fricking hire better lawyers when negotiating this stuff.
By the time Freedom was reactivated the Treaty was moot because EA had already attempted to Nuke plant and Plant brought out the Neutron Stampeder to counter which is technically a nuclear weapon albeit a defensive one. And Durandal had already started development on Destiny and Legend. By the time Kira uses Freedom again, everyone else had already broken it and the war was on again. The only real question is if keeping it at all in the interim years violated the Treaty which according to the treaty rules should be no since they didn't develop it further and didn't deploy it for military reasons, or really deploy it at all.
Basically. Grunts only mattered when SF and IJ were around to tie up Destiny and Legend. Even then, once Destiny and Legend went down, IJ and Akatsuki destroyed Reqiuem themselves and SF totaled Messiah. The nuclear Gundam's are basically so OP they decide a battle on their own, the only way to stop them is with counter Gundam's and once they win they'll finish the battle themselves.
Blame Fukuda with his "Only a Gundam can beat a Gundam" philosophy with Seed. It makes everyone on the the battle irrelevant the moment a Gundam appears on the field.
>That's precisely the point. The whole thing was there to showcase how absurdly powerful Destiny and Legend are supposed to be. Just have a bunch of Destroys, a giant monstrosity that even gave the Freedom a hard time the first time around blasted with zero effort. Even calling it a "battle" is a stretch.
>If you want to get analytical about it (not recommended), the idea there should've been that there is no point whatsoever on having whole armies of mobile suits anymore. To defeat whatever remains of Logos, Durandal only needs the Minerva and its two super-special Gundams to fully dominate any battlefield.
I have no problem with powerful Gundams playing a part, but it shouldnt be the only deciding factor.
Remember the First Battle of Orb? The country of Orb had 4 powerful Gundams defending Orb (Freedom Justice, Buster Gundam, and Perfect Strike Gundam), and it still wasn't enough to turn the tide. The Earth Alliance sheer numbers just kept pushing forward. The Earth Alliance didn't even look that worried fighting against Gundams. Their attitude was, "oh this will take slightly longer than anticipated but we still got this no problem"
Why didn't this apply to the Battle of Heaven's base. Why didn't the tidal wave of EA forces and grunts just smash the smaller ZAFT attack force?
Shinn was just that strong.
Also Shinn was just that brutal. Kira and Athrun were in full no kill mode there. I know people debate that, but there's no really none they, in nearly every major fight in Orb they pass up numerous killshots trying to scare the Druggies into backing down which of course wasn't going to happen. Shinn just fricking exterminates everyone on the field, especially by then as he's in full "RAGH THE WORLD SUCKS AND EVERYTHING IS LOGOS/ORB'S FAULT KILL EM ALL" mode
If Kira and Athrun had been that violent in the first battle of Orb they'd have won
>I know people debate that, but there's no really none they, in nearly every major fight in Orb they pass up numerous killshots trying to scare the Druggies into backing down which of course wasn't going to happen.
I don't think they were even trying to scare them: see
. Three examples where Kira and Athrun could've killed all three of those pukes while retreating/low on power/spazzing, but didn't.
I can't agree with this. There no way a wrist beam shield should be able to block those massive beams coming from the Destroy Gundam. The width of the beam is bigger than Destiny Gundam itself. Nope sorry. This is too much of a jump from Season 1.
>The Earth Alliance didn't even look that worried fighting against Gundams. Their attitude was, "oh this will take slightly longer than anticipated but we still got this no problem"
That was Azrael, who was counting on his own trio of overpowered Gundams piloted by the Boosted Men to smash through Orb. You could make the argument that it was a 3 v 2 fight, with two older-generation Gundams thrown in to clean the mooks.
While nowhere near as pathetic as the Windams, the Strike Daggers do get destroyed in hordes even to the M1s.
>Why didn't the tidal wave of EA forces and grunts just smash the smaller ZAFT attack force?
What? After Durandal's speech, ZAFT and the anti-Logos coalition of former EA units were numerically superior.
The EA (rather, the remaining Logos loyalists) was in full retreat at Heaven's Base. Other than a couple of lunar bases, there was no place for them to mount a defense; and even that was entirely reliant on Requiem, since their fleet and MS force was utterly decimated. The thick of the Logos space fleet was tasked to defend the Requiem reflectors.
Afterwards, whatever remained at Arzachel was only able to mount a token defense against ZAFT's full offensive. Which wasn't even required, since Durandal just blasted the whole place with Requiem instead.
What
said, also they needed to wrap up the plot fast so they could get to Durandal's Destiny plan reveals, fighting Kira more etc. No time for long, drawn out battles.
Will he get the justice he deserves or is going to get shit on for the sake of making Kira look good?
Good chance he'll get some really good fight scenes, but jobs in the final battle so Kira gets the spotlight.
He'll survive and bear Lunamaria's child
Reminder Astray isn't canon anymore past X
Kira will kill Yzak this time in a rage.
>"stop fighting!"
>takes away his flight and kicks him into the ocean
Kira was kind of a dick to Yzak here, I wonder if subconsciously he didn't want him to escape
>giga mega powerful MS powered by a nuclear reactor
>can't overpower a battery power MS in sheer grip strength
>Nuclear plant means robot stronk
This is the average CEgay IQ
>functionally infinite power output doesn't provide more power than a freaking battery
the worst thing is that it's inconsistent, since freedom has zero qualms against spamming beam weapons 24/7, so the reactor is not only an effectively infinite source, but also outputs far more power than what a battery can. That's the whole fricking point of the nuclear-powered suits, lasting longer is just a nice bonus.
Uh...but the Freedom is overpowering the Duel in strength, it's arm is fully extended and the Duel's is bent?
Besides, it's an anime, it's done for coolness.
I think he thinks the Duel's limbs needs to be shattered upon locking hands with the Freedom or something for it to be an actual difference or something. Like webm related except it works like qigong kung fu where the Freedom flexes its fingers slightly and it sends Naruto chakra energy through the Duel's arms into the chest wienerpit and makes something explode in there, maiming Yzak again.
I miss angry Kira.
He's such a fricking hypocrite
>DON'T DO IT!
>Stop Kira.
Am I a fool for holding out hope this movie will at least touch on the fact that Kira is a really hypocritical and self-righteous person, and needs somebody to tard wrangle him from making sweeping moral judgments just because he's holding the biggest gun?
Shinn will put a stop to him
Shinn will be too busy impregnating Lunamaria.
Yes. SEED and Destiny were built on the backs of Kira being the perfect hero, no fricking way they're going to change that for this dumpster fire of a movie.
Or they're addressing it, by doubling down in the end.
Well Kira was made to be perfect, so being a perfect hero fits.
Perfect according to what.
Maybe they're talking about Kira being the Ultimate Coordinator.
I'm guessing contrary to what this trailerbait wants us to think, everyone's trying to stop Kira from doing some kind of mid-movie sacrificial move. Then of course, we get the new Freedom after his fake-out death.
Jesus Christ, Kira's VA sounds like he became a chainsmoker over the course of the past 19 years while Rie Tanaka sounds like she hasn't aged a day since Destiny. Dude sounds like a raspy, nasally israeli grandma constantly gargling mouthwash compared to what he used to sound like
Well, that explains why he's semi-retired and didn't play Takeru in the ML anime. Ishida, Sazamura and even Mitsuishi sound just fine.
>the ML anime
The what?
The MuvLuv Alternative anime from last year. Hoshi plays the protagonist, Takeru Shirogane, in the original visual novel.
Eh, not really. Muvluv replaced literally every single cast from the original.
He sounds normal here
He sounds the same to me.
That's because he sounds like SEED Kira, not Destiny Kira, the latter is stoic, while the former is somewhat aggressive.
I am too young to know the answer myself, but why is SEED technology so discussed compared to other AUs? I mean, I have seen discussion for everything on this board, but there seems to be a group of enthusiasts just for SEED technology. Why is that?
Probably because Seed has a bunch of background material tech stuff that is either not mentioned or outright contradicted in the animation that people like to argue about. Just like everything else Seed related.
Seed technology is very silly
Because of the amount of detail and effort that went into fleshing out the setting, especially as SEED was pretty much the last Gundam series to have effectively 100 episodes (+3 if including Stargazer), and at the time, Bandai was trying to make SEED as a modern-day MSG/Zeta/CCA to draw in the masses and going all out.
The only other Gundam series afterwards to go into so much technical detail is 00, and that was mainly thanks to the staff putting in extra effort to explain 00's tech rather than a big push by Bandai.
Afterwards, the following Gundam series mostly glossed over in-depth tech details. AGE has a similar rapid evolution of technology as SEED, but it was never really fleshed out. IBO and Witch also glossed over most of their tech. Build Fighters and Divers subscribed to "It just works".
I watched it in grade school and liked it a lot. Found Kira to be relatable in SEED and Shinn relatable in Destiny. One of the first anime I watched on Friday nights and has a special place in my heart, even if my older self considers it terribly substandard.
t. Early '95 zoomer/millenial.
One thing I really hate about SeeD is how insane the tech advances in just a few months/years. There's no room for current tech showed on screen to breathe and be used in good ways. Instead, it is shown off a few times only to be supplanted by something even better in mere months/a few years in-universe.
well , other than the mirage colloid and neutron jammers, all other " tech leaps" seem to be just refinement of shield technology.
i mean
we go from ballistics and armor plating being the key factor on MS survival on the battlefield to
- magic color shift that makes you invulnerable to physical bullets.
-frick-off grade beamsabered blade that slices thru phase shift and capitol ships
- i-field like beam shield that works against beams and physical weapons.
dragoons are basically funnels that you could justify as ai powered drones
colony lasers or meatbag popping microwave cannons are not so exotic tech.
thats basically all the tech evolution in the cosmic era , yes theres plenty of mobile suits but from a tech point thats as far as they go from the starting point in the series, i dont see it so crazy as gundam AGE , that has a crazier tech jumps , but it also covers a longer timespam in the series timeline
See
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Basically, Fukuda is a super-robot fanboy (that's why sending him to direct Grendizer is an excellent idea). Gundams are there to demolish an entire battlefield with zero effort. Any nuance like "politics" or "technological development" just passes through his head in favor of the most terrible ideas:
>let's make kira and cagalli siblings!
>let's resurrect mwu after the strike was vaporized!
>let's call it "fire gundam"!
>let's put literal ZAKUs and GOUFs!
I mean, the original 5 G weapons were suppose to be these new, revolutionary machines and yet they were handily surpassed in less than a year in Seed. By Seed Destiny, you have mass produced machines that either matched (Windams, Dagger Ls) or surpassed (Zaku Warrior series) the 5 G weapons in only 2 years.
That's because the Gelgoog and Rick Dom did surpass the Gundam, in less than a year, mind you.
As well as the GN-X's introduction made the Thrones moot.
That's awesome
Happens all the time in Gundam. The whole advancement of tech and arms race happens everywhere.
>RX-78-2 wasn't as comparatively powerful near the end with gundarium allow being the only thing it has over Gelgoogs and Doms but Amuro improved so much in skill it didn't seem that way
>Mk 2 was just to test movable frame and needed a backpack to keep up with all the hot new shit coming out
>Zaku III and Doven Wolf are so good they're still better than most grunt mechs into Unicorn
>Wing Gundam gets ditched for Wing Zero while all the others get upgrades and Taurus and Virgos become major
>GN tech given to UN forces makes individual enemies far more threatening than before
>one year of peace before the movie and tech being focused away from war still has GN XIVs made who're equal if not better than S2 Gundams minus 00 Rasier
So long as it improves the chances of getting a RG Strike Noir, even if it's P-Bandai, I'll accept any and all new media from Gundam Seed.
I'm hoping for a Legend kit. I'm fine even with a new HG
If Kira and Cagalli were originally supposed to end up together, who was Athrun supposed to end up with?
Lacus, in at least one interview, with Athrun becoming Lacus' knight and turning on his father in the name of love.
Is there a in universe reason why the Akatsuki's gold coating allows it to bypass Requiem's shield completely?
If I understand correctly, the shield is a Positron Barrier, which is a defensive type of the system used by the Lohengrin and Tannhäuser as blaster cannons, the latter of which Akatsuki tanked with no effort.
In short, Akatsuki's coating is immune to beams of any kind, offensive or defensive.
Chances they will ever create an animation based on that Gundam Wing Tear Frozen stuff?
At this stage, none. Sunrise has its plate full with Gundam stuff already.
>Chances they will ever create an animation based on that Gundam Wing Tear Frozen stuff?
Depends on what they do after SEED Freedom and the Gundam 00 Sequel The latter has been in the works for years now ever since the teaser trailer with Lockon/Neil meeting Setsuna in purgatory and the latter resurrecting him for some reason.
They need to resurrect Nena
>has been in the works for years now
Didn't Mizushima say that he's still waiting until he can get all of the old staff before doing it?
Hopefully none.
Her lips got it the worst
Will she have a bed scene with Mwu in the movie?
It'll be interrupted by the Mwu clone
He'll cheer for them instead
Hopefully not, can't stand those two.
Imagine having shit taste
They're nothing characters, brother.
Couldn't put them in the movie if they're nothing then, anon
>a formally concluded and ratified agreement between countries.
Is Lacus a country?
If we're gonna b***h about treaty violations, can we clarify if it was illegal to USE or simply OWN the nuclear machines?
I'd say latter. ZAFT had to go through the trouble of developing treaty-bypassing Gundams, and the Girty Lue was top secret. Destiny and Legend were only developed after the treaty had already been violated.
Those were all newly built machines, and developing new weapons based on Mirage Colloid and NJC's was banned by the treaty, but Freedom was not developed, it was already a leftover from the previous war. Note that they did not build another Justice
What even powers the archangel?
Whatever powers all the other ships. We don't know what it is, but it can't be nuclear because the other ships including Minerva didn't have a problem and Dominion is destroyed and that didn't go up in a nuclear flash.
>What even powers the archangel?
The answer has been there, for twenty years. Laser pulse fusion.
https://web.archive.org/web/20031204042935fw_/http://www.gundam-seed.net/special/column/column_01.html
So NJCs only work on fission and not fusion. That's something, I guess.
We've known for a while now that the Neutron Jammers only inhibit fission.
I still liked the humorous belief that they were all diesel-battery powered.
STOP ASKING QUESTIONS
No, ask more questions!
Cute
Not with those proportions, he isn't.
Still cute
Why does he have no nose?
La Flaga clan has evolved spatial awareness to the point that they can smell telepathically, so nostrils are just an evolutionary dead end for them.
At least his proportions don't seem as fricked up as the other characters.
Plus Destiny gets BTFO blocking smaller beams from the SF later on.
On one hand, it is nice that Mu is alive and hooked up with Murrue. On the other hand, I hate that his death scene in SEED was retconned. Then again, the only characters that seem to stay dead in SEED are villains, minor characters, or characters voiced by Houko Kuwashima.
Neo from GSD shouldn't have been Mwu. Neo committed War Crimes. He should have been a clone or something. The original Mwu should have been dead.
The Murrue should have hooked up with Andrew Waltfled. They Noth suffered the loss of their loved ones and the pain they shared should have brought them together. Murrue shouldn't get an undo button. It ruins the story.
IIRC, Team Kira even forgave him for the whole war crimes. I guess being brainwashed helped his case. Even with that said, I wish the show showed him having some regret for his actions as Neo. Especially, since he was partially responsible for Berlin. I would love if Freedom had something like that or had a scene of him and Shinn interacting over Stella, but I doubt that will happen. They'll probably just pretend his actions as Neo never happened.
If that audio drama is any indication Shinn doesn't realize Mwu is Neo only feeling him familiar but not pressing the issue and Mwu is in no mood to volunteer it. So as far as Shinn seems to believe Neo died in Berlin when his Windam was shot down
>Promo art looks better than Artist's
Fukuda should've stopped relying on Hirai.
forgot pic.
The real pic
Way worse than Hirai
ugh god those lips! i actually cringed, she looks 20 years older with those things!
That’s a bad thing?
Man, I remember back during the first trailer reveal when most people here liked Lacus' new lips.
I do, especially in scenes that won't make them look to big.
But I also don't like how every girl has the same exact lips, and that at times they will inevitably look jarring regardless of character.
He hasn't changed at all for 20 years. truly immortal character design.
Still looks better than her sister. Glad she kept the pink skirt.
Looks silver to me.
>Luna also wears snow boots like Murrue
What's with this fashion choice? Everyone talks about big lips but this is wjat gets me.
Kira's got the villain fakeout trailer but Athrun is the one that actually looks like a ruffian
He's 100% going to feature in one last flashback and you will enjoy it
Will she finally recover from her brain damage?
I don't know whether to feel sorry that she may have lost Athrun to Meyrin or happy that she doesn't have to deal with him anymore.
he's got kissable lips too
Did the Seiyuu quotes ever get translated? Curious as to what the cast have to say about being pulled back in to the CE
I think Suzumura isn't too mad anymore about what happened during Destiny. I'm curious if anything has been said about Cagalli's recasting and if the rumors about there being bad blood between Shindo and Murosawa were true.
He did an interview recently where he actually brought up the MC swap and people believing he must have been mad and he basically said that he didn’t even think about it like that and was just going with the flow. He also said something about not believing rumours regarding actors and directors which might’ve been a vaguely worded Shindō reference. Chances are he’s just being cordial and professional like you’re expected to be in Nipville but eh you never know. I doubt he cares. He got paid, he met his wife there, he got his name out there, now he’s one of the biggest names in the game. He won, it’s just Shinn didn’t
I want him to get a win in the movie so badly. I guess having Luna still is good enough.
I like it a little more than the Strike Freedom. I don't know why. Maybe because of the gold.
He's definitely said in the past he enjoyed playing Shinn in spinoffs when he wasn't such a massive jackass but I guess he really didn't care as much as people thought.
I feel there definitely had to be SOME backstage issues because of Shindo not coming back. She's still working, she can still do the voice and she's not too busy to be unable to schedule so the only reason she isn't coming back has to be because she doesn't want to
Not to mention, she did come back to voice Cagalli in the past for stuff like Super Robot Wars and the SD Gundam games.
She's been willing to reprise in games yes, so it seems she either doesn't want to work with Fukuda directing again or she doesn't want to group record with the cast again. Has she been in any anime or films with any of the cast since? In games they always record alone. She was in One Piece with Seki but that's all I can think of and Seki wasn't around much in Destiny and they never shared screentime.
I think she was in Gintama. Along with Suzumura and Ishida.
I might believe him when he says that Destiny ending up how it did wasn’t a big deal to him but not about the ‘don’t listen to rumors’ or whatever. He’s just being professional. The fact Banrise had to put out a statement telling people not to badger Shindō over why she isn’t in the movie is too telling
>The fact Banrise had to put out a statement telling people not to badger Shindō over why she isn’t in the movie is too telling
I didn't know about that last part
It was after the cast announcement. They put out a tweet that just said ‘because of reasons beyond our control, the role of Cagalli has been recast. Please do not contact any of the voice cast with enquiries regarding this’ or something along those lines. Very formal, very blunt. It wasn’t like they just dropped the Seiyuu list and hoped nobody would raise an eyebrow as to why one of the lead characters in their most popular AU suddenly has a new actress, people were obviously going to ask. Nip Twitter took it fairly well surprisingly. Usually it’s a shitshow but a few were actually like ‘oh well, good luck Mori-san!!’
What other stuff has her new actress done?
A bunch of stuff I’ve never heard of but glancing through her resumé says she was in Pretty Cure, Megalobox as well as a bunch of bit-roles. /m/ wise she was Emilia in Build Divers, Eiko in Nights of Sidonia and Hikaru from… Cross Ange
Here's an alternate take. Naomi is just respecting that this is Morosawa's project and she had died on bad terms with her.
It's really not Morosawa's project. By accounts she hadn't really written that much beyond notes and the main writer is the current one, they just followed some of Morosawa's notes and even then threw out the ones that wouldn't work with the new writer's plan.
She's just getting a writing credit out of respect and because she's Fukuda's wife
>She's just getting a writing credit out of respect
This is essentially what's happening. Also, superstition might also be in play. You don't want someone spurning you from beyond the grave, right?
What's odd is that she is listed as screenwriter, rather than just a "Story By" credit:
>Screenplay: Chiaki Morosawa, Liu Goto, and Mitsuo Fukuda.
I think there's a fair amount of her input in the final product.
>Liu Goto
Based
This guy made Mwu reject Destiny Plan by being horny from the novel
>He won, it’s just Shinn didn’t
Despite losing, I still reckon Shinn got the better deal than Kira or Athrun at the end of Destiny. Of course, the movie may change that.
We'll see when we get there.
What the frick are those things on her head?
A tiara shaped like the (Strike) Freedom's wings, duh.
Shouldn't those white things be purple too, then? Unless the new Freedom is going to have white wings. If the Strike Freedom is meant to be Kira's equivalent to the Nu Gundam is the new one going to be his Hi-Nu?
She got her own pair of Freedom wings
God I love the Freedom so much.
It's so fricking beautiful. Frick SF.
chopsticks
They're all bowing so fast, it's like they're bobbing their heads to some music.
Are those ZAFT or Orb uniforms? I'm confused, Yzak's is clearly different than Kira's and Murrue's white uniform.
Shinn, Lunamaria, and Agnes are probably ZAFT, but I don't know about the others.
No, they're either a Londo-Bell or FAITH-like unit.
And here I thought Terminal was already the Londo Bell of CE.
Thing is, "Terminal" is never properly explained in the series proper. It's only mentioned by name on episode 39 without any details whatsoever.
(cont'd)
Details only appeared on model kit manuals and the like:
>In order to put an end to the conflict between Naturals and Coordinators, people from both sides secretly gathered to form a secret organization called "the Terminal". It is said that its parent organization was a resistance group established in PLANT at the end of the previous war, led by Siegel Clyne. The Terminal has continued its activities since the end of the previous war, led by the assassinated Siegel's orphaned daughter, Lacus Clyne.
And IIRC it was supplementary material that revealed that Terminal was being funded by Cagalli.
Yzak is still a member of ZAFT since you can see the emblem on his sleeve but Kira's gang all seem to have new COMPASS emblems on their uniforms
Newtype character/series polls, December 2003, reprinted in Newtype USA.
>Shani Andras
Why
he had good taste in music
Fujoshi.
I love that Edward and Sosuke are the only male characters not from SEED on that list.
>Shani
What
Athrun will get a redemption arc.
I can feel it.
I thought he already had two in both shows.
What's he gonna do?
Cagalli's future husband
How will the Kira vs Athrun fight go this time?
They'll just kiss and make up in the end like they always do.
Wonder what Shinn is going to pilot? Didn’t Fukuda say he was going to be in a “surprise machine” or something? That seems to imply it won’t be a new Destiny
What is it going to be called
>Impulse because he's impulsive
>Destiny because of the Destiny plan
Destiny Impulse
That already exists actually.
I feel like he could still get a suit with Destiny in the title like how Kira and Athrun still got suits with Freedom and Justice. Except this time, it symbolizes him fighting for his own destiny.
I still believe he'll pilot a Freedom, to symbolise being "free" from his "destiny".
>opening day for Seed movie
>all the other Gundams plus side suits have been revealed to the public
>all except for Shinn’s
>Fukuda constantly teasing in interviews that it’s going to be a huge surprise
>audience crowds into theatre and the movie begins
>all the other suits are shown off except for Shinn’s
>all the characters are constantly talking about “that crazy new machine for the Asuka kid”. Really milking the audience suspense
>finally, the characters all enter a hanger bay and a shadowy mobile suit can be seen
>everyone is commenting on how cool it is, Mwu lets out a whistle, even Athrun is impressed
>the lights flick on and the suit is revealed.
>it’s picrel
How do you react?
Don't forget
>opening scene of movie
>enemy mobile suits attacking Destiny at close range
>Shinn pulls out beam saber to try to block enemy beam saber
>beams sabers don't clash!
>the beam sabers pass right through eachother
Fukuda is brilliant.
When does Kira show up to save the day?
>main villain requests documentation of all of the Three Ships’ mobile suits
>sits and watches footage of the Infinite Justice, Destiny, Akatuski but there’s no Strike Freedom footage for some reason
>asks where it is
>lackey looks directly into the camera and says “The Strike Freedom video is on its way”
I always knew Fukuda was the master but this is just too much!
Is it Shinn's turn to get a fakeout death?
Come to think of it I don't think I've ever heard anything about Soichiro Hoshi's thoughts on Destiny. Rumors or not.
Allegedly, and I must stress allegedly, he said ‘don’t blame me for how things turned out’ when someone asked him about Destiny’s sudden trainwreck of a conclusion but that’s just hearsay. It’s got about as much basis in fact as ‘Fukuda was fricking Shindō and Morosawa went insane so she rewrote the story to spite her and Suzuken’
Yeah, I've also heard different stories in regard to how Fukuda feels about Super Robot Wars. Either he hated it or he got tired of people telling him SRW did his story better than he did. Once again, this is all hearsay. Though, the latter I feel is the most plausible and I can understand if he would be upset if someone told him somebody else did his work better than he did.
This is the only source I can find. Maybe you can translate it to Japanese and track it down.
Regardless, it does sound like something Fukuda would say. Apart from his brilliant ideas as a director, he's very "opinionated". Here's his take on modern Gundam mecha designs (I assume he means the likes of Ebikawa, Gyoubu or Washio):
>The recent Gundam designs seem overly complex and sharp, so much so that I sometimes find myself thinking, “This isn’t a Gundam.”
https://www.zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=10856
>Strike Freedom and Destiny
Says the man who okayed the Strike Freedom and Destiny?
They look better than the garbage we've been getting since 00
By all accounts he doesn't really care or have an opinion because Kira barely says anything in Destiny so he really didn't do much work on it. He just said the protag switch had nothing to do with him and not to blame him, as opposed to when in Seed he inadvertently got Fukuda to change his mind on Kira dying at the end
I’m aware Kira was meant to go down in flames at the end before they changed their minds but what’s this about Hoshi convincing Fukuda to change it?
Fukuda told Hoshi and his response was to get rather sad about it and as a result Fukuda eventually changed his mind based on that reaction
>sneed
Will Dearka finally get some b***hes?
sHIN the only that doesnt bow @0:16
This is why Blue Cosmos is depraved. Coordinators are named so because they're to guide humanity, not replace them. Their sterility was intentional. They are hardwired to be unable to go a few generations without Natural wiener. The plan was to have Coordinators breed with Naturals until by some point, everyone's functionally a Coordinator. A Coordinator's very purpose in life is to contribute their DNA to Naturals.
Just imagine how utterly bitter and envious someone has to be over Coordinators. They take a look at pic and decide to fill it with bullets instead of their cum. To use their peashooter instead of their pee-shooter. Imagine this hot ass, intelligent and athletic girl comes begging for your babies because those Coordinators can't make fertile offspring with her. What insane butthurt drives a man to deny this Coordinator girl whose vegana is genetically sculpted to be a perfect fit for his dick?
>Me so jelly this girl beat me in sports/grades/etc that even though she's spreading her legs for me, me run away with my virginity intact
I can't even call it gay, there's Coordinator men too. The recently deceased Shinzo Abe would strangle all of Blue Cosmos for not dropping their guns and dropping their pants. Unbelievable.
There he is. There he goes again. Look, everyone! He posted it once again! Isn't he just the funniest guy around?! Oh my God.
I can almost see your pathetic overweight frame glowing in the dark, lit by your computer screen which is the only source of light in your room, giggling like a like girl as you once again type your little post up and fill in the captcha. Or maybe you don't even fill in the captcha. Maybe you're such a disgusting NEET that you actually paid for a Cinemaphile pass, so you just choose the picture. Oh, and we all know the picture. The Lunamaria panty shot from the remaster, isn't it? I imagine you little shit laughing so hard as you click it that you drop your Doritos on the floor, but it's okay, your mother will clean it up in the morning. Oh, that's right. Did I fail to mention? You live with your mother. You are a fat fricking frickup, she's probably so sick of you already. So sick of having to do everything for you all goddamn day, every day, for a grown man who spends all his time on Cinemaphile posting about a twenty-year old anime. Just imagine this. She had you, and then she thought you were gonna be a scientist or an astronaut or something grand, and then you became a NEET. A pathetic shitposting NEET. She probably cries herself to sleep everyday thinking about how bad it is and how she wishes she could just disappear. She can't even try to talk with you because all you say is "This is why Blue Cosmos is depraved!" You've become a parody of your own self. And that's all you are. A sad little man laughing in the dark by himself as he prepares to indulge in the same old dance that he's done a million times now.
And that's all you'll ever be.
>t. seething natural unable to frick coordiantor gooch
She must survive. She will break the curse
I hope she does.
We need more worthwhile female pilots other than Luna.
>worthwhile female pilots other than Luna.
Luna a shit except her design
I know everyone gives her shit for missing the shuttle but did anyone else try to shoot it down. It might have been too far away for anyone to reach at that point.
IIRC, one of the manga adaptations had Kira and Shinn mutually ditch their fight to chase the shuttle. They both missed as well.
To be fair, I imagine trying to lead shots on a target approaching escape velocity, when you're not directly behind, it is pretty hard.
>To be fair, I imagine trying to lead shots on a target approaching escape velocity, when you're not directly behind, it is pretty hard.
It's difficult, but not impossible.
He's the closest thing Cagalli will ever have to raising her own child
Well, if Cagalli ever thinks of actually gives up her title for Athrun then she should raise him fast to be next orb leader I wonder if that is possible
There is nothing like that Kira and Cagalli, had been set up as twin from day 1 that photo of her mom and her twin been there since episode 1 and the OP1 also show KiraxLacus and AthrunxCagalli. it was just made up theory of buthurt Kira Cagalli shipper who got pranked by Fukuda with Starwars
Shota Mwu
Sho Ta Flaga
You wish
I want to groom him into a better man like Mu
>Quoted from the section "Windam" (p. 12) in the SEED DESTINY mechanics feature in the March (2012?) issue of Great Mechanics.
The Windam achieved the Earth Alliance's long-cherished dream of "complete mass production of the Strike Gundam.
It was developed as a next-generation mass-production type MS that could demonstrate high potential by achieving specifications equivalent to those of the Strike Gundam and being equipped with the Striker Pack System as standard equipment, and it can be said to be an achievement of an MS made by the Earth Alliance Forces.
It was formally adopted immediately after Break the World, and mass production began in Detroit in the Atlantic Federation, Odesa in Eurasia, and Shanghai and Chongqing in East Asia, followed by rapid deployment in exchange for the Dagger L.
According to sources, within one month of its formal adoption, the Windam replaced all the MS in the Earth Alliance Space Fleet on the Moon.
The first noticeable feature of the Windam is the M9409L beam assault rifle, which is one size larger than the beam rifles of conventional MS. Conventional dagger-type beam rifles had the disadvantage that when used in the atmosphere, the power of the beam rifle was reduced due to atmospheric attenuation, resulting in a significant deterioration of its penetrating power. Therefore, improvements were made based on the Strike Dagger's M703 57mm beam rifle, which not only increased firepower but also succeeded in raising the beam's hit rate by increasing its range and enlarging its dot sight.
The Windam's M9409L had far greater range and firepower than the MMI-M633 beam assault rifle of its hypothetical enemy, the ZAKU Warrior, and when engaged in a firefight with the ZAKU Warrior, it could unilaterally attack the Zaku Warrior out of range, unless the ZAKU was using a Gunner pack.
(part 2)
During the Junius War, it responded to the descending Zaku Warrior units with a complex tactical combination of the M9409L and the Mk438/B2 Würger SA10 multipurpose missile. The combined strike tactics of the M9409L, a linearly maneuvering beam weapon, and the Würger, an unguided, irregularly moving live ammunition weapon, caused the ZAKU Warrior to suffer heavy losses, with most of them being shot down before they could get the Windam within its range.
In addition, the large vernier thrusters in the shoulders and legs, which boasted high mobility, combined with the acceleration of the jet striker, limited the Windam's ability in air combat to only a few second-stage series and the Babi, whose production numbers were still very small.
In ground combat, the Windam's slimmer legs and bifurcated heels, based on biological and ergonomic features, greatly improved its traversing ability compared to the conventional dagger type, and combined with its high firepower, it was able to overwhelm the older GuAIZ and GINN types that still make up the majority of ZAFT ground forces' equipment.
In the series, it is considered a very unfortunate machine in SEED DESTINY, as it was unilaterally shot down by the main character's machine, but it is no exaggeration to say that it is a masterpiece that has kicked out mass-produced ZAFT machines in off-screen battles and has also provided solid support for the Earth Alliance Forces on various fronts.
>it was really good offscreen!
hahahahha
Sauce?
Got it from 2ch, but, judging by the description that you didn't read, it's from Great Mechanics, March 2012.
2ch link please
http://archive.2ch-ranking.net/shar/1354463321.html#531
thanks
On a different thread, someone posted another Great Mechanics writeup about the Earth Alliance forces, their fleets, numbers, tactics and such. Will probably make a thread about that.
Holy shit it's everyone's favourite character Alexei
I just finished OG SEED and started OG Destiny, is it worth it to watch both Remastered versions once I'm finished with Destiny?
why didn't you just watch the remaster?
I've heard the music is better in the OG, I saw some scenes to compare (like Miriallia trying to kill Dearka) and I agree,
Then just finish what you're watching. If you want, go rewatch scenes that you are curious about seeing in the remaster.
The remaster, especially in the case of Destiny, is mostly just sharper quality and a few animation improvements. SEED is the one that got a lot of character art overhauled.
Yeah I'll stick with the OG, I might watch the remastered if I have time before Freedom comes out.
Speaking of the SEED art, I saw the scene where Athrun gives Birdy back to Kira and I think it looks way better in the OG
Just get the HD Remaster Special Edition, I'm thinking those would be the definitive versions when going to Freedom, much like the CG compilation movies are the ones to follow when marathoning towards Code Geass: Lelouch of the Resurrection.
Is it out on nyaa.si or someplace?