If it was released today it would have been made by Amazon and have the most disgusting gorilla Black folk everywhere with half the fellowship being replaced by girlbosses and the cgi would look worse than a ps2 game
So yes it would have been slop and we would have rightfully called it SLOP
Jackson really should have kept the ghosts to just helping Aragorn get the ships. And Aragorn bringing human reinforcements up the river. Then Aragorn could have led a badass charge too instead of silly invincible army that demands to be let go immediately.
>Jackson really should have kept the ghosts to just helping Aragorn get the ships. And Aragorn bringing human reinforcements up the river.
the movie is long enough as is, having the ghosts fill the role was perfectly fine. There didn't need to be another 15 minutes of Aragorn getting reinforcements and another 30 minutes of battle. And Aragorn was a man of his word, letting them go made sense.
It's not "perfectly fine" at all, the character motivations completely break down because of it. Unironically, why not use the ghost army to solve all your problems? Because they couldn't do that in the book. It makes no sense in the movie.
You don't need a 15 minute sequence. You just need a bit of exposition about why Aragorn needs to go through the spooky cave so that viewers understand why he comes back later with another army. Just like how the movie could've included the troops that reinforced Minas Tirith because all you need to do is show them arriving and have their leader say hi to Gandalf or something. It's not like there wasn't enough runtime to fit it all in anyway, Jackson wrote himself into a corner when he wasted so much time in The Two Towers that he couldn't fit actual plot events from Two Towers into his adaptation and needed to put them in Return of the King instead.
And yet 20 years later the ghost army is the bit that people complain the most about this movie.
Like anon said, they could have not made them invincible, or they could have not made it so they didn't arrive right after a load of Rohan people die so it all seemed like a waste, or maybe cut some time elsewhere to allow for Aragorn on his bist with the men.
Plenty of other options
>Jackson really should have kept the ghosts to just helping Aragorn get the ships. And Aragorn bringing human reinforcements up the river.
the movie is long enough as is, having the ghosts fill the role was perfectly fine. There didn't need to be another 15 minutes of Aragorn getting reinforcements and another 30 minutes of battle. And Aragorn was a man of his word, letting them go made sense.
They should have made so that ghost army would not have been invincible. Ghost army should have been just army of undeads that could died like any other.
Would have been better than just invincible ghost army that could just kill everyone easily
The cuts back and forth, wide and tight, are what really drive the tension up. The whole army, the characters you've been watching, the whole of Sauron's forces, their general. The large scale and the small all converging.
>that choir at the end singing about gandalf & the balrog fighting to the death
I'm not saying this tops it (the ROTK charge tops it) but the previous battle that really got to me, Helm's Deep at this moment, and few others of course
them hiring howard shore to score these movies, despite him not being known for making this type of music before, was almost a miracle
I dunno if I've ever seen such intense horse trampling in a battle before, or since. It's hard to film without cutaways I'm guessing and the CG helped immensely. It's right there full-on, full effect lands home, with the sounds. CG makes it possible, but nothing else comes close to my mind, that I remember. Did they pull off horse-trampling similarly, ever, in that, at the end of the day, gigantic pile of shit Game of Thrones?
I'm not saying this tops it (the ROTK charge tops it) but the previous battle that really got to me, Helm's Deep at this moment, and few others of course
Don't try to defend this crap. It's always been stupid. Spear walls don't function in hollywood movies except the extremely rare historical movie. Didn't work in Two Towers either when they had 20 foot long pikes and would never break. But yeah, le sun blinded them. They want a rousing horse charge and the enemy to be beaten easily, that's it. Not for half the cavalry to brutally die like they should.
If this were released today, Cinemaphile would be calling it slop.
If it hadn't been for the speech, it would've been cringe. But it inspired you enough to overlook how moronic the charge is.
The speech is cringe.
I love the lotr movies but I have to agree
Wrong, it's based.
It's based in the book as well, though there it happens in the middle of the battle.
>ancient saxon battle poetry is cringe
have a nice day
>If it hadn't been for the music, it would've been cringe
fixed
If it was released today it would have been made by Amazon and have the most disgusting gorilla Black folk everywhere with half the fellowship being replaced by girlbosses and the cgi would look worse than a ps2 game
So yes it would have been slop and we would have rightfully called it SLOP
you will never have a real ethnostate
Helm's Deep was better. Pelennor Fields looked too video game-y.
How do they know what to do in the back row? They only see horse asses and cant hear shit what the bosses say.
They watch the people in front of them
So the people in front of them repeat what they hear?
>green ghost army floats over land and water and kills everything it touches
left the theater at that point tbqh
Jackson really should have kept the ghosts to just helping Aragorn get the ships. And Aragorn bringing human reinforcements up the river. Then Aragorn could have led a badass charge too instead of silly invincible army that demands to be let go immediately.
>Jackson really should have kept the ghosts to just helping Aragorn get the ships. And Aragorn bringing human reinforcements up the river.
the movie is long enough as is, having the ghosts fill the role was perfectly fine. There didn't need to be another 15 minutes of Aragorn getting reinforcements and another 30 minutes of battle. And Aragorn was a man of his word, letting them go made sense.
It's not "perfectly fine" at all, the character motivations completely break down because of it. Unironically, why not use the ghost army to solve all your problems? Because they couldn't do that in the book. It makes no sense in the movie.
ok nerd
You don't need a 15 minute sequence. You just need a bit of exposition about why Aragorn needs to go through the spooky cave so that viewers understand why he comes back later with another army. Just like how the movie could've included the troops that reinforced Minas Tirith because all you need to do is show them arriving and have their leader say hi to Gandalf or something. It's not like there wasn't enough runtime to fit it all in anyway, Jackson wrote himself into a corner when he wasted so much time in The Two Towers that he couldn't fit actual plot events from Two Towers into his adaptation and needed to put them in Return of the King instead.
And yet 20 years later the ghost army is the bit that people complain the most about this movie.
Like anon said, they could have not made them invincible, or they could have not made it so they didn't arrive right after a load of Rohan people die so it all seemed like a waste, or maybe cut some time elsewhere to allow for Aragorn on his bist with the men.
Plenty of other options
>bist
*Boat, goddammit
They should have made so that ghost army would not have been invincible. Ghost army should have been just army of undeads that could died like any other.
Would have been better than just invincible ghost army that could just kill everyone easily
The cuts back and forth, wide and tight, are what really drive the tension up. The whole army, the characters you've been watching, the whole of Sauron's forces, their general. The large scale and the small all converging.
true, especially that music part starting at 3:10 really drives the tension towards its climax
them hiring howard shore to score these movies, despite him not being known for making this type of music before, was almost a miracle
it was already topped in the previous movie
>that choir at the end singing about gandalf & the balrog fighting to the death
I dunno if I've ever seen such intense horse trampling in a battle before, or since. It's hard to film without cutaways I'm guessing and the CG helped immensely. It's right there full-on, full effect lands home, with the sounds. CG makes it possible, but nothing else comes close to my mind, that I remember. Did they pull off horse-trampling similarly, ever, in that, at the end of the day, gigantic pile of shit Game of Thrones?
SNEED SHALL BE POSTED
I'm not saying this tops it (the ROTK charge tops it) but the previous battle that really got to me, Helm's Deep at this moment, and few others of course
In terms of terrible looking fake scenes? i think the new Dune tops it.
what did they eat?
Lembas bread (more tasty version of hardtack)
that seems like a lot of lembi
Napoleon dynamite did
Is nobody going to make a /RoP/e thread so we can laugh at the latest news?
This scene always makes me cry
Even just pulling it up on YouTube does it
I watched all movies in the theater, but my friends dad had to be there with us
Charges don’t actually work. Not a good military tactic.
(Source: in a past life, I was killed during a failed charge)
is charging into spear wielding men common in your c**t?
they didn't really have long spears or anything, and they started to break rank when they realized they weren't going to be able to stop them
Don't try to defend this crap. It's always been stupid. Spear walls don't function in hollywood movies except the extremely rare historical movie. Didn't work in Two Towers either when they had 20 foot long pikes and would never break. But yeah, le sun blinded them. They want a rousing horse charge and the enemy to be beaten easily, that's it. Not for half the cavalry to brutally die like they should.
Oh boy dudes riding horses how epic