its so stupid how every serial killers kink in this show seems to arrange corpses in surreal ways.
What actual serial killer ever did that? Most of them just tortured their victims to death then made sure to get rid of the bodies in unceremoniously fashion, maybe keeping a bodypart or two in the freezer but thats it.
I mean they are sadists, they like feeling the power over their victims, after they are dead it makes sense they quickly lose interest unless they hold some spiritual beliefs about the afterlife.
>arrange corpses in surreal ways. >What actual serial killer ever did that?
Dahmer did this to some of the bodies, kind of. In at least a few cases he arranged the body in a surreal pose and took photos of it. But I don't think he ever left the bodies like that to be found.
its always creepy the knowledge about serial killers in america and the way your media turns them into pop culture icons instead of burying their memory so no future criminals get the idea of becoming famous
Quite literally. They report stuff like this hoping there will be copycats so they'll have more to report. For-profit journalism creates this sort of perverse incentive.
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to be honest this happened already in the wild wild west making bandits famous
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It was big during the Great Depression with the "Public Enemy" era when the newspapers turned bank robbers into folk heroes.
Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde, etc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_depression-era_outlaws
>character is named hannibal >he is also a cannibal
Bravo, Harris.
At least the original Hannibal was also a very clever and dangerous man. On the most obvious level the name is a shallow pun, but at least there's a little bit of depth to it.
>He doesn't break out of prison with some insanely clever plot or anything like that.
If manhunter made you think Lecter was anything other than a super-genius, than that's a failing of the movie and a betrayal of the source material.
Also it pains me that there's people who don't appreciate Hannibal's escape. It's a fantastic sequence.
Manhunter depicts Hannibal as a genius but not a supernatural level supergenius. Hannibal already knew and understood Graham by the time we see them meet again in Manhunter; he's able to psychologically abuse Graham because they already knew each other, not because his supergenius gives him borderline telepathy. He doesn't cold-read the guy's entire personal life within five minutes of meeting him, like he does to Clarice in Silence of the Lambs.
And the phone phreaking stuff: very smart, but not a demigod. What he does with the phone is more or less the sort of thing plenty of people knew how to do back then. It's a very clever trick, but it's not superhuman.
>He doesn't cold-read the guy's entire personal life within five minutes of meeting him, like he does to Clarice in Silence of the Lambs.
Your obsession over realism is preventing you from enjoying good cinema. Graham's entire skillset is borderline telepathic. What's wrong with Lecter being the same?
>Your obsession over realism is preventing you from enjoying good cinema.
No, I enjoyed Silence of the Lambs. Still do. But I don't love it, like Manhunter. Manhunter is much better.
>Graham's entire skillset is borderline telepathic.
Yes, I agree with that. And it was corny, very theatrical. But Graham is also shown to be very vulnerable, with a recent history of mental illness and on the verge of a relapse. Graham has unnatural intuitive powers but he's still weak, still human. I think Silence of the Lambs makes Hannibal far too powerful, he has all of Graham's telephathic powers but none of Graham's weakness. The only real weakness Hannibal has is being imprisoned, which he rectifies in a very dramatic and dubious way.
>He doesn't cold-read the guy's entire personal life within five minutes of meeting him, like he does to Clarice in Silence of the Lambs
But he doesn't do this to Clarice in Silence of the Lambs. He just throws out a few Barnum statements that would apply to 90% of young, newly qualified female law enforcement officers with her southern drawl accent. Everything substantial about Clarice's background that Hannibal comes to know is from what she tells him.
This is why Manhunter is better than Silence of the Lambs.
In Manhunter, Lector is human. He's smart, but not superhuman smart. He's resourceful, but he's not pulling circus acts out of his ass. The most he actually does is taunt the protagonist psychologically, and a little bit of light phone phreaking and social engineering to get the protagonist's home address. He doesn't break out of prison with some insanely clever plot or anything like that.
In Silence of the Lambs, Lector's traits from Manhunter are exaggerated to the point of making Lector a telepathic supergenius demigod.
I liked what they did in Red Dragon.
In the beginning scene where Graham shares his eureka moment with Lecter, Lecter seems like a lot more of a normal person.
It's only after he gets captured and his true self is revealed to the world that he doesn't bother acting normally anymore and he played up his evilness and dark side while in the asylum. No point in hiding or playing the role of a normal person.
Lambs is a much better movie than Manhunter and Hopkins owns the role, while nobody remembers Cox. The only reason that movie is ever brought up is because this site has a clinical obsession with contrarianism.
Manhunter filters people who want a Hannibal movie, because it's not really a Hannibal movie at all. Hannibal is in it, but it's not about him.
>The only reason that movie is ever brought up is because this site has a clinical obsession with contrarianism.
It's brought up because it's Michael Mann's best movie, stylish as frick with a very cool sound track. Also the killer is easier to empathize with; a lonely weirdo who wants to feel accepted, rather than a deranged psuedo-troony.
If I wanted to look at David Hockney's A Bigger Splash, I'd buy the painting and hang it on my wall. This shot has no place in a psychological thriller.
[...]
top kino, Michael Mann at his absolute best.
Manhunter filters people who want a Hannibal movie, because it's not really a Hannibal movie at all. Hannibal is in it, but it's not about him.
>The only reason that movie is ever brought up is because this site has a clinical obsession with contrarianism.
It's brought up because it's Michael Mann's best movie, stylish as frick with a very cool sound track. Also the killer is easier to empathize with; a lonely weirdo who wants to feel accepted, rather than a deranged psuedo-troony.
Came here expecting Manhunter bros and there you are
1)that cage can be used as ladder
2)he has a surgical practice so it is easier for him to disembowel fast
3)the disemboweled man is lighter so easier to drag up
next question?
Manhunter: >*sniff sniff* >"that's the same cologne you wore in court."
Silence of the Lambs: >*sniff sniff* >"Ah yes, sheep related trauma. I know everything about you Clarice, I smelled your entire life history the moment you set foot in this asylum."
He doesn't understand Clara until she out right tells him her story.
Almost everything he says about her is wrong and is just aimed at getting inside her head rather than be sherlockian deduction.
He “swallowed” his own tongue, which someone can die via serious, convulsive sobbing. I wouldn’t expect anyone talking about manhunter to understand that kind of subtlety though.
Manhunter is let down by its shitty 80's action movie ending, which totally removes the dragon faking his own death, which totally negates the entire point of him having a blind girlfriend. It takes the clever ending of the book, and turns it into 'and then the good guy bursts in and they fight and he shoots him!'
>which totally negates the entire point of him having a blind girlfriend
The blind girlfriend was purposeful in Manhunter, her blindness is used to explore the killer's deep insecurities about his physical appearance.
>which totally negates the entire point of him having a blind girlfriend
The blind girlfriend was purposeful in Manhunter, her blindness is used to explore the killer's deep insecurities about his physical appearance.
We're talking about Manhunter, which is Michael Mann's version of Red Dragon. They changed the name because they thought people would expect a kung fu movie. But Manhunter is an adaptation of Red Dragon.
>cage is used in lieu of ladder >banners tied to man and cage used as pulleys >had enough secondary caffeine intake after scarfing down the dude's guts to get those sanic vibes going
>The fantastical borderline magical shit that Hannibal does is...
...because Thomas Harris's books became successively shittier as he started pandering to his audience wanting more Hannibal. It's a clear downward trend. Silence of the Lambs is still very good, but is nevertheless part of this downward trajectory.
There is nothing to suggest it was minutes. It was late and without one of the guards notifying someone downstairs there was no reason to suspect anything was wrong. Lester could have done this over a couple of hours before sending the elevator down to alert the rest of the guards in the building. Also I doubt disemboweling someone takes all that much time once you've made the incision. Getting that body up in that position not going to be easy for one person though, even with all the insides cleared out.
>buy a cravat, tweed jacket, and some shiny cannibal shoes >I Have Become The Hunter >invite an old friend of mine over for dinner... >confit de hamburger meat, hot pocquette under a bed of marinara sauce with fried pommes du terre >as I make the feast I imagine that it's the remains of a 23rd year old Slovakian exchange student that I have abducted. >"wow, nice sloppy joes, anon" >I can barely control The Beast >Adam Chaikovsky on the radio and Drive ost >the finest cranberry juice (Ocean Spray, 2012) >during dinner I try to probe his mind, trying to somehow decipher the pathetic nature of Humans >"Do you believe in god, my friend?" >"Excuse me anon?" >"G-god must be a madman, lest he choose to be a m-monster" >triumphantly pop a morsel into my mouth >it misses, bounces off my cravat >he leaves early >I finish the rest of the sloppy joes, content >at school the next day everyone thinks I'm gay >apparently my hissing, smirking and staring deep into his eyes was seen as flirtatious behaviour >the Beast still hungers
You can see he's put a rope of some kind around the corpse, thrown the rope over the cage and used the leverage to lift the body up. Then it's just a matter of tying the two arms to the cage and cutting open his stomach.
Hannibal would've known exactly what to do at every moment so not a second went to waste. It's entirely possible and obviously very impressive, befitting his character
That only works if Hannibal weighs more than the guard. Which he might. But it's still tough work to haul somebody up like that with no mechanical advantage like real block and tackle would give you.
Particularly since the top of the prison cell isn't really a pulley, the rope will have substantial drag going over the top when being pulled down on both sides.
were any of these movies good? The closest one that comes to mind is Red Dragon but even then every scene with Hannibal only serves to make the movie worse, what a cringey character.
Silence of the Lambs is close to flawless, it's an exceptional film.
Manhunter is very good.
Red Dragon is competently done with a great cast.
Hannibal is dogshit.
I haven't seen Hannibal Rising, not remotely interested.
>Red Dragon is competently done with a great cast.
I didn't like Fiennes cast as Dolarhyde, though. he didn't seem physically imposing at all, especially compared with Tom Noonan in Manhunter
>he didn't seem physically imposing at all, especially compared with Tom Noonan in Manhunter
Nowhere near but Tom Noonan is 6'5 so hard to be as imposing. Fiennes did put on a lot of muscle and still did the role well imo.
yeah, his role was fine, he's great in basically everything he's in. he just didn't seem to fit casting-wise, but it's probably just me, because I saw Manhunter shortly before Red Dragon.
>Fans of Hannibal Lector media calling others low IQ while not realizing how low IQ they need to be to like this shit
Irony so thick you could cut it on a plate next to some fava beans and a nice Chianti
He’s a genius
This. Hannibal is canonically like a once a generation polymath. He's also frequently described as having an unexpected level of physical strength.
This is true, but it's only a thing because truly smart people can do very magical-seeming things.
It’s capeshit science.
A series of pullies
Smart people are wizards to dumb people who try to write genius characters.
Flung the bowels over the top bar and used it as a pulley to reduce the weight by half, obviously.
Intestine is extremely strong and durable.
Despite repeating this usually appropriate line, in this case you were the dumb people.
On the right track.
Cannibalism lets you absorb the strength of your enemies.
he used a wire hanger like the one your mother should have used on you
Mommy buy you your back to school supplies yet?
Where did he get the spotlights?
the gaffer
Seems legit
yo hold up, how did Hannibal transported a big tree with a human in it, and installed it on a parking lot without no one noticing?
Hannibal in that show was a literal wizard, but it made for some striking shots so all is forgiven.
its so stupid how every serial killers kink in this show seems to arrange corpses in surreal ways.
What actual serial killer ever did that? Most of them just tortured their victims to death then made sure to get rid of the bodies in unceremoniously fashion, maybe keeping a bodypart or two in the freezer but thats it.
I mean they are sadists, they like feeling the power over their victims, after they are dead it makes sense they quickly lose interest unless they hold some spiritual beliefs about the afterlife.
>arrange corpses in surreal ways.
>What actual serial killer ever did that?
Dahmer did this to some of the bodies, kind of. In at least a few cases he arranged the body in a surreal pose and took photos of it. But I don't think he ever left the bodies like that to be found.
its always creepy the knowledge about serial killers in america and the way your media turns them into pop culture icons instead of burying their memory so no future criminals get the idea of becoming famous
The media makes the news.
Quite literally. They report stuff like this hoping there will be copycats so they'll have more to report. For-profit journalism creates this sort of perverse incentive.
to be honest this happened already in the wild wild west making bandits famous
It was big during the Great Depression with the "Public Enemy" era when the newspapers turned bank robbers into folk heroes.
Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde, etc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_depression-era_outlaws
I just got done watching Sky Vision documentaries on The Black Panther and Frank West and got one on the MacKay guy coming up.
Fred West.
Frank West is the dead rising guy.
Dahmer wanted to build a shrine out of his victims bodies so he could jerk off over it
that boy ain't right
a cop made that to take the piss
Cults.
The crime of “desecration of a body” is pretty rare, most people don’t want to get caught doing that after they murdered someone.
The film editor was on his side.
The shot right before this when the cops file in and do their power rangers routine was so cool.
Same way it happened in The Ritual.
bros what do u get if u replace the H in Hannibal with C?
makes you think doesnt it
>character is named hannibal
>he is also a cannibal
Bravo, Harris.
hetard
At least the original Hannibal was also a very clever and dangerous man. On the most obvious level the name is a shallow pun, but at least there's a little bit of depth to it.
Manhunter depicts Hannibal as a genius but not a supernatural level supergenius. Hannibal already knew and understood Graham by the time we see them meet again in Manhunter; he's able to psychologically abuse Graham because they already knew each other, not because his supergenius gives him borderline telepathy. He doesn't cold-read the guy's entire personal life within five minutes of meeting him, like he does to Clarice in Silence of the Lambs.
And the phone phreaking stuff: very smart, but not a demigod. What he does with the phone is more or less the sort of thing plenty of people knew how to do back then. It's a very clever trick, but it's not superhuman.
>He doesn't cold-read the guy's entire personal life within five minutes of meeting him, like he does to Clarice in Silence of the Lambs.
Your obsession over realism is preventing you from enjoying good cinema. Graham's entire skillset is borderline telepathic. What's wrong with Lecter being the same?
>Your obsession over realism is preventing you from enjoying good cinema.
No, I enjoyed Silence of the Lambs. Still do. But I don't love it, like Manhunter. Manhunter is much better.
>Graham's entire skillset is borderline telepathic.
Yes, I agree with that. And it was corny, very theatrical. But Graham is also shown to be very vulnerable, with a recent history of mental illness and on the verge of a relapse. Graham has unnatural intuitive powers but he's still weak, still human. I think Silence of the Lambs makes Hannibal far too powerful, he has all of Graham's telephathic powers but none of Graham's weakness. The only real weakness Hannibal has is being imprisoned, which he rectifies in a very dramatic and dubious way.
>He doesn't cold-read the guy's entire personal life within five minutes of meeting him, like he does to Clarice in Silence of the Lambs
But he doesn't do this to Clarice in Silence of the Lambs. He just throws out a few Barnum statements that would apply to 90% of young, newly qualified female law enforcement officers with her southern drawl accent. Everything substantial about Clarice's background that Hannibal comes to know is from what she tells him.
He did smell her.
in silence of the lambs he got to read the script albeit
Anyone named Hannibal is doomed from the start.
Imagine if a female character was named Hunt and she was a very b***hy woman.
"Hannibal" isn't for cannibal, it's because he's bisexual
This is why Manhunter is better than Silence of the Lambs.
In Manhunter, Lector is human. He's smart, but not superhuman smart. He's resourceful, but he's not pulling circus acts out of his ass. The most he actually does is taunt the protagonist psychologically, and a little bit of light phone phreaking and social engineering to get the protagonist's home address. He doesn't break out of prison with some insanely clever plot or anything like that.
In Silence of the Lambs, Lector's traits from Manhunter are exaggerated to the point of making Lector a telepathic supergenius demigod.
>to the point of making Lector a telepathic supergenius demigod.
kino
I'd watch that
you tasteless b***hboi
Also this gets worse with each successive movie/book. Lector becomes increasingly godlike. Utterly flanderized.
>kino
>I'd watch that
Then watch Silence of the Lambs.
>Then watch Silence of the Lambs.
no thanks I'm not some ugly tasteless sperg moron
you dull homosexual
>He doesn't break out of prison with some insanely clever plot or anything like that.
If manhunter made you think Lecter was anything other than a super-genius, than that's a failing of the movie and a betrayal of the source material.
Also it pains me that there's people who don't appreciate Hannibal's escape. It's a fantastic sequence.
I liked what they did in Red Dragon.
In the beginning scene where Graham shares his eureka moment with Lecter, Lecter seems like a lot more of a normal person.
It's only after he gets captured and his true self is revealed to the world that he doesn't bother acting normally anymore and he played up his evilness and dark side while in the asylum. No point in hiding or playing the role of a normal person.
Yeah it's like vampires sociopaths have this switch so when you find them out they instantly start acting evil. Clip related.
Lambs is a much better movie than Manhunter and Hopkins owns the role, while nobody remembers Cox. The only reason that movie is ever brought up is because this site has a clinical obsession with contrarianism.
Manhunter filters people who want a Hannibal movie, because it's not really a Hannibal movie at all. Hannibal is in it, but it's not about him.
>The only reason that movie is ever brought up is because this site has a clinical obsession with contrarianism.
It's brought up because it's Michael Mann's best movie, stylish as frick with a very cool sound track. Also the killer is easier to empathize with; a lonely weirdo who wants to feel accepted, rather than a deranged psuedo-troony.
If I wanted to look at David Hockney's A Bigger Splash, I'd buy the painting and hang it on my wall. This shot has no place in a psychological thriller.
Cox was great, on par with Hopkins or very close and Noonan was scary as frick
>Cox
>actor
It's like your mother named you wieners or dick or something.
Came here expecting Manhunter bros and there you are
manhunter is legitimately not very good
He used a block of ice which melted before cops arrived. Learn some lateral thinking.
>Should I use this very brief amount of time I have to begin my escape?
>No, I will make art first.
the art is the point?
Why are you asking me?
It's just a movie anon, I know that, it's all just jokes
It was to distract the cops so they didn't focus too much on him wearing the other dudes face
1)that cage can be used as ladder
2)he has a surgical practice so it is easier for him to disembowel fast
3)the disemboweled man is lighter so easier to drag up
next question?
Manhunter:
>*sniff sniff*
>"that's the same cologne you wore in court."
Silence of the Lambs:
>*sniff sniff*
>"Ah yes, sheep related trauma. I know everything about you Clarice, I smelled your entire life history the moment you set foot in this asylum."
He doesn't understand Clara until she out right tells him her story.
Almost everything he says about her is wrong and is just aimed at getting inside her head rather than be sherlockian deduction.
Manhunter:
>Hannibal talks a secretary into giving him somebody's home address
Silence of the Lambs:
>Hannibal talks a man into eating his own tongue
He “swallowed” his own tongue, which someone can die via serious, convulsive sobbing. I wouldn’t expect anyone talking about manhunter to understand that kind of subtlety though.
Manhunter is let down by its shitty 80's action movie ending, which totally removes the dragon faking his own death, which totally negates the entire point of him having a blind girlfriend. It takes the clever ending of the book, and turns it into 'and then the good guy bursts in and they fight and he shoots him!'
Absolutely ruins the movie.
>which totally negates the entire point of him having a blind girlfriend
The blind girlfriend was purposeful in Manhunter, her blindness is used to explore the killer's deep insecurities about his physical appearance.
You're thinking of red dragon
We're talking about Manhunter, which is Michael Mann's version of Red Dragon. They changed the name because they thought people would expect a kung fu movie. But Manhunter is an adaptation of Red Dragon.
STRONG AS I AM
SOMETHING 'BOUT THIS THING THAT SCARES ME
top kino, Michael Mann at his absolute best.
>cage is used in lieu of ladder
>banners tied to man and cage used as pulleys
>had enough secondary caffeine intake after scarfing down the dude's guts to get those sanic vibes going
Lol that every hannibal movie thread now is now just regurgitating what some youtuber said about the movies.
I hate youtube watching homosexuals like you with all my heart
What do I have to say to appear as an oldgay?
It's a fricking movie.
The fantastical boderline magical shit that Hannibal does is by design.
>The fantastical borderline magical shit that Hannibal does is...
...because Thomas Harris's books became successively shittier as he started pandering to his audience wanting more Hannibal. It's a clear downward trend. Silence of the Lambs is still very good, but is nevertheless part of this downward trajectory.
Physcologist's wet dreams.... or the reverse
There is nothing to suggest it was minutes. It was late and without one of the guards notifying someone downstairs there was no reason to suspect anything was wrong. Lester could have done this over a couple of hours before sending the elevator down to alert the rest of the guards in the building. Also I doubt disemboweling someone takes all that much time once you've made the incision. Getting that body up in that position not going to be easy for one person though, even with all the insides cleared out.
We’re going to need the MYTHBUSTERS for this one
>Myth Busters
>Busters
>Bust
I never noticed it before
>name a canibal that makes lectures
>Hanibal Lecter
on the level of sauronman
cannibal strength
He used his super smart brain to convince the guard to do that to himself.
>buy a cravat, tweed jacket, and some shiny cannibal shoes
>I Have Become The Hunter
>invite an old friend of mine over for dinner...
>confit de hamburger meat, hot pocquette under a bed of marinara sauce with fried pommes du terre
>as I make the feast I imagine that it's the remains of a 23rd year old Slovakian exchange student that I have abducted.
>"wow, nice sloppy joes, anon"
>I can barely control The Beast
>Adam Chaikovsky on the radio and Drive ost
>the finest cranberry juice (Ocean Spray, 2012)
>during dinner I try to probe his mind, trying to somehow decipher the pathetic nature of Humans
>"Do you believe in god, my friend?"
>"Excuse me anon?"
>"G-god must be a madman, lest he choose to be a m-monster"
>triumphantly pop a morsel into my mouth
>it misses, bounces off my cravat
>he leaves early
>I finish the rest of the sloppy joes, content
>at school the next day everyone thinks I'm gay
>apparently my hissing, smirking and staring deep into his eyes was seen as flirtatious behaviour
>the Beast still hungers
Does anyone have the meme pic with the guy in the suit and a piece of bread in his collar?
You can see he's put a rope of some kind around the corpse, thrown the rope over the cage and used the leverage to lift the body up. Then it's just a matter of tying the two arms to the cage and cutting open his stomach.
Hannibal would've known exactly what to do at every moment so not a second went to waste. It's entirely possible and obviously very impressive, befitting his character
>used the leverage to lift the body up
This arrangement of rope gives you no mechanical advantage.
it does when all you have to do is lean back
That only works if Hannibal weighs more than the guard. Which he might. But it's still tough work to haul somebody up like that with no mechanical advantage like real block and tackle would give you.
Particularly since the top of the prison cell isn't really a pulley, the rope will have substantial drag going over the top when being pulled down on both sides.
furthermore there's friction and cannibal is a small man
Tard strength
that whole sequence is cringe capeshit, really weak part of the movie
Silence of the Lambs is a masterpiece, this is the
>why didnt the eagles fly the ring to Mount Doom
simple-mindedness
>why didnt the eagles fly the ring to Mount Doom
Well???
>because uh, they were too arrogant or something
the worst sort of cope
That film made him ridiculously OP. He's just an aged man that doesn't even look strong, would have gotten stabbed or shot by now.
were any of these movies good? The closest one that comes to mind is Red Dragon but even then every scene with Hannibal only serves to make the movie worse, what a cringey character.
Silence of the Lambs is close to flawless, it's an exceptional film.
Manhunter is very good.
Red Dragon is competently done with a great cast.
Hannibal is dogshit.
I haven't seen Hannibal Rising, not remotely interested.
>Red Dragon is competently done with a great cast.
I didn't like Fiennes cast as Dolarhyde, though. he didn't seem physically imposing at all, especially compared with Tom Noonan in Manhunter
>he didn't seem physically imposing at all, especially compared with Tom Noonan in Manhunter
Nowhere near but Tom Noonan is 6'5 so hard to be as imposing. Fiennes did put on a lot of muscle and still did the role well imo.
yeah, his role was fine, he's great in basically everything he's in. he just didn't seem to fit casting-wise, but it's probably just me, because I saw Manhunter shortly before Red Dragon.
>Fans of Hannibal Lector media calling others low IQ while not realizing how low IQ they need to be to like this shit
Irony so thick you could cut it on a plate next to some fava beans and a nice Chianti
back to tiktok asmrs with you, you mentally deficient sperg
The Red dragon from the Hannibal series was laughably bad
yeah, I watched the series and I don't even remember this plot and which actor played him. completely forgettable
handcuffed to the top of the cage probably
A wizard did it.
With his cannibal powers.
He’s telepathic.
you mean telescopic
It's canon that he has a MacGyver like brain. He can just whip up a makeshift contraption to do anything he wants within a few minutes.
How much moore cooler would have been to have Lecter played by Malcolm McDowell?
Two words:
MAGIC REALISM
>Manhunter is good
Fricking pseuds
I agree
Manhunter is not good, it's fantastic