How did left BTFO right so hard? The entire film was an embarrassment but especially that interrogation scene with Riddler spazzing out. A scene added in reshoots written and directed by Zack Snyder makes a better Batman movie than The Batman.
How did left BTFO right so hard? The entire film was an embarrassment but especially that interrogation scene with Riddler spazzing out.
Left is entirely original. You've a post-apocalyptic future with Batman and Joker being friends and wearing crazy clothes.
Right is just that The Dark Knight scene but without any rhyme or reason.
fpbp. Everything about The Batman felt like "didn't we already do this a few years ago in the Dark Knight Trilogy?" It's basically the same concept-- take the world of Batman, suck all the fantasy out of it and make it "real," except it's even darker and grittier and without any of the fanciful technology in the Nolan films.
It wasn't bad but I think people way overhype it. It feels kind of like a fan-film spinoff of the Nolan trilogy. That's not to say it felt cheap or amateurish, but it has that kind of uncanny thing some fan films do where they get really close to matching the style and production quality of the real thing, but you can also tell that their resources are more limited and the actors are just whoever they had to work with, and they did they best they could but it still feels off.
I'm not convinced that The Batman is going to be a franchise after all the behind the scenes reports of what a nightmare the production was. It made 3/4 of a billion dollars and probably got a ton of views on HBO, but was that enough to justify all of the headaches the production caused for the studio? Especially when, allegedly, it was the most expensive Batman film ever made? It looks like a $100 million movie, but with all the rewrites and reshoots it apparently cost close to $300 million.
Other movies in the franchise did a lot more with a lot less, and personally I feel like if we have to suck all the fantasy out of the Batman IP, it's probably time to move on to something other than superheroes.
Hit the nail in the coffin. The problem is that directors just want emulate Nolan's sense of realism, when even Nolan never went too far-fetched with the realism. Director's are too afraid to make Batman the fantastical character he's supposed to be. This is why we are never going to see characters like Killer Croc, Luchador Bane, Mister Freeze, Clayface, Maxie Zeus, Lazarus addicted Ra's, and Posion Ivy on the big-screen.
And the worst thing is that the tickets for the movie had a cost overrun and even then it didn't reach a billion
Name one thing this movie did that Nolan also did.
>there's an interrogation scene!
Of course there is. Nearly every Batman comic has one.
>there's a realistic Batman!
Okay? You got a comic book one with Affleck.
What did Reeves copy?
this joker will be shit but normies will eat it up and some will even compare it to joaquer and ledger. At this point Im convinced that most people have no soul/can’t tap into the objective realities of the universe to understand whats actually good and whats inherently bad. And no it doesn’t change even if 99% of humans think the bad thing is “good”. It is still objectively bad.
Also all my opinions are facts and the people I disagree with are wrong, unironically
>this joker will be shit but normies will eat it up
the batman was a flop especially with normies, Suicide Squad was a hit with them
>the batman was a flop especially with normies
not true at all, it was a pretty mainstream film, especially among capeshit fans and widely regarded as better than the the nolan trilogy.
I just thought it was an unnecessary, mediocre flick
>especially among capeshit fans and widely regarded as better than the the nolan trilogy.
But in reality that didn't happen.
Have you been living under a rock?
There was a brief buzz about The Batman that was gone after a week, people soured on it quickly.
Wonder how you got to that conclusion, everywhere on social media I saw people saying it was better than the nolan trilogy, even the threads on this board the general consensus is just that.
>everywhere on social media I saw people saying it was better than the nolan trilogy
The fuck are you talking about? TDK beat it in many polls in all the internet. TDK is still loved by everyone.
Doesn’t seem that unanimous to me
The only good character in suicide squad was Boomerang
are you fucking kidding me
left is plastic capeshit
right is hardcore acting
Jared Leto better than Classic Paul Dano?
NO NO NO NO NO
And Ben Affleck looks like he's literally wearing a puffed-up Halloween costum
>hardcore acting
The way Paul Dano snaps was kino
cope
It was embarrassing anon multiple people were snickering in my theater.
>right is hardcore acting
Reminder that Reeves cast a literally who as the joker, made him hideous and already locked because he doesn't want to use the joker in the sequel
That was one of the worst parts of the movie. Why even bother?
>I'll be useful sir-man
Do you have an opinion of your own or are you writing a Yelp review?
My opinion is that it was a shitty scene in an even shittier movie. Matt Reeves direction is TV tier and his writing is atrocious.
Yeah, the writing was cringe. But the acting in that scene was phenomenal. That's the only thing that really matters to me in a movie. The whole movie was worth it just to see Paul Dano wrench away from the glass into the room corner.
The acting was fucking awful.
You've Pattinson doing the same shit he did throughout the entire movie - look around the room as a brooding homosexual than look direct at the camera with an annoyed face before making a face as if he was about to cry.
You also have Dano sperging like a motherfucker overracting.
>overracting
lol okay, that's totally not what losers do when their reality gets shattered. People have freakouts like that, anon. I have seen Dano's full range and he was not overacting. Pattinson is a lesser actor, but he had a good reaction with the "He doesn't know it's me" twist because of how fast he turned the tables, which let Dano take control of the scene but not dominate it.
I can't recall a single scene from MCU/DCEU that captures that intensity between two morally opposed psychos. Not even Ledger's Joker had that level of chemistry with Bale. The only reason Dano didn't match Phoenix is because Dano was hardly in the movie.
>Not even Ledger's Joker had that level of chemistry with Bale.
Man, you're fucking tripping.
Ledger is a better actor than Dano, but he didn't play off Bale as well as Dano did Pattinson. That might just be the Batman/Joker dynamic not translating as well to the big screen in individual scenes, though.
I'm sorry that Dano BTFO your favorite capeshit dynamic in the span of five minutes, but that's how it goes. Purist adaptations always translate poorly between mediums.
>Not even Ledger's Joker had that level of chemistry with Bale.
Might be the worst take I've seen on this board and that's saying something.
They came off as separate walls in their individual interactions, not as clashing forces. There was a connection between them about violence, but no mutual charisma. Ledger just outshined Bale in every scene. That's what overacting really is. And he died for it too lol
thats nolans frigid directing. i feel the same about the dano-pattinson scene, they feel like theyre in the same room. also pattinson weighing his manipulation on dano is very subtle but effective too.
>they feel like theyre in the same room
I could not agree more. There's a wall between them, but they're close enough psychologically to stab a dagger in the other's heart. And then you get that moment of clarity "He's the only one we didn't get" and Dano instantly becomes the clear villain. Predictable, maybe. I wasn't trying to think too hard about an off-brand Batman movie. But I definitely perked up during the Batman/Riddler confrontation.
That and the Penguin being low-key hilarious.
>AM I THE ONLY PERSON WHO KNOWS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EL AND LA?
While also being low-key woke.
I saw it once and this is why I liked it. I rewatch a lot of things, but this isn't one of them
Who gives a shit what about behind-the-scenes?
Stop responding yourself.
Anon is the kind of guy who buys the hype and gets all worked up for a movie, then rewatches it and realizes it was shit.
>But the acting in that scene was phenomenal.
It was very clear Dano was given zero direction beyond 'act weird!' or 'act retarded' and just phoned it. He looked visibly frustrated during the reshot scenes.
rn watching that joker scene. whats with the aspect ratio, is that native imax? the crazy bokeh tells me it is, but just to be sure.
i dont watch capeshit but that whole scene looks very good.
The DCEU cast are mostly incredibly shitty people, and they're basically all miscast, but somehow they work out when Zack is producing if not directing. It's really weird the effect the Snyders have on certain people
The right scene was good.
You just expected to get something else and called what you got shit based on nothing.
Snydershills are truly something else
People didn't audibly laugh at Snyder's films in the theater.
What scene from The Batman got the biggest laugh at your theatre? For me it was the guy with bomb collar and a phone taped to his hand.
I actually left the theater about 45 minutes into the film, so I probably missed the biggest laugh moments like Riddler's spazz attack, but people giggled at the reveal of Riddler at the beginning of the film. He looks so stupid with his gimp mask just standing there trying to be ominous.
My friend didn't see the trailers.
She burst out laughing at the I am Vengeance scene.
I thoguht the new batman was decent. I kind of was actually interested in finding out who the rat was and evyerhting , i normally dont really give a shit about the plot in these movies
if you watched left or right unironically, you could die right now and the world wouldn't miss you.
you are worthless.
okay watched both scenes, and both work. also both leagues above marvel shit.
my problem is with the interrogatory, dano was good, the batman seems like he runs out of acting halfway. the music was way too obvious, should have used something else.
The Batman was the best superhero movie I’ve seen.
>The Batman was the best superhero movie I’ve seen.
ESLs need to leave
IMDB scores
>Batman Begins(2005) - 8.2
>The Dark Knight(2008) - 9.0
>The Dark Knight Rises(2012) - 8.4
>Batman vs Superman(2016) - 6.4
>Suicide Squad(2016) - 5.9
>Birds of Prey(2020) - 6.0
>The Suicide Squad(2021) - 7.2
>The Batman(2022) - 7.9
>IMpajeet
worthless
The only film on there that was unduly criticized was BvS. The rest are accurate.
Batman sucks shit. I'll never watch that movie again.
OP, this is one of, if not the worst fucking take I've ever had the displeasure of reading. It's seeing posts like these that make me want to leave this site forever and never look back on the retardation that festers here.
Genuinely, unironically believing that Jared Fucking Leto gives a better performance in a CG scene than two actors who can actually act is embarrassing.
You have shit taste and I don't know if it can ever be cured.
>Genuinely, unironically believing that Jared Fucking Leto gives a better performance in a CG scene than two actors who can actually act is embarrassing.
He did.
>a MoThEr? A fAtHeR? An AdOpTeD SoN?
Fuck off Sneederpajeet. You're not convincing because even the absolute lowest of the low scum on this planet would have fucking taste and the common sense to know that Leto butchers that entire fucking shitshow of a scene.
>>a MoThEr? A fAtHeR? An AdOpTeD SoN?
Better acting than NOOOOOO NOOOOOO WHAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Yes. I've worked with autistic kids my whole life and that's exactly how they act when they break down. It's clear that's what Riddler was and it was executed perfectly.
Leto, beyond being given the direction to "act kooky" speaks with the respectable confidence of an MCR song and behaves like someone trying too hard to make an impact.
So shit character acted retarded and that's brilliant because...? Despite same retard being able to easily kill several high profile people single handedly.
Great character acted retarded because imagine being mentally ill and basing your entire crusade on a figure that rejects you in your prime moment? Being socially unskilled and mental would result in that reaction, not some calculated, cold reply that normie cinema would portray.
>Whimsical
>Flamboyant
Neither of those, but definitely not fucking whimsical. It's cringe and bizarre acting that has nothing to do with the character unlike Riddler's reaction which is set up by him being fucking unstable and clearly ill.
Who is Leto's Joker? What is he like? Why would he reply like this? Who knows? He only got ten minutes of screentime in Suicide Squad and what we got was shit.
>Great character acted retarded because imagine being mentally ill and basing your entire crusade on a figure that rejects you in your prime moment?
The Riddler in the movie is capable of kidnapping, assassinating, and creating death traps as if he was 47 Agent, but then he turns into a fucking random retard just because the movie now needs to hit the audience with a hammer with its woke message that vigilante justice is bad mkay, and white lonely guys are like dangerous mkay.
>you must be a sane chad in order to build things to torture people with and Riddler was suddenly not a sane chad and that made me sad
not the dude you're arguing with, but that's a shit fucking take and anyone who isn't disabled could refute it
Do you see random Cinemaphilener retards physically taking down chief of polices, mayors, or DAs out there? Or building complex death traps and getting away with it?
That shit doesn't happen. The best they can do is randomly shoot up schools and such.
he didn't get away with it
and yes, retards take out political figures
once again, shit take
You cant complain "shit like that doesn't happen" when its about a man in a bat suit who tries to prevent a city from being flooded.
You should just stop watching media all together.
So i can't complain about characters not making sense in a movie that tries to sell itself as gritty and realistic as fucking Seven?
Two pictures too many and the characters and the movie itself is retarded for not doing the obvious every viewer is thinking about. Throughout the whole movie i kept questioning myself why Batman wasn't investigating the building, or where the materials for the elaborate deathtraps could have come from, or the website Riddler was posting in, and the answer for all that is because the movie was fucking dumb as shit and the director needed the plot to follow as the way it did for the "cool" factor.
This movie was dumber than Venom 2, and that was dumb as shit.
You just can't fathom why the building thing is stupid so we'll move past that.
>elaborate deathtraps
He built them tard. Batman needed to track materials such as "pipes" and "duct tape"?
>website
I doubt that was a domain Riddler made. It seemed like a Cinemaphile type site. So what would be the point of tracking the origin of the website's maker? You'll no doubt say, "He should've tracked Riddler!" but Riddler probably used some sort of system jammer, and at this point in his career, it's clear Batman doesn't have all the technological resources. That's why we watch him grow.
>So what would be the point of tracking the origin of the website's maker?
They would at the very least be able to know what Riddler and his followers were planning.
The movie is dumb and so is you.
Tracking the location of the website owner would lead them to Riddler's plan?
Are you fucking stupid?
>so is you
Oh. You are.
>Tracking the location of the website owner would lead them to Riddler's plan?
They could keep an eye on the website and see the posters planning the fucking attack. They could trace the IP. They could investigate the video or images. They could do a number of things that real police do. Even police in stupid serial crime shows do.
>and at this point in his career, it's clear Batman doesn't have all the technological resources.
Dude made contacts capable of recording image and sound, please.
>HOW SHE SUFFERED SO!!!
you do have shit taste if you think leto did good
For a mocking gesture? Yes. Joker is whimsical and flamboyant in that scene. As he is supposed to be.
>Genuinely, unironically believing that Jared Fucking Leto gives a better performance in a CG scene than two actors who can actually act is embarrassing.
My greatest pleasure in life is watching losers like you scoff at these takes only to adopt them a few years later once it's safe to do so. Pathetic weak behavior.
>My greatest pleasure in life is watching losers like you scoff at these takes only to adopt them a few years later once it's safe to do so. >Pathetic weak behavior.
As if your braindead fucking take is worth "adopting". That shit should be aborted, not adopted. Your take isn't intelligent, nor is it valuable. It comes from the minds of the same homosexuals who make scam calls.
>That shit should be aborted
>I drink your milkshake! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!111111111
except Reeves film felt like reading a Batman comic while Snyder's felt like sitting through fanfic that wasn't worth reading...
>except Reeves film felt like reading a Batman comic
One that was written by a hack?
nah one that was written by someone who finally understood the character more than Nolan
say "hack" all you want it doesn't make it true
>nah one that was written by someone who finally understood the character more than Nolan
>Batman is dumb
>Batman wears invincible armor
>Batman isn't stealthy
>Batman doesn't know how to fight
>Batman only goes after petty crime
>Batman doesn't know corruption exists
>Batman kills
Great understanding.
>Batman is dumb
Quite the opposite. He solves every riddle and only lets the final clue slip his mind because he thinks Riddler knows his identity. He was incredibly smart.
>Wears invincible armor
No. The film clearly shows it degrading throughout the runtime. From bullets to the bridge, the suit shows wear and tear until it is finally broken by the shotgun blast. But you'd have to have basic comprehension skills to have spotted that.
>Batman isn't stealthy
Intro scene, Batmobile reveal, final entrance into the Iceberg Lounge, elevator with goons. That's plenty of stealthy bat.
>Batman doesn't know how to fight.
He certainly does. He takes out every opponent he faces physically. Even the one Catwoman took out at first is stopped officially by him.
>Batman only goes after petty crime
Obviously not if he got Joker in Year One
>Batman doesn't know corruption exists
Why should he after only one year as Batman?
>Batman kills
He does not. Not one death. The pileup in the car chase is caused by Penguin and there's no proof of casualties and there's no other instance of him killing.
It is a great understanding. I'm glad we agree.
I am not going to read that wall of text, you homosexual. Batman couldn't solve shit and didn't even know proper Spanish despite being a rich kid. The movie was fucking retarded and the characters nonsensical.
Take that jail scene. The Riddler says that he needed Batman because Batman was his muscle while he was the mind behind the operation, but throughout the whole movie the Riddler is the one personally attacking everyone physically without any issue. He's never shown as physically incapable or weak. Batman also never helps him other than falling for the traps like a fucking retard. There is not rapport between the characters. There is not even a good reason for why the Riddler cares so much about the Batman other than the movie needing Batman to (failing) solve the riddlers.
Of course you didn't read it. Many people avoid facing their downfall head-on.
He knew the Spanish was wrong, and you not knowing that proves your observational incompetence. Alfred had told him previously but he went down another route of investigation.
He needed Batman's physicality when it came to leading people in the right places at the right time. He could handle killing fat politicians because anyone could, but when it came to actual physical threats he needed Batman's help.
Batman accidentally helped him several times by going down wrong avenues of investigation and buying him time for his plan to pan out. The reason Riddler cares so much about Batman is because his vigilantism inspired his vigilantism.
Once again, it requires observation. Which is something you lack.
>He needed Batman's physicality as a tour guide
LMAO
Dude, give up. The movie is Laws & Order: Special Victims Unit levels of retarded. In any decent crime movie the following pic would have happened and that would be it.
That's the stupidest argument that chuds on this site continue to push forward as if it contains intellectual merit.
>let's look at every single building next to the crime scene because there's no way someone simply went on top of a building on some random night and took a photo. He must live somewhere near there!
That's truly grasping for straws.
>>let's look at every single building next to the crime scene because there's no way someone simply went on top of a building on some random night and took a photo.
The movie literally shows you the Riddler at that same fucking building watching down the club at several points throughout the movie.
Why are you this retarded? You posted an image in which the characters were speaking, I refuted the image also through the perspective of the characters. Therefore, the information they would have regarding this avenue of investigation is to look through random buildings, since they don't know Riddler lives and operates out of one building.
You're wasting my fucking time at this point if that's where your argument is at.
The image exist because the movie shows us the characters getting a bunch of pictures of high-profile people leaving the club and all the pictures are from the same vantage point: a building across the club.
If this was fucking Bourch or something Detective Bourch would have checked the building out.
Later the movie keeps showing you that same building and Riddler standing there at the window as a gotcha miss-and-you-see-it. Then later Batman learns the Riddler was always in that building planning his next big attack. He fucking kills Falcone from that bulding, for fuck's sake.
The movie is just too fucking retarded.
Two pictures. One of the mayor, one of the commissioner.
Both are taken from "high above" angle. So, that's any building taller than the Iceberg Lounge? They have to check every building during the beginning of the investigation?
I know how it ends, but if we're thinking through the characters, they don't. So if they are stupid enough to do what you say they should do, all they have to go on is to search every place near the Iceberg Lounge that is taller than the Iceberg Lounge because someone could've taken a photo from there.
How are you not getting this?
STOP FIGHTING THESE FUCKING IDIOTS
You're wasting your time and this thread will be up forever if you keep trying to explain shit
>They have to check every building during the beginning of the investigation?
They would have spent less time investigating every building in front of the club than whatever retarded shit they did, where all their information came from some random and convenient as fuck thug Catwoman kidnapped.
Shit movie for retards who think they are smart.
He was a cop. A cop who was directly involved with everything.
You are the retard. You try to dispute a film you didn't even understand. They would need warrants to search all of those buildings. The film took place over a week. In that corrupt system, it would take more than a week to get those warrants.
>They would need warrants to search all of those buildings.
>Batman
>needing warrant
>despite clocking cops and escaping murderous cops
>you need a warrant to ask landlords for their cooperation.
???
This but the opposite
oooooh, what comic is that accurately adapting!
oh shit. it's made up claptrap? damn...
Snyder already gave us the most comic accurate batsuit he earned the right to experiment a bit.
Also that knightmare look became so iconic they included it in the comics.
https://www.cbr.com/batman-v-superman-knightmare-dc-comics-canon/
Pattinson's is more comic accurate than that.
Best thing about it is the cowl. Rest is cheap duct tape with a rectangle in the center.
>Pattinson's is more comic accurate than that.
How when he looks like a Metal Gear Solid character and is invincible?
>Pattinson's is more comic accurate than that.
Are you retarded? How is armor plated tacticool shit more comics accurate?
Afflecks is literally ripped directly from TDKR minus the undies. Which comic is Pattinsons suit from?
Warner hasn't even announced a sequel for the Batman.
Yes they did.