>I can fix her

This board wasn’t talking about it. Twitter wasn’t talking about it.

Which website should they go for reader feedback o all knowing one?

>The worst possible way anyone could’ve wasted an MXYL Universe arc
>Ruining Rouge’s character again
>An FCBD issue dedicated to showing how powerful and unstoppable Sonic is and how useless and worhless all his friends and rivals are in comparison and how they couldn’t hope to even compare
>Journey to the East, an interesting concept that of course must be wasted on 4 issues of Sally doing political shit
>King Naugus, which of course results in nothing except MORE political shit
>Mecha Sally, a test in just how long Ian can stretch his arcs for no reason at all
>The planned ensuing arc wherein Sonic would go looking for “real” Sally
>The Unleashed adaptation, and spending literally all of Reboot on it
And of course
>The 2nd Megaman Crossover, a crossover so unbelievably terrible and so expensive, that put so many of Archie’s IP eggs into one basket that the ensuing terrible quality, overstretched plot where nothing happens in most of the issues, badly stitched-in Zeti, useless should-be MVP characters like X, overly shilled original OCs that everyone hated (cough cough XANDER PAYNE) and idiotic one-issue deus ex machinas designed to remove all stakes nearly bankrupted Archie and was THE driving force behind their decision to cancel Archie. An arc so goddamn fricking terrible it got Archie Sonic cancelled forever. That’s what the 2nd Megaman crossover is.
“b-but muh pellerito scapegoat!”
The job of a writer is to make writing entertaining. If Flynn cannot even do that to keep the sales of that arc up to even the usual standard of reboot issues, then he is a terrible writer.
Fact of the matter is Ian’s Archie run was garbage, people hold him in high status because he came off the back of Penders.
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>The worst possible way anyone could’ve wasted an MXYL Universe arc
>Ruining Rouge’s character again
>An FCBD issue dedicated to showing how powerful and unstoppable Sonic is and how useless and worhless all his friends and rivals are in comparison and how they couldn’t hope to even compare
>Journey to the East, an interesting concept that of course must be wasted on 4 issues of Sally doing political shit
>King Naugus, which of course results in nothing except MORE political shit
>Mecha Sally, a test in just how long Ian can stretch his arcs for no reason at all
>The planned ensuing arc wherein Sonic would go looking for “real” Sally
>The Unleashed adaptation, and spending literally all of Reboot on it
And of course
>The 2nd Megaman Crossover, a crossover so unbelievably terrible and so expensive, that put so many of Archie’s IP eggs into one basket that the ensuing terrible quality, overstretched plot where nothing happens in most of the issues, badly stitched-in Zeti, useless should-be MVP characters like X, overly shilled original OCs that everyone hated (cough cough XANDER PAYNE) and idiotic one-issue deus ex machinas designed to remove all stakes nearly bankrupted Archie and was THE driving force behind their decision to cancel Archie. An arc so goddamn fricking terrible it got Archie Sonic cancelled forever. That’s what the 2nd Megaman crossover is.
“b-but muh pellerito scapegoat!”
The job of a writer is to make writing entertaining. If Flynn cannot even do that to keep the sales of that arc up to even the usual standard of reboot issues, then he is a terrible writer.
Fact of the matter is Ian’s Archie run was garbage, people hold him in high status because he came off the back of Penders.
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>THE driving force behind their decision to cancel Archie.
Damn I didn't know this. is this true? I thought it was ultimately caused by Penders

>Penders caused a Reboot to get rid of his author-owned characters for legal reasons
Thank god for that, the guy was obsessed with making Knuckles the de facto main character for some reason and gave him hundreds of relatives.

Literally none of Penders characters were good, Surge is already better than anything he ever created.

She is way better than Scourge, Sourge was just alternate universe Sonic but evil copying DC Ultraman like a hundred other mainstream franchises did, what would make him a mediocre character if he didn't want to take over the world for literally no reason at all even though that would never fit Sonic character even if he was evil making him and his story just trash.

competency and power level are irrelevant to writing quality or even fun, in fact the generic shitty fan fiction donut OC villain or mary sue new character is nearly 100% of the time overpowered

That's bullshit half of all iconic villains are hardly a threat to the hero, half of Batman and Spider-Man villains are punchbags.

Nearly no Batman villain even beat him but Joker and Ra, if you are including short lived victories Surge did actually beat Sonic into submission and only lost in the end due to getting to emotionally carried making her gadgets drain her energy rather than Sonic actually finding a way to beat her.

Not him, but give me a Penguin story like that.

That's what I said, they all had short lived victories, Surge actually managed to overpower and subdue Sonic and would kill him if she didn't frick up everything by herself.

Anon, if a 12 year girl manage to take you down, immobilize you while threatening to beat you to death you while you shit yourself in fear like Surge did to Sonic just to spare your life due to having a breakdown no one will think you "won"

A breakdown isn’t passing out from exhaustion, it’s proving she needed heavy drugs and steroids and a super suit that feeds off her blood to last 5 seconds in a fight with you, and then she loss anyway because she couldn’t even use those various moronic buffs long enough to beat you because you’re a badly written gary stu

>rather than being cold and just killing him like she could
She couldn’t. She was trying to kill him the entire fight and yet couldn’t land a single hit until she overloaded it. Same with their fight previous. Try again.

Her trauma didn’t frick shit, in the first fight he’s running circles around her and tripping her on buckets while complaining about his broken ankle. In the second fight she cannot land a single hit while he’s just casually chatting the entire time. The only time she ever manages to land anything is when she overloads it to TRY and kill him. The overloading defeats her, and the overloading is the only thing that gave her even the smallest semblance of a chance of winning.
She lost because they didn’t wanna show their boring cardboard gary stu actually being outmatched by anyone. Even with all those advantages she could only look like she’s doing anything by killing herself.

>She couldn’t
Yes she could, she got overwhelmed due to her emotions rather than needing to use more power than she could and Sonic can't claim it as his victory because he didn't even outsmarted her, her trauma just fricked her in the very last second. She pulled the typical Thanos "I would totally win if I didn't sabotage myself" shit.

Dude, she got him cornered, defenseless at her mercy and didnt kill him due to her own emotions fricking her, trying to describe her previous dowturns it does not change what happened, she went further than most villains do

Really looks like she pushed herself too far to try and kill Sonic. If she didnt literally overload herself and destroyed the dynamo-cage she would not have best Sonic. That is to say, she wouldnt have had the power normally to do it and did not have enough power even pushing herself to the point she exploded. That's like the full 200% she could do and it wasnt enough.

She's just second rate. She cannot even muster the power to kill Sonic and is not nearly smart enough to outwit, let's be real. She will always break

Because she is second rate.

Yes she did, Sonic was just defenseless and could only watch in horror as she was ready to execute him

I’m going to give you a piece of advice for Cinemaphile and the internet in general, if it seems like someone is arguing in bad faith stop wasting your time arguing with them.

It was made very clear that Sonic’s fight against Surge was a VERY close call for Sonic. The big gasp he takes on the next page after the panel where he’s just laying there indicates he had even stopped breathing even after he was no longer underwater. If Surge hadn’t overloaded her equipment she would have won. This is made very clear, clear enough that children would understand it.

If you point this out you get responses like

>Surge actually managed to overpower and subdue Sonic
Not really.

Just dont bother wasting your time man.

>“If Surge hadn’t overloaded her equipment”
>needs various equipment and to overload it all to even be allowed to LOOK like she’s winning over the self-insert gary stu
>loses because she overloaded it, something she had to do to even look like she was winning any ground in the fight
>Sonic is fine and cracking cringy oneliners and rescuing a helpless Tails the next page
You display a serious problem with projection, anon. You should look into these various insecurities of yours over a shit furry gary stu being addressed as a shit furry gary stu before they spiral out of control

Fair to say surge zaps to the extreme?

>Surge actually managed to overpower and subdue Sonic and would kill him if she didn't frick up everything by herself.
It's not that impressive considering
>She jury rigged herself basically a super form with Eggman's tech
>Sonic wasn't really trying to fight her, just talk her down
>Surge had the advantage with all the water conducting her powers
>When Sonic finally slips and she lands a good hit, she immediately burns herself out
>Sonic is barely any worse for wear, he's up and running a few moments later
She had every advantage and barely got an "ouch" out of Sonic.

>She practically solo’d sonic, eggman and metal.
No, she just used Eggman's machine to drain Metal Sonic's power. She even ran away from the heroes earlier on in the story.
A curiously recurring plot element is that she needs Kit and/or a water source to conduct her powers more effectively. She's never beaten anyone 1v1 without Kit's assistance in some way.

>Surge does not win if she use tricks

Detective Comics 14
Batman gets his shit smacked-in by Poison Ivy, whose out to try and kill Penguin
Penguin was smarter than both of them and boobytrapped the place leaving them both for dead
Carries unconscious Ivy off to torture her to death in his own privacy, leaves Batman alive out of respect
Batman wakes up and starts getting his face smacked-in by Clayface
Next issue he gets beat up by a mindraped Clayface, runs for his life back to the Batcave, comes back later in a suit designed to break his mindrape, Clayface busts up the street in a rage and Bruce runs off admitting he doesn’t want to face Clayface when he’s in this state

>Penguin won thanks to his tricks
bruh

Both got tiny victories for a moment and got fricked later dumbass

She was seconds from killing Sonic, man.

You’re now crying like a fat little gay because you’re now incapable of mental gymnastics around the fact Surge tried her hardest to kill Sonic and failed because she was too weak to use her own powerup and Sonic’s a shitty gary stu for self-inserters. While other enemies like Penguin try a little to beat Batman and succeed, and he only lives because Penguin wants him to live.

But please do go off and seethe like a b***h in your own time. We both know you have no real argument than popping a blood vessel

She was seconds from killing Sonic, man.

Surge didn’t have Sonic at her mercy, because she died even trying to get to that point. She was powerless to do anything to Sonic unless she killed herself, and so she did kill herself to even try to get an upperhand, and so she lost because she killed herself and couldn’t kill Sonic despite trying.
Penguin tries to knock out Batman, succeeds, then lets him go.
Surge tries to kill Sonic, fails, then Sonic walks off while she’s dead from the very attempt.

Namegays get no superiority anywhere but reddit, Boco. You’ve already admitted you’re a queer with low-t and a tiny dick who can’t even produce testosterone

>No, she just used Eggman's machine to drain Metal Sonic's power.
Right, she used her powerup to beat him.

>that page
Say what you will about Surge crying, I like that she’ll whip back and forth between being overconfident and despairing. Helps her feel like a mentally unwell character, which she is.

Anon please, Underground is too kino to be in a filthy modern sonic thread.

Yeah, I mean 50 had so much hype and fan art then she got one sided beat down. She was getting ragdolled and looney tuned then you had the infamous bucket scene.

YES, exactly why even go to the OCs all they did was have the gay ass tangle and whisper fight scene end. Oh wow thanks for taking us away from seeing the most game characters in one place in forever to see the crying lesbians cry over some bs. I also like whisper but I swear tangle drags her character down to shit tier.

Again it felt like nothing because we focused more on the Ocs walking around and talking about tumblr tier drama about low confidence and trauma they have. Over seeing all the game characters literally fighting a army of shadows and classic eggman bots which sounds like something kid me would have squealed about like a lil girl.

Yeah everyone I know hates lanolin, but we didn't get the benefit of seeing her as a sexy sheep Oc made by ABT like most of Cinemaphile and /sthg/ did. So to me she's just as you said boring, and worse because I know she's ABT pet project Oc which somehow makes her cringer than even Tangle. Really it make no sense for her to order anyone around characters when she joined the not freedom fighters like 4 months ago in world canon. How can she talk shit to Silver the hero of their world and Whisper a veteran soldier, her being a leader makes no sense and yeah tangle is just there to simp for whisper and get her to cry. As people have said lanolin's really just fake sally.

You aren't wrong the villians are at least fun even Zavok had a good arc in Bad Guys.

I hope with my whole heart too anon but odds are they'll either go good or have more cringe surge crying bs.
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To be fair that's not fair as she's ABT oc and he really pushed her himself. So fans were like "yo who is this character we keep seeing" and unlike other bg characters she got unique poses and expressions so she felt less stock. Of course a fan would wonder who they are.

>As people have said lanolin's really just fake sally.
Absolutely.

>You aren't wrong the villians are at least fun even Zavok had a good arc in Bad Guys.
Yeah bad guys was the second highest point after imposter syndrome, maybe equal to it. I really didnt want to like zavok or any part of the deadly shits but the comic got me to come around, he was a good part of that mini.

Thank you anon, I swear also remember she canon joined the restoration after sometimes after issue 1. Meaning even Tangle has more experience than her, also how can you command people when you've never even saved the world. Even Whisper has helped saved the world like twice
>metal sonic
>zeti's/metal virus

But somehow a rookie that has only been around since a bit before the metal virus can talk down to her and Silver. I remember me and my buddies were saying how Silver would rape the Diamond cutters in a fight he is literally the only one with a real power and experience, even Mimic a assassin was like oh frick Silver is him.

>Silver: can I please join your team
>Lanolin: Idk if you can be part of our team silver you are inexperienced
>Me: b***h you are the rookie wtf

God that whole mini arc relied on you either not knowing sonic, or turning your brain off. Whisper knows mimic best, lanolin has no experience with him but she tells her she's wrong. Also the joke of silver and whisper being bad at hiding was dumb whisper is a sniper how is she bad at hiding.

That issue really requires the reader to turn their brain off. Silver is closer to Sonic and Shadow in power level than 99% of the cast and has tons of experience, Lanolin of all characters is gonna be in charge of him? And a b***h to him and give him a trial period? The sniper being unable to hide is a good point too. Whole issue was just dumb.

Where he also trips up is that he feels that Sonic should explain himself. Sonic should never be "preachy", he's a man of action. Hell, Ian's Sonic is too chatty in general. Knowing when Sonic should just be silent would do the character wonders. Pic related.

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He's just Snively 2: Platypus Boogaloo.

>Sonic should never be "preachy", he's a man of action.
Also a good point.

>it's so obvious ABT wanted her to be the new sally which is sad as her backstory doesn't lend to it at all.
>She was meant to be Sally, but she is nothing like Sally because they failed to make her the new Sally.

fr fr, thank you. Thats whats happening. They are so bad they can't even make the comic like Archie, but yet try to please me.

How is she like Sally beyond being a leader?

What?

It does feel that way especially since they keep making metal a nothingburger jobber. But then give a great arc to mecha that could have gone to metal who they obviously have no interest in doing anything with.

Exactly why I said get rid of them all the girl is just the girl, and the old man is the basic sensei but he has no especial love for any of them fundamentally making him a irrelevant mentor/sensei. Zavok is at least the big bad of the team and already has had a arc in the comic which they could just keep playing off of.

Ikr how does that work, child with no powers or experience who is hungry and needs a place to stay just give him a job, but the demigod with time powers no no he's to weak and childish to be a real soldier lol.

That's right. Silver doesn't have a rank in Restoration and so is not a soldier, which is how Lanolin is his superior officer.

I mean, that's still insane he was apart of it before the name shift and was a leader of the og war version of the organization

The problem is that power level wanking is all Surge has going for her. Her backstory is weak, her motives are even weaker, and her personality is generic at best. Her only redeeming qualities are her design and the idea that she MIGHT pose a threat to Sonic.

Citation needed.

He didn't beat up Scourge, he just talked him down and warned him that Sonic would be royally pissed if Scourge killed him.

Scourge is genuinely a whiny tryhard punk, but he's a whiny punk who can at least win fights and is a major threat to the good guys. Surge needs powerups just to job to a crippled Sonic.

>Broly is the coolest, his power is maximum

Pilaf is Goku first arch enemy and the villain that got the highest number of appearences by far.

several dragonball villains had no chance to win but were not joke villains either, the Red Army mostly jobbed to Goku

motherfricker if your villain isn't even remotely close to a threat nobody can be invested in the story because theres 0 stakes

He didn't beat up Scourge, he just talked him down and warned him that Sonic would be royally pissed if Scourge killed him.

Scourge is genuinely a whiny tryhard punk, but he's a whiny punk who can at least win fights and is a major threat to the good guys. Surge needs powerups just to job to a crippled Sonic.

>muh power level
Seriously? Didn't you learn after 20 years of memes mocking powerlevel bullshit?

Surge nearly murdered Sonic in their last fight. Obviously it wasn't gory because it was a kids' comic, but the dude got electrocuted so hard he seemed surprised to be alive.

Surge is a cringy crying dyke just like everyone else in the comic.

indeed

And look where Archie's at now. Their cash cow ended months ago. The only things keeping them relevant are the horror comics and crossovers with Dynamite

a bit hamstrung by the fact Sega had made the Freedom Fighters unworkably redundant to have around.

Sally was always redundant. Sonic doesn't need a leader or someone to tardwrangle him.

Bunnie is made redundant by way of Knuckles for strength or Tails for tech.

Didn't Bunnie's extendo-arm stop being a thing after her "sexy" upgrade?

She still had it, but I think she lost it in the reboot.

>Bunnie is strong

Knuckles, Mighty and Vector

>and can fly.

Tails, Rouge and Charmy

>Autistic categorization
Never write stories, please.

>You could potentially replace the function of the character!
Again, like I said, autistic categorization. The story isn't real. Threats characters like Bunnies face exist so she can tackle them.

They can’t. Knuckles can glide but he can’t fly, and in archie he’s never been strong enough to sink a giant ship. In Fleetway maybe but in archie he gets knocked out by single swatbots.
Some situations are better suited to more versatile characters.
Rouge can fly but she’s never been written this way in the comic, able to just ram through giant ships.
Powerlevelz moronation nonwithstanding. Bunnie is written to be typically able to do shit like this, Knuckles and Tails and the rest are not.

I'm agreeing with you. I was saying only two of them even sort of kind of fit even if you want to play into this silly shape matching exercise.

Knuckles and Rouge, but not exactly in either case.

I care less about redundant niches/powersets if the personality is unique enough to make them stand out, and Bunny had that in spades. You are correct that Sally sucks shit, though.

1. My ass. He finally got off his ass and started using them at the end of the reboot.
2. The FF has utility as characters, not a set of abilities. There was no sense clinging to them for so long if Ian didn't want to actually use them in his stories. Either stop forcing them to be "main characters" or use your main characters.

What expansion? The only characters who did anything that entire years-long arc was Scourge and the Hedgehogs again while Kintobor and the SS just sat around twiddling their thumbs crying about how “scawwy” muh Scourge is, and it’s confirmed they were never going to use that setting ever again afterwards because Ian just wanted to write more Scourge and nothing ese.

Ian's problem isn't that he writes badass girls. It's that he doesn't write women as if they were people and opts for surface level pandering to conceal it. I don't think the dude has ever written a decent story with Rouge and he has never understood Amy at all, even back in the Archie days. Even his female OCs, in and out of Sonic work, are more symbol than person compared to the men. It's fricking weird.

I don't agree. He writes them as less distinct creatures than men. Most of his attempts for like a decade made them accessories to other characters instead of their own people. Even once he stopped doing that so often, they're rarely given the emotional range of male characters. It's why his Blaze also sucks ass aside from "haha here is a joke of her being the straight man or getting embarrassed." If he just wrote girls like guys, it would mean they were at least consistent.

The only reason Ian got any praise was because he bothered to put game content and the art was more on-model that gave people rose-tinted glasses to his writing. It's very superficial. At least people are seeing he isn't that good now, back then the worst thing you could do was criticize the man.

He also wrote Enerjak Reborn and Shadow Fall, two of the best arcs in Archie IMO.

It might have been cool, but also would have been a fundamentally different story arc. Mephiles and Eclipse are pretty different personality-wise, and latter made for a better recurring antagonist.
Black Death is whatever. They blatantly just needed a Black Doom expy for Shadow to kill, the story even mocks Black Death for it. Eclipse was the real star of the show and the arc was primarily his origin story.

Yeah, Enerjak Reborn was early into his run.

Whisper was "conceptualized" by Ian. Evan came up with that parts that mattered. Then Ian wrote all her appearances up until she got detailed as a character. I'd call her Ian's creation.

That mindset should've never been brought up in the first place.

He’s making jokes and in the next pages he’s jumping up walls and shit. Surge did more damage to herself than to Sonic.

You just going to ignore that a person who “almost died” is jumping up walls and shit, huh? Hell, if he almost died he shouldn’t even be conscious. The only thing suggesting that he was in any kind of mortal danger is your own headcanon.

they spend like four panels showing horror, fear and regret on his face for a girl killing herself because she can't kill him. do you need like a sucking chest wound?

Don’t question Sega, lowly Mortal.
Also Amy aged from 8 to 12 in Adventure but Tails is still 8 just the same. And now none of them have ages.

>Amy aged from 8 to 12
She didn't age you dolt, they just retconned her age, that's why newer Classic material also refers to Classic Amy as 12.

None of the games has stated he’s 20. You’re conflating fandom shit with the official shit.

What math? These characters don’t age. They’re like the Simpsons. They’ll stay the same age to retain their iconic image.

Most fictional characters with any serialised story age. Even capeshit characters like Batman and Robin do.

Sonic doesn’t have a serialized story. And Batman’s always 35.

It has been stated. He’s 35 or vaguely in his mid to late 30s. Nothing ever more than that as DC doesn’t want him to be too old. They’d have him become Batman at 20 just to keep his ass in his 30s.

Then why do they keep making time travel plots with his “Classiku Sonikku” self, and constantly arguing back and forth whether he’s a past self from past events or from another dimension?

Yes but they get de-aged just as often in constant reboots.

It’s kind of amazing that game Sonic has held onto its continuity for as long as it has. Other than Forces splitting off Classic into its own thing there haven’t been any big retcons have there? And even then you can assume modern Sonic went through similar experiences to Classic (the mecha sonic comic included both the egg carrier from adventure and plenty of stuff from S3&K, and amy has a flashback to CD in adventure).

I know the background humans got replaced by furries, but from that Tails lore podcast thing they’re still around, just off screen.

I’m glad they havent rebooted the game canon. Yet.

The forces retcon was retconned back, Classic is just the past again, not an alternate dimension anymore.

Until then, it's just the past, it's been like that because everyone hated Forces lol

Mainly through side material like IDW and interviews but Frontiers also has a S3&K scene shown as a flashback.

>He wasn’t his past self in a literal sense but in a meta sense.
He was both.

Those flashbacks had them in their Modern designs, implying they’ve always looked like that. Classic is just an art style ala Toon Link nowadays.

Oh, are you one of those tumblr morons like Randomthefox or something? I don't need to be seeing talking points from there recycled here. I didn't bring up Surge, and I wasn't even talking about Infinite as a judgement, I was calling the other anon a moron about ages.

Games are open for public scrutiny, so if something shit happens like 06 or Boom it’s blood in the water for mockery
Noone reads the comic but hardcore sonic simps, so they guzzle whatever slop you give them, even if it’s dogshit

It TRIED to have those, like with the Metal Virus and Surge. Again, it's just that none of it works.

>IDW is trying to emulate Archie, but its not working. And its very evident because IDW is nothing like Archie.

Remember when the Deadly Six just attacked the good guy base without any justification for it? Why is doing that do difficult?

And all of those males are better than all the females. Guess you could only be a good character if you are a male or evil .One of those things correlates to being actually fun characters I don't cringe when I read them.

Starline being gay wasn't the plan at the start, but by Ian's own admission, when he saw how much the fandom was into it, he decided to lean full-on into it.

I believe writers shouldn't do such things, personally.

Yeah Starline being a homosexual was just Ian not understanding how to write an over the top bombastic character and accidently comes off as a homo.

The impression I got was Starline was supposed to be the "younger, hip new hotness" because he did things like vlogging his plans and trying to be as showy as possible.

Mimic should be straight so he can correct Whisper and Tangle with his tentacle’s

I know, just wanted to slip in a bit of my villain on heroine/tentacle leanings

They're still cyborgs.

>Sega told him "No, they can't be cyborgs, they have to be flesh-and-blood furries".
Other way around, they were going to be test-tube babies until Sega told Ian only Gerald Robotnik can do that. So Ian made them cyborgs that Starline kidnapped.

So like using Sonic to tenderise and lure them into a a detonation zone, yeah that does sound pretty cool and showcases how they coordinate and work together, could make for some fun fights with Bean as the other bomber

You really didn't. You just said "thing bad". WHY aren't the bracelet fitting props? They're really no worse than Amy's hammer.

>magic rings are visually incongruous in a series full of magic rings

>energy rings that transform into lightsabers
Yes, and?...
>on a chipmunk with no previous lightsaber apparel known for being a tactical leader without weaponry
It was a reboot. They went harder on Sally because she needed it. They wanted her to be known for her lightsabers and not for nagging Sonic.
This is like saying Blaze the cat can't have fire powers because Big the cat doesn't.

>Big the Cat can't randomly start flying around in a Tardis because he's never been about using a Tardis before.
How about flying around in a hoverbike? Or is that incongruous too?

I just see it as a natural extension of things like Shadow's inhibitor rings.

>They are like old school sonamy fans
No one is like old school sonamy fans.

Honestly, I'm hoping Amy's just putting up a face of actually wanting to trust Surge and Kit here.

I know that won't be the case, but at least that'd make more sense.

>surge finally wins
Surge cannot win. Her whole purpose is to oppose a character that is mandated to never lose.

also hopefully they accomplish the impossible and give Surge a better motivation

I missed the part where Kit steps in and drowns Amy.

In adventure 1 she reformed a fricking eggman robot, and in 2 she reformed shadow when he was still on board with worldwide genocide.

Both times, she did it by being nice and believing there’s good in everyone. This really isn’t a new direction for her.

I do miss the sonic stalking, though. It’s cool they can be relaxed friends around each other but it’d be fun if she got to let out her crazy obsessed side a little bit too.

>demonstrably insane, unstable and dangerous

So...Like Amy when she chases Sonic if she were written in character?

Amy and Gamma is dramatically overblown. It was just
>give me the bird
>no
>you're doing something nice for a dumb bird? Does. Not. Compute. I am going...SENTIEEEENNT AAAAIIIIEEEEEEEE SAVE ME Black personMAN alright i'll open the door then you can go

it was Amy just saying no to giving him the bird and Gamma instantly turning good. Because it's dumb babyshit made for babies, and you're a stunted nostalgic man-baby.

What "execution", lmao?
Please tell the classroom how low-poly Amy saying "nuh uh meanypoopypants robot I won't give you birdy" is a scorsese masterpiece

The fact that she was crying like a little girl three or so issues ago makes this seem stupid.

>Did he really make the group?
Pretty much. At the end of Forces Knuckles suggests disbanding the resistance but Silver says there's still work to be done and they have to keep going so from there the resistance becomes the Restoration.

He's Tom Holland Peter Parker now

They should introduce a Kid Silver like Dragon Ball did Kid Trunks, or just age him down with time shenanigans.

>Silver is made for /ss/ but he's not a shota
It's more that Silver's personality was changed into that because just using Tails is a no-no for Twitter.

I don't know about rubbish he has a lot of potential and has been well written before it's just he has been getting weirdly written for a while now. Also he's not the best of the hedgehogs but he's still one of the 3 and has some cool moments

Yeah frick that traitor storyline felt like an excuse to make silver look foolish and like a dick. Like sonic literally dragging him through the streets just to make him look like a butthole.

Silver has potential but they fumble it hard.

>Silver is made for /ss/ but he's not a shota
It's more that Silver's personality was changed into that because just using Tails is a no-no for Twitter.

True, but hey just let tails be a kid then and silver more grown up

To be honest i’m super biased against him as it feels like he’s a blackhole character who when he shows up makes the plot revolve around him and drags everyone else into his plotlines, I just don’t like him but can see how and why he has a fanbase

That could work in small burst, sonic being free and chilling Silver stressing and trying to find the future problem. Could be a good chance to have the hedgehogs to hang out together I feel we never see them hanging out solo together just duo bros.

What? What the frick is wrong with you? He was in a fricking war and these women weren't. How is measuring actual experience power level homosexualry?

Anytime someone uses the word power level when you bring up a good point ignore them anon. He seems like a schizo he just keeps screeching power levels at every response.

Because its not about experience but rank. Go on, keep saying that he deserves to be bossing Lanolin instead because of ... ?

Can't it be both since Lanolin sucks and Silver could/should be written like more of a competent character rather than a starstruck kid since he's the same age as all of them