The Sonic comic isn't made for Sonic fans, it's made for mentally ill shippers. No one in Sonic's target demo is going to read the comic where the annoying IDW OCs hog all the spotlight
They just did that. The latest stories are a short two part story featuring Knuckles and Cream. Nobody cared about it. The game characters cannot draw a dime. The OCs are the only characters who get any engagement from the readers.
Whisper sitting in a plastic bush inside a shopping mall watching Mimic through binoculars, then getting yelled at by Lanolin and crying isn't an action adventure story
They can't do shit with the game-canon characters because Sega mandates them heavily.
Say what you want about Belle constantly bawling her eyes out, but she's literally making up for the main cast being unable to.
>The latest stories are a short two part story featuring Knuckles and Cream. Nobody cared about it.
Yeah, because it took SIXTY PLUS ISSUES just for the comic to finally get to the point it should've been issue ONE. Of fricking course no one's going to care at that point.
Hell, I was already burnt out of this comic because of the dogshit Metal Virus arc, and there wasn't much the comic could do to bring me back at that point.
>it's made for mentally ill shippers
That sounds like me, except there's nothing actually worth shipping between the ugly tumblrina IDW ocs. Their personalities past a surface level are interchangeable, they don't have anything meaningful between eachother, their lore, setting and history with eachother is nonexistent and honest to god they just don't fricking do anything. Just sit around on their fat asses all day and maybe they'll fight a motobug again later.
yeah lol the comic doesn't even have a story. It's a bunch of boring saccharine bozos milling around the inside of a shopping mall waiting for Eggman to do something. What's the difference if you ship the lesbos, they hold hands while they wait around for Eggman to do something? It doesn't change anything in what they do anyway
Ian is the Penders this time (shits everything up), Evan is the Ian (shits everything up even harder but people give her praise for just not being the Penders)
Evan is more like the Bollers. People hardly know they even exist and act like Ian/ Penders writes the entire comic.
Barnes is more like the new Flynn.
We’ll see once Barnes comes to the main comics and there’s a sudden immediate change of artist that makes Barnes’ stories much more readable than the ones previous
6 months ago
Anonymous
and everyone mistakes the prettier art for a better story, when it’s filled with even more politics, relationship cuckery and muh echidna lore than came previous
Ian does have an army of slop-eating simps, yes. His stories were also fricking dogshit. Like the 3-year Mecha Sally arc he was trying to do. Or the Tails cuckery arc he made 100x worse. Or making all of reboot a giant Unleashed adaptation.
>I thought it's generally acknowledged that Ian's run on Sonic Archie was great? (Until it's cancellation)some say he's like the savior of Archie sonic
You're right, but you know there's always going to be detractors.
Lmao no. Going through Ian’s Archie run chronologically there’s: >More of Sonic’s relationshit drama >Needless and overabundant lore and exposition dumping >An entire arc spent on Sir Connery and everybody’s favourite part of the Sonic games: the Kingdom of Acorn’s monarchy >The death of everybody’s favourite character Tommy Turtle, why yes this is the perfect thing to waste Tails’ DESTINY from #56 on >Ruining Rouge’s character beyond repair, Round 1 >Turning Tails into a cuck, Round 2 >House of Cards >Yet MORE political shit >Yet MORE of Sonic’s relationshit drama >The Sonic X comic run >Wasting more than a year’s worth of irl time on Scourge standing around in Sonic’s treehouse doing nothing, without managing to let the SS do literally anything or even reveal anything on their backstories, because of course if they aren’t a hedgehog then who cares about them? >More of every FF except Sonic being treated as useless and unimportant, Rotor even gets his back broken and nothing has changed as of yet
6 months ago
Anonymous
>The worst possible way anyone could’ve wasted an MXYL Universe arc >Ruining Rouge’s character again >An FCBD issue dedicated to showing how powerful and unstoppable Sonic is and how useless and worhless all his friends and rivals are in comparison and how they couldn’t hope to even compare >Journey to the East, an interesting concept that of course must be wasted on 4 issues of Sally doing political shit >King Naugus, which of course results in nothing except MORE political shit >Mecha Sally, a test in just how long Ian can stretch his arcs for no reason at all >The planned ensuing arc wherein Sonic would go looking for “real” Sally >The Unleashed adaptation, and spending literally all of Reboot on it
And of course >The 2nd Megaman Crossover, a crossover so unbelievably terrible and so expensive, that put so many of Archie’s IP eggs into one basket that the ensuing terrible quality, overstretched plot where nothing happens in most of the issues, badly stitched-in Zeti, useless should-be MVP characters like X, overly shilled original OCs that everyone hated (cough cough XANDER PAYNE) and idiotic one-issue deus ex machinas designed to remove all stakes nearly bankrupted Archie and was THE driving force behind their decision to cancel Archie. An arc so goddamn fricking terrible it got Archie Sonic cancelled forever. That’s what the 2nd Megaman crossover is.
“b-but muh pellerito scapegoat!”
The job of a writer is to make writing entertaining. If Flynn cannot even do that to keep the sales of that arc up to even the usual standard of reboot issues, then he is a terrible writer.
Fact of the matter is Ian’s Archie run was garbage, people hold him in high status because he came off the back of Penders.
Yes I copypastad all of this.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>“b-but muh pellerito scapegoat!”
Pellerito is the guy people point to when they call Ian a bad writer, stupid. You're thinking of Kaminski.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>The worst possible way anyone could’ve wasted an MXYL Universe arc >Ruining Rouge’s character again >An FCBD issue dedicated to showing how powerful and unstoppable Sonic is and how useless and worhless all his friends and rivals are in comparison and how they couldn’t hope to even compare >Journey to the East, an interesting concept that of course must be wasted on 4 issues of Sally doing political shit >King Naugus, which of course results in nothing except MORE political shit >Mecha Sally, a test in just how long Ian can stretch his arcs for no reason at all >The planned ensuing arc wherein Sonic would go looking for “real” Sally >The Unleashed adaptation, and spending literally all of Reboot on it
And of course >The 2nd Megaman Crossover, a crossover so unbelievably terrible and so expensive, that put so many of Archie’s IP eggs into one basket that the ensuing terrible quality, overstretched plot where nothing happens in most of the issues, badly stitched-in Zeti, useless should-be MVP characters like X, overly shilled original OCs that everyone hated (cough cough XANDER PAYNE) and idiotic one-issue deus ex machinas designed to remove all stakes nearly bankrupted Archie and was THE driving force behind their decision to cancel Archie. An arc so goddamn fricking terrible it got Archie Sonic cancelled forever. That’s what the 2nd Megaman crossover is.
“b-but muh pellerito scapegoat!”
The job of a writer is to make writing entertaining. If Flynn cannot even do that to keep the sales of that arc up to even the usual standard of reboot issues, then he is a terrible writer.
Fact of the matter is Ian’s Archie run was garbage, people hold him in high status because he came off the back of Penders.
Yes I copypastad all of this.
>THE driving force behind their decision to cancel Archie.
Damn I didn't know this. is this true? I thought it was ultimately caused by Penders
6 months ago
Anonymous
Penders caused a Reboot to get rid of his author-owned characters for legal reasons, but they kept going.
That story that came years later was a huge financial disaster that influenced archie to stop licensing Sonic and only write their own stories from then on (which worked very well for them and was a great decision, the Riverdale series made them huge bank)
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Penders caused a Reboot to get rid of his author-owned characters for legal reasons
Thank god for that, the guy was obsessed with making Knuckles the de facto main character for some reason and gave him hundreds of relatives.
Literally none of Penders characters were good, Surge is already better than anything he ever created.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Surge is already better than anything he ever created.
She's literally a knockoff Scourge that somehow ended up with an even worse backstory.
6 months ago
Anonymous
She is way better than Scourge, Sourge was just alternate universe Sonic but evil copying DC Ultraman like a hundred other mainstream franchises did, what would make him a mediocre character if he didn't want to take over the world for literally no reason at all even though that would never fit Sonic character even if he was evil making him and his story just trash.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Scourge was an actual menacing villain who could throw down when he had to.
Surge jobs to buckets.
6 months ago
Anonymous
competency and power level are irrelevant to writing quality or even fun, in fact the generic shitty fan fiction donut OC villain or mary sue new character is nearly 100% of the time overpowered
6 months ago
Anonymous
motherfricker if your villain isn't even remotely close to a threat nobody can be invested in the story because theres 0 stakes
6 months ago
Anonymous
That's bullshit half of all iconic villains are hardly a threat to the hero, half of Batman and Spider-Man villains are punchbags.
6 months ago
Anonymous
The only Batman villain that hasn’t beat him the frick up before and won at least once is that gag villain from Knightfall ‘The Lancer’
6 months ago
Anonymous
Nearly no Batman villain even beat him but Joker and Ra, if you are including short lived victories Surge did actually beat Sonic into submission and only lost in the end due to getting to emotionally carried making her gadgets drain her energy rather than Sonic actually finding a way to beat her.
6 months ago
Anonymous
No, they ALL have beaten him. Name a single one of them I can name you the story where he’s beaten to an inch of his life from them while they’re happy, relaxed and preaching gospel and coming up with an ingenious way just to escape with his life.
It may not be obvious since the 2000s when he became a Justice League heavy player, but the typical formula of a Batman story is: >Batman tries to stop villain, gets absolutely fricking annihilated >crawls away just out of their reach, recuperates >comes back more prepared this time and wins
Amygdala has done it. Mad Hatter has done it. Scarecrow has done it. Cornelius Stirk has done it. Motherfricking Calendar Man has done it.
Gary Stus like Sonic who win just because the author coddles them aren’t appealing, people who win through effort are.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Not him, but give me a Penguin story like that.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Detective Comics 14
Batman gets his shit smacked-in by Poison Ivy, whose out to try and kill Penguin
Penguin was smarter than both of them and boobytrapped the place leaving them both for dead
Carries unconscious Ivy off to torture her to death in his own privacy, leaves Batman alive out of respect
Batman wakes up and starts getting his face smacked-in by Clayface
Next issue he gets beat up by a mindraped Clayface, runs for his life back to the Batcave, comes back later in a suit designed to break his mindrape, Clayface busts up the street in a rage and Bruce runs off admitting he doesn’t want to face Clayface when he’s in this state
6 months ago
Anonymous
That's what I said, they all had short lived victories, Surge actually managed to overpower and subdue Sonic and would kill him if she didn't frick up everything by herself.
6 months ago
Anonymous
“Overpowering Sonic” by killing herself isn’t a victory, it’s a display that even with numerous buffs she’s not allowed to win over the gary stu and Sonic’s not allowed to run off knowing he’s outmatched
6 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, if a 12 year girl manage to take you down, immobilize you while threatening to beat you to death you while you shit yourself in fear like Surge did to Sonic just to spare your life due to having a breakdown no one will think you "won"
6 months ago
Anonymous
Surge is the same age as Sonic, and the only who shit themselves there was Surge after using up so much energy, Sonic was fine after her meltdown.
6 months ago
Anonymous
A breakdown isn’t passing out from exhaustion, it’s proving she needed heavy drugs and steroids and a super suit that feeds off her blood to last 5 seconds in a fight with you, and then she loss anyway because she couldn’t even use those various moronic buffs long enough to beat you because you’re a badly written gary stu
6 months ago
Anonymous
>A breakdown isn’t passing out from exhaustion
The exhaustion was caused by her getting too carried away rather than being cold and just killing him like she could >it’s proving she needed heavy drugs and steroids and a super suit that feeds off her blood to last 5 seconds in a fight with you
absorbing energy to increase her strenght is one of her main abilities, it's hardly "drugs and steroids" when she can easily do it in every fight, it was her regular powers >and then she loss anyway because she couldn’t even use those various moronic buffs long enough to beat you because you’re a badly written gary stu
Sonic only surviving due to his opponent fricking themselves up in a way he didn't caused at all after being cornered only made her victory even more objective.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>rather than being cold and just killing him like she could
She couldn’t. She was trying to kill him the entire fight and yet couldn’t land a single hit until she overloaded it. Same with their fight previous. Try again.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>She couldn’t
Yes she could, she got overwhelmed due to her emotions rather than needing to use more power than she could and Sonic can't claim it as his victory because he didn't even outsmarted her, her trauma just fricked her in the very last second. She pulled the typical Thanos "I would totally win if I didn't sabotage myself" shit.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Her trauma didn’t frick shit, in the first fight he’s running circles around her and tripping her on buckets while complaining about his broken ankle. In the second fight she cannot land a single hit while he’s just casually chatting the entire time. The only time she ever manages to land anything is when she overloads it to TRY and kill him. The overloading defeats her, and the overloading is the only thing that gave her even the smallest semblance of a chance of winning.
She lost because they didn’t wanna show their boring cardboard gary stu actually being outmatched by anyone. Even with all those advantages she could only look like she’s doing anything by killing herself.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Dude, she got him cornered, defenseless at her mercy and didnt kill him due to her own emotions fricking her, trying to describe her previous dowturns it does not change what happened, she went further than most villains do
6 months ago
Anonymous
>She couldn’t
Yes she could, she got overwhelmed due to her emotions rather than needing to use more power than she could and Sonic can't claim it as his victory because he didn't even outsmarted her, her trauma just fricked her in the very last second. She pulled the typical Thanos "I would totally win if I didn't sabotage myself" shit.
Dude, she got him cornered, defenseless at her mercy and didnt kill him due to her own emotions fricking her, trying to describe her previous dowturns it does not change what happened, she went further than most villains do
Really looks like she pushed herself too far to try and kill Sonic. If she didnt literally overload herself and destroyed the dynamo-cage she would not have best Sonic. That is to say, she wouldnt have had the power normally to do it and did not have enough power even pushing herself to the point she exploded. That's like the full 200% she could do and it wasnt enough.
She's just second rate. She cannot even muster the power to kill Sonic and is not nearly smart enough to outwit, let's be real. She will always break
Because she is second rate.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Surge actually managed to overpower and subdue Sonic
Not really.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yes she did, Sonic was just defenseless and could only watch in horror as she was ready to execute him
6 months ago
Anonymous
So defenseless that he did nothing and won because Surge couldn't keep up lmao, please.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I’m going to give you a piece of advice for Cinemaphile and the internet in general, if it seems like someone is arguing in bad faith stop wasting your time arguing with them.
It was made very clear that Sonic’s fight against Surge was a VERY close call for Sonic. The big gasp he takes on the next page after the panel where he’s just laying there indicates he had even stopped breathing even after he was no longer underwater. If Surge hadn’t overloaded her equipment she would have won. This is made very clear, clear enough that children would understand it.
If you point this out you get responses like
>Surge actually managed to overpower and subdue Sonic
Not really.
Just dont bother wasting your time man.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Same deal with the guy who keeps trying to derail any discussion of Scrapnik by accusing it of being the same as the rest of the comic, ignoring any discussion that breaks down its writing.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>“If Surge hadn’t overloaded her equipment” >needs various equipment and to overload it all to even be allowed to LOOK like she’s winning over the self-insert gary stu >loses because she overloaded it, something she had to do to even look like she was winning any ground in the fight >Sonic is fine and cracking cringy oneliners and rescuing a helpless Tails the next page
You display a serious problem with projection, anon. You should look into these various insecurities of yours over a shit furry gary stu being addressed as a shit furry gary stu before they spiral out of control
6 months ago
Anonymous
>You don't have to tell me twice
But in the Stone Age?
6 months ago
Anonymous
6 months ago
Anonymous
I would certainly hope so. You can't have Sonic without SOME Chris lore
6 months ago
Anonymous
Fair to say surge zaps to the extreme?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe but it's good to refute bullshit so casuals and guillible people don't fall for misleading stories.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Surge actually managed to overpower and subdue Sonic and would kill him if she didn't frick up everything by herself.
It's not that impressive considering >She jury rigged herself basically a super form with Eggman's tech >Sonic wasn't really trying to fight her, just talk her down >Surge had the advantage with all the water conducting her powers >When Sonic finally slips and she lands a good hit, she immediately burns herself out >Sonic is barely any worse for wear, he's up and running a few moments later
She had every advantage and barely got an "ouch" out of Sonic.
6 months ago
Anonymous
She practically solo’d sonic, eggman and metal. Even with powerups that’s pretty big.
I can hear it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>She practically solo’d sonic, eggman and metal.
No, she just used Eggman's machine to drain Metal Sonic's power. She even ran away from the heroes earlier on in the story.
A curiously recurring plot element is that she needs Kit and/or a water source to conduct her powers more effectively. She's never beaten anyone 1v1 without Kit's assistance in some way.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>She's never beaten anyone 1v1 without Kit's assistance in some way.
Has anyone beaten anyone but nameless mooks and the Deadly Six in this comic aside from Sonic? Only examples that come to mind are from very recent issues, like Knux + Chaotix vs the Rogues.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Surge does not win if she use tricks
Detective Comics 14
Batman gets his shit smacked-in by Poison Ivy, whose out to try and kill Penguin
Penguin was smarter than both of them and boobytrapped the place leaving them both for dead
Carries unconscious Ivy off to torture her to death in his own privacy, leaves Batman alive out of respect
Batman wakes up and starts getting his face smacked-in by Clayface
Next issue he gets beat up by a mindraped Clayface, runs for his life back to the Batcave, comes back later in a suit designed to break his mindrape, Clayface busts up the street in a rage and Bruce runs off admitting he doesn’t want to face Clayface when he’s in this state
>Penguin won thanks to his tricks
bruh
6 months ago
Anonymous
Surge lost using technology and tricks and powerups, then faints and dies and Sonic isn’t fazed.
Penguin won using his smarts, and Batman is passed out and dead. And Penguin tells his unconscious corpse he’s permitting him to live as a warning.
moron
6 months ago
Anonymous
Both got tiny victories for a moment and got fricked later dumbass
6 months ago
Anonymous
Surge didn’t get any victory at all you braindead idiot, she tried her hardest to beat Sonic withh all the advantage in the world and flat-out failed. Penguin knocked Batman out and told him he’s only living because he chooses to let Batman live. And he got away with it.
6 months ago
Boco
She was seconds from killing Sonic, man.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I'm done with you, you will just try to make it more and more specific until it ends up with "well, her name is Surge so it does not count!"
6 months ago
Anonymous
You’re now crying like a fat little gay because you’re now incapable of mental gymnastics around the fact Surge tried her hardest to kill Sonic and failed because she was too weak to use her own powerup and Sonic’s a shitty gary stu for self-inserters. While other enemies like Penguin try a little to beat Batman and succeed, and he only lives because Penguin wants him to live.
But please do go off and seethe like a b***h in your own time. We both know you have no real argument than popping a blood vessel
6 months ago
Anonymous
Both had the hero defenseless and at their mercy you dishonest shitfrick, stop trying to move goalposts every single minute to make your shitty examples valid.
6 months ago
Anonymous
She was seconds from killing Sonic, man.
Surge didn’t have Sonic at her mercy, because she died even trying to get to that point. She was powerless to do anything to Sonic unless she killed herself, and so she did kill herself to even try to get an upperhand, and so she lost because she killed herself and couldn’t kill Sonic despite trying.
Penguin tries to knock out Batman, succeeds, then lets him go.
Surge tries to kill Sonic, fails, then Sonic walks off while she’s dead from the very attempt.
6 months ago
Boco
Oh. Its you again.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Namegays get no superiority anywhere but reddit, Boco. You’ve already admitted you’re a queer with low-t and a tiny dick who can’t even produce testosterone
6 months ago
Boco
And you're a stubborn jackass who refuses to see the scene can be interpreted in more than one way, so we both have our crosses to bear.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>No, she just used Eggman's machine to drain Metal Sonic's power.
Right, she used her powerup to beat him.
>that page
Say what you will about Surge crying, I like that she’ll whip back and forth between being overconfident and despairing. Helps her feel like a mentally unwell character, which she is.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Say what you will about Surge crying, I like that she’ll whip back and forth between being overconfident and despairing. Helps her feel like a mentally unwell character, which she is.
So would you say she's very... Manic?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Anon please, Underground is too kino to be in a filthy modern sonic thread.
Yeah, I mean 50 had so much hype and fan art then she got one sided beat down. She was getting ragdolled and looney tuned then you had the infamous bucket scene.
YES, exactly why even go to the OCs all they did was have the gay ass tangle and whisper fight scene end. Oh wow thanks for taking us away from seeing the most game characters in one place in forever to see the crying lesbians cry over some bs. I also like whisper but I swear tangle drags her character down to shit tier.
Again it felt like nothing because we focused more on the Ocs walking around and talking about tumblr tier drama about low confidence and trauma they have. Over seeing all the game characters literally fighting a army of shadows and classic eggman bots which sounds like something kid me would have squealed about like a lil girl.
Yeah everyone I know hates lanolin, but we didn't get the benefit of seeing her as a sexy sheep Oc made by ABT like most of Cinemaphile and /sthg/ did. So to me she's just as you said boring, and worse because I know she's ABT pet project Oc which somehow makes her cringer than even Tangle. Really it make no sense for her to order anyone around characters when she joined the not freedom fighters like 4 months ago in world canon. How can she talk shit to Silver the hero of their world and Whisper a veteran soldier, her being a leader makes no sense and yeah tangle is just there to simp for whisper and get her to cry. As people have said lanolin's really just fake sally.
You aren't wrong the villians are at least fun even Zavok had a good arc in Bad Guys.
I hope with my whole heart too anon but odds are they'll either go good or have more cringe surge crying bs.
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To be fair that's not fair as she's ABT oc and he really pushed her himself. So fans were like "yo who is this character we keep seeing" and unlike other bg characters she got unique poses and expressions so she felt less stock. Of course a fan would wonder who they are.
>As people have said lanolin's really just fake sally.
Absolutely.
>You aren't wrong the villians are at least fun even Zavok had a good arc in Bad Guys.
Yeah bad guys was the second highest point after imposter syndrome, maybe equal to it. I really didnt want to like zavok or any part of the deadly shits but the comic got me to come around, he was a good part of that mini.
Thank you anon, I swear also remember she canon joined the restoration after sometimes after issue 1. Meaning even Tangle has more experience than her, also how can you command people when you've never even saved the world. Even Whisper has helped saved the world like twice >metal sonic >zeti's/metal virus
But somehow a rookie that has only been around since a bit before the metal virus can talk down to her and Silver. I remember me and my buddies were saying how Silver would rape the Diamond cutters in a fight he is literally the only one with a real power and experience, even Mimic a assassin was like oh frick Silver is him.
>Silver: can I please join your team >Lanolin: Idk if you can be part of our team silver you are inexperienced >Me: b***h you are the rookie wtf
God that whole mini arc relied on you either not knowing sonic, or turning your brain off. Whisper knows mimic best, lanolin has no experience with him but she tells her she's wrong. Also the joke of silver and whisper being bad at hiding was dumb whisper is a sniper how is she bad at hiding.
That issue really requires the reader to turn their brain off. Silver is closer to Sonic and Shadow in power level than 99% of the cast and has tons of experience, Lanolin of all characters is gonna be in charge of him? And a b***h to him and give him a trial period? The sniper being unable to hide is a good point too. Whole issue was just dumb.
Where he also trips up is that he feels that Sonic should explain himself. Sonic should never be "preachy", he's a man of action. Hell, Ian's Sonic is too chatty in general. Knowing when Sonic should just be silent would do the character wonders. Pic related.
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He's just Snively 2: Platypus Boogaloo.
>Sonic should never be "preachy", he's a man of action.
Also a good point.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah it's so obvious ABT wanted her to be the new sally which is sad as her backstory doesn't lend to it at all. She's a rookie among rookies but somehow is a no nonsense commando type.
I'd say Scrapnik was the best but yeah funny how the 4 part comics are usually the best. Maybe they need to do more of them. As they seem to thrive with the short story format. I think to save Zavok you just need to get rid of the deadly shits, as the rest of them are so one note and shit.
Lanolin leading Silver was insane, Bro he literally apparently was a commander of the original Restoration/resistance and fought on multiple battle fields. He out classes them and would defeat the whole squad in less than a minute. I'll put you on a trial period wtf shit they put mimic on the team immediately why is silver different. Yeah really any OC focus issue usually sucks i've notice unless they are a villian.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>it's so obvious ABT wanted her to be the new sally which is sad as her backstory doesn't lend to it at all. >She was meant to be Sally, but she is nothing like Sally because they failed to make her the new Sally.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Exactly, but she's insufferable like later Sally so I guess they did something right kek
6 months ago
Anonymous
fr fr, thank you. Thats whats happening. They are so bad they can't even make the comic like Archie, but yet try to please me.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Wouldn't say I want archie, but hopefully over time they get their footing and IDW can be a even better sonic than Archie one day.
6 months ago
Anonymous
How is she like Sally beyond being a leader?
6 months ago
Anonymous
She was supposed to wear a vest and be the princess of the kingdom, but they utterly failed at implementing that.
6 months ago
Anonymous
What?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>I'd say Scrapnik was the best
You're right, for some reason I keep forgetting Scrapnik is part of IDW. In my brain it just exists as its own thing, like that Classic Sonic anniversary thing that was put out a while back.
>I think to save Zavok you just need to get rid of the deadly shits, as the rest of them are so one note and shit.
Well, it worked in Bad Guys. They were never really meant to be more than one note comic relief goobers in Lost World, Zavok showing some actual character is what made him work. Not sure how well you could do that with the others, besides maybe the old man and green woman.
>I'll put you on a trial period wtf shit they put mimic on the team immediately why is silver different.
Yeah I remembered that too immediately after I clicked post. Fricking rando borderline child who says he has no real experience gets onto the team for free and Silver is the one who needs a trial period to join the volunteer fighters.
6 months ago
Anonymous
It does feel that way especially since they keep making metal a nothingburger jobber. But then give a great arc to mecha that could have gone to metal who they obviously have no interest in doing anything with.
Exactly why I said get rid of them all the girl is just the girl, and the old man is the basic sensei but he has no especial love for any of them fundamentally making him a irrelevant mentor/sensei. Zavok is at least the big bad of the team and already has had a arc in the comic which they could just keep playing off of.
Ikr how does that work, child with no powers or experience who is hungry and needs a place to stay just give him a job, but the demigod with time powers no no he's to weak and childish to be a real soldier lol.
That's right. Silver doesn't have a rank in Restoration and so is not a soldier, which is how Lanolin is his superior officer.
I mean, that's still insane he was apart of it before the name shift and was a leader of the og war version of the organization
6 months ago
Anonymous
Hedgehog Havoc and Scourge breaking out of Zone Prison are much more entertaining than watching Surge job and cry five times in a row.
6 months ago
Anonymous
The problem is that power level wanking is all Surge has going for her. Her backstory is weak, her motives are even weaker, and her personality is generic at best. Her only redeeming qualities are her design and the idea that she MIGHT pose a threat to Sonic.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Scourge got beaten a dozen times in a row and then literally cried in front of everyone and started talking about his daddy issues
6 months ago
Anonymous
Citation needed.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I do rememebr that issue.
Sonic's dad inhabited a robot, beat up Scourge while lecturing him and then Scourge left crying saying 'Whatever, you are not my real dad'
6 months ago
Anonymous
He didn't beat up Scourge, he just talked him down and warned him that Sonic would be royally pissed if Scourge killed him.
Scourge is genuinely a whiny tryhard punk, but he's a whiny punk who can at least win fights and is a major threat to the good guys. Surge needs powerups just to job to a crippled Sonic.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>He didn't beat up Scourge, he just talked him down and warned him that Sonic would be royally pissed if Scourge killed him.
That's a victory, he stopped his plan and made him cry through talk no jutsu.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Broly is the coolest, his power is maximum
6 months ago
Anonymous
>I would love to watch an epic battle between Goku and a blind 12 year-old cripple
6 months ago
Anonymous
Pilaf is Goku first arch enemy and the villain that got the highest number of appearences by far.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, but you can't have nothing but joke villains. Some of the most popular DB characters were the more threatening villains like Frieza, Cell, and Goku Black.
Hell, the Ginyu Force was both funny and threatening.
6 months ago
Anonymous
several dragonball villains had no chance to win but were not joke villains either, the Red Army mostly jobbed to Goku
6 months ago
Anonymous
When? He beat Sonic and Shadow at the same time in his first proper appearance. His first loss was when he got tricked into depowering himself. Sure he cried a single time when Jules cut through his bullshit but that’s nothing compared to Surge who’s constantly crying and having mental breakdowns over losing.
6 months ago
Anonymous
motherfricker if your villain isn't even remotely close to a threat nobody can be invested in the story because theres 0 stakes
He didn't beat up Scourge, he just talked him down and warned him that Sonic would be royally pissed if Scourge killed him.
Scourge is genuinely a whiny tryhard punk, but he's a whiny punk who can at least win fights and is a major threat to the good guys. Surge needs powerups just to job to a crippled Sonic.
>muh power level
Seriously? Didn't you learn after 20 years of memes mocking powerlevel bullshit?
6 months ago
Anonymous
It's not "power levels," it's the fact that Surge and all the IDW-original villains don't even stand a chance against Sonic and his friends. Surge loses three fricking times in a row and Mimic and Clutch have no offensive powers to speak of. It's not at all interesting to see Sonic steamroll a bunch of punks who pose no threat to him.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Surge nearly murdered Sonic in their last fight. Obviously it wasn't gory because it was a kids' comic, but the dude got electrocuted so hard he seemed surprised to be alive.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Scourge was NEVER menacing.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Surge is a cringy crying dyke just like everyone else in the comic.
6 months ago
Anonymous
He really IS just a successful Andrew Cobson.
6 months ago
Anonymous
indeed
6 months ago
Anonymous
Neither of them are good.
6 months ago
Anonymous
And look where Archie's at now. Their cash cow ended months ago. The only things keeping them relevant are the horror comics and crossovers with Dynamite
6 months ago
Anonymous
A lot of what you're saying is overblown, bit this one always confuses me. >every FF except Sonic being treated as useless and unimportant
How did this dude manage to have complete creative control of five characters for a decade, see only a year or two in that a lot of his best received stories utilized them, and somehow decide the best course of action is to have them stand around contributing nothing most issues? I don't get it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
a bit hamstrung by the fact Sega had made the Freedom Fighters unworkably redundant to have around.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I don’t see how. He made Tails and Rotor both very redundant because of his obsession with Nicole. I don’t see how Amy existing makes Sally or Bunnie therefore redundant.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Sally was always redundant. Sonic doesn't need a leader or someone to tardwrangle him.
Bunnie is made redundant by way of Knuckles for strength or Tails for tech.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Bunnie has lasers built in. Tails has to procure lasers on a per story basis.
Also her extendo arm was basically proto Tangle.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Didn't Bunnie's extendo-arm stop being a thing after her "sexy" upgrade?
6 months ago
Anonymous
No, she had the funny whip arm when Tracey started drawing the book. It got some use early on for fun panel composition.
6 months ago
Anonymous
She still had it, but I think she lost it in the reboot.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Bunnie is strong and can fly.
See: the post-space arc when she destroyed Eggman’s Aircraft Carrier just by flying through it. No other character could’ve done that
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Bunnie is strong
Knuckles, Mighty and Vector
>and can fly.
Tails, Rouge and Charmy
6 months ago
Anonymous
Knuckles, Mighty and Vector couldn’t have gotten to a giant aircraft carrier in the middle of the ocean in the seconds before it launches its nukes.
Tails Rouge and Charmy, at least in how the comic writes them, can’t then break that giant battleship in two by just flying through it spraying lasers.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Autistic categorization
Never write stories, please.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You're confusing "who the comic would have used instead of Bunnie" with "what I'd do."
6 months ago
Anonymous
>You could potentially replace the function of the character!
Again, like I said, autistic categorization. The story isn't real. Threats characters like Bunnies face exist so she can tackle them.
They can’t. Knuckles can glide but he can’t fly, and in archie he’s never been strong enough to sink a giant ship. In Fleetway maybe but in archie he gets knocked out by single swatbots.
Some situations are better suited to more versatile characters.
Rouge can fly but she’s never been written this way in the comic, able to just ram through giant ships.
Powerlevelz moronation nonwithstanding. Bunnie is written to be typically able to do shit like this, Knuckles and Tails and the rest are not.
I'm agreeing with you. I was saying only two of them even sort of kind of fit even if you want to play into this silly shape matching exercise.
6 months ago
Anonymous
can any of those characters do both?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Knuckles and Rouge, but not exactly in either case.
6 months ago
Anonymous
They can’t. Knuckles can glide but he can’t fly, and in archie he’s never been strong enough to sink a giant ship. In Fleetway maybe but in archie he gets knocked out by single swatbots.
Some situations are better suited to more versatile characters.
Rouge can fly but she’s never been written this way in the comic, able to just ram through giant ships.
Powerlevelz moronation nonwithstanding. Bunnie is written to be typically able to do shit like this, Knuckles and Tails and the rest are not.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I care less about redundant niches/powersets if the personality is unique enough to make them stand out, and Bunny had that in spades. You are correct that Sally sucks shit, though.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>a bit hamstrung by the fact Sega had made the Freedom Fighters unworkably redundant to have around.
I'm talking back in like, 2007. Antoine and Bunnie got like, two or three stories. Across a fricking decade. Nicole was an object that cries, much like Whisper these days. Rotor and Sally got done dirty constantly.
6 months ago
Anonymous
1. My ass. He finally got off his ass and started using them at the end of the reboot.
2. The FF has utility as characters, not a set of abilities. There was no sense clinging to them for so long if Ian didn't want to actually use them in his stories. Either stop forcing them to be "main characters" or use your main characters.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Moebius expansion and setting up with zonic makes it worth. Universe was providing plenty of side story action.
6 months ago
Anonymous
What expansion? The only characters who did anything that entire years-long arc was Scourge and the Hedgehogs again while Kintobor and the SS just sat around twiddling their thumbs crying about how “scawwy” muh Scourge is, and it’s confirmed they were never going to use that setting ever again afterwards because Ian just wanted to write more Scourge and nothing ese.
I don't like Pender's work, but that doesn't mean I'll automatically support everything Ian did, either. Things like Iron Throne felt like they took forever to resolve, Mecha Sally was also frustrating. I also don't like that he cut Sally's hair, but seeing his later comments on "kick-butt" women I guess I can't be too surprised about that now.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Ian's problem isn't that he writes badass girls. It's that he doesn't write women as if they were people and opts for surface level pandering to conceal it. I don't think the dude has ever written a decent story with Rouge and he has never understood Amy at all, even back in the Archie days. Even his female OCs, in and out of Sonic work, are more symbol than person compared to the men. It's fricking weird.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Ian writes women like men and not in a distinct way either, that's the issue.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I don't agree. He writes them as less distinct creatures than men. Most of his attempts for like a decade made them accessories to other characters instead of their own people. Even once he stopped doing that so often, they're rarely given the emotional range of male characters. It's why his Blaze also sucks ass aside from "haha here is a joke of her being the straight man or getting embarrassed." If he just wrote girls like guys, it would mean they were at least consistent.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Cinemaphile is probably the last place you should try having a serious discussion about subtle sexism in comics.
Ian practically did the bare minimum for the Archie comic run which was getting rid of all the bullshit that plagued it at the time while trying to make it more on line with the games because the previous writers didn't actually give a shit about them.
I'm not trying to take away the credit for all he did but what he had done was practically a necessity for the comic, anyone who gave a single shit about sonic would've probably made it a better Sonic comic from that fact alone, ESPECIALLY after the Penders only dark age since Penders is a writer that is well known for not giving a shit about the source material of whatever he is writing.
All of the praise Ian get is from "Well at least he's not Penders!" or the now updated version "Well at least he's not Pontac/Graff!" which is ironic because he grew up on Bollers/Penders Archie. His actual writing is mediocre at best and I wish people could take a few steps back to look at his stuff more critically
Ian was pretty good early on, but the main book really started to suffer after Pellerito stepped away from editing/tard wrangling. Most of the Archie StH issues people praise are from 160, 161, and 171-200. 201~290 only has a smattering of issues people ever bring up, and most of these are carried by the artists (Bates, Skelly, etc). Universe is held in higher regard, but two of the most loved arcs weren't even written by Ian.
He's not terrible, but a lot of early praise came from his new ideas building off earlier ideas and an expectation that he would improve as a writer over time. Instead he's regressed.
I don't like Pender's work, but that doesn't mean I'll automatically support everything Ian did, either. Things like Iron Throne felt like they took forever to resolve, Mecha Sally was also frustrating. I also don't like that he cut Sally's hair, but seeing his later comments on "kick-butt" women I guess I can't be too surprised about that now.
Ian practically did the bare minimum for the Archie comic run which was getting rid of all the bullshit that plagued it at the time while trying to make it more on line with the games because the previous writers didn't actually give a shit about them.
I'm not trying to take away the credit for all he did but what he had done was practically a necessity for the comic, anyone who gave a single shit about sonic would've probably made it a better Sonic comic from that fact alone, ESPECIALLY after the Penders only dark age since Penders is a writer that is well known for not giving a shit about the source material of whatever he is writing.
All of the praise Ian get is from "Well at least he's not Penders!" or the now updated version "Well at least he's not Pontac/Graff!" which is ironic because he grew up on Bollers/Penders Archie. His actual writing is mediocre at best and I wish people could take a few steps back to look at his stuff more critically
Daily reminder that Ian's "solution" for aging down Charmy was to give him literal brain damage. When left to his own devices, Ian is just as bad as Penders or the other hacks that worked on Sonic. The only difference is that he has a larger fanbase than any of them.
6 months ago
Anonymous
The only reason Ian got any praise was because he bothered to put game content and the art was more on-model that gave people rose-tinted glasses to his writing. It's very superficial. At least people are seeing he isn't that good now, back then the worst thing you could do was criticize the man.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Nah, some of his early comics were good. Stuff like Knuckles fighting the big lobster robot or Hedgehog Havoc. They're very simple stories, yeah, but they're well plotted and fun.
6 months ago
Anonymous
He also wrote Enerjak Reborn and Shadow Fall, two of the best arcs in Archie IMO.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Shadow Fall
Reminder that Ian wanted to bring Black Doom and Mephiles back for that arc.
6 months ago
Anonymous
It might have been cool, but also would have been a fundamentally different story arc. Mephiles and Eclipse are pretty different personality-wise, and latter made for a better recurring antagonist.
Black Death is whatever. They blatantly just needed a Black Doom expy for Shadow to kill, the story even mocks Black Death for it. Eclipse was the real star of the show and the arc was primarily his origin story.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Black Death's design was great, the artists had a lot of fun with him, and he would make for a good source of future stories even if he's pretty generic. Throwing him away immediately was really stupid.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, Enerjak Reborn was early into his run.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Ian's mistake was thinking anyone cared about Charmy to being with.
Ian is the Penders this time (shits everything up), Evan is the Ian (shits everything up even harder but people give her praise for just not being the Penders)
I dunno, I think there's an argument to be made that Evan is the Penders. Flynn wrote that Zombot crap and the new Knuckles arc, both of which are at least trying to be adventure arcs, even if they're sub-par. The Zombot arc being so overlong also parallels the entire Archie reboot being taken up by the Unleashed arc.
Evan, meanwhile, seems to enjoy introducing a bunch of crappy OCs (Tangle, Whisper, Belle, israeliteel) and having them stand around doing nothing, just like Penders. The biggest difference is that Evan's OCs spend all their time crying, while Penders' echidnas spent all their time being pompous and mysterious and hinting at future arcs.
>The biggest difference is that Evan's OCs spend all their time crying, while Penders' echidnas spent all their time being pompous and mysterious and hinting at future arcs.
>drink puke or diarrhea
Hoboy, this is a tough one.
I guess if you were gonna press me, I'd pick Penders. There was at least some semblance of worldbuilding, and Penders could sometimes accidentally create likeable characters like Remington, Wynmacher, and Elias.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah I can already guess, Pender might be crazy but at least it's so crazy and moronic it wraps back to being somewhat interesting/hilarious at times
>J Axer
Man he's so good drawing both male and female characters looks stunning. I still wonder why tf did Archie not let him pencil the main story
>Evan, meanwhile, seems to enjoy introducing a bunch of crappy OCs (Tangle, Whisper, Belle, israeliteel)
it's mindblowing to see the rewriting of history in the collective fandom minds happen in real time. So focused on hating Evan that we've now apparently forgotten that Ian created three of the four OCs you listed.
>Ian created three of the four OCs
I thought Whisper and Belle were Evan's.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Whisper was "conceptualized" by Ian. Evan came up with that parts that mattered. Then Ian wrote all her appearances up until she got detailed as a character. I'd call her Ian's creation.
There is a practical reason for that, and it is the paradox of having a running comic series based on a "immutable" franchise. Unless SEGA decides otherwise, there can't be any change to status quo nor character development for any Main Character from the games. That may work for villain of the week kind of stories, but even then main Canon only gives them Eggman and maybe the Deadly Six to work with, which works for games were the point is to experience the adventure, but for other media could get repetitive kind of fast. So they by default have to lean to the OCs for any attempt at character arcs, or even stakes. Sure, nobody can "die" on camera, even if it's heavily implied with Starline, the rule of "no body was shown" is strong here. But even then, the idea that characters like Belle or Whispers "could" be in real danger, is more believable than any attempt to do the same with Amy or Tails. Granted, they have got away with some surprising stuff, like making Mecha Sonic an actual developed character (I guess because SEGA has no plans nor interest on him) and the whole Metal Virus saga to circumvent most of the "rules", but there are still some unavoidable issues in regards working around such a strict canon.
honestly yeah with how little one can actually do with the actual game characters, lord knows if I was in Ian's shoes I'd be relying even heavier on the OC characters, like I'd probably reduce the presence of the game characters to the absolute bare minimum I could get away with(like maybe have Sonic or Eggman show up for one or two pages every issue but leave everything of actual importance to the OC's)
The only good thing about Surge and Whisper being now officially part of the series is that now they're on the tight leash of SEGA and will stop Ian pushing for shitty lesbian overtones and instead going for homosexual tension with sonic and knuckles in Frontiers
technically every IDW OC is official since SEGA fully owns everything made for the IDW comics(since they don't want a repeat of what happened back at Archie)
I used to be neutral about this but I'm currently reading Archie Sonic on Ian Flynn's run I can say that IDW is bit of a snoozefest. Hope it gets very interesting in the future
this is a shit forced joke and a bad comic, too
Amy can go get diabetes and have her eyes go blind and her feet sawed off and it'd be a better Sonic comic
>Sonic won't kill villains because he wants them to reform >gets shocked when one of them seemingly tries
Hopefully this is just the initial surprise and he's cool with it, or else Sonic is going to come off as a massive hypocrite.
He’s making jokes and in the next pages he’s jumping up walls and shit. Surge did more damage to herself than to Sonic.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>He’s making jokes and
That's in-character for Sonic. He's going to joke around his little buddy even when he's hurt.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You just going to ignore that a person who “almost died” is jumping up walls and shit, huh? Hell, if he almost died he shouldn’t even be conscious. The only thing suggesting that he was in any kind of mortal danger is your own headcanon.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Not that anon but he doesn't seen even remotely hurt
6 months ago
Anonymous
they spend like four panels showing horror, fear and regret on his face for a girl killing herself because she can't kill him. do you need like a sucking chest wound?
6 months ago
Anonymous
You DO know they're joking, and clearly see the damage, right?
Yeah she probably got her brain fried for the moment at least. I bet the story will go like.. >Sonic realizes from Kit that she's a blank and can't remember anything. >He sees this as a good opportunity to condition her to be chill >Surges old conditioning makes it's way back over times as part of a slow healing process >She's fricking pissed that she was turned into a completely different person and has a fueled vendetta against the society that tried to make her into something the find acceptable >Goes on a rampage, gets beat, ummm profit of Surge X Amy
Zapped, strangle and almost drowned. Come on anon, I admit this comic has a "jobber" issue where outside the Metal Zombies, nobody seem to be a match to Sonic, either OC or long time villain (Metal Sonic gets it the worst, honestly), but this more than a "litttle zap"
Eggman started a fricking apocalypse thay caused endless suffering yet Sonic was more than willing to see him redeemed with open arms.
The last time he saw her she was screaming about how she would never have peace until he died while throttling his neck, electrocuting AND drowning him.
He'd be a moron if he DIDNT get suspicious.
>He'd be a moron if he DIDNT get suspicious.
You mean like how he acted towards Tinker?
The last time he saw her she was screaming about how she would never have peace until he died while throttling his neck, electrocuting AND drowning him.
I think people forget that Sonic is a 15 year old boy, and most of the time he just does whatever will settle things and return everything to normal, he oftentimes doesn't have a huge moral goal in mind, he just wants villains out of his life
If he can reform em? Great! But he's not exactly excited to be seeing them again
Why is that notion so odd to people on this website? I get not liking a character that makes no sense in terms of writing, but there's nothing wrong with a character's own morals and ideas making no sense because sometimes people's own morals and ideas make no sense too
A fiction character isn't gonna have 20/20 all knowing writer vision and think of everything and be totally emotionally rational and decisive
You just going to ignore that a person who “almost died” is jumping up walls and shit, huh? Hell, if he almost died he shouldn’t even be conscious. The only thing suggesting that he was in any kind of mortal danger is your own headcanon.
Yeah I'm going to ignore the people whose last point of reference was Heroes.
No it didn’t you buffoon…it was confirmed by Ian that Sega says he turned 15 in it
6 months ago
Anonymous
Heroes takes place in the past when Generations occurs. At least one year's past. Is 15 + 1 = 15?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Don’t question Sega, lowly Mortal.
Also Amy aged from 8 to 12 in Adventure but Tails is still 8 just the same. And now none of them have ages.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Adventure aging in the states hardly counts since the entire canon in the US got normalized to the JP story (CD's US manual even mentions Sally existing). Ironically that game did more to soft reboot the series than 06.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Amy aged from 8 to 12
She didn't age you dolt, they just retconned her age, that's why newer Classic material also refers to Classic Amy as 12.
>Generations made him 20 you tard.
Are you stupid?
6 months ago
Anonymous
You don't play the games, do you?
6 months ago
Anonymous
None of the games has stated he’s 20. You’re conflating fandom shit with the official shit.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah dude I'm confusing my fandom ability to do basic math and put together "X happens after Y" just like how you headcanoned that paint chips where a snack when you were 3...
6 months ago
Anonymous
What math? These characters don’t age. They’re like the Simpsons. They’ll stay the same age to retain their iconic image.
Heroes takes place in the past when Generations occurs. At least one year's past. Is 15 + 1 = 15?
Time doesn't pass for Sonic characters, they're cartoons, Sonic will have 30 million birthdays and remain 15 because that's how he is.
6 months ago
Anonymous
It’s like people forget these characters are fictional and therefore have no reason to age.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Most fictional characters with any serialised story age. Even capeshit characters like Batman and Robin do.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Some do, some don't, Sonic is the type that doesn't.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Sonic doesn’t have a serialized story. And Batman’s always 35.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Batman's always vaguely adult aged, I imagine him in his 40s or so right now, but it's never outright stated, and that's the smart thing to do.
6 months ago
Anonymous
It has been stated. He’s 35 or vaguely in his mid to late 30s. Nothing ever more than that as DC doesn’t want him to be too old. They’d have him become Batman at 20 just to keep his ass in his 30s.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>It has been stated
Not in any book I've read, but I definitely haven't read every single Batman comic.
I still think he's in his 40s anyway.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Then why do they keep making time travel plots with his “Classiku Sonikku” self, and constantly arguing back and forth whether he’s a past self from past events or from another dimension?
6 months ago
Anonymous
He can be both from the past and the same age.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yes but they get de-aged just as often in constant reboots.
It’s kind of amazing that game Sonic has held onto its continuity for as long as it has. Other than Forces splitting off Classic into its own thing there haven’t been any big retcons have there? And even then you can assume modern Sonic went through similar experiences to Classic (the mecha sonic comic included both the egg carrier from adventure and plenty of stuff from S3&K, and amy has a flashback to CD in adventure).
I know the background humans got replaced by furries, but from that Tails lore podcast thing they’re still around, just off screen.
I’m glad they havent rebooted the game canon. Yet.
The forces retcon was retconned back, Classic is just the past again, not an alternate dimension anymore.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah for the next week at least before they decide again otherwise in some gacha
6 months ago
Anonymous
Until then, it's just the past, it's been like that because everyone hated Forces lol
6 months ago
Anonymous
Hahaha, Forces was so dumb and I’m glad its dumbass retcon got retcon’d.
When did they change it back to the past? Haven’t played the open world game yet, was it said somewhere in there?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Mainly through side material like IDW and interviews but Frontiers also has a S3&K scene shown as a flashback.
6 months ago
Anonymous
He wasn’t his past self in a literal sense but in a meta sense. He’s how Sonic looked like back in the Genesis days therefore he’s Past Sonic. He didn’t literally look like that in-universe but to us, he did. The other characters even confuse him for Modern Sonic even though they look completely different. Even Modern thought he was looking at a mirror when meeting his past self.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>He wasn’t his past self in a literal sense but in a meta sense.
He was both.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yes but they get de-aged just as often in constant reboots.
It’s kind of amazing that game Sonic has held onto its continuity for as long as it has. Other than Forces splitting off Classic into its own thing there haven’t been any big retcons have there? And even then you can assume modern Sonic went through similar experiences to Classic (the mecha sonic comic included both the egg carrier from adventure and plenty of stuff from S3&K, and amy has a flashback to CD in adventure).
I know the background humans got replaced by furries, but from that Tails lore podcast thing they’re still around, just off screen.
I’m glad they havent rebooted the game canon. Yet.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Those flashbacks had them in their Modern designs, implying they’ve always looked like that. Classic is just an art style ala Toon Link nowadays.
>Generations made him 20 you tard.
And Forces made him over 30 or more when Infinite says Sonic and Eggman have fought for decades, if we want to be absolute morons and refuse to understand cartoon writing.
6 months ago
Anonymous
It’s funny people give Infinite flack yet he was way more effective of a villain then Surge
6 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, are you one of those tumblr morons like Randomthefox or something? I don't need to be seeing talking points from there recycled here. I didn't bring up Surge, and I wasn't even talking about Infinite as a judgement, I was calling the other anon a moron about ages.
6 months ago
Anonymous
No? I just think Infinite is underrated and gets to much shit lol I actually think I know which tumblr users your talking since there’s one, Drcrusher, who lets Ian Flynn and IDW live rent free in their head on how much they hate it, like can’t even talk about the bits of Sonic they like without cheap jabs at what they don’t, it’s pathetic
6 months ago
Anonymous
Games are open for public scrutiny, so if something shit happens like 06 or Boom it’s blood in the water for mockery
Noone reads the comic but hardcore sonic simps, so they guzzle whatever slop you give them, even if it’s dogshit
>I think people forget that Sonic is a 15 year old boy
I'm one of them. I'm one of those morons that still believes that sonic is 32 years old because the first game came out 32 years ago. No, I will not change my mind, never.
that's because he's a 90s mascot and has to be yelling cringy catchphrases every 20 seconds. Their ages never come up in the story, any other story the 20 year old isn't going to speak to the 15 year old like they're peers yet that's what Vector does with Sonic and Knuckles. They even removed all the ages off of all the characters' profiles because it's long past due to admit they've never been relevant in the games
THANK YOU, I thought I was going insane with so many crazy furries, kids and casuals trying to push the narrative that Sonic is evil or his comic is wrong because he's not either the Punisher killing all the villains or Captain America using politics to solve the problems they created or even Judge Dredd doing both at the same time.
Sonic is just literally a random kid, he's not even a genius kid in fact he's even quite stupid and short minded, he's technically not even a superhero he's just a well intentioned teenager who will save people lives if he just happen to see someone in danger in front of him.
Not directed at you, and I don't like IDW Sonic either, but where exactly does this notion that Sonic MUST kill his enemies or it's bad writing come from? Never, in any official incarnation of the character, has Sonic EVER killed his enemies. And I mean sentient, talking beings, not monsters of the week. At most, he's only ever defeated them or sealed them away. It's not like IDW TMNT where they constantly let villains get away with it where Mirage TMNT would've killed them at the first opportunity. I can understand getting annoyed or upset at that, yes. But Sonic? There's just no precedent for this, like, at all. >muh Endgame
Yeah, they fought, but we never see Sonic kill Robotnik. Nor is it ever even implied afterwards. (It was actually Snively that did it, remember?) And I'll remind you, that Archie Eggman is FAR more deserving of being killed by Sonic than IDW Eggman, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone complain as much about that than I do with IDW Sonic. >bu-but Shadow
It's pretty arguable whether or not he actually killed anyone in this comic, but even if he did, why doesn't anyone give HIM shit for not killing Eggman? Why is it JUST Sonic? There are plenty of other characters that can overpower and murder a middle-aged, overweight, mad scientist, even if he does have surprising strength at times. Why not Knuckles? Or Vector? Or any other number of characters with abilities and weapons that could do the deed?
Look, I get it, the whole "Heh, no, I don't kill my enemies-- oh no they are being bad again how is this happening to me???" concept is moronic and it didn't at all need to be explored at length like it has been, and at the VERY least, Eggman needs to be locked away somehow, and Sonic should be the one to personally do it... but criticizing an officially licensed Sonic The Hedgehog product for not showing Sonic straight up murdering Eggman is just a BIT silly. You guys project way too much onto this series, I swear.
I don’t really give a shit about the morality of Sonic either but the whole reason people give him shit for not killing is that the story made it a talking point and brought attention to it. If the comic didn’t constantly harp on it no one would notice. It’s the same shit as Batman, most super heroes don’t kill but special attention is given to Batman’s no kill rule in multiple comics which causes people to focus in on him alone.
>Look, I get it, the whole "Heh, no, I don't kill my enemies-- oh no they are being bad again how is this happening to me???" concept is moronic and it didn't at all need to be explored at length like it has been
This is why IDW gets so much shit for it, they brought it up and pointed out how nonsensical it is. Before that nobody had an issue with Sonic not killing because of course he wont, he’s a game mascot for kids. But the second you bring that up in universe and have the characters have serious conversations about it, the audience is told its something for them to think about instead of willfully ignore.
Sonic shouldn’t kill, but IDW was moronic for making a whole thing out of that rule and of course it resulted in the reaction that it got.
>Amy aged from 8 to 12
She didn't age you dolt, they just retconned her age, that's why newer Classic material also refers to Classic Amy as 12.
>that's why newer Classic material also refers to Classic Amy as 12
Wait, they have canon ages again? When did she get referred to as 12?
The problem is that IDW Sonic is actively opposed to so much as imprisoning Eggman and others, whereas game Sonic simply doesn't care and just leaves.
Sonic is supposed to be somewhat callous in a charming rogue-ish way, but Ian is trying to recontextualize him as more of a moralistic superhero.
Yeah, Sonic’s legit supposed to be an anti-hero. Dude’s on the side of good but he ain’t gonna be a boyscout about it. He just does what feels right to him.
>Sonic MUST kill his enemies or it's bad writing come from?
IDW itself? They were the ones that brought it up in a shallow attempt to be deep, and unsurprisingly it blew up in their face. It's pretty fricked how it's implied that Sonic is unironically more willing to kill his friends over his actual enemies.
Some people are just moronic.
Most people get annoyed with the comic because it refuses to engage in cathartic actions but ponders Sonic's ethics for some stupid reason. In any given game, Sonic will blow up Eggman's machine and send him flying. In the comics, Sonic will just grimace as Eggman walks away and the sniper character breaks down in tears when she can't kill him. It's ridiculous and unsatisfying.
Yeah as eye rolling as the "Why does the cartoon hedgehog not murder his enemies like a warrior born?!" people are, the real issue is IDW doesn't engage in any catharsis at all. Even wins feel like losses.
Comics eggman deserves a bullet in the back of the head, games eggman has enough charm to not make me wonder why no one kills him
The bigger issue is that the IDW Comics:
1. Make it unambiguous that Eggman intentionally kills people he isn't fighting and takes pleasure in it.
2. Bring up the insanity of keeping someone like that around without punishment.
3. Refuse to use narrative cheats like the games to satisfy the audience.
It's mostly 3, but 1 and 2 compound the issue. Stuff as simple as throwing a rock at Eggman as he escapes is enough to make the audience happy that an attempt was made. The consistent lack of retaliation towards Eggman makes the cast look irresponsible and apathetic.
When did 1 happen? I wouldn’t count metal virus, if that’s what you mean.
I still can’t believe people actually celebrated Tangle getting offhandedly mentioned in an easily skippable idle quote like it’s some big accomplishment. How fricking low are Tanglegays’ standards? Sega did the absolute barest minimum and they treated it like a huge victory.
It’s less about tangle and more about any form of sonic comic getting in-game acknowledgement.
6 months ago
Anonymous
The time he watched Shadow androids brutally murder Whisper's friends and was ecstatic about it. There's a couple scenes like this throughout IDW. Their Eggman is way too extreme for the tone of the book.
It all comes back to the comic ultimately not letting Archie go. IDW wants to salvage as much of the stakes, drama, and personalities that it could muster from the old canon, but none of that works without the decades of context to put any of that into perspective.
The comic tries to channel Archie Eggman, but it falls flat because AE was literally a soulless automaton programmed for genocide. You can't carry that over when it's so incompatible to how he's actually portrayed in the games, and it makes Sonic's stance on not doing anything about him all the worse.
6 months ago
Anonymous
> IDW wants to salvage as much of the stakes, drama, and personalities that it could muster from the old canon
Anon idw has no stakes or Drama wtf are you talking about ?
6 months ago
Anonymous
It TRIED to have those, like with the Metal Virus and Surge. Again, it's just that none of it works.
6 months ago
Anonymous
IDW
6 months ago
Anonymous
>IDW is trying to emulate Archie, but its not working. And its very evident because IDW is nothing like Archie.
I think people forget that Sonic is a 15 year old boy, and most of the time he just does whatever will settle things and return everything to normal, he oftentimes doesn't have a huge moral goal in mind, he just wants villains out of his life
If he can reform em? Great! But he's not exactly excited to be seeing them again
Why is that notion so odd to people on this website? I get not liking a character that makes no sense in terms of writing, but there's nothing wrong with a character's own morals and ideas making no sense because sometimes people's own morals and ideas make no sense too
A fiction character isn't gonna have 20/20 all knowing writer vision and think of everything and be totally emotionally rational and decisive
Not directed at you, and I don't like IDW Sonic either, but where exactly does this notion that Sonic MUST kill his enemies or it's bad writing come from? Never, in any official incarnation of the character, has Sonic EVER killed his enemies. And I mean sentient, talking beings, not monsters of the week. At most, he's only ever defeated them or sealed them away. It's not like IDW TMNT where they constantly let villains get away with it where Mirage TMNT would've killed them at the first opportunity. I can understand getting annoyed or upset at that, yes. But Sonic? There's just no precedent for this, like, at all. >muh Endgame
Yeah, they fought, but we never see Sonic kill Robotnik. Nor is it ever even implied afterwards. (It was actually Snively that did it, remember?) And I'll remind you, that Archie Eggman is FAR more deserving of being killed by Sonic than IDW Eggman, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone complain as much about that than I do with IDW Sonic. >bu-but Shadow
It's pretty arguable whether or not he actually killed anyone in this comic, but even if he did, why doesn't anyone give HIM shit for not killing Eggman? Why is it JUST Sonic? There are plenty of other characters that can overpower and murder a middle-aged, overweight, mad scientist, even if he does have surprising strength at times. Why not Knuckles? Or Vector? Or any other number of characters with abilities and weapons that could do the deed?
Look, I get it, the whole "Heh, no, I don't kill my enemies-- oh no they are being bad again how is this happening to me???" concept is moronic and it didn't at all need to be explored at length like it has been, and at the VERY least, Eggman needs to be locked away somehow, and Sonic should be the one to personally do it... but criticizing an officially licensed Sonic The Hedgehog product for not showing Sonic straight up murdering Eggman is just a BIT silly. You guys project way too much onto this series, I swear.
I'm going to sidestep this entire argument and ask a different question:
Why does Ian need to address the idea of killing Eggman at all? I get that this is a follow-through from the Mr Tinker storyline, but why even bring this up in the first place? This feels like something you shouldn't even have to think about in a Sonic story.
Similar question, why do they keep calling out Sonic not killing his enemies being the reason everything is always horrible? It's not like Sonic can ever be shown reconsidering his stance on that. It's not allowed.
This is how intersectional feminists are. All men are evil unless they are gay and/or trans. I'd add non-white but they'll throw black men under the bus just as quick as they do whites (See Shadow's treatment).
6 months ago
Anonymous
And all of those males are better than all the females. Guess you could only be a good character if you are a male or evil .One of those things correlates to being actually fun characters I don't cringe when I read them.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I consider Starline to be a gay male. Mimic is also asexual according to Evan
6 months ago
Anonymous
Starline being gay wasn't the plan at the start, but by Ian's own admission, when he saw how much the fandom was into it, he decided to lean full-on into it.
I believe writers shouldn't do such things, personally.
6 months ago
Anonymous
If he didn't lean into this shit, we wouldn't have had a real name for Nigel.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah Starline being a homosexual was just Ian not understanding how to write an over the top bombastic character and accidently comes off as a homo.
6 months ago
Anonymous
He was effeminate and worshiped Eggman. It was bound to happen.
6 months ago
Anonymous
The impression I got was Starline was supposed to be the "younger, hip new hotness" because he did things like vlogging his plans and trying to be as showy as possible.
6 months ago
Anonymous
"accidentally"
yeah sure that's what he says
6 months ago
Anonymous
Mimic should be straight so he can correct Whisper and Tangle with his tentacle’s
6 months ago
Anonymous
Mimic (and all the Diamond Cutters) are just a reference to Metal Gear Solid's Foxhound.
https://metalgear.fandom.com/wiki/Decoy_Octopus
6 months ago
Anonymous
I know, just wanted to slip in a bit of my villain on heroine/tentacle leanings
He threw out all his plans and never settled on a new one when Sega told him "No, they can't be cyborgs, they have to be flesh-and-blood furries".
6 months ago
Anonymous
They're still cyborgs.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Oh right, the change was that they went from being created by Finitevus to being *unclear* by Finitevus.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Sega told him "No, they can't be cyborgs, they have to be flesh-and-blood furries".
Other way around, they were going to be test-tube babies until Sega told Ian only Gerald Robotnik can do that. So Ian made them cyborgs that Starline kidnapped.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>until Sega told Ian only Gerald Robotnik can do that
That's moronic.
I guess he figures an ongoing comic meant to run indefinitely needs to address the topic of what to do with villains that keep coming back.
Difference is that Sonic isn't really a typical Cinemaphile hero so Ian can't really break out the usual excuses about due process or whatever.
It goes back to this problem.
The problem is that IDW Sonic is actively opposed to so much as imprisoning Eggman and others, whereas game Sonic simply doesn't care and just leaves.
Sonic is supposed to be somewhat callous in a charming rogue-ish way, but Ian is trying to recontextualize him as more of a moralistic superhero.
Ian is trying to fit Sonic's character into a mold he's not meant for.
Where he also trips up is that he feels that Sonic should explain himself. Sonic should never be "preachy", he's a man of action. Hell, Ian's Sonic is too chatty in general. Knowing when Sonic should just be silent would do the character wonders. Pic related.
Yeah Starline being a homosexual was just Ian not understanding how to write an over the top bombastic character and accidently comes off as a homo.
The impression I got was Starline was supposed to be the "younger, hip new hotness" because he did things like vlogging his plans and trying to be as showy as possible.
>Surge
Who is this c**t? She looks like Scourge
Did they retcon him into some kinda weird goth chick, or did they just happen to write a character who looks so much like him, has a similar personality by the looks of it, and even practically shares a name
Surge looks like Scourge because she's based on the same glitch (Ashura), but she's different. Scourge is basically just reverse sonic. Basically, she's android 18 if Goku was the reason RR captured her.
They made a character that looks like him. I won't say it's similar personality wise, because Sourge was flat out Evil Sonic, while Surge is an emotional Train Wreck that was created in lore to be evil Sonic, and didn't go well. And just in case, no real relation with Sourge outside the obvious callback in design, this a completely different continuity and canon, supposedly "in line" with the games for the time being, but we all know they are just a weir character portrayal or a bad day over at Sega for that to not be the case.
She’s not really anything like Scourge besides being based on the same glitch. Scourge was the actual evil Sonic, Surge is a cheap Sonic bootleg created by Starline.
They can't use Scourge due to legal ownership frickery (and Sega doesn't want them to use the Archie character that they do own anyway).
They made a character that looks like him. I won't say it's similar personality wise, because Sourge was flat out Evil Sonic, while Surge is an emotional Train Wreck that was created in lore to be evil Sonic, and didn't go well. And just in case, no real relation with Sourge outside the obvious callback in design, this a completely different continuity and canon, supposedly "in line" with the games for the time being, but we all know they are just a weir character portrayal or a bad day over at Sega for that to not be the case.
I think, to some degree, the similarities were intentional. Like they knew if they made an Ashura character, it would inevitably look like Scourge and they ran with it, like they did with Starline vs Finitevus. But yeah, it's mostly surface level.
Can we be real for a sec?
When IDW goes under, not if, will you frickers being crying about it not being like Archie and whining about mandates and OCs when it gets picked up by another publisher?
Because honestly, it's tiring when you do this to IDW, I don't want to do this is Sonic gets picked up by darkhorse or something.
>will you frickers being crying about it not being like Archie and whining about mandates and OCs when it gets picked up by another publisher?
Yes, absolutly.
I like the IDW comics and regularly look forward to reading them. They certainly aren’t perfect, but I still find them fun to read.
Cinemaphile is gonna be Cinemaphile and will hyperfixate and exaggerate any flaws. Not to say a lot of those criticisms wont be valid, just usually very overblown.
Whatever publisher and writing team picks up the sonic ip for comics after idw sinks, I can almost guaruntee there will be a lot of anons singing praises for IDW’s run then and saying whatever the new thing is is worse.
I miss my flamboyant platapus. He, Surge, and Kit are the only value that came out of IDW. I hope they sell the IP soon. That company can't have much life left in them right?
I'm not sure if it qualifies as ironic or not, but the fact twitter instantly began celebrating whatever the shorthand for SurgexAmy is the second this page was posted was enough to get half of it to start complaining about the fact this always happens amuses me.
Not enough to cut through the annoyance that it's happening in the first place, but still.
Anon, I don't know if you've noticed this, but most IDW fans on twitter do not actually read the book, they look at a few previews and draw/share fanart and that's it.
People like Surge's design and they were making fan content of her before her debut comic even came. Most didn't even read or have any idea of Surge's personality is actually like, which you could tell just by looking at the fanart in this very thread.
She's the truest form of pic related.
I used to read the comic (gave up after 64), Surge and Kit are only popular because the fanbase literally did all the marketing for IDW, built up unrealistic expecations, so anybody without shipping goggles on was left horibly disappointed with what we ultimately got.
Because I thought it was a fun story and I care more about that than fight matchups. The last issue was a bit wobbly - it kind of repeated shit and the way Eggmam is justified to walk off screen was trash - but overall it was a lot of shenanigans with good choreography.
The only good thing about Surge and Whisper being now officially part of the series is that now they're on the tight leash of SEGA and will stop Ian pushing for shitty lesbian overtones and instead going for homosexual tension with sonic and knuckles in Frontiers
Let's be honest, Sega doesn't give a shit about the comic itself, the only reason why they scrutinize the shit out of idw is to avoid another Penders Autismo Bonanza
I still can’t believe people actually celebrated Tangle getting offhandedly mentioned in an easily skippable idle quote like it’s some big accomplishment. How fricking low are Tanglegays’ standards? Sega did the absolute barest minimum and they treated it like a huge victory.
6 months ago
Anonymous
People are quick to assume Tangle being "canon to the games" means she's a worthwhile character.
Yet consider who's also "canon" to the Sonic games.
Anon i hate to tell you this but Ian isn't the one who sugested to add lesbian shit into the comic idw was the one who sugested since they keep adding that shit to every comic they own such as transformers and TMNT for example.
People on staff at IDW tend to have those political leanings, but you're right that there's nothing to suggest they prompt writers to do stuff like this.
I didn’t like either of them.
Ian’s just a shit writer if he didn’t make them useful and only let Sonic do shit, not because they’re redundant. Is Thor redundant because Hulk and Iron Man are strong?
I liked Bunnie because she was a cyborg like Shortfuse. The waifu angle got overused for her. Sally was lame. Antoine was the FF with the best storytelling potential but kept getting the shaft. Nobody knew what to do with Rotor. Nicole could have been fun but leaned into MUH WAIFU shit harder than any other character, it was obnoxious.
I like Sally’s character and am horny for her, does that work? She did get fricked over writing wise in early archie and even though Flynn did salvage her a fair bit still had moments that didn’t service her character but overall I still think she was a good character. Just wish most of the smut for her wasn’t dog shit lol
They admit by their actions alone. Look at the storytime -- they can never say why Sally and Bunnie are good characters -- but become horny when they are on a page and an artist sexes them up.
Say what you want about FF, but every one of them (even Rotor, even Dulcy) is better than the whole Crying Lesbians Squad, and I’m isn’t even a Archiegay.
So it doesn’t count just cause you say it is? You can not like them but don’t act like they suddenly are forgotten like a lot of the Adventures of Sonic characters not named Breezie or Scratch and Grounder when another ride is started and not even counting that there’s still content made with these characters and discussion still going for them long after Archie and Satam have ended
6 months ago
Anonymous
>So it doesn’t count just cause you say it is?
Don't even need to read the rest of your post, I can throw that back at you.
I wish that were true.
Bunnie is such a good character in terms of personality, powerset and design that I find it hard to believe that she was made 30 years ago while the game cast was just basic Mickey OCs for the most part.
And she's of an archetype that actually appears quite often in other pieces of fiction so I'm constantly reminded of her.
Bunnie's powers are in theory very interesting since she only has them on half her body. Her robot limbs are stacked with weapons, she's more comparable to robot characters like Omega and Gemerl than Knuckles or Tails, but a good bump on the head or a graze in her right arm can knock her out of the fight.
I don't think Archie ever really explored this concept well, though.
Yeah, and nobody ever considered the ridiculous logic behind Sonic's powers, but some of the comics writers had fun with them anyway. Who cares what wasn't accounted for? Have fun with the toys you're given.
I'm still mad we got a sequence where Tangle was yanked by the tail againstva wall and it wasn't used for the slapstick potential.
I mean they’re not that out of place plus it’s better then her character being ineffectual and unable to be supportive in a setting that prioritises characters that can fight over ones that can’t
I mean she could physically fight even in early Archie but didn’t mean much when every foe had powers or abilities she just didn’t so suppose she needed something to not be just mission control and to be able to be on the field more
Ha you know what fair enough, grenades, molotovs and landmine using Sally would be pretty fun
6 months ago
Anonymous
I also like it because it's kind of a callback to the Satam theme song, and it there could be potential in using Sonic to maneuver a target into a controlled demolition.
6 months ago
Anonymous
So like using Sonic to tenderise and lure them into a a detonation zone, yeah that does sound pretty cool and showcases how they coordinate and work together, could make for some fun fights with Bean as the other bomber
I mean that’s fair, maybe if they made it a bit more overtly green lantern construct esque it’d let Antoines bladed niche feel less redundant or more unique
I think tonfas would have been a better weapon for Sally. Maybe a bo staff. Something blunt rather than sharp. Make them electrified or something so she can hurt robots and boom.
Why does Sally have Cyber Wolverine claws that come out of her bracelet? Most of the Sonic characters just do stuff themselves, and if it's something beyond that they have a fitting prop (goofy toy hammer, pop gun, fishing rod, robot arm, etc). Why use this completely disconnected prop?
>Why does Sally have Cyber Wolverine claws that come out of her bracelet?
Her ring blades were implied to be the same tech as the ring bands from Knuckles' Chaotix, both made by Nicole's creator.
Well the out of universe answer is to build off what Mecha Sally had but in a heroic context but in the setting I guess it’s just something she has, we never really got an overt issue that gave backstory which might’ve made them less out of place for some people suppose
I'm not asking literally. I'm trying to explain why it makes for a lousy design.
I don't like the blades themselves, but what makes Sally having magic ring bracelets a lousy design? There's precedent for it, it's literally based on a game concept.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I already explained my thoughts process. Damn, dude.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You really didn't. You just said "thing bad". WHY aren't the bracelet fitting props? They're really no worse than Amy's hammer.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>"Wait, I don't get it, how is the pair of innocuous bracelets that transform into vague green lantern appendages visually incongruous with pulling a silly looking toy gun or hammer out from behind your back?
I know Sonic fans are autistic, but goddamn.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>magic rings are visually incongruous in a series full of magic rings
6 months ago
Anonymous
energy rings that transform into lightsabers, on a chipmunk with no previous lightsaber apparel known for being a tactical leader without weaponry, and very visually incongruous yes.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>energy rings that transform into lightsabers
Yes, and?... >on a chipmunk with no previous lightsaber apparel known for being a tactical leader without weaponry
It was a reboot. They went harder on Sally because she needed it. They wanted her to be known for her lightsabers and not for nagging Sonic.
This is like saying Blaze the cat can't have fire powers because Big the cat doesn't.
6 months ago
Anonymous
No it's like saying Big the Cat can't randomly start flying around in a Tardis because he's never been about using a Tardis before.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Big the Cat can't randomly start flying around in a Tardis because he's never been about using a Tardis before.
How about flying around in a hoverbike? Or is that incongruous too?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Sally's arm blades feel random and complicated for a series with visual design so strong that most people don't even question how Knuckles can glide.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I just see it as a natural extension of things like Shadow's inhibitor rings.
Well the out of universe answer is to build off what Mecha Sally had but in a heroic context but in the setting I guess it’s just something she has, we never really got an overt issue that gave backstory which might’ve made them less out of place for some people suppose
I miss all the fun surge and sonic art and greens. I swear these threads have become more depressing since surge left and it became tangle and whisper arc for like a year.
Imposter Syndrome and the stuff immediately following definitely seemed like the height of excitement among the people reading, there was tons of discussion and fan content made during that time. The last few issues were definitely controversial but people seemed invested even if they were angry.
The readership does seem more apathetic now.
People were saying how much they wanted smaller more self contained stories but it seems like most people dont care much for them. Some of that is due to the characters being used though, for sure.
That's as much something happening as when Sonic said "Big oof". It's an event that highlights just how much NOTHING is happening by drawing attention to it.
Ah yes. I will never forgive this book for turning him into Tom Holland Peter Parker if Tom Holland Peter Parker was beholden to crying lesbians instead of Iron Man.
yeah I'm happy I came around then, it was a good start for me as a drawgay and for Cinemaphile. It's sad because the comic threads are objectively more negative now. I feel a lot of people saw it as the last hope of IDW sonic, I even remember some people refusing to believe surge was ruined/a jobber. Saying we have two more issues 1 more issue, but in the end it wasn't the worst arc but nowhere near as good as it could have been.
Yeah I'm a avid Tangle hater, but I try not to be overly negative but Lanolin is another boring character to me. I definitely believe it's the characters I think self contained is fine but this whole current arc and last arc felt like it forced the Ocs on us and as my friend said as we read it the best parts were the game characters and it became a trog when the ocs are the leads/on panel. I do think Surge is the best as she's fun to watch fail and had potential to actually beat sonic even though she failed miserably.
But I'm happy surge is back and maybe she'll do something interesting. Maybe her backstory will be cool and maybe she'll commit to pure villainy like Ian said he wanted, but I believe Evan is the lead writer now.
>surge is back and maybe she'll do something interesting.
Amy's Steven Universe-esque "let's all be friends" mentality will cause Surge to question her true plan of killing Sonic. Kit realizes this and doesn't take it well, causing him to walk out on her.
Despite everything that happens Surge ends up trying to kill Sonic anyway leaving Amy in tears regardless of the fact Surge is trying to kill the person who supposidely matters the most to her. Surge decides she just can't be a good guy but once again fails to defeat Sonic and leaves.
Same as it ever was, just with more lesbian overtones than ever.
God if they push surge x amy, I will be so pissed. Also sad you probably just predicted everything that will happen but you forgot to mix in mimic. Odds are he will be the one fricking with surge framing her and making her go nuclear. I wonder if I'll even waste the money buying this arc. I do hope it has a bit of more nuance than being that simple, but idk what they could do that won't make amy being a dumbass and as annoying as forgiving sonic. I feel the Cinemaphile and /sthg/ meme of schizonic is 1000x better than the idw pussy forgive em all sonic.
They won't be literally pushing Surge x Amy, but twitter will interpret it as such.
The weird part is the description made it sound as if Amy straight up didn't trust Surge, and rightfully so after everything Surge did which means she shouldn't be allowed to walk around freely. That's not what's on display here.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, annoys me as I remember I was saying Amy would frick surge up. Now they are drinking tea together what happened to Amy she's never been portrayed as stupid in this comic so far. She even beat up rough and tumble even though she knew they were mostly dumbass mooks, why is a literally schizo like surge given a break. Especially since she hurt tails who's like her lil bro and sonic her crush. But yeah as someone said above I guess if you are a girl you get a excuse kek.
I know twitter will view it as surgamy which is funny as, I think it may end up a bit different than we think. It seems based on my scroll through the surgamy and sonurge tags the other day(how I ended up seeing the OP image) seems people are calling out the Surgamy schizos for being....well schizos. They are like old school sonamy fans, and really surgamy fans have been seething since surge was made lol. They really did look petty and pathetic shipping two characters that never met and then shitting on every other surge ship. I remember yaoi shippers being the worst back in the day now yuri shippers are the worst.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>They are like old school sonamy fans
No one is like old school sonamy fans.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I'm to young to have experienced them in full were they even worse than I remember anon?
>Now they are drinking tea together what happened to Amy she's never been portrayed as stupid in this comic so far.
The current plan for Amy seems to be "someone who sees the best in everybody and wants to make sure everybody feels loved", which ironically also seems to involve downplaying her romantic love for Sonic.
I don't feel it's the best course of action personally, really reminds me too much of Steven Universe and this irritating modern mentality of "there's good in everybody".
True the whole comic is the bs you can't just hate someone even though people that make that concept are usually the most secretly hateful kek.
Also yeah, it makes no sense she knows Surge literally said the equivalent of I'll kill everyone because I'm sad. Also almost burned her and her friends alive, traumatized her other friend, tried to kill her love interest and bury him alive. Like what does it take for you morons to get mad, as you said it's that SU tier some how no one ever gets mad or thinks ok nah you too far done. Need Sonic or Amy to go itadori "I'm you and I don't care you've got to die even if it make s me evil".
In the end I do enjoy Amy being goodie two shoes and cutesy. so I'll give it a chance but I hope she has a backbone and doesn't just let Surge frick her over and then just says maybe next time.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Honestly, I'm hoping Amy's just putting up a face of actually wanting to trust Surge and Kit here.
I know that won't be the case, but at least that'd make more sense.
6 months ago
Anonymous
That'd be cool, like the whole have your friends close and enemy closer vibes. But with how pussyfoot the writing is in idw sonic she probably has genuinely forgiven her sadly.
I know we don't want pure edge but really I feel this is the opposite side. I don't even know what to call this shit?
my hopes of this arc is >Whisper wants to fight surge >Silver gets validated and Lanolin steps down from leader >Amy is not fully trusting surge >Good Surge v Sonic (surge finally wins) >Surge v Amy(Amy wins) >Surge goes full evil and gets fully put in Sonic's and co's frick you category no more babying and oh she's a innocent widdle victim. Surge is now a beat her ass on site villian >Mimic or clutch recruit surge >Mimic actually does some covert ops cool stuff >Mimic gets caught by whisper fun soldier fight >lanolin and tangle do nothing and get no panels
I know none of this will happen but I want to believe.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>surge finally wins
Surge cannot win. Her whole purpose is to oppose a character that is mandated to never lose.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I mean sonic can lose if it's not a final loss so as I said Sonic loses, Amy wins. It should work as a Heroes win in the end thing. But yeah she'll probably job and get another sonic beat down and cry and beg like usual.
also hopefully they accomplish the impossible and give Surge a better motivation
I hope so, but let's be real they don't even know what surge wants. She both wants to kill eggman but also sonic, she wants to be the real hero because sonic won't but also destroy everything she kept talking in circles.
6 months ago
Anonymous
also hopefully they accomplish the impossible and give Surge a better motivation
6 months ago
Anonymous
implying she has any real motivation to begin with
6 months ago
Anonymous
I missed the part where Kit steps in and drowns Amy.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Now they are drinking tea together what happened to Amy she's never been portrayed as stupid in this comic so far.
The current plan for Amy seems to be "someone who sees the best in everybody and wants to make sure everybody feels loved", which ironically also seems to involve downplaying her romantic love for Sonic.
I don't feel it's the best course of action personally, really reminds me too much of Steven Universe and this irritating modern mentality of "there's good in everybody".
6 months ago
Anonymous
In adventure 1 she reformed a fricking eggman robot, and in 2 she reformed shadow when he was still on board with worldwide genocide.
Both times, she did it by being nice and believing there’s good in everyone. This really isn’t a new direction for her.
I do miss the sonic stalking, though. It’s cool they can be relaxed friends around each other but it’d be fun if she got to let out her crazy obsessed side a little bit too.
6 months ago
Anonymous
The difference is Amy REALLY shouldn't be doing the same thing with Surge, because Surge is demonstrably insane, unstable and dangerous.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>demonstrably insane, unstable and dangerous
So...Like Amy when she chases Sonic if she were written in character?
6 months ago
Anonymous
As opposed to sa2 shadow and a random eggman mech?
Besides, Surge seems to be acting civil. If she were going schizo electrocution mode things would be different but as is she’s willing to sit down and drink tea.
There’s plenty of problems in IDW but Amy being all for villain reformation - even mentally unstable ones - isn’t out of character for her.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Amy and Gamma is dramatically overblown. It was just >give me the bird >no >you're doing something nice for a dumb bird? Does. Not. Compute. I am going...SENTIEEEENNT AAAAIIIIEEEEEEEE SAVE ME Black personMAN alright i'll open the door then you can go
6 months ago
Anonymous
It was kino, frick you.
6 months ago
Anonymous
it was Amy just saying no to giving him the bird and Gamma instantly turning good. Because it's dumb babyshit made for babies, and you're a stunted nostalgic man-baby.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>No, execution does not matter. Everything must be assessed by its depth and complexity.
Either a child or autistic.
6 months ago
Anonymous
What "execution", lmao?
Please tell the classroom how low-poly Amy saying "nuh uh meanypoopypants robot I won't give you birdy" is a scorsese masterpiece
6 months ago
Anonymous
To be fair she didn't really reform Gamma, the flicky did, and as for Shadow, she didn't know that he was in on Gerald's plot until after she tried to appeal to him, after which she accidentally made him remember Maria's real final words. There's a reason her role was replaced with Chris Thorndike in Sonic X
>I even remember some people refusing to believe surge was ruined/a jobber. Saying we have two more issues 1 more issue
I had forgotten about that. Man people took the Surge humiliation hard.
>I definitely believe it's the characters I think self contained is fine but this whole current arc and last arc felt like it forced the Ocs on us and as my friend said as we read it the best parts were the game characters and it became a trog when the ocs are the leads/on panel
You know what, you and your friend are absolutely right. If that arc about the growing emerald city had just been the game characters doing their thing I’d have liked it much more. I skimmed over the OC drama because I just didnt care. How the hell did a big action arc with so many powerhouses around feel like such a nothingburger?
Lanolin is such a boring character, she’s an exhausted bossy authority figure and that’s not what I read Sonic for. And I’m so damn tired of Whisper and her sobby backstory trauma. I just dont give a shit about Tangle.
Fans didn’t give her the personality or role she has now.
I think I remember some old tweet or sketch by one of the writers/artists saying the gag with Lanolin is that she’s a sheep that’s always tired but never gets to sleep, since sheep are associated with sleeping. Kind of a forced joke but I could see a character like that making for fun recurring background gags or something. Instead they make her a new major character tough girl bossy b***h.
Fans liked the cute design and fat breasts, we didn’t ask for this.
6 months ago
Anonymous
The only thing that matters is that they responded to her, that was all that was needed.
I personally feel introducing Tangle so soon was a mistake, like they hadn't learned anything from Archie at all, and in the end I was proven right.
Yeah, I mean 50 had so much hype and fan art then she got one sided beat down. She was getting ragdolled and looney tuned then you had the infamous bucket scene.
YES, exactly why even go to the OCs all they did was have the gay ass tangle and whisper fight scene end. Oh wow thanks for taking us away from seeing the most game characters in one place in forever to see the crying lesbians cry over some bs. I also like whisper but I swear tangle drags her character down to shit tier.
Again it felt like nothing because we focused more on the Ocs walking around and talking about tumblr tier drama about low confidence and trauma they have. Over seeing all the game characters literally fighting a army of shadows and classic eggman bots which sounds like something kid me would have squealed about like a lil girl.
Yeah everyone I know hates lanolin, but we didn't get the benefit of seeing her as a sexy sheep Oc made by ABT like most of Cinemaphile and /sthg/ did. So to me she's just as you said boring, and worse because I know she's ABT pet project Oc which somehow makes her cringer than even Tangle. Really it make no sense for her to order anyone around characters when she joined the not freedom fighters like 4 months ago in world canon. How can she talk shit to Silver the hero of their world and Whisper a veteran soldier, her being a leader makes no sense and yeah tangle is just there to simp for whisper and get her to cry. As people have said lanolin's really just fake sally.
You aren't wrong the villians are at least fun even Zavok had a good arc in Bad Guys.
I hope with my whole heart too anon but odds are they'll either go good or have more cringe surge crying bs.
>Lanolin is such a boring character, she’s an exhausted bossy authority figure and that’s not what I read Sonic for.
and yet consider she only became so prominent because fans obsessed over her despite being just a background character.
Fans are literally ruining this comic worse than it already was.
To be fair that's not fair as she's ABT oc and he really pushed her himself. So fans were like "yo who is this character we keep seeing" and unlike other bg characters she got unique poses and expressions so she felt less stock. Of course a fan would wonder who they are.
Reading these issues again made me realize that Lanolin isn’t IDW’s Sally, she’s IDW’s Geoffrey St John. >treats everyday like someone pissed in their cheerios >has no superpowers other than having some skills with weapons, yet the narrative still treats them as some kind of super soldier >always starts shit with their teammates, seemingly having more resentment with them than Eggman >belittles hedgehogs, smugly calling them inexperienced children despite the hedgehogs constantly saving the world while they did nothing >hogs the spotlight away from game characters >completely ruins the vibe of the series, treating everything as a serious war instead of a lighthearted adventure >is blatantly one of the creator’s pets
Geoffrey was uninspired for a lot of his run, but I enjoyed it when he got used as Sonic's Javert figure or Max's punching bag. And then Potto managed to use him as the central character for the best arc he's ever written...until the Pendering ruined everything.
Honestly, I don't really see them as the FF stand-ins because they're way too formal and organized for it. The FF were primarily a group of friends, not a fricking day job.
Sonic answering to a royal family is weird, but Sonic answering to an NGO is downright bizarre.
>Their Eggman is way too extreme for the tone of the book.
Only when he's dealing with IDW-original characters does he revert to Archie-Eggman, when dealing with game-original characters he reverts to the image that more people are familiar with.
Yeah, I don't get it. It's such a strange way to go about things. I'd argue Metal Virus Eggman was kind of in-between, with the book trying way too hard to not let him lose face.
That’s not really out of character for game eggman. If he gets pissed and loses his cool he can genuinely try to kill sonic and his little friends out of rage, atleast until he goes back to playing with them.
The time he watched Shadow androids brutally murder Whisper's friends and was ecstatic about it. There's a couple scenes like this throughout IDW. Their Eggman is way too extreme for the tone of the book.
Huh. I’d completely forgotten he’d even been aware of the diamond cutters.
>Just remembered this issue deus ex'd Omega a brand new body and ended by immediately destroying it so they had to find Omega a new body in the next story arc.
Does Ian just not have editors?
His tails are in front of him. They maybe could have thrown in some speedlines or something or better posed Rogue but if you really want to b***h about the page, all the gutters are giant and the top panel has a metric shitton of deadspace. Also the framing for the bottom panels is all weird.
Other than that, the page composition isn't really terrible. Eye flows across the page well. I've seen a lot worse all the damn time from western artists. Grading on a curve it's like a 7/10.
Yeah, it's not egregious or anything, just has some awkward shit in it. Though that's my issue with the art in general. It looks nice on the surface, but has a lot of little things that bug me, and takes me out of it more than it really should.
She is an OC, therefore I am predisposed to not liking her, plus she has a moronic design, plus she's the designated leader for no discernible reason, plus she acts like a c**t to game characters.
She is suddenly magically considered a high level experienced commando with seniority over Silver(who was a commander and frontline fighter in the six month war) when she was a desk jockey until after the Metal Virus. That is not good writing.
Thank you anon, I swear also remember she canon joined the restoration after sometimes after issue 1. Meaning even Tangle has more experience than her, also how can you command people when you've never even saved the world. Even Whisper has helped saved the world like twice >metal sonic >zeti's/metal virus
But somehow a rookie that has only been around since a bit before the metal virus can talk down to her and Silver. I remember me and my buddies were saying how Silver would rape the Diamond cutters in a fight he is literally the only one with a real power and experience, even Mimic a assassin was like oh frick Silver is him.
>Silver: can I please join your team >Lanolin: Idk if you can be part of our team silver you are inexperienced >Me: b***h you are the rookie wtf
God that whole mini arc relied on you either not knowing sonic, or turning your brain off. Whisper knows mimic best, lanolin has no experience with him but she tells her she's wrong. Also the joke of silver and whisper being bad at hiding was dumb whisper is a sniper how is she bad at hiding.
Thats a problem with Silver's writing, not Lanolin's character. >suddenly magically considered
Yes, she is "high level ultra super spetsnaz" in the volunteer charity army. Its because she works a lot, thats it. You are mad about Power Levels.
Oh yeah I forgot that lol, she literally dogged silver as if he was a kid. Silver literally fought in like 2 world wide disasters while she was a pencil pusher, in fact for one of those threats she was living at home wearing a sundress Solder my ass.
homie what? She literally says she and Whisper are goddamn soldiers and talks like Silver isn't. What the frick does that have to do with power levels?
6 months ago
Anonymous
The fact that she was crying like a little girl three or so issues ago makes this seem stupid.
6 months ago
Anonymous
kek, can't wait for her to cry again while hugging and apologizing whisper in like 2 issues.
I'm still waiting for this book to acknowledge how both the Resistance and the Restoration only exist because of him.
Did he really make the group?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Did he really make the group?
Pretty much. At the end of Forces Knuckles suggests disbanding the resistance but Silver says there's still work to be done and they have to keep going so from there the resistance becomes the Restoration.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Ah damn, to bad Silver is for some reason the Sonic universes b***h lil bro. Like he went from a badass that could beat the frick out of sonic to a crybaby that gets treated like a kid.
6 months ago
Anonymous
He's Tom Holland Peter Parker now
6 months ago
Anonymous
Heh someone needs to redraw that one pic of whisper holding his head to her thigh but with lanolin. Silver is made for /ss/ but he's not a shota
6 months ago
Anonymous
They should introduce a Kid Silver like Dragon Ball did Kid Trunks, or just age him down with time shenanigans.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I bet if they did silver would go from being divisive to the most beloved character, /ss/ bros would get so much art of him made. Also he does work better as a kid sadly
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Silver is made for /ss/ but he's not a shota
It's more that Silver's personality was changed into that because just using Tails is a no-no for Twitter.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Silver’s always been a rubbish character, it’s just why he is has changed now lol
6 months ago
Anonymous
I don't know about rubbish he has a lot of potential and has been well written before it's just he has been getting weirdly written for a while now. Also he's not the best of the hedgehogs but he's still one of the 3 and has some cool moments
6 months ago
Anonymous
Archie Silver was legit a great character when Ian wasn't having him bumble his way through the traitor storyline.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah frick that traitor storyline felt like an excuse to make silver look foolish and like a dick. Like sonic literally dragging him through the streets just to make him look like a butthole.
Silver has potential but they fumble it hard.
>Silver is made for /ss/ but he's not a shota
It's more that Silver's personality was changed into that because just using Tails is a no-no for Twitter.
True, but hey just let tails be a kid then and silver more grown up
6 months ago
Anonymous
>True, but hey just let tails be a kid then and silver more grown up
This honestly, they need to stop leaning on the naive thing so hard and just let him be Trunks.
6 months ago
Anonymous
To be honest i’m super biased against him as it feels like he’s a blackhole character who when he shows up makes the plot revolve around him and drags everyone else into his plotlines, I just don’t like him but can see how and why he has a fanbase
6 months ago
Anonymous
That's because he's way more protagonist-y than nearly any other character and he's always brought in by urgent circumstances. It's like in TSR where Sonic is just chilling and enjoying the race but Silver is actually trying to find and deal with the problem.
6 months ago
Anonymous
That could work in small burst, sonic being free and chilling Silver stressing and trying to find the future problem. Could be a good chance to have the hedgehogs to hang out together I feel we never see them hanging out solo together just duo bros.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You think Silver is something beyond Soldier or even Soldier. Thats Power Level measuring.
6 months ago
Anonymous
What? What the frick is wrong with you? He was in a fricking war and these women weren't. How is measuring actual experience power level homosexualry?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Anytime someone uses the word power level when you bring up a good point ignore them anon. He seems like a schizo he just keeps screeching power levels at every response.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Anytime someone uses the word power level when you bring up a good point ignore them anon. He seems like a schizo he just keeps screeching power levels at every response.
Because its not about experience but rank. Go on, keep saying that he deserves to be bossing Lanolin instead because of ... ?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Anytime someone uses the word power level when you bring up a good point ignore them anon. He seems like a schizo he just keeps screeching power levels at every response.
Also, can you speed up being dumbfounded, so we can go back to the problem being with how Silver was written, and not how Lanolin's character is portrayed.
Thats a problem with Silver's writing, not Lanolin's character. >suddenly magically considered
Yes, she is "high level ultra super spetsnaz" in the volunteer charity army. Its because she works a lot, thats it. You are mad about Power Levels.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Can't it be both since Lanolin sucks and Silver could/should be written like more of a competent character rather than a starstruck kid since he's the same age as all of them
We all do, I do enjoy her not being purely schizo but I'd love some of IDW amy being good and useful but also having schizo moments. Like her stalking sonic but trying hard not to be noticed and knowing it's weird. That'd be a fun short side comic or joke, maybe make a joke she somehow always around randomly lol.
I missed the part where Kit steps in and drowns Amy.
Ha he definitely would, that'll be how they escape.
this comic is so fricking BORING
oh geez Amy sitting at a table making pig faces while eating icecream how heckin exciting
americans turn everything into sitcons
Just the women. Us dudes still like the action shit.
I'm getting real sick of characters sitting around eating food in comics
The Sonic comic isn't made for Sonic fans, it's made for mentally ill shippers. No one in Sonic's target demo is going to read the comic where the annoying IDW OCs hog all the spotlight
It shouldn’t be so fricking difficult. Episodic action adventure stories with the occasional 2-4 parter. There, simple.
They just did that. The latest stories are a short two part story featuring Knuckles and Cream. Nobody cared about it. The game characters cannot draw a dime. The OCs are the only characters who get any engagement from the readers.
Whisper sitting in a plastic bush inside a shopping mall watching Mimic through binoculars, then getting yelled at by Lanolin and crying isn't an action adventure story
Knuckles calling up his Chaotix buddies and going after The Babylon rouges is an adventure story. And nobody seemed to give a shit about it.
>And nobody seemed to give a shit about it.
And how do you know this?
This board wasn’t talking about it. Twitter wasn’t talking about it.
And? You think this board and Twitter are emblematic of the tastes of the average reader? Newsflash, they’re not. Touch grass.
Which website should they go for reader feedback o all knowing one?
They can't do shit with the game-canon characters because Sega mandates them heavily.
Say what you want about Belle constantly bawling her eyes out, but she's literally making up for the main cast being unable to.
You want Sonic to be a fricking crybaby?
>The latest stories are a short two part story featuring Knuckles and Cream. Nobody cared about it.
Yeah, because it took SIXTY PLUS ISSUES just for the comic to finally get to the point it should've been issue ONE. Of fricking course no one's going to care at that point.
Hell, I was already burnt out of this comic because of the dogshit Metal Virus arc, and there wasn't much the comic could do to bring me back at that point.
I cared about it. At least, the Cream story. It was fun.
>it's made for mentally ill shippers
That sounds like me, except there's nothing actually worth shipping between the ugly tumblrina IDW ocs. Their personalities past a surface level are interchangeable, they don't have anything meaningful between eachother, their lore, setting and history with eachother is nonexistent and honest to god they just don't fricking do anything. Just sit around on their fat asses all day and maybe they'll fight a motobug again later.
yeah lol the comic doesn't even have a story. It's a bunch of boring saccharine bozos milling around the inside of a shopping mall waiting for Eggman to do something. What's the difference if you ship the lesbos, they hold hands while they wait around for Eggman to do something? It doesn't change anything in what they do anyway
>annoying IDW OCs hog all the spotlight
Oh my god its almost like the old times. I wonder who would be like the Penders and Ian Potto of Archie sonic
Ian is the Penders this time (shits everything up), Evan is the Ian (shits everything up even harder but people give her praise for just not being the Penders)
Evan is more like the Bollers. People hardly know they even exist and act like Ian/ Penders writes the entire comic.
Barnes is more like the new Flynn.
We’ll see once Barnes comes to the main comics and there’s a sudden immediate change of artist that makes Barnes’ stories much more readable than the ones previous
and everyone mistakes the prettier art for a better story, when it’s filled with even more politics, relationship cuckery and muh echidna lore than came previous
>Evan is the Ian (shits everything up even harder but people give her praise for just not being the Penders)
I thought it's generally acknowledged that Ian's run on Sonic Archie was great? (Until it's cancellation)some say he's like the savior of Archie sonic
Ian does have an army of slop-eating simps, yes. His stories were also fricking dogshit. Like the 3-year Mecha Sally arc he was trying to do. Or the Tails cuckery arc he made 100x worse. Or making all of reboot a giant Unleashed adaptation.
>I thought it's generally acknowledged that Ian's run on Sonic Archie was great? (Until it's cancellation)some say he's like the savior of Archie sonic
You're right, but you know there's always going to be detractors.
Lmao no. Going through Ian’s Archie run chronologically there’s:
>More of Sonic’s relationshit drama
>Needless and overabundant lore and exposition dumping
>An entire arc spent on Sir Connery and everybody’s favourite part of the Sonic games: the Kingdom of Acorn’s monarchy
>The death of everybody’s favourite character Tommy Turtle, why yes this is the perfect thing to waste Tails’ DESTINY from #56 on
>Ruining Rouge’s character beyond repair, Round 1
>Turning Tails into a cuck, Round 2
>House of Cards
>Yet MORE political shit
>Yet MORE of Sonic’s relationshit drama
>The Sonic X comic run
>Wasting more than a year’s worth of irl time on Scourge standing around in Sonic’s treehouse doing nothing, without managing to let the SS do literally anything or even reveal anything on their backstories, because of course if they aren’t a hedgehog then who cares about them?
>More of every FF except Sonic being treated as useless and unimportant, Rotor even gets his back broken and nothing has changed as of yet
>The worst possible way anyone could’ve wasted an MXYL Universe arc
>Ruining Rouge’s character again
>An FCBD issue dedicated to showing how powerful and unstoppable Sonic is and how useless and worhless all his friends and rivals are in comparison and how they couldn’t hope to even compare
>Journey to the East, an interesting concept that of course must be wasted on 4 issues of Sally doing political shit
>King Naugus, which of course results in nothing except MORE political shit
>Mecha Sally, a test in just how long Ian can stretch his arcs for no reason at all
>The planned ensuing arc wherein Sonic would go looking for “real” Sally
>The Unleashed adaptation, and spending literally all of Reboot on it
And of course
>The 2nd Megaman Crossover, a crossover so unbelievably terrible and so expensive, that put so many of Archie’s IP eggs into one basket that the ensuing terrible quality, overstretched plot where nothing happens in most of the issues, badly stitched-in Zeti, useless should-be MVP characters like X, overly shilled original OCs that everyone hated (cough cough XANDER PAYNE) and idiotic one-issue deus ex machinas designed to remove all stakes nearly bankrupted Archie and was THE driving force behind their decision to cancel Archie. An arc so goddamn fricking terrible it got Archie Sonic cancelled forever. That’s what the 2nd Megaman crossover is.
“b-but muh pellerito scapegoat!”
The job of a writer is to make writing entertaining. If Flynn cannot even do that to keep the sales of that arc up to even the usual standard of reboot issues, then he is a terrible writer.
Fact of the matter is Ian’s Archie run was garbage, people hold him in high status because he came off the back of Penders.
Yes I copypastad all of this.
>“b-but muh pellerito scapegoat!”
Pellerito is the guy people point to when they call Ian a bad writer, stupid. You're thinking of Kaminski.
>THE driving force behind their decision to cancel Archie.
Damn I didn't know this. is this true? I thought it was ultimately caused by Penders
Penders caused a Reboot to get rid of his author-owned characters for legal reasons, but they kept going.
That story that came years later was a huge financial disaster that influenced archie to stop licensing Sonic and only write their own stories from then on (which worked very well for them and was a great decision, the Riverdale series made them huge bank)
>Penders caused a Reboot to get rid of his author-owned characters for legal reasons
Thank god for that, the guy was obsessed with making Knuckles the de facto main character for some reason and gave him hundreds of relatives.
Literally none of Penders characters were good, Surge is already better than anything he ever created.
>Surge is already better than anything he ever created.
She's literally a knockoff Scourge that somehow ended up with an even worse backstory.
She is way better than Scourge, Sourge was just alternate universe Sonic but evil copying DC Ultraman like a hundred other mainstream franchises did, what would make him a mediocre character if he didn't want to take over the world for literally no reason at all even though that would never fit Sonic character even if he was evil making him and his story just trash.
Scourge was an actual menacing villain who could throw down when he had to.
Surge jobs to buckets.
competency and power level are irrelevant to writing quality or even fun, in fact the generic shitty fan fiction donut OC villain or mary sue new character is nearly 100% of the time overpowered
motherfricker if your villain isn't even remotely close to a threat nobody can be invested in the story because theres 0 stakes
That's bullshit half of all iconic villains are hardly a threat to the hero, half of Batman and Spider-Man villains are punchbags.
The only Batman villain that hasn’t beat him the frick up before and won at least once is that gag villain from Knightfall ‘The Lancer’
Nearly no Batman villain even beat him but Joker and Ra, if you are including short lived victories Surge did actually beat Sonic into submission and only lost in the end due to getting to emotionally carried making her gadgets drain her energy rather than Sonic actually finding a way to beat her.
No, they ALL have beaten him. Name a single one of them I can name you the story where he’s beaten to an inch of his life from them while they’re happy, relaxed and preaching gospel and coming up with an ingenious way just to escape with his life.
It may not be obvious since the 2000s when he became a Justice League heavy player, but the typical formula of a Batman story is:
>Batman tries to stop villain, gets absolutely fricking annihilated
>crawls away just out of their reach, recuperates
>comes back more prepared this time and wins
Amygdala has done it. Mad Hatter has done it. Scarecrow has done it. Cornelius Stirk has done it. Motherfricking Calendar Man has done it.
Gary Stus like Sonic who win just because the author coddles them aren’t appealing, people who win through effort are.
Not him, but give me a Penguin story like that.
Detective Comics 14
Batman gets his shit smacked-in by Poison Ivy, whose out to try and kill Penguin
Penguin was smarter than both of them and boobytrapped the place leaving them both for dead
Carries unconscious Ivy off to torture her to death in his own privacy, leaves Batman alive out of respect
Batman wakes up and starts getting his face smacked-in by Clayface
Next issue he gets beat up by a mindraped Clayface, runs for his life back to the Batcave, comes back later in a suit designed to break his mindrape, Clayface busts up the street in a rage and Bruce runs off admitting he doesn’t want to face Clayface when he’s in this state
That's what I said, they all had short lived victories, Surge actually managed to overpower and subdue Sonic and would kill him if she didn't frick up everything by herself.
“Overpowering Sonic” by killing herself isn’t a victory, it’s a display that even with numerous buffs she’s not allowed to win over the gary stu and Sonic’s not allowed to run off knowing he’s outmatched
Anon, if a 12 year girl manage to take you down, immobilize you while threatening to beat you to death you while you shit yourself in fear like Surge did to Sonic just to spare your life due to having a breakdown no one will think you "won"
Surge is the same age as Sonic, and the only who shit themselves there was Surge after using up so much energy, Sonic was fine after her meltdown.
A breakdown isn’t passing out from exhaustion, it’s proving she needed heavy drugs and steroids and a super suit that feeds off her blood to last 5 seconds in a fight with you, and then she loss anyway because she couldn’t even use those various moronic buffs long enough to beat you because you’re a badly written gary stu
>A breakdown isn’t passing out from exhaustion
The exhaustion was caused by her getting too carried away rather than being cold and just killing him like she could
>it’s proving she needed heavy drugs and steroids and a super suit that feeds off her blood to last 5 seconds in a fight with you
absorbing energy to increase her strenght is one of her main abilities, it's hardly "drugs and steroids" when she can easily do it in every fight, it was her regular powers
>and then she loss anyway because she couldn’t even use those various moronic buffs long enough to beat you because you’re a badly written gary stu
Sonic only surviving due to his opponent fricking themselves up in a way he didn't caused at all after being cornered only made her victory even more objective.
>rather than being cold and just killing him like she could
She couldn’t. She was trying to kill him the entire fight and yet couldn’t land a single hit until she overloaded it. Same with their fight previous. Try again.
>She couldn’t
Yes she could, she got overwhelmed due to her emotions rather than needing to use more power than she could and Sonic can't claim it as his victory because he didn't even outsmarted her, her trauma just fricked her in the very last second. She pulled the typical Thanos "I would totally win if I didn't sabotage myself" shit.
Her trauma didn’t frick shit, in the first fight he’s running circles around her and tripping her on buckets while complaining about his broken ankle. In the second fight she cannot land a single hit while he’s just casually chatting the entire time. The only time she ever manages to land anything is when she overloads it to TRY and kill him. The overloading defeats her, and the overloading is the only thing that gave her even the smallest semblance of a chance of winning.
She lost because they didn’t wanna show their boring cardboard gary stu actually being outmatched by anyone. Even with all those advantages she could only look like she’s doing anything by killing herself.
Dude, she got him cornered, defenseless at her mercy and didnt kill him due to her own emotions fricking her, trying to describe her previous dowturns it does not change what happened, she went further than most villains do
Really looks like she pushed herself too far to try and kill Sonic. If she didnt literally overload herself and destroyed the dynamo-cage she would not have best Sonic. That is to say, she wouldnt have had the power normally to do it and did not have enough power even pushing herself to the point she exploded. That's like the full 200% she could do and it wasnt enough.
She's just second rate. She cannot even muster the power to kill Sonic and is not nearly smart enough to outwit, let's be real. She will always break
Because she is second rate.
>Surge actually managed to overpower and subdue Sonic
Not really.
Yes she did, Sonic was just defenseless and could only watch in horror as she was ready to execute him
So defenseless that he did nothing and won because Surge couldn't keep up lmao, please.
I’m going to give you a piece of advice for Cinemaphile and the internet in general, if it seems like someone is arguing in bad faith stop wasting your time arguing with them.
It was made very clear that Sonic’s fight against Surge was a VERY close call for Sonic. The big gasp he takes on the next page after the panel where he’s just laying there indicates he had even stopped breathing even after he was no longer underwater. If Surge hadn’t overloaded her equipment she would have won. This is made very clear, clear enough that children would understand it.
If you point this out you get responses like
Just dont bother wasting your time man.
Same deal with the guy who keeps trying to derail any discussion of Scrapnik by accusing it of being the same as the rest of the comic, ignoring any discussion that breaks down its writing.
>“If Surge hadn’t overloaded her equipment”
>needs various equipment and to overload it all to even be allowed to LOOK like she’s winning over the self-insert gary stu
>loses because she overloaded it, something she had to do to even look like she was winning any ground in the fight
>Sonic is fine and cracking cringy oneliners and rescuing a helpless Tails the next page
You display a serious problem with projection, anon. You should look into these various insecurities of yours over a shit furry gary stu being addressed as a shit furry gary stu before they spiral out of control
>You don't have to tell me twice
But in the Stone Age?
I would certainly hope so. You can't have Sonic without SOME Chris lore
Fair to say surge zaps to the extreme?
Maybe but it's good to refute bullshit so casuals and guillible people don't fall for misleading stories.
>Surge actually managed to overpower and subdue Sonic and would kill him if she didn't frick up everything by herself.
It's not that impressive considering
>She jury rigged herself basically a super form with Eggman's tech
>Sonic wasn't really trying to fight her, just talk her down
>Surge had the advantage with all the water conducting her powers
>When Sonic finally slips and she lands a good hit, she immediately burns herself out
>Sonic is barely any worse for wear, he's up and running a few moments later
She had every advantage and barely got an "ouch" out of Sonic.
She practically solo’d sonic, eggman and metal. Even with powerups that’s pretty big.
I can hear it.
>She practically solo’d sonic, eggman and metal.
No, she just used Eggman's machine to drain Metal Sonic's power. She even ran away from the heroes earlier on in the story.
A curiously recurring plot element is that she needs Kit and/or a water source to conduct her powers more effectively. She's never beaten anyone 1v1 without Kit's assistance in some way.
>She's never beaten anyone 1v1 without Kit's assistance in some way.
Has anyone beaten anyone but nameless mooks and the Deadly Six in this comic aside from Sonic? Only examples that come to mind are from very recent issues, like Knux + Chaotix vs the Rogues.
>Surge does not win if she use tricks
>Penguin won thanks to his tricks
bruh
Surge lost using technology and tricks and powerups, then faints and dies and Sonic isn’t fazed.
Penguin won using his smarts, and Batman is passed out and dead. And Penguin tells his unconscious corpse he’s permitting him to live as a warning.
moron
Both got tiny victories for a moment and got fricked later dumbass
Surge didn’t get any victory at all you braindead idiot, she tried her hardest to beat Sonic withh all the advantage in the world and flat-out failed. Penguin knocked Batman out and told him he’s only living because he chooses to let Batman live. And he got away with it.
She was seconds from killing Sonic, man.
I'm done with you, you will just try to make it more and more specific until it ends up with "well, her name is Surge so it does not count!"
You’re now crying like a fat little gay because you’re now incapable of mental gymnastics around the fact Surge tried her hardest to kill Sonic and failed because she was too weak to use her own powerup and Sonic’s a shitty gary stu for self-inserters. While other enemies like Penguin try a little to beat Batman and succeed, and he only lives because Penguin wants him to live.
But please do go off and seethe like a b***h in your own time. We both know you have no real argument than popping a blood vessel
Both had the hero defenseless and at their mercy you dishonest shitfrick, stop trying to move goalposts every single minute to make your shitty examples valid.
Surge didn’t have Sonic at her mercy, because she died even trying to get to that point. She was powerless to do anything to Sonic unless she killed herself, and so she did kill herself to even try to get an upperhand, and so she lost because she killed herself and couldn’t kill Sonic despite trying.
Penguin tries to knock out Batman, succeeds, then lets him go.
Surge tries to kill Sonic, fails, then Sonic walks off while she’s dead from the very attempt.
Oh. Its you again.
Namegays get no superiority anywhere but reddit, Boco. You’ve already admitted you’re a queer with low-t and a tiny dick who can’t even produce testosterone
And you're a stubborn jackass who refuses to see the scene can be interpreted in more than one way, so we both have our crosses to bear.
>No, she just used Eggman's machine to drain Metal Sonic's power.
Right, she used her powerup to beat him.
>that page
Say what you will about Surge crying, I like that she’ll whip back and forth between being overconfident and despairing. Helps her feel like a mentally unwell character, which she is.
>Say what you will about Surge crying, I like that she’ll whip back and forth between being overconfident and despairing. Helps her feel like a mentally unwell character, which she is.
So would you say she's very... Manic?
Anon please, Underground is too kino to be in a filthy modern sonic thread.
>As people have said lanolin's really just fake sally.
Absolutely.
>You aren't wrong the villians are at least fun even Zavok had a good arc in Bad Guys.
Yeah bad guys was the second highest point after imposter syndrome, maybe equal to it. I really didnt want to like zavok or any part of the deadly shits but the comic got me to come around, he was a good part of that mini.
That issue really requires the reader to turn their brain off. Silver is closer to Sonic and Shadow in power level than 99% of the cast and has tons of experience, Lanolin of all characters is gonna be in charge of him? And a b***h to him and give him a trial period? The sniper being unable to hide is a good point too. Whole issue was just dumb.
>Sonic should never be "preachy", he's a man of action.
Also a good point.
Yeah it's so obvious ABT wanted her to be the new sally which is sad as her backstory doesn't lend to it at all. She's a rookie among rookies but somehow is a no nonsense commando type.
I'd say Scrapnik was the best but yeah funny how the 4 part comics are usually the best. Maybe they need to do more of them. As they seem to thrive with the short story format. I think to save Zavok you just need to get rid of the deadly shits, as the rest of them are so one note and shit.
Lanolin leading Silver was insane, Bro he literally apparently was a commander of the original Restoration/resistance and fought on multiple battle fields. He out classes them and would defeat the whole squad in less than a minute. I'll put you on a trial period wtf shit they put mimic on the team immediately why is silver different. Yeah really any OC focus issue usually sucks i've notice unless they are a villian.
>it's so obvious ABT wanted her to be the new sally which is sad as her backstory doesn't lend to it at all.
>She was meant to be Sally, but she is nothing like Sally because they failed to make her the new Sally.
Exactly, but she's insufferable like later Sally so I guess they did something right kek
fr fr, thank you. Thats whats happening. They are so bad they can't even make the comic like Archie, but yet try to please me.
Wouldn't say I want archie, but hopefully over time they get their footing and IDW can be a even better sonic than Archie one day.
How is she like Sally beyond being a leader?
She was supposed to wear a vest and be the princess of the kingdom, but they utterly failed at implementing that.
What?
>I'd say Scrapnik was the best
You're right, for some reason I keep forgetting Scrapnik is part of IDW. In my brain it just exists as its own thing, like that Classic Sonic anniversary thing that was put out a while back.
>I think to save Zavok you just need to get rid of the deadly shits, as the rest of them are so one note and shit.
Well, it worked in Bad Guys. They were never really meant to be more than one note comic relief goobers in Lost World, Zavok showing some actual character is what made him work. Not sure how well you could do that with the others, besides maybe the old man and green woman.
>I'll put you on a trial period wtf shit they put mimic on the team immediately why is silver different.
Yeah I remembered that too immediately after I clicked post. Fricking rando borderline child who says he has no real experience gets onto the team for free and Silver is the one who needs a trial period to join the volunteer fighters.
It does feel that way especially since they keep making metal a nothingburger jobber. But then give a great arc to mecha that could have gone to metal who they obviously have no interest in doing anything with.
Exactly why I said get rid of them all the girl is just the girl, and the old man is the basic sensei but he has no especial love for any of them fundamentally making him a irrelevant mentor/sensei. Zavok is at least the big bad of the team and already has had a arc in the comic which they could just keep playing off of.
Ikr how does that work, child with no powers or experience who is hungry and needs a place to stay just give him a job, but the demigod with time powers no no he's to weak and childish to be a real soldier lol.
I mean, that's still insane he was apart of it before the name shift and was a leader of the og war version of the organization
Hedgehog Havoc and Scourge breaking out of Zone Prison are much more entertaining than watching Surge job and cry five times in a row.
The problem is that power level wanking is all Surge has going for her. Her backstory is weak, her motives are even weaker, and her personality is generic at best. Her only redeeming qualities are her design and the idea that she MIGHT pose a threat to Sonic.
Scourge got beaten a dozen times in a row and then literally cried in front of everyone and started talking about his daddy issues
Citation needed.
I do rememebr that issue.
Sonic's dad inhabited a robot, beat up Scourge while lecturing him and then Scourge left crying saying 'Whatever, you are not my real dad'
He didn't beat up Scourge, he just talked him down and warned him that Sonic would be royally pissed if Scourge killed him.
Scourge is genuinely a whiny tryhard punk, but he's a whiny punk who can at least win fights and is a major threat to the good guys. Surge needs powerups just to job to a crippled Sonic.
>He didn't beat up Scourge, he just talked him down and warned him that Sonic would be royally pissed if Scourge killed him.
That's a victory, he stopped his plan and made him cry through talk no jutsu.
>Broly is the coolest, his power is maximum
>I would love to watch an epic battle between Goku and a blind 12 year-old cripple
Pilaf is Goku first arch enemy and the villain that got the highest number of appearences by far.
Yeah, but you can't have nothing but joke villains. Some of the most popular DB characters were the more threatening villains like Frieza, Cell, and Goku Black.
Hell, the Ginyu Force was both funny and threatening.
several dragonball villains had no chance to win but were not joke villains either, the Red Army mostly jobbed to Goku
When? He beat Sonic and Shadow at the same time in his first proper appearance. His first loss was when he got tricked into depowering himself. Sure he cried a single time when Jules cut through his bullshit but that’s nothing compared to Surge who’s constantly crying and having mental breakdowns over losing.
>muh power level
Seriously? Didn't you learn after 20 years of memes mocking powerlevel bullshit?
It's not "power levels," it's the fact that Surge and all the IDW-original villains don't even stand a chance against Sonic and his friends. Surge loses three fricking times in a row and Mimic and Clutch have no offensive powers to speak of. It's not at all interesting to see Sonic steamroll a bunch of punks who pose no threat to him.
Surge nearly murdered Sonic in their last fight. Obviously it wasn't gory because it was a kids' comic, but the dude got electrocuted so hard he seemed surprised to be alive.
Scourge was NEVER menacing.
Surge is a cringy crying dyke just like everyone else in the comic.
He really IS just a successful Andrew Cobson.
indeed
Neither of them are good.
And look where Archie's at now. Their cash cow ended months ago. The only things keeping them relevant are the horror comics and crossovers with Dynamite
A lot of what you're saying is overblown, bit this one always confuses me.
>every FF except Sonic being treated as useless and unimportant
How did this dude manage to have complete creative control of five characters for a decade, see only a year or two in that a lot of his best received stories utilized them, and somehow decide the best course of action is to have them stand around contributing nothing most issues? I don't get it.
a bit hamstrung by the fact Sega had made the Freedom Fighters unworkably redundant to have around.
I don’t see how. He made Tails and Rotor both very redundant because of his obsession with Nicole. I don’t see how Amy existing makes Sally or Bunnie therefore redundant.
Sally was always redundant. Sonic doesn't need a leader or someone to tardwrangle him.
Bunnie is made redundant by way of Knuckles for strength or Tails for tech.
Bunnie has lasers built in. Tails has to procure lasers on a per story basis.
Also her extendo arm was basically proto Tangle.
Didn't Bunnie's extendo-arm stop being a thing after her "sexy" upgrade?
No, she had the funny whip arm when Tracey started drawing the book. It got some use early on for fun panel composition.
She still had it, but I think she lost it in the reboot.
Bunnie is strong and can fly.
See: the post-space arc when she destroyed Eggman’s Aircraft Carrier just by flying through it. No other character could’ve done that
>Bunnie is strong
Knuckles, Mighty and Vector
>and can fly.
Tails, Rouge and Charmy
Knuckles, Mighty and Vector couldn’t have gotten to a giant aircraft carrier in the middle of the ocean in the seconds before it launches its nukes.
Tails Rouge and Charmy, at least in how the comic writes them, can’t then break that giant battleship in two by just flying through it spraying lasers.
>Autistic categorization
Never write stories, please.
You're confusing "who the comic would have used instead of Bunnie" with "what I'd do."
>You could potentially replace the function of the character!
Again, like I said, autistic categorization. The story isn't real. Threats characters like Bunnies face exist so she can tackle them.
I'm agreeing with you. I was saying only two of them even sort of kind of fit even if you want to play into this silly shape matching exercise.
can any of those characters do both?
Knuckles and Rouge, but not exactly in either case.
They can’t. Knuckles can glide but he can’t fly, and in archie he’s never been strong enough to sink a giant ship. In Fleetway maybe but in archie he gets knocked out by single swatbots.
Some situations are better suited to more versatile characters.
Rouge can fly but she’s never been written this way in the comic, able to just ram through giant ships.
Powerlevelz moronation nonwithstanding. Bunnie is written to be typically able to do shit like this, Knuckles and Tails and the rest are not.
I care less about redundant niches/powersets if the personality is unique enough to make them stand out, and Bunny had that in spades. You are correct that Sally sucks shit, though.
>a bit hamstrung by the fact Sega had made the Freedom Fighters unworkably redundant to have around.
I'm talking back in like, 2007. Antoine and Bunnie got like, two or three stories. Across a fricking decade. Nicole was an object that cries, much like Whisper these days. Rotor and Sally got done dirty constantly.
1. My ass. He finally got off his ass and started using them at the end of the reboot.
2. The FF has utility as characters, not a set of abilities. There was no sense clinging to them for so long if Ian didn't want to actually use them in his stories. Either stop forcing them to be "main characters" or use your main characters.
Moebius expansion and setting up with zonic makes it worth. Universe was providing plenty of side story action.
What expansion? The only characters who did anything that entire years-long arc was Scourge and the Hedgehogs again while Kintobor and the SS just sat around twiddling their thumbs crying about how “scawwy” muh Scourge is, and it’s confirmed they were never going to use that setting ever again afterwards because Ian just wanted to write more Scourge and nothing ese.
I don't like Pender's work, but that doesn't mean I'll automatically support everything Ian did, either. Things like Iron Throne felt like they took forever to resolve, Mecha Sally was also frustrating. I also don't like that he cut Sally's hair, but seeing his later comments on "kick-butt" women I guess I can't be too surprised about that now.
Ian's problem isn't that he writes badass girls. It's that he doesn't write women as if they were people and opts for surface level pandering to conceal it. I don't think the dude has ever written a decent story with Rouge and he has never understood Amy at all, even back in the Archie days. Even his female OCs, in and out of Sonic work, are more symbol than person compared to the men. It's fricking weird.
Ian writes women like men and not in a distinct way either, that's the issue.
I don't agree. He writes them as less distinct creatures than men. Most of his attempts for like a decade made them accessories to other characters instead of their own people. Even once he stopped doing that so often, they're rarely given the emotional range of male characters. It's why his Blaze also sucks ass aside from "haha here is a joke of her being the straight man or getting embarrassed." If he just wrote girls like guys, it would mean they were at least consistent.
Cinemaphile is probably the last place you should try having a serious discussion about subtle sexism in comics.
Ian practically did the bare minimum for the Archie comic run which was getting rid of all the bullshit that plagued it at the time while trying to make it more on line with the games because the previous writers didn't actually give a shit about them.
I'm not trying to take away the credit for all he did but what he had done was practically a necessity for the comic, anyone who gave a single shit about sonic would've probably made it a better Sonic comic from that fact alone, ESPECIALLY after the Penders only dark age since Penders is a writer that is well known for not giving a shit about the source material of whatever he is writing.
All of the praise Ian get is from "Well at least he's not Penders!" or the now updated version "Well at least he's not Pontac/Graff!" which is ironic because he grew up on Bollers/Penders Archie. His actual writing is mediocre at best and I wish people could take a few steps back to look at his stuff more critically
Ian was pretty good early on, but the main book really started to suffer after Pellerito stepped away from editing/tard wrangling. Most of the Archie StH issues people praise are from 160, 161, and 171-200. 201~290 only has a smattering of issues people ever bring up, and most of these are carried by the artists (Bates, Skelly, etc). Universe is held in higher regard, but two of the most loved arcs weren't even written by Ian.
He's not terrible, but a lot of early praise came from his new ideas building off earlier ideas and an expectation that he would improve as a writer over time. Instead he's regressed.
Penders was also held in high regard by the fandom for a long time.
Daily reminder that Ian's "solution" for aging down Charmy was to give him literal brain damage. When left to his own devices, Ian is just as bad as Penders or the other hacks that worked on Sonic. The only difference is that he has a larger fanbase than any of them.
The only reason Ian got any praise was because he bothered to put game content and the art was more on-model that gave people rose-tinted glasses to his writing. It's very superficial. At least people are seeing he isn't that good now, back then the worst thing you could do was criticize the man.
Nah, some of his early comics were good. Stuff like Knuckles fighting the big lobster robot or Hedgehog Havoc. They're very simple stories, yeah, but they're well plotted and fun.
He also wrote Enerjak Reborn and Shadow Fall, two of the best arcs in Archie IMO.
>Shadow Fall
Reminder that Ian wanted to bring Black Doom and Mephiles back for that arc.
It might have been cool, but also would have been a fundamentally different story arc. Mephiles and Eclipse are pretty different personality-wise, and latter made for a better recurring antagonist.
Black Death is whatever. They blatantly just needed a Black Doom expy for Shadow to kill, the story even mocks Black Death for it. Eclipse was the real star of the show and the arc was primarily his origin story.
Black Death's design was great, the artists had a lot of fun with him, and he would make for a good source of future stories even if he's pretty generic. Throwing him away immediately was really stupid.
Yeah, Enerjak Reborn was early into his run.
Ian's mistake was thinking anyone cared about Charmy to being with.
I dunno, I think there's an argument to be made that Evan is the Penders. Flynn wrote that Zombot crap and the new Knuckles arc, both of which are at least trying to be adventure arcs, even if they're sub-par. The Zombot arc being so overlong also parallels the entire Archie reboot being taken up by the Unleashed arc.
Evan, meanwhile, seems to enjoy introducing a bunch of crappy OCs (Tangle, Whisper, Belle, israeliteel) and having them stand around doing nothing, just like Penders. The biggest difference is that Evan's OCs spend all their time crying, while Penders' echidnas spent all their time being pompous and mysterious and hinting at future arcs.
>The biggest difference is that Evan's OCs spend all their time crying, while Penders' echidnas spent all their time being pompous and mysterious and hinting at future arcs.
If you were to choose which do you prefer anon?
>drink puke or diarrhea
Hoboy, this is a tough one.
I guess if you were gonna press me, I'd pick Penders. There was at least some semblance of worldbuilding, and Penders could sometimes accidentally create likeable characters like Remington, Wynmacher, and Elias.
Yeah I can already guess, Pender might be crazy but at least it's so crazy and moronic it wraps back to being somewhat interesting/hilarious at times
>J Axer
Man he's so good drawing both male and female characters looks stunning. I still wonder why tf did Archie not let him pencil the main story
>Evan, meanwhile, seems to enjoy introducing a bunch of crappy OCs (Tangle, Whisper, Belle, israeliteel)
it's mindblowing to see the rewriting of history in the collective fandom minds happen in real time. So focused on hating Evan that we've now apparently forgotten that Ian created three of the four OCs you listed.
>Ian created three of the four OCs
I thought Whisper and Belle were Evan's.
Whisper was "conceptualized" by Ian. Evan came up with that parts that mattered. Then Ian wrote all her appearances up until she got detailed as a character. I'd call her Ian's creation.
Belle is. Evan only did Whisper's design.
Evan designed Whisper, she just wasn’t head writer yet when her character was introduced
There is a practical reason for that, and it is the paradox of having a running comic series based on a "immutable" franchise. Unless SEGA decides otherwise, there can't be any change to status quo nor character development for any Main Character from the games. That may work for villain of the week kind of stories, but even then main Canon only gives them Eggman and maybe the Deadly Six to work with, which works for games were the point is to experience the adventure, but for other media could get repetitive kind of fast. So they by default have to lean to the OCs for any attempt at character arcs, or even stakes. Sure, nobody can "die" on camera, even if it's heavily implied with Starline, the rule of "no body was shown" is strong here. But even then, the idea that characters like Belle or Whispers "could" be in real danger, is more believable than any attempt to do the same with Amy or Tails. Granted, they have got away with some surprising stuff, like making Mecha Sonic an actual developed character (I guess because SEGA has no plans nor interest on him) and the whole Metal Virus saga to circumvent most of the "rules", but there are still some unavoidable issues in regards working around such a strict canon.
>like making Mecha Sonic an actual developed character
They made him fricking lame, dude. What a waste of a potentially cool villain.
Eh, it at least gives Sonic's "forgive the villains" mindset some credibility.
That mindset should've never been brought up in the first place.
honestly yeah with how little one can actually do with the actual game characters, lord knows if I was in Ian's shoes I'd be relying even heavier on the OC characters, like I'd probably reduce the presence of the game characters to the absolute bare minimum I could get away with(like maybe have Sonic or Eggman show up for one or two pages every issue but leave everything of actual importance to the OC's)
technically every IDW OC is official since SEGA fully owns everything made for the IDW comics(since they don't want a repeat of what happened back at Archie)
I used to be neutral about this but I'm currently reading Archie Sonic on Ian Flynn's run I can say that IDW is bit of a snoozefest. Hope it gets very interesting in the future
So much of the book lately is nothing happening. This new issue is going to be 90% them in the resistance base I bet talking.
>Not liking stories based on Amy eating sweet things
this is a shit forced joke and a bad comic, too
Amy can go get diabetes and have her eyes go blind and her feet sawed off and it'd be a better Sonic comic
You forgot to put your tag back on, Boco.
Please, I wouldn't saw her feet off, thats barbaric.
Quick and painless, like a bullet in the back of the head.
Db super did the same thing but it's bas when Sonic does it ..
>Sonic won't kill villains because he wants them to reform
>gets shocked when one of them seemingly tries
Hopefully this is just the initial surprise and he's cool with it, or else Sonic is going to come off as a massive hypocrite.
To be fair, their last encounter was him almost getting murdered.
>getting zapped a little
>almost getting murdered
IDWgays are so overdramatic.
Sure...
Post the next page where he’s not phased in the slightest.
WTF are you talking about?
He’s making jokes and in the next pages he’s jumping up walls and shit. Surge did more damage to herself than to Sonic.
>He’s making jokes and
That's in-character for Sonic. He's going to joke around his little buddy even when he's hurt.
You just going to ignore that a person who “almost died” is jumping up walls and shit, huh? Hell, if he almost died he shouldn’t even be conscious. The only thing suggesting that he was in any kind of mortal danger is your own headcanon.
Not that anon but he doesn't seen even remotely hurt
they spend like four panels showing horror, fear and regret on his face for a girl killing herself because she can't kill him. do you need like a sucking chest wound?
You DO know they're joking, and clearly see the damage, right?
All that shit and he just gets a few scrapes. This b***h is fricking weak like damn.
Yeah she probably got her brain fried for the moment at least. I bet the story will go like..
>Sonic realizes from Kit that she's a blank and can't remember anything.
>He sees this as a good opportunity to condition her to be chill
>Surges old conditioning makes it's way back over times as part of a slow healing process
>She's fricking pissed that she was turned into a completely different person and has a fueled vendetta against the society that tried to make her into something the find acceptable
>Goes on a rampage, gets beat, ummm profit of Surge X Amy
>Built for massive Hedgehog family
"family"
https://youtube.com/shorts/WDvWcNpPFOg?si=bapd3wh4_t2L-kNw
>tfwywn fall asleep next to Surge after she wears her self out trying to kill you
Zapped, strangle and almost drowned. Come on anon, I admit this comic has a "jobber" issue where outside the Metal Zombies, nobody seem to be a match to Sonic, either OC or long time villain (Metal Sonic gets it the worst, honestly), but this more than a "litttle zap"
Eggman started a fricking apocalypse thay caused endless suffering yet Sonic was more than willing to see him redeemed with open arms.
>He'd be a moron if he DIDNT get suspicious.
You mean like how he acted towards Tinker?
The last time he saw her she was screaming about how she would never have peace until he died while throttling his neck, electrocuting AND drowning him.
He'd be a moron if he DIDNT get suspicious.
I think people forget that Sonic is a 15 year old boy, and most of the time he just does whatever will settle things and return everything to normal, he oftentimes doesn't have a huge moral goal in mind, he just wants villains out of his life
If he can reform em? Great! But he's not exactly excited to be seeing them again
Why is that notion so odd to people on this website? I get not liking a character that makes no sense in terms of writing, but there's nothing wrong with a character's own morals and ideas making no sense because sometimes people's own morals and ideas make no sense too
A fiction character isn't gonna have 20/20 all knowing writer vision and think of everything and be totally emotionally rational and decisive
>15
He's 20, at least.
Your headcanon doesn't count here.
Generations made him 20 you tard.
Yeah I'm going to ignore the people whose last point of reference was Heroes.
>Generations made him 20 you tard.
No it didn’t you buffoon…it was confirmed by Ian that Sega says he turned 15 in it
Heroes takes place in the past when Generations occurs. At least one year's past. Is 15 + 1 = 15?
Don’t question Sega, lowly Mortal.
Also Amy aged from 8 to 12 in Adventure but Tails is still 8 just the same. And now none of them have ages.
Adventure aging in the states hardly counts since the entire canon in the US got normalized to the JP story (CD's US manual even mentions Sally existing). Ironically that game did more to soft reboot the series than 06.
>Amy aged from 8 to 12
She didn't age you dolt, they just retconned her age, that's why newer Classic material also refers to Classic Amy as 12.
Yup.
>Generations made him 20 you tard.
Are you stupid?
You don't play the games, do you?
None of the games has stated he’s 20. You’re conflating fandom shit with the official shit.
Yeah dude I'm confusing my fandom ability to do basic math and put together "X happens after Y" just like how you headcanoned that paint chips where a snack when you were 3...
What math? These characters don’t age. They’re like the Simpsons. They’ll stay the same age to retain their iconic image.
These are cartoon characters, they don't age.
Time doesn't pass for Sonic characters, they're cartoons, Sonic will have 30 million birthdays and remain 15 because that's how he is.
It’s like people forget these characters are fictional and therefore have no reason to age.
Most fictional characters with any serialised story age. Even capeshit characters like Batman and Robin do.
Some do, some don't, Sonic is the type that doesn't.
Sonic doesn’t have a serialized story. And Batman’s always 35.
Batman's always vaguely adult aged, I imagine him in his 40s or so right now, but it's never outright stated, and that's the smart thing to do.
It has been stated. He’s 35 or vaguely in his mid to late 30s. Nothing ever more than that as DC doesn’t want him to be too old. They’d have him become Batman at 20 just to keep his ass in his 30s.
>It has been stated
Not in any book I've read, but I definitely haven't read every single Batman comic.
I still think he's in his 40s anyway.
Then why do they keep making time travel plots with his “Classiku Sonikku” self, and constantly arguing back and forth whether he’s a past self from past events or from another dimension?
He can be both from the past and the same age.
The forces retcon was retconned back, Classic is just the past again, not an alternate dimension anymore.
Yeah for the next week at least before they decide again otherwise in some gacha
Until then, it's just the past, it's been like that because everyone hated Forces lol
Hahaha, Forces was so dumb and I’m glad its dumbass retcon got retcon’d.
When did they change it back to the past? Haven’t played the open world game yet, was it said somewhere in there?
Mainly through side material like IDW and interviews but Frontiers also has a S3&K scene shown as a flashback.
He wasn’t his past self in a literal sense but in a meta sense. He’s how Sonic looked like back in the Genesis days therefore he’s Past Sonic. He didn’t literally look like that in-universe but to us, he did. The other characters even confuse him for Modern Sonic even though they look completely different. Even Modern thought he was looking at a mirror when meeting his past self.
>He wasn’t his past self in a literal sense but in a meta sense.
He was both.
Yes but they get de-aged just as often in constant reboots.
It’s kind of amazing that game Sonic has held onto its continuity for as long as it has. Other than Forces splitting off Classic into its own thing there haven’t been any big retcons have there? And even then you can assume modern Sonic went through similar experiences to Classic (the mecha sonic comic included both the egg carrier from adventure and plenty of stuff from S3&K, and amy has a flashback to CD in adventure).
I know the background humans got replaced by furries, but from that Tails lore podcast thing they’re still around, just off screen.
I’m glad they havent rebooted the game canon. Yet.
Those flashbacks had them in their Modern designs, implying they’ve always looked like that. Classic is just an art style ala Toon Link nowadays.
>Generations made him 20 you tard.
And Forces made him over 30 or more when Infinite says Sonic and Eggman have fought for decades, if we want to be absolute morons and refuse to understand cartoon writing.
It’s funny people give Infinite flack yet he was way more effective of a villain then Surge
Oh, are you one of those tumblr morons like Randomthefox or something? I don't need to be seeing talking points from there recycled here. I didn't bring up Surge, and I wasn't even talking about Infinite as a judgement, I was calling the other anon a moron about ages.
No? I just think Infinite is underrated and gets to much shit lol I actually think I know which tumblr users your talking since there’s one, Drcrusher, who lets Ian Flynn and IDW live rent free in their head on how much they hate it, like can’t even talk about the bits of Sonic they like without cheap jabs at what they don’t, it’s pathetic
Games are open for public scrutiny, so if something shit happens like 06 or Boom it’s blood in the water for mockery
Noone reads the comic but hardcore sonic simps, so they guzzle whatever slop you give them, even if it’s dogshit
>I think people forget that Sonic is a 15 year old boy
I'm one of them. I'm one of those morons that still believes that sonic is 32 years old because the first game came out 32 years ago. No, I will not change my mind, never.
>I think people forget that Sonic is a 15 year old boy
Well can you blame them? He doesn't really act like one.
Wtf do you mean? He absolutely does, that's why he's so odd and emotionally immature and fickle
that's because he's a 90s mascot and has to be yelling cringy catchphrases every 20 seconds. Their ages never come up in the story, any other story the 20 year old isn't going to speak to the 15 year old like they're peers yet that's what Vector does with Sonic and Knuckles. They even removed all the ages off of all the characters' profiles because it's long past due to admit they've never been relevant in the games
THANK YOU, I thought I was going insane with so many crazy furries, kids and casuals trying to push the narrative that Sonic is evil or his comic is wrong because he's not either the Punisher killing all the villains or Captain America using politics to solve the problems they created or even Judge Dredd doing both at the same time.
Sonic is just literally a random kid, he's not even a genius kid in fact he's even quite stupid and short minded, he's technically not even a superhero he's just a well intentioned teenager who will save people lives if he just happen to see someone in danger in front of him.
Remember how he let Metal escape not giving a shit and then complained when he got back to Eggman?
Not directed at you, and I don't like IDW Sonic either, but where exactly does this notion that Sonic MUST kill his enemies or it's bad writing come from? Never, in any official incarnation of the character, has Sonic EVER killed his enemies. And I mean sentient, talking beings, not monsters of the week. At most, he's only ever defeated them or sealed them away. It's not like IDW TMNT where they constantly let villains get away with it where Mirage TMNT would've killed them at the first opportunity. I can understand getting annoyed or upset at that, yes. But Sonic? There's just no precedent for this, like, at all.
>muh Endgame
Yeah, they fought, but we never see Sonic kill Robotnik. Nor is it ever even implied afterwards. (It was actually Snively that did it, remember?) And I'll remind you, that Archie Eggman is FAR more deserving of being killed by Sonic than IDW Eggman, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone complain as much about that than I do with IDW Sonic.
>bu-but Shadow
It's pretty arguable whether or not he actually killed anyone in this comic, but even if he did, why doesn't anyone give HIM shit for not killing Eggman? Why is it JUST Sonic? There are plenty of other characters that can overpower and murder a middle-aged, overweight, mad scientist, even if he does have surprising strength at times. Why not Knuckles? Or Vector? Or any other number of characters with abilities and weapons that could do the deed?
Look, I get it, the whole "Heh, no, I don't kill my enemies-- oh no they are being bad again how is this happening to me???" concept is moronic and it didn't at all need to be explored at length like it has been, and at the VERY least, Eggman needs to be locked away somehow, and Sonic should be the one to personally do it... but criticizing an officially licensed Sonic The Hedgehog product for not showing Sonic straight up murdering Eggman is just a BIT silly. You guys project way too much onto this series, I swear.
Sonic has tried killing Eggman loads of times. The problem is that Eggman is slippery and gets away every time.
I don’t really give a shit about the morality of Sonic either but the whole reason people give him shit for not killing is that the story made it a talking point and brought attention to it. If the comic didn’t constantly harp on it no one would notice. It’s the same shit as Batman, most super heroes don’t kill but special attention is given to Batman’s no kill rule in multiple comics which causes people to focus in on him alone.
>Look, I get it, the whole "Heh, no, I don't kill my enemies-- oh no they are being bad again how is this happening to me???" concept is moronic and it didn't at all need to be explored at length like it has been
This is why IDW gets so much shit for it, they brought it up and pointed out how nonsensical it is. Before that nobody had an issue with Sonic not killing because of course he wont, he’s a game mascot for kids. But the second you bring that up in universe and have the characters have serious conversations about it, the audience is told its something for them to think about instead of willfully ignore.
Sonic shouldn’t kill, but IDW was moronic for making a whole thing out of that rule and of course it resulted in the reaction that it got.
>that's why newer Classic material also refers to Classic Amy as 12
Wait, they have canon ages again? When did she get referred to as 12?
No that was a retcon from back during generations. Currently noone has ages
>When did she get referred to as 12?
Refer to
That was from before the ages were removed from the Sonic site
The problem is that IDW Sonic is actively opposed to so much as imprisoning Eggman and others, whereas game Sonic simply doesn't care and just leaves.
Sonic is supposed to be somewhat callous in a charming rogue-ish way, but Ian is trying to recontextualize him as more of a moralistic superhero.
Yeah, Sonic’s legit supposed to be an anti-hero. Dude’s on the side of good but he ain’t gonna be a boyscout about it. He just does what feels right to him.
>Sonic MUST kill his enemies or it's bad writing come from?
IDW itself? They were the ones that brought it up in a shallow attempt to be deep, and unsurprisingly it blew up in their face. It's pretty fricked how it's implied that Sonic is unironically more willing to kill his friends over his actual enemies.
Why is there sexual energy coming from this page?
Some people are just moronic.
Most people get annoyed with the comic because it refuses to engage in cathartic actions but ponders Sonic's ethics for some stupid reason. In any given game, Sonic will blow up Eggman's machine and send him flying. In the comics, Sonic will just grimace as Eggman walks away and the sniper character breaks down in tears when she can't kill him. It's ridiculous and unsatisfying.
Yeah as eye rolling as the "Why does the cartoon hedgehog not murder his enemies like a warrior born?!" people are, the real issue is IDW doesn't engage in any catharsis at all. Even wins feel like losses.
The bigger issue is that the IDW Comics:
1. Make it unambiguous that Eggman intentionally kills people he isn't fighting and takes pleasure in it.
2. Bring up the insanity of keeping someone like that around without punishment.
3. Refuse to use narrative cheats like the games to satisfy the audience.
It's mostly 3, but 1 and 2 compound the issue. Stuff as simple as throwing a rock at Eggman as he escapes is enough to make the audience happy that an attempt was made. The consistent lack of retaliation towards Eggman makes the cast look irresponsible and apathetic.
When did 1 happen? I wouldn’t count metal virus, if that’s what you mean.
It’s less about tangle and more about any form of sonic comic getting in-game acknowledgement.
The time he watched Shadow androids brutally murder Whisper's friends and was ecstatic about it. There's a couple scenes like this throughout IDW. Their Eggman is way too extreme for the tone of the book.
It all comes back to the comic ultimately not letting Archie go. IDW wants to salvage as much of the stakes, drama, and personalities that it could muster from the old canon, but none of that works without the decades of context to put any of that into perspective.
The comic tries to channel Archie Eggman, but it falls flat because AE was literally a soulless automaton programmed for genocide. You can't carry that over when it's so incompatible to how he's actually portrayed in the games, and it makes Sonic's stance on not doing anything about him all the worse.
> IDW wants to salvage as much of the stakes, drama, and personalities that it could muster from the old canon
Anon idw has no stakes or Drama wtf are you talking about ?
It TRIED to have those, like with the Metal Virus and Surge. Again, it's just that none of it works.
IDW
>IDW is trying to emulate Archie, but its not working. And its very evident because IDW is nothing like Archie.
I'm going to sidestep this entire argument and ask a different question:
Why does Ian need to address the idea of killing Eggman at all? I get that this is a follow-through from the Mr Tinker storyline, but why even bring this up in the first place? This feels like something you shouldn't even have to think about in a Sonic story.
Similar question, why do they keep calling out Sonic not killing his enemies being the reason everything is always horrible? It's not like Sonic can ever be shown reconsidering his stance on that. It's not allowed.
Because Potto wants to sell this idea of Surge maybe joining the good guys.
Despite her entire purpose transparently being to replace Scourge.
And isn't he the same one who said Surge and Kit WOULDN'T become "good guys"?
He's not helping his case.
Or she's just faking all this to get close enough to kill.
Remember when the Deadly Six just attacked the good guy base without any justification for it? Why is doing that do difficult?
I'd like to believe that but this is IDW and the "list" exists.
List of IDW recurring characters by alignment
>Good
Tangle (female)
Whisper (female)
Jewel (female)
Lanolin (female)
Belle (female)
Nite (Gay male)
Don (Gay male)
>Evil
Rough (Male)
Tumble (Male)
Dr. Starline (Male)
Mimic (Male)
Clutch (Male)
Surge (Female)
Kitsunami (Male)
This is how intersectional feminists are. All men are evil unless they are gay and/or trans. I'd add non-white but they'll throw black men under the bus just as quick as they do whites (See Shadow's treatment).
And all of those males are better than all the females. Guess you could only be a good character if you are a male or evil .One of those things correlates to being actually fun characters I don't cringe when I read them.
I consider Starline to be a gay male. Mimic is also asexual according to Evan
Starline being gay wasn't the plan at the start, but by Ian's own admission, when he saw how much the fandom was into it, he decided to lean full-on into it.
I believe writers shouldn't do such things, personally.
If he didn't lean into this shit, we wouldn't have had a real name for Nigel.
Yeah Starline being a homosexual was just Ian not understanding how to write an over the top bombastic character and accidently comes off as a homo.
He was effeminate and worshiped Eggman. It was bound to happen.
The impression I got was Starline was supposed to be the "younger, hip new hotness" because he did things like vlogging his plans and trying to be as showy as possible.
"accidentally"
yeah sure that's what he says
Mimic should be straight so he can correct Whisper and Tangle with his tentacle’s
Mimic (and all the Diamond Cutters) are just a reference to Metal Gear Solid's Foxhound.
https://metalgear.fandom.com/wiki/Decoy_Octopus
I know, just wanted to slip in a bit of my villain on heroine/tentacle leanings
He threw out all his plans and never settled on a new one when Sega told him "No, they can't be cyborgs, they have to be flesh-and-blood furries".
They're still cyborgs.
Oh right, the change was that they went from being created by Finitevus to being *unclear* by Finitevus.
>Sega told him "No, they can't be cyborgs, they have to be flesh-and-blood furries".
Other way around, they were going to be test-tube babies until Sega told Ian only Gerald Robotnik can do that. So Ian made them cyborgs that Starline kidnapped.
>until Sega told Ian only Gerald Robotnik can do that
That's moronic.
I just figured it was less an issue of why and more how cause of how durable and resourceful Eggman is, dude survives pretty much anything
Because he can't write anymore and is out of ideas to fill dialogue.
I guess he figures an ongoing comic meant to run indefinitely needs to address the topic of what to do with villains that keep coming back.
Difference is that Sonic isn't really a typical Cinemaphile hero so Ian can't really break out the usual excuses about due process or whatever.
It goes back to this problem.
Ian is trying to fit Sonic's character into a mold he's not meant for.
Where he also trips up is that he feels that Sonic should explain himself. Sonic should never be "preachy", he's a man of action. Hell, Ian's Sonic is too chatty in general. Knowing when Sonic should just be silent would do the character wonders. Pic related.
He's just Snively 2: Platypus Boogaloo.
Snively never liked Eggman like starline
No, but he still fills the basic niche Snively had.
>Surge
Who is this c**t? She looks like Scourge
Did they retcon him into some kinda weird goth chick, or did they just happen to write a character who looks so much like him, has a similar personality by the looks of it, and even practically shares a name
Surge looks like Scourge because she's based on the same glitch (Ashura), but she's different. Scourge is basically just reverse sonic. Basically, she's android 18 if Goku was the reason RR captured her.
>she's android 18 if Goku was the reason RR captured her.
Was he not?
They made a character that looks like him. I won't say it's similar personality wise, because Sourge was flat out Evil Sonic, while Surge is an emotional Train Wreck that was created in lore to be evil Sonic, and didn't go well. And just in case, no real relation with Sourge outside the obvious callback in design, this a completely different continuity and canon, supposedly "in line" with the games for the time being, but we all know they are just a weir character portrayal or a bad day over at Sega for that to not be the case.
She’s not really anything like Scourge besides being based on the same glitch. Scourge was the actual evil Sonic, Surge is a cheap Sonic bootleg created by Starline.
They can't use Scourge due to legal ownership frickery (and Sega doesn't want them to use the Archie character that they do own anyway).
I think, to some degree, the similarities were intentional. Like they knew if they made an Ashura character, it would inevitably look like Scourge and they ran with it, like they did with Starline vs Finitevus. But yeah, it's mostly surface level.
eww
This is how we finally get canon Goth Amy
>Goth Amy
ONE CAN HOPE!
She is already in their shitty mobile game so it only makes sense. Especially with them pushing her tarot card shit a bunch now.
She isn’t in Dash or Forces: Speed Battle tho…so not good enough!
Correct she should be in everything.
So if goth Sonic is Shadow goth Amy is….Ankh
>we want the Twitter audience
I feel like I've seen this exact same set-up and punchline thirty different times.
Same except those thirty times were much better too
Probably because the characters weren’t just empty tropes existing in an endless green hill void
Twitter users aren't exactly a creative bunch.
That's because twitteroids only have like 5 jokes, and all of them are about being heckin wholesome gays.
I thought Amy's whole gimmick was confusing people for Sonic? Why isn't Surge fricking her?
The age of Amy being airheaded is over. You vill consume girlboss Amy.
Everyone hated Amy being like that so now they focus more on her being nice.
Amy can be both sweet AND an airhead. These traits aren’t incompatible with one another.
Guessing the mimic squid guy is gonna pull something that stops them from integrating, and those two plotlines will merge during the resolution.
Glad to see Surge and Kit back, they’re the best part of this comic and pretty much the only interesting OCs.
It’s just as much her thing to reform villains, like she did for Gamma and Shadow.
threesome
When are they going to introduce the OTHER glitch character trio.
Where's Blue Knuckles, Red Sonic and Blue Amy?
I'm going to be disappointed if her next line isn't "But here's my number. So call me maybe?"
hetchehogs ain't no rodents
Unlike the comics this thread isn't focusing enough of crying lesbians.
And that's good, lesbians should cry, suffer, curse the day of their birth and be the lowest caste of society.
>I wish Lanolin wasn’t a background character and part of the main cast!
Whamen amiright fellas
Shadow doesn't need fixing, though.
Amy's the one who talked Shadow into saving the world in SA2.
>hooking up Shadow and Surge
that could work
has shadow and surge met in the comics?
No
Can we be real for a sec?
When IDW goes under, not if, will you frickers being crying about it not being like Archie and whining about mandates and OCs when it gets picked up by another publisher?
Because honestly, it's tiring when you do this to IDW, I don't want to do this is Sonic gets picked up by darkhorse or something.
>will you frickers being crying about it not being like Archie and whining about mandates and OCs when it gets picked up by another publisher?
Yes, absolutly.
If a comic is boring and revolves around crying OCs and has no menacing villains, it will receive criticism, no matter who the publisher is. Cope.
I like the IDW comics and regularly look forward to reading them. They certainly aren’t perfect, but I still find them fun to read.
Cinemaphile is gonna be Cinemaphile and will hyperfixate and exaggerate any flaws. Not to say a lot of those criticisms wont be valid, just usually very overblown.
Whatever publisher and writing team picks up the sonic ip for comics after idw sinks, I can almost guaruntee there will be a lot of anons singing praises for IDW’s run then and saying whatever the new thing is is worse.
I miss Starline.
They'll bring him back as a Frankenstein monster cyborg, trust the plan.
I miss my flamboyant platapus. He, Surge, and Kit are the only value that came out of IDW. I hope they sell the IP soon. That company can't have much life left in them right?
I'm not sure if it qualifies as ironic or not, but the fact twitter instantly began celebrating whatever the shorthand for SurgexAmy is the second this page was posted was enough to get half of it to start complaining about the fact this always happens amuses me.
Not enough to cut through the annoyance that it's happening in the first place, but still.
Anon, I don't know if you've noticed this, but most IDW fans on twitter do not actually read the book, they look at a few previews and draw/share fanart and that's it.
People like Surge's design and they were making fan content of her before her debut comic even came. Most didn't even read or have any idea of Surge's personality is actually like, which you could tell just by looking at the fanart in this very thread.
She's the truest form of pic related.
I used to read the comic (gave up after 64), Surge and Kit are only popular because the fanbase literally did all the marketing for IDW, built up unrealistic expecations, so anybody without shipping goggles on was left horibly disappointed with what we ultimately got.
I think Surge's arc where she's lost her shit completely and fries herself in a puddle is good. Everything else has been a whole lot of nothing.
>Surge's arc where she's lost her shit completely and fries herself in a puddle is good.
Why
Because I thought it was a fun story and I care more about that than fight matchups. The last issue was a bit wobbly - it kind of repeated shit and the way Eggmam is justified to walk off screen was trash - but overall it was a lot of shenanigans with good choreography.
It shows that she is so crazy she is literally self destructive?
The only good thing about Surge and Whisper being now officially part of the series is that now they're on the tight leash of SEGA and will stop Ian pushing for shitty lesbian overtones and instead going for homosexual tension with sonic and knuckles in Frontiers
If that was the case it would have stopped for Whisper a long time ago, but it hasn't.
Let's be honest, Sega doesn't give a shit about the comic itself, the only reason why they scrutinize the shit out of idw is to avoid another Penders Autismo Bonanza
If they really didn't they wouldn't use the characters in games.
They don't, Sega-Hardlight is not Sega.
No Tangle getting namedropped in Frontiers doesn't count, that's just because of Ian's involvement.
I still can’t believe people actually celebrated Tangle getting offhandedly mentioned in an easily skippable idle quote like it’s some big accomplishment. How fricking low are Tanglegays’ standards? Sega did the absolute barest minimum and they treated it like a huge victory.
People are quick to assume Tangle being "canon to the games" means she's a worthwhile character.
Yet consider who's also "canon" to the Sonic games.
>now
They were like that since the beginning, that's the whole point of Sonic Team helping out with IDW.
Just because they cant make them canon doesnt mean theyll stop with the overtones.
Anon i hate to tell you this but Ian isn't the one who sugested to add lesbian shit into the comic idw was the one who sugested since they keep adding that shit to every comic they own such as transformers and TMNT for example.
If anyone wanted to make them gay it'd be Evan "Allergic to Heterosexuality" Stanley.
ah my bad, doesn't change the fact that still Sega will have an even tighter leash on those characters and stop any of those blatant overtones
He's probably making that up, you know. IDW does not have a "forced LGBT agenda", that kind of stuff is up to the individual writer.
People on staff at IDW tend to have those political leanings, but you're right that there's nothing to suggest they prompt writers to do stuff like this.
Also most of the staff got fired this year.
>IDW does not have a "forced LGBT agenda"
I know you're right, but it's hard to believe in light of the fact it's what they're best known for, besides losing money.
Ian and Evan did it when they were at Archie too. And Archie is one of the most conservative, straight-laced publishers out there.
So there ya go.
It's much less subtle in IDW.
>that kind of stuff is up to the individual writer.
The problem is almost every individual writer they have is on that
So if anything, that means IDW is too lazy to check, not that they force it.
What happened to the ride?
nothing happened, it's still going.
Are the big scary lesbians in the room with you right now, Cinemaphile?
boco shut the frick up, nobody likes you
I wish haha
shut up boco
Surge
Comics eggman deserves a bullet in the back of the head, games eggman has enough charm to not make me wonder why no one kills him
Eggman has even more plot armor than Sonic
>the green rat, Sonic. Hand her over.
I wish you people would just admit you only liked Sally and Bunnie cuz they made you horny.
Correct.
But I also like Antoine. The only ff I dislike is Rotor because they discarded extremely quickly.
A swordfighter has zero application to your typical Sonic story outside of special circumstances like Black Knight.
I didn’t like either of them.
Ian’s just a shit writer if he didn’t make them useful and only let Sonic do shit, not because they’re redundant. Is Thor redundant because Hulk and Iron Man are strong?
I liked Bunnie because she was a cyborg like Shortfuse. The waifu angle got overused for her. Sally was lame. Antoine was the FF with the best storytelling potential but kept getting the shaft. Nobody knew what to do with Rotor. Nicole could have been fun but leaned into MUH WAIFU shit harder than any other character, it was obnoxious.
I like Sally’s character and am horny for her, does that work? She did get fricked over writing wise in early archie and even though Flynn did salvage her a fair bit still had moments that didn’t service her character but overall I still think she was a good character. Just wish most of the smut for her wasn’t dog shit lol
They admit by their actions alone. Look at the storytime -- they can never say why Sally and Bunnie are good characters -- but become horny when they are on a page and an artist sexes them up.
Plenty of people can articulate why they’re good characters, it’s just easier in a ongoing storytime to do horny jokes
Say what you want about FF, but every one of them (even Rotor, even Dulcy) is better than the whole Crying Lesbians Squad, and I’m isn’t even a Archiegay.
I remember thinking that Archie-Dulcy, preboot not reboot, was infinitely better than SatAM Dulcy, who was just annoying.
I don't remember if I was right about that though.
>is better
How come they're forgotten then?
They aren’t considering people still draw art and fondly or negatively talk about them to this day and in this very thread
They're only brought up out of spite, so no.
So it doesn’t count just cause you say it is? You can not like them but don’t act like they suddenly are forgotten like a lot of the Adventures of Sonic characters not named Breezie or Scratch and Grounder when another ride is started and not even counting that there’s still content made with these characters and discussion still going for them long after Archie and Satam have ended
>So it doesn’t count just cause you say it is?
Don't even need to read the rest of your post, I can throw that back at you.
I wish that were true.
Bunnie is such a good character in terms of personality, powerset and design that I find it hard to believe that she was made 30 years ago while the game cast was just basic Mickey OCs for the most part.
And she's of an archetype that actually appears quite often in other pieces of fiction so I'm constantly reminded of her.
Bunnie's powers are in theory very interesting since she only has them on half her body. Her robot limbs are stacked with weapons, she's more comparable to robot characters like Omega and Gemerl than Knuckles or Tails, but a good bump on the head or a graze in her right arm can knock her out of the fight.
I don't think Archie ever really explored this concept well, though.
Yeah, it's a shame. She could easily have unique fight choreography because of her weak spot.
Please never write fiction if you see a character who behaves differently from the rest and go "damn, guess I can't use that!"
It was a concept born out of a children's TV show where the target audience was incapable of realizing the issue with Bunnie's cybernetics situation.
Yeah, and nobody ever considered the ridiculous logic behind Sonic's powers, but some of the comics writers had fun with them anyway. Who cares what wasn't accounted for? Have fun with the toys you're given.
I'm still mad we got a sequence where Tangle was yanked by the tail againstva wall and it wasn't used for the slapstick potential.
I just want to say that reboot sally's energy bracelets are so fricking corny
How so? I thought it was a nice way for her not to get sidelined in action scenes
Because it was turning a noncombatant into a combatant using the most blatant "doesn't fit with the style" weaponry.
I mean they’re not that out of place plus it’s better then her character being ineffectual and unable to be supportive in a setting that prioritises characters that can fight over ones that can’t
It was a flawed supposition that she needed to be a melee character in the first place.
I mean she could physically fight even in early Archie but didn’t mean much when every foe had powers or abilities she just didn’t so suppose she needed something to not be just mission control and to be able to be on the field more
Make her bomb things like a real terrorist/freedom fighter
Ha you know what fair enough, grenades, molotovs and landmine using Sally would be pretty fun
I also like it because it's kind of a callback to the Satam theme song, and it there could be potential in using Sonic to maneuver a target into a controlled demolition.
So like using Sonic to tenderise and lure them into a a detonation zone, yeah that does sound pretty cool and showcases how they coordinate and work together, could make for some fun fights with Bean as the other bomber
I personally felt giving her a bladed weapon stepped on Antoine's toes.
Not to mention a bladed weapon made of energy is infinitely more useful than a normal metal sword.
Or did they give Antoine some kind of enchanted sword? I don't even remember anymore.
I mean that’s fair, maybe if they made it a bit more overtly green lantern construct esque it’d let Antoines bladed niche feel less redundant or more unique
I think tonfas would have been a better weapon for Sally. Maybe a bo staff. Something blunt rather than sharp. Make them electrified or something so she can hurt robots and boom.
Why does Sally have Cyber Wolverine claws that come out of her bracelet? Most of the Sonic characters just do stuff themselves, and if it's something beyond that they have a fitting prop (goofy toy hammer, pop gun, fishing rod, robot arm, etc). Why use this completely disconnected prop?
>Why does Sally have Cyber Wolverine claws that come out of her bracelet?
Her ring blades were implied to be the same tech as the ring bands from Knuckles' Chaotix, both made by Nicole's creator.
God that's dumb.
I'm not asking literally. I'm trying to explain why it makes for a lousy design.
Nobody here understands art.
I don't like the blades themselves, but what makes Sally having magic ring bracelets a lousy design? There's precedent for it, it's literally based on a game concept.
I already explained my thoughts process. Damn, dude.
You really didn't. You just said "thing bad". WHY aren't the bracelet fitting props? They're really no worse than Amy's hammer.
>"Wait, I don't get it, how is the pair of innocuous bracelets that transform into vague green lantern appendages visually incongruous with pulling a silly looking toy gun or hammer out from behind your back?
I know Sonic fans are autistic, but goddamn.
>magic rings are visually incongruous in a series full of magic rings
energy rings that transform into lightsabers, on a chipmunk with no previous lightsaber apparel known for being a tactical leader without weaponry, and very visually incongruous yes.
>energy rings that transform into lightsabers
Yes, and?...
>on a chipmunk with no previous lightsaber apparel known for being a tactical leader without weaponry
It was a reboot. They went harder on Sally because she needed it. They wanted her to be known for her lightsabers and not for nagging Sonic.
This is like saying Blaze the cat can't have fire powers because Big the cat doesn't.
No it's like saying Big the Cat can't randomly start flying around in a Tardis because he's never been about using a Tardis before.
>Big the Cat can't randomly start flying around in a Tardis because he's never been about using a Tardis before.
How about flying around in a hoverbike? Or is that incongruous too?
Sally's arm blades feel random and complicated for a series with visual design so strong that most people don't even question how Knuckles can glide.
I just see it as a natural extension of things like Shadow's inhibitor rings.
Well the out of universe answer is to build off what Mecha Sally had but in a heroic context but in the setting I guess it’s just something she has, we never really got an overt issue that gave backstory which might’ve made them less out of place for some people suppose
Energy weapons became Acorn Kingdom standard in Post-SGW Archie.
Surgamy fans seethed about sonurge and called it toxic, now they are going to be even worse thanks to this panel.
Also so happy surge is back I can come out of retirement and finally draw in the IDW threads again.
Sonic will fix her, brat's need a lil bullying and teasing
Fricking god, when did Sonic turn into Steven Universe?
Steven would never get the girl anon lol
Steven married the only girl he ever pursued
But Sonic is cool and gets multiple girls? Also how did you turn my joke post into being SU?
Archie
Convince me to read Archie Sonic.
I miss all the fun surge and sonic art and greens. I swear these threads have become more depressing since surge left and it became tangle and whisper arc for like a year.
Imposter Syndrome and the stuff immediately following definitely seemed like the height of excitement among the people reading, there was tons of discussion and fan content made during that time. The last few issues were definitely controversial but people seemed invested even if they were angry.
The readership does seem more apathetic now.
People were saying how much they wanted smaller more self contained stories but it seems like most people dont care much for them. Some of that is due to the characters being used though, for sure.
It's also because the stories have mostly been trash.
Also the writing continues to be lifeless and unengaging.
Absolutely nothing has happened for several months now, even the 900th special was a nothing burger.
>Absolutely nothing has happened for several months now
Silver got humiliated and emasculated by Lanolin and Tangle after they were fooled by Mimic's disguise.
That's as much something happening as when Sonic said "Big oof". It's an event that highlights just how much NOTHING is happening by drawing attention to it.
Ah yes. I will never forgive this book for turning him into Tom Holland Peter Parker if Tom Holland Peter Parker was beholden to crying lesbians instead of Iron Man.
yeah I'm happy I came around then, it was a good start for me as a drawgay and for Cinemaphile. It's sad because the comic threads are objectively more negative now. I feel a lot of people saw it as the last hope of IDW sonic, I even remember some people refusing to believe surge was ruined/a jobber. Saying we have two more issues 1 more issue, but in the end it wasn't the worst arc but nowhere near as good as it could have been.
Yeah I'm a avid Tangle hater, but I try not to be overly negative but Lanolin is another boring character to me. I definitely believe it's the characters I think self contained is fine but this whole current arc and last arc felt like it forced the Ocs on us and as my friend said as we read it the best parts were the game characters and it became a trog when the ocs are the leads/on panel. I do think Surge is the best as she's fun to watch fail and had potential to actually beat sonic even though she failed miserably.
But I'm happy surge is back and maybe she'll do something interesting. Maybe her backstory will be cool and maybe she'll commit to pure villainy like Ian said he wanted, but I believe Evan is the lead writer now.
>surge is back and maybe she'll do something interesting.
Amy's Steven Universe-esque "let's all be friends" mentality will cause Surge to question her true plan of killing Sonic. Kit realizes this and doesn't take it well, causing him to walk out on her.
Despite everything that happens Surge ends up trying to kill Sonic anyway leaving Amy in tears regardless of the fact Surge is trying to kill the person who supposidely matters the most to her. Surge decides she just can't be a good guy but once again fails to defeat Sonic and leaves.
Same as it ever was, just with more lesbian overtones than ever.
God if they push surge x amy, I will be so pissed. Also sad you probably just predicted everything that will happen but you forgot to mix in mimic. Odds are he will be the one fricking with surge framing her and making her go nuclear. I wonder if I'll even waste the money buying this arc. I do hope it has a bit of more nuance than being that simple, but idk what they could do that won't make amy being a dumbass and as annoying as forgiving sonic. I feel the Cinemaphile and /sthg/ meme of schizonic is 1000x better than the idw pussy forgive em all sonic.
They won't be literally pushing Surge x Amy, but twitter will interpret it as such.
The weird part is the description made it sound as if Amy straight up didn't trust Surge, and rightfully so after everything Surge did which means she shouldn't be allowed to walk around freely. That's not what's on display here.
Yeah, annoys me as I remember I was saying Amy would frick surge up. Now they are drinking tea together what happened to Amy she's never been portrayed as stupid in this comic so far. She even beat up rough and tumble even though she knew they were mostly dumbass mooks, why is a literally schizo like surge given a break. Especially since she hurt tails who's like her lil bro and sonic her crush. But yeah as someone said above I guess if you are a girl you get a excuse kek.
I know twitter will view it as surgamy which is funny as, I think it may end up a bit different than we think. It seems based on my scroll through the surgamy and sonurge tags the other day(how I ended up seeing the OP image) seems people are calling out the Surgamy schizos for being....well schizos. They are like old school sonamy fans, and really surgamy fans have been seething since surge was made lol. They really did look petty and pathetic shipping two characters that never met and then shitting on every other surge ship. I remember yaoi shippers being the worst back in the day now yuri shippers are the worst.
>They are like old school sonamy fans
No one is like old school sonamy fans.
I'm to young to have experienced them in full were they even worse than I remember anon?
True the whole comic is the bs you can't just hate someone even though people that make that concept are usually the most secretly hateful kek.
Also yeah, it makes no sense she knows Surge literally said the equivalent of I'll kill everyone because I'm sad. Also almost burned her and her friends alive, traumatized her other friend, tried to kill her love interest and bury him alive. Like what does it take for you morons to get mad, as you said it's that SU tier some how no one ever gets mad or thinks ok nah you too far done. Need Sonic or Amy to go itadori "I'm you and I don't care you've got to die even if it make s me evil".
In the end I do enjoy Amy being goodie two shoes and cutesy. so I'll give it a chance but I hope she has a backbone and doesn't just let Surge frick her over and then just says maybe next time.
Honestly, I'm hoping Amy's just putting up a face of actually wanting to trust Surge and Kit here.
I know that won't be the case, but at least that'd make more sense.
That'd be cool, like the whole have your friends close and enemy closer vibes. But with how pussyfoot the writing is in idw sonic she probably has genuinely forgiven her sadly.
I know we don't want pure edge but really I feel this is the opposite side. I don't even know what to call this shit?
my hopes of this arc is
>Whisper wants to fight surge
>Silver gets validated and Lanolin steps down from leader
>Amy is not fully trusting surge
>Good Surge v Sonic (surge finally wins)
>Surge v Amy(Amy wins)
>Surge goes full evil and gets fully put in Sonic's and co's frick you category no more babying and oh she's a innocent widdle victim. Surge is now a beat her ass on site villian
>Mimic or clutch recruit surge
>Mimic actually does some covert ops cool stuff
>Mimic gets caught by whisper fun soldier fight
>lanolin and tangle do nothing and get no panels
I know none of this will happen but I want to believe.
>surge finally wins
Surge cannot win. Her whole purpose is to oppose a character that is mandated to never lose.
I mean sonic can lose if it's not a final loss so as I said Sonic loses, Amy wins. It should work as a Heroes win in the end thing. But yeah she'll probably job and get another sonic beat down and cry and beg like usual.
I hope so, but let's be real they don't even know what surge wants. She both wants to kill eggman but also sonic, she wants to be the real hero because sonic won't but also destroy everything she kept talking in circles.
also hopefully they accomplish the impossible and give Surge a better motivation
implying she has any real motivation to begin with
I missed the part where Kit steps in and drowns Amy.
>Now they are drinking tea together what happened to Amy she's never been portrayed as stupid in this comic so far.
The current plan for Amy seems to be "someone who sees the best in everybody and wants to make sure everybody feels loved", which ironically also seems to involve downplaying her romantic love for Sonic.
I don't feel it's the best course of action personally, really reminds me too much of Steven Universe and this irritating modern mentality of "there's good in everybody".
In adventure 1 she reformed a fricking eggman robot, and in 2 she reformed shadow when he was still on board with worldwide genocide.
Both times, she did it by being nice and believing there’s good in everyone. This really isn’t a new direction for her.
I do miss the sonic stalking, though. It’s cool they can be relaxed friends around each other but it’d be fun if she got to let out her crazy obsessed side a little bit too.
The difference is Amy REALLY shouldn't be doing the same thing with Surge, because Surge is demonstrably insane, unstable and dangerous.
>demonstrably insane, unstable and dangerous
So...Like Amy when she chases Sonic if she were written in character?
As opposed to sa2 shadow and a random eggman mech?
Besides, Surge seems to be acting civil. If she were going schizo electrocution mode things would be different but as is she’s willing to sit down and drink tea.
There’s plenty of problems in IDW but Amy being all for villain reformation - even mentally unstable ones - isn’t out of character for her.
Amy and Gamma is dramatically overblown. It was just
>give me the bird
>no
>you're doing something nice for a dumb bird? Does. Not. Compute. I am going...SENTIEEEENNT AAAAIIIIEEEEEEEE SAVE ME Black personMAN alright i'll open the door then you can go
It was kino, frick you.
it was Amy just saying no to giving him the bird and Gamma instantly turning good. Because it's dumb babyshit made for babies, and you're a stunted nostalgic man-baby.
>No, execution does not matter. Everything must be assessed by its depth and complexity.
Either a child or autistic.
What "execution", lmao?
Please tell the classroom how low-poly Amy saying "nuh uh meanypoopypants robot I won't give you birdy" is a scorsese masterpiece
To be fair she didn't really reform Gamma, the flicky did, and as for Shadow, she didn't know that he was in on Gerald's plot until after she tried to appeal to him, after which she accidentally made him remember Maria's real final words. There's a reason her role was replaced with Chris Thorndike in Sonic X
>I even remember some people refusing to believe surge was ruined/a jobber. Saying we have two more issues 1 more issue
I had forgotten about that. Man people took the Surge humiliation hard.
>I definitely believe it's the characters I think self contained is fine but this whole current arc and last arc felt like it forced the Ocs on us and as my friend said as we read it the best parts were the game characters and it became a trog when the ocs are the leads/on panel
You know what, you and your friend are absolutely right. If that arc about the growing emerald city had just been the game characters doing their thing I’d have liked it much more. I skimmed over the OC drama because I just didnt care. How the hell did a big action arc with so many powerhouses around feel like such a nothingburger?
Lanolin is such a boring character, she’s an exhausted bossy authority figure and that’s not what I read Sonic for. And I’m so damn tired of Whisper and her sobby backstory trauma. I just dont give a shit about Tangle.
The only good OCs really are the villains.
I hope Surge and Kit stay entertaining.
>Lanolin is such a boring character, she’s an exhausted bossy authority figure and that’s not what I read Sonic for.
and yet consider she only became so prominent because fans obsessed over her despite being just a background character.
Fans are literally ruining this comic worse than it already was.
Fans didn’t give her the personality or role she has now.
I think I remember some old tweet or sketch by one of the writers/artists saying the gag with Lanolin is that she’s a sheep that’s always tired but never gets to sleep, since sheep are associated with sleeping. Kind of a forced joke but I could see a character like that making for fun recurring background gags or something. Instead they make her a new major character tough girl bossy b***h.
Fans liked the cute design and fat breasts, we didn’t ask for this.
The only thing that matters is that they responded to her, that was all that was needed.
I personally feel introducing Tangle so soon was a mistake, like they hadn't learned anything from Archie at all, and in the end I was proven right.
Fans liking her design pushed her to the forefront but making her a cold and distant b***h is squarely on the writers.
And they don't even do anything with her "plastic" expressions
Yeah, I mean 50 had so much hype and fan art then she got one sided beat down. She was getting ragdolled and looney tuned then you had the infamous bucket scene.
YES, exactly why even go to the OCs all they did was have the gay ass tangle and whisper fight scene end. Oh wow thanks for taking us away from seeing the most game characters in one place in forever to see the crying lesbians cry over some bs. I also like whisper but I swear tangle drags her character down to shit tier.
Again it felt like nothing because we focused more on the Ocs walking around and talking about tumblr tier drama about low confidence and trauma they have. Over seeing all the game characters literally fighting a army of shadows and classic eggman bots which sounds like something kid me would have squealed about like a lil girl.
Yeah everyone I know hates lanolin, but we didn't get the benefit of seeing her as a sexy sheep Oc made by ABT like most of Cinemaphile and /sthg/ did. So to me she's just as you said boring, and worse because I know she's ABT pet project Oc which somehow makes her cringer than even Tangle. Really it make no sense for her to order anyone around characters when she joined the not freedom fighters like 4 months ago in world canon. How can she talk shit to Silver the hero of their world and Whisper a veteran soldier, her being a leader makes no sense and yeah tangle is just there to simp for whisper and get her to cry. As people have said lanolin's really just fake sally.
You aren't wrong the villians are at least fun even Zavok had a good arc in Bad Guys.
I hope with my whole heart too anon but odds are they'll either go good or have more cringe surge crying bs.
To be fair that's not fair as she's ABT oc and he really pushed her himself. So fans were like "yo who is this character we keep seeing" and unlike other bg characters she got unique poses and expressions so she felt less stock. Of course a fan would wonder who they are.
>IDW is nothing like Archie.
You're seriously convinced that the Restoration and the Diamond Cutters aren't a thinly disguised attempt to bring the Freedom Fighters back in?
Diamond Cutters are more equivalent to the Brotherhood of Guardians in being boring narrative spotlight hogs.
I remember someone in the ride saying Lanolin was just IDW Geoffrey and it was oddly accurate
So which underage character's virginity will Lanolin take?
I dunno, Espio if Kappaspark is to go by
Silver. It's how she'll apologize to him after they find out about Mimic.
>apologize
Smack-a-dee-doosh.
She's definitely after Duo's with how much she coddles him but she doesn't know that he's really 35.
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Reading these issues again made me realize that Lanolin isn’t IDW’s Sally, she’s IDW’s Geoffrey St John.
>treats everyday like someone pissed in their cheerios
>has no superpowers other than having some skills with weapons, yet the narrative still treats them as some kind of super soldier
>always starts shit with their teammates, seemingly having more resentment with them than Eggman
>belittles hedgehogs, smugly calling them inexperienced children despite the hedgehogs constantly saving the world while they did nothing
>hogs the spotlight away from game characters
>completely ruins the vibe of the series, treating everything as a serious war instead of a lighthearted adventure
>is blatantly one of the creator’s pets
Geoffrey was uninspired for a lot of his run, but I enjoyed it when he got used as Sonic's Javert figure or Max's punching bag. And then Potto managed to use him as the central character for the best arc he's ever written...until the Pendering ruined everything.
Honestly, I don't really see them as the FF stand-ins because they're way too formal and organized for it. The FF were primarily a group of friends, not a fricking day job.
Sonic answering to a royal family is weird, but Sonic answering to an NGO is downright bizarre.
The Freedom Fighters are nothing like the crying lesbians and their b***hy tard-wrangler Lanolin
No, this pretty much how the freedom fighters were without Sonic doing their jobs all the time.
Hey anons did you hear about the trades getting rid of the best wacky faces
>Their Eggman is way too extreme for the tone of the book.
Only when he's dealing with IDW-original characters does he revert to Archie-Eggman, when dealing with game-original characters he reverts to the image that more people are familiar with.
Yeah, I don't get it. It's such a strange way to go about things. I'd argue Metal Virus Eggman was kind of in-between, with the book trying way too hard to not let him lose face.
Naw, he nearly blew Tails head off.
That’s not really out of character for game eggman. If he gets pissed and loses his cool he can genuinely try to kill sonic and his little friends out of rage, atleast until he goes back to playing with them.
Huh. I’d completely forgotten he’d even been aware of the diamond cutters.
Man that would have been ugly.
Shoulda shot Tails to make all the e621 smut artists seethe
Awww, she cares.
>Just remembered this issue deus ex'd Omega a brand new body and ended by immediately destroying it so they had to find Omega a new body in the next story arc.
Does Ian just not have editors?
The way this page flows is so awkward. Like, is Rogue moving tails backwards here? Her pose doesn't really convey movement well.
Manga style artist, please understand.
His tails are in front of him. They maybe could have thrown in some speedlines or something or better posed Rogue but if you really want to b***h about the page, all the gutters are giant and the top panel has a metric shitton of deadspace. Also the framing for the bottom panels is all weird.
Other than that, the page composition isn't really terrible. Eye flows across the page well. I've seen a lot worse all the damn time from western artists. Grading on a curve it's like a 7/10.
Yeah, it's not egregious or anything, just has some awkward shit in it. Though that's my issue with the art in general. It looks nice on the surface, but has a lot of little things that bug me, and takes me out of it more than it really should.
IDW will not add any reptile characters and that’s all I need to know about it to not be worth my time
Sorry. There's no fixing Amy, many have tried.
I like you, Anon. You can come over and frick my sister.
I don't have $1,000,000 on hand but I'll take out a loan if it means I can slap this pink poochie around
No no Anon, its asking if you would slap Amy to get a million.
Although quite frankly, the slap is reward enough.
Yeah on the ass. Money please.
Give me back my Archie characters.
Anon, they're never coming back. You need to let go.
No
This but it's everyone except for the Freedom FIghters.
Archie was mostly entertaining, even when it was shit.
IDW has been consistently boring
Lanolin "criticism" is opinion driven autism. Its just not what you wanted and has nothing to do with quality or fitting.
Dumb waifugay.
She is an OC, therefore I am predisposed to not liking her, plus she has a moronic design, plus she's the designated leader for no discernible reason, plus she acts like a c**t to game characters.
She is suddenly magically considered a high level experienced commando with seniority over Silver(who was a commander and frontline fighter in the six month war) when she was a desk jockey until after the Metal Virus. That is not good writing.
Thank you anon, I swear also remember she canon joined the restoration after sometimes after issue 1. Meaning even Tangle has more experience than her, also how can you command people when you've never even saved the world. Even Whisper has helped saved the world like twice
>metal sonic
>zeti's/metal virus
But somehow a rookie that has only been around since a bit before the metal virus can talk down to her and Silver. I remember me and my buddies were saying how Silver would rape the Diamond cutters in a fight he is literally the only one with a real power and experience, even Mimic a assassin was like oh frick Silver is him.
>Silver: can I please join your team
>Lanolin: Idk if you can be part of our team silver you are inexperienced
>Me: b***h you are the rookie wtf
God that whole mini arc relied on you either not knowing sonic, or turning your brain off. Whisper knows mimic best, lanolin has no experience with him but she tells her she's wrong. Also the joke of silver and whisper being bad at hiding was dumb whisper is a sniper how is she bad at hiding.
Thats a problem with Silver's writing, not Lanolin's character.
>suddenly magically considered
Yes, she is "high level ultra super spetsnaz" in the volunteer charity army. Its because she works a lot, thats it. You are mad about Power Levels.
Power levels have nothing to do with it. She's in her own words considered a soldier despite working for a month and the actual war veteran isn't.
Oh yeah I forgot that lol, she literally dogged silver as if he was a kid. Silver literally fought in like 2 world wide disasters while she was a pencil pusher, in fact for one of those threats she was living at home wearing a sundress Solder my ass.
>She's in her own words considered a soldier
As in following orders and marching to the beat. You're measuring Power Levels.
homie what? She literally says she and Whisper are goddamn soldiers and talks like Silver isn't. What the frick does that have to do with power levels?
The fact that she was crying like a little girl three or so issues ago makes this seem stupid.
kek, can't wait for her to cry again while hugging and apologizing whisper in like 2 issues.
Did he really make the group?
>Did he really make the group?
Pretty much. At the end of Forces Knuckles suggests disbanding the resistance but Silver says there's still work to be done and they have to keep going so from there the resistance becomes the Restoration.
Ah damn, to bad Silver is for some reason the Sonic universes b***h lil bro. Like he went from a badass that could beat the frick out of sonic to a crybaby that gets treated like a kid.
He's Tom Holland Peter Parker now
Heh someone needs to redraw that one pic of whisper holding his head to her thigh but with lanolin. Silver is made for /ss/ but he's not a shota
They should introduce a Kid Silver like Dragon Ball did Kid Trunks, or just age him down with time shenanigans.
I bet if they did silver would go from being divisive to the most beloved character, /ss/ bros would get so much art of him made. Also he does work better as a kid sadly
>Silver is made for /ss/ but he's not a shota
It's more that Silver's personality was changed into that because just using Tails is a no-no for Twitter.
Silver’s always been a rubbish character, it’s just why he is has changed now lol
I don't know about rubbish he has a lot of potential and has been well written before it's just he has been getting weirdly written for a while now. Also he's not the best of the hedgehogs but he's still one of the 3 and has some cool moments
Archie Silver was legit a great character when Ian wasn't having him bumble his way through the traitor storyline.
Yeah frick that traitor storyline felt like an excuse to make silver look foolish and like a dick. Like sonic literally dragging him through the streets just to make him look like a butthole.
Silver has potential but they fumble it hard.
True, but hey just let tails be a kid then and silver more grown up
>True, but hey just let tails be a kid then and silver more grown up
This honestly, they need to stop leaning on the naive thing so hard and just let him be Trunks.
To be honest i’m super biased against him as it feels like he’s a blackhole character who when he shows up makes the plot revolve around him and drags everyone else into his plotlines, I just don’t like him but can see how and why he has a fanbase
That's because he's way more protagonist-y than nearly any other character and he's always brought in by urgent circumstances. It's like in TSR where Sonic is just chilling and enjoying the race but Silver is actually trying to find and deal with the problem.
That could work in small burst, sonic being free and chilling Silver stressing and trying to find the future problem. Could be a good chance to have the hedgehogs to hang out together I feel we never see them hanging out solo together just duo bros.
You think Silver is something beyond Soldier or even Soldier. Thats Power Level measuring.
What? What the frick is wrong with you? He was in a fricking war and these women weren't. How is measuring actual experience power level homosexualry?
Anytime someone uses the word power level when you bring up a good point ignore them anon. He seems like a schizo he just keeps screeching power levels at every response.
Because its not about experience but rank. Go on, keep saying that he deserves to be bossing Lanolin instead because of ... ?
Also, can you speed up being dumbfounded, so we can go back to the problem being with how Silver was written, and not how Lanolin's character is portrayed.
Can't it be both since Lanolin sucks and Silver could/should be written like more of a competent character rather than a starstruck kid since he's the same age as all of them
Not if you can't tell the difference.
She just needs some pie and a mother figure
I miss when Amy was in love with Sonic.
We all do, I do enjoy her not being purely schizo but I'd love some of IDW amy being good and useful but also having schizo moments. Like her stalking sonic but trying hard not to be noticed and knowing it's weird. That'd be a fun short side comic or joke, maybe make a joke she somehow always around randomly lol.
Ha he definitely would, that'll be how they escape.
What is Silver's rank in Restoration?
>Lanolin's b***h
That's right. Silver doesn't have a rank in Restoration and so is not a soldier, which is how Lanolin is his superior officer.
I'm still waiting for this book to acknowledge how both the Resistance and the Restoration only exist because of him.
Yeah, like did Ian and Evan forget Silver is technically one of the founders? Ian literally wrote that himself in the Forces preview comic.