I recently watched the nu-Bond movies with Daniel Craig. Casino Royale had a strong start but had an uneven and lackluster end, Quantum of Solace just outright sucked all the way through. Just watched Skyfall and it was the best thus far. Are the following two even worth watching? Skyfall felt like a decent place to leave this franchise alone.
Are they great? No, but I'd say they're worth a single viewing at least
All Bond movies are fun rides but the best and truly great ones are FRWL and License to Kill.
QOS was legitimately unpleasant to watch, at least the later Brosnan movies were fun even though they were ridiculous, QOS had no redeeming qualities
>QOS had no redeeming qualities
t. homo
She's stuck in DTV Action hell. Same as The Architect.
Skyfall was the worst one, though. It was easily the most subversive, had the lamest finale, the worst villain and it changed characters like Q and Moneypenny into woke caricatures.
no time to die is by far the most subversive though
>subservise
I hate you /misc/ homies
male children aren’t women, you creepy pedophile
What would you call it? Progress?
Who's your vote for the next bond?
I think Henry Golding is the best choice and the only non-white casting that makes sense.
Him being Asian means he could actually do really undercover spy stuff, something bond (boringly) almost never does.
Seriously, when was the last time we saw a bond going undercover as a different nationality? Brosnan as a russian scientist in that late 90s one?
Anyway, the rumor is that Aaron Taylor-Jonson is going to be pegged for the role, and goddamn do I hate that no-talent, zero charisma, braindead granny fricker.
No. Never. Bond is a white ubermensch blueblood.
Dan Stevens. I like him because he has a Brosnan quality to him.
do you recommend any of his stuff? i've only seen him on downton abbey where he is decidedly non-bond, but i'm willing to check him out.
watch The Guest and read his audiobooks where he actually read out Bond books. Here's a snippet, he's a seasoned and B-list actor so not a nobody btu hasn't had that BIG role yet. 41 is old by some standards but for me that's the sweet spot for a Bond actor. He looks good with black hair and blue eyes too but I wouldn't mind if they kept him blonde since he's not ugly like Craig. What do you think?
>41 is old by some standards but for me that's the sweet spot for a Bond actor.
It would be considered their prime but EON wants to lock down an actor to a contract for at least three films.
The technology and filmmaking capabilities have changed so much I don't see how it's a problem unless the actor really ages between films but Dan looks 32 at best. If they keep him fit without juice and with good diet, he'd be great.
I remember an anon stating that a blonde Bond is cool if you think of him as the image of an Aryan Ubermensch which Bond is without the blonde hair anyway so i'm not that averse to it though i'm blonde myself too lol. Cavill is the preferred choice of 99 percent of people but he's done with franchises and female producers or writers after Witcher and Superman.
Plus, Bond is German-Swiss on his mother's side canonically so he could be blonde. Though, I prefer black hair and blue eyes classic of course.
Not really a fan of the idea of a blonde Bond and I'm blonde myself. He's an ok choice but Cavill seems like a safer bet.
Casino Royale really feels like the script wanted a 28 year old bond before they cast Craig
HENCE why Cavill was an INCH to being cast. Campbell and Wilson wanted him and knew he's perfect and him being so young yet manly meant they could get him to do movies for 2-3 decades. If he was cast, Henry would be doing movies into the 2030's. Think about that. CR was written for a young, wienery James Bond. Craig was near 40 when cast. Barbara ruined everything.
There is literally no point to casting a non-white Bond. Seriously, even black people don't want a black Bond. The whole point of the character was to form some sense of national identity post-WWII, to serve King and Country etc. Bond Britishness is exotic to international audiences, and it's attached to older traditional customs. There is no point trying to make a more urban, gritty, dril listening character. It makes no sense.
idk man, I don't know if you've seen Henry Golding in anything, but he gives off more british-elite, uppercrust vibes than any of his mopey contemporaries. I can't think of anyone else who gives off the level of confidence and class he does because everyone else in the field rn is just such a wet blanket.
He's not white. I don't know how simpler it can get than that.
No, he gives off the vibe a rich foreign Chinese property investor's son. Sam Heughan, Richard Madden or Dan Stevens are much better picks.
If we're going Brit-only actors, I think pic related might work.
>inb4 but he's Scottish
Too gay and bland.
Sure he can. He absolutely should be brought back but to do GoldenEye, not CR. Fun, adventurous Bond is needed in this bugman depressive world but of course these companies want you to be miserable and not use escapism.
I agree that he gives a bit of a "designed by gay scientists" vibe but it's a pretty small pool of people who could play Bond.
I won't be surprised if they do end up using that Aaron Taylor Johnson guy.
Aside from Cavill who is 100 percent not going to agree to it after his experience with a female head of studio with Witcher, ATJ is the best bet. Young, recognizable but not a global megastar (which he'll be with Bond) and has great acting skills (Golden Globe), great build, good face, good voice if he wants to, he's the best bet. I'd say let him keep his brown hair and not dye it to black. Make it like Cruise in MI2. I always thought Cruise played James Bond but yankee in that movie anyway. I think a youthful, kind of punk Bond that's still manly and womanizing would be a hit with zoomers and he'd be the next TikTok 'literally me' sensation.
I can get behind this honestly. There's too much emphasis on who "the right person" is. If they can act and bring something fresh to the character then why not? Bring back the fun, put in a silly tagline and make it pulpy and maximalist. We've gotten the "raw emotional" Bond, now we need someone a bit more lassez-faire and Moore like. These things come in cycles.
Exactly. Moore is a beloved Bond and yet....he looks and acts NOTHING like Bond. He's basically himself but Moore has fricking olympian charisma and class and that's why he's such a great Bond. Book accurate Bond has never been done. JAMES BOND is who Connery defined him as, the ultimate male fantasy action hero who is based on the demands of every era. I think zoomers aren't such a lost cause and they hate the gay subversionist tendencies of millenials and want more authentic and sincere films. It's time the pendelum swung back to the correct pace, Bondbro. I am hopeful EON can redeem itself. Go watch MI2 to see how a good modern Bond movie can be made despite it being from 2002. The cadgets, the MC, the villain, the action, the girl, the IMF boss by Hopkins who is a perfect M. If you view it as a Bond movie, it becomes a 10/10.
the problem with bond movies is that everyone's always looking for the feeling of bond movies, which the movies themselves never quite hit... it always feels as if the perfect bond movie is yet to come
SEAN CONNERY IS SCOTTISH homie
Sean is Sean, him being such a fricking chad despite being a Scot is why he's so amazing.
colin o'donoghue but he would need to bulk up a bit
craig had the right body-type and it would be a downgrade if the next bond isn't of at least similar build
literally who tier. It's Aaron Johnson who is the new Bond. This is probably 87 percent true. I'm expecting after Kraven releases and they see how audiences receive him as sole lead, he'll be announced officially.
i was thinking of brits/irishmen with dark hair and blue/green eyes and he popped up in my mind
bond doesn't need to be played by a super well known actor, he just needs to be good with the role
He does need to be played by someone who has otherwordly charisma and that X factor. Not a fricking NPC literally who. A picture of him and you can feel the charisma. That guy has no charisma. Then again, neither does Craig lol..
Nicolas Hoult is the right Age, the right height (6'3"), and, if you've seen him in anything recently, he's funny as frick. great comedic timing. need that in a bond.
ntm he's one of the only working brit actors rn who doesn't look dysgenic.
No X factor and too boyish plus he's doing capeshit.
too soft
Looks too soft for Bond.
a bit soft, no?
>Skyfall was the worst one, though
I really don't understand the love that Skyfall gets. I think Casino Royale was the only good Craig Bond. But to be fair, Bond movies have never been good.
>Skyfall was the worst one
sorry but you have to be a human to post here
Rankings Craigs films with theme song
>Casino Royale
Film: 7.5/10
Theme: 8/10
>QOS
Film: 1/10
Theme: 0/10
>Skyfall
Film: 5/10
Theme: 2/10
>Spectre
Film: 1/10
Theme: -1/10
>No Time To Die
Film: 2/10
Theme: 2/10
QoS and NTTD had good theme songs. Agree on the rest though, especially Spectre. They should've went with Radiohead.
They shouldn't have. What's the point of such a dark and melancholic theme for a movie that is a bad copy of old Bond movies but with drought color palettes? If they had the balls to go fully grimdark with Blofeld and have him do some fricked up shit to James then sure but otherwise, the gay Sam Smith song is fitting for a gay and aimless movie.
QoS honestly has my favorite intro from the Craig Bond movies. Ironic, since it's also the most minimalistic one.
Craig should have done a Lazenby and left after Casino Royale, the rest of his era was a disaster.
>inb4 skyfall a billion
before 2020, an average marvel capeshit would make more. skyfall was shit.
I only agree with the latter two.
>CR
7
>QoS
5
>Skyfall
8
Imo there is nothing objectively garbage about QoS. It's just more run of the mill. Spectre is Austin Powers-tier trash - which they said they wouldn't do during the earlier years of Craig's run. NTTD completely emasculates the character and kills him off to boot. A god damn embarassment of a movie.
>QOS - 5
>Skyfall - 8
>skyfall
>theme 2/10
incredible bait.
this song? 8/10?
you are completely insane
not him but what's wrong with it?
You're right, it's 10/10.
No. Stop what you are doing NOW
Casino Royale and Skyfall were his best outings OP. Forget about the lackluster disjointed film that is Quantum of Solace. Great video game though!
Quantum of Solace is obviously better than Spectre and No Time to Die
It's better than Skyfall, easily.
>MUH CINEMATOGRAPHY
Everything about it is crap, the story doesn't even revolve around Bond which is sacrilige. QoS is a mess due to issues with strikes but it's a fun ride with lots of memorable scenes (girl that got oil bukkaked, Camille being hot, Greene dying in the desert, the opera scene) lots of there to like and remember. It's way too overhated.
I don't know why people hate it so much. It's pretty fitting for the time and cool as frick. That's the bare minimum for a Bond theme. It's catchy too.
>A DOOR LEFT OPEN
>A WOMAN WALKING BY
>A DROP IN THE WATER
>A LOOK IN YOUR EYE
QoS representation, love to see it.
>QoS works best when you see it as Part II to Casino Royale and consider them as one story. this also fixes the kinda limp second half casino has. On its own, QoS was nice and short,
we NEED more short bond movies. I want an 1.5 hour bond film every two years, not a 3 hour mess once every five.
This. 100%. QoS is really enjoyable. Remember wwatching it tons on DVD while playing GTA IV on PS3. Great times. It was a short, sweet and light hearted Bond adventure despite the Vesper shit. We need stuff like this to pass the time, not gay introspections on how Bond got fricked up the ass as a kid.
Based QoS appreciators
>the two Craig movies which are fun and light hearted and try to be like classic Bond are the most hated by bugmen critics who want Bond to be subversive and miserable
Really makes one think..
>acting like QoS wasn't a steaming pile of shit
It looked like a third world country movie. The sets, editing, pacing, story, performances were all terrible. Try to find a single shot in that movie that lasts for longer than 5 seconds before a jump cut hits, what a headache-inducing mess.
You guys are high or something.
We actually watched the movie divorced from any thoughts or opinions the zeitgest has about it and found a flawed but enjoyable flick that's more in line with classic Bond than anything Craig made before or after in it's adventure.
Craig's era was just a mistake. Literally SW sequels tier mishandling. Absolute desecration. They should have cut him loose after CR and he'd be a cult figure like Lazenby and given it to Cavill to make classic Brosnan-style Bond kinos.
>They should have cut him loose after CR
I doubt he was in control of anything. The Brocollis do whatever the frick they want. Iirc, more directors intended to kill off the character, like Danny Boyle, which to me is just insane. I thought he was fired for that reason, but no, they kill him anyway. That producer daughter is likely a fricking idiot.
Not likely, she is one. She doesn't know anything about the character or filmmaking, she's literally a Kardashian in terms of intelligence. It's so over for Bond. 3 YEARS after the last one and no one has been cast. They're intentionally sabotaging the character and franchise. Plus, Craig's idea was to kill the character and Boyle included that because of him, Boyle left, he left, they got him back bc they're stupid by saying they'll go with his idea he had out of spite for the fans who've insulted him over the years. He made them kill him off for fricking laughs.
What the frick if true. Worse than I had imagined.
She stated two months ago they haven't even BEGUN the PLANNING for the new one. They've done SQUAT in the 5 years since NTTD ended it's shooting. She's easily worse than Kathleen Kennedy but no one notices. The only 007 thing releasing now is a reality show that only has the brand slapped on so people are tricked into watching it. GRIM.
Honestly don't care about future movies after the last one. This is also partly because when I see the current stock of actors, I see no one who could fullfill the role. It's gonna be another re-invention type bullshit.
I was more dumbfounded how you wrote the timeline of NTTD. If true, it's additionally dissapointing.
>We actually watched the movie divorced from any thoughts or opinions the zeitgest has about it
homie I knew nothing about these movies going into them and never read a review or knew what anyone thought about it and I came out with what appears to be an opinion that conforms to the majority. It was just a weak movie.
I thought it was a fun ride and didn't take itself seriously or was gay and subversive like the other Craig movies.
The movie about le hecking evil billionnaires victimizing brown people by destroying the environment was not subversive?
It's not as subversive to the actual character of Bond.
By that logic every Bond movie is a heckin social justice message.
It starts with 'browns" and before you know it, it affects everyone. Fricking with water isn't based no matter what angle you look at.
>Double-0 Seven was to interrupt a meeting between Quantum operative and Prime Ministerial adviser, Guy Haines (Paul Ritter) and Mr White, in which White attempted to kill Haines for outliving his usefulness. Instead, "Bond, James Bond" apprehended Haines and shot White as part of the film’s ending gun barrel sequence.
>The scene was shot on location in London on 14th April 2008, but was cut in favour of a more traditional gun barrel sequence as it was felt that Bond’s killing of White and apprehension of Haines would have forced Bond 23 to become a further sequel to Casino Royale.
>Whilst the filmmakers left it open for this finale to be used as the pre-credits sequence of Bond 23, it was subsequently dropped in favour of an original storyline, particularly after Jesper Christensen made negative comments about the quality of both Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace. The deleted scene has never been widely released and was rendered obsolete by Christensen’s return in SPECTRE.
Kino or cringe?
Eh, pretty cringe. Quantum needed to fully resolve the loose ends of Casino Royale (it failed miserably, like all of its other goals) and the sequel needed to build up Quantum as the big bad just like the classic movies built up Spectre.
Also why were they so determined to frick with the gunbarrel sequence during Quantum of Shit? Was there something wrong with having the gunbarrel sequence at the top of a Bond film in 2008?
Because the people making Craig Bonds are fricking midwit pseuds who want to le heckin deconstruct Bond and something as trivial as the gunbarrel sequence bc they're so fricking smart. But his gunbarrels were so shit, might as well had all of them be inside the movie like CR. THis is a good example of how that could have worked in Quantum of Solace.
no one remembers the ending to this movie anyway so it doesn't really matter what it is.
I didn't even realize there was an epilogue scene after the big desert explosion
>Quantum of Solace
Has the best title and Skyfall
This. QoS had the potential to be a very good film but was held back by the writer's strike and the Bourne filming crew. It has an aspiration to be great that Craig's other films didn't have.
All three of Craig's last films are shit-tier.
no. watch any bond except die another day and the craig bonds
No they are two of the worst movies you'll ever see.
QOS? Worst Bond film
The ones that came after beg to differ
As if. Skyfall and Spectre being Marvel capeshit/Oscar bait pastiche and then the one that must not be named are easily worse.
Skyfall's cinematography is overrated. The scenes where Deakins has minimal control of lighting like in the government buildings are usually ugly. Spectre looked much better.
It looked like some lame FoTM BBC show. What is so good about it? CR had some great cinematography.
No Time to Die is worst Bond film ever, only cuck male feminists dissagree
Turns out what killed the franchise was Barbara getting her hands on it instead of based Michael G. Wilson (who partially wrote the two Dalton masterpieces).
>instead of based Michael G. Wilson
Imagine that timeline. Kino.
Michael is clearly someone who knows Bond cause he actually WORKED on the movies. Barbara got a credit in TLD when she was a KID because Cubby spoiled her ROTTEN. If he got in charge of EON, we would have seen better Brosnan movies with male M and then Cavill having Craig's era and doing movies until the 2030's, becoming the longest serving Bond actor. Wilson and Campbell preferred Cavill, btw.
I WANT OFF THIS GAY REALITY.
>Wilson and Campbell preferred Cavill, btw.
Cavill can still be Bond. Probably already is with the Amazon Warhammer deal.
These two useless homosexuals literally haven't made a single good movie except for CR. It's baffling they weren't canned after DaD in the first place.
Basically D&D of Bond though I'd say their work on Brosnan was very good but the Craig shit wasn't their fault. DaD was good though. I liked it. They should have made CR with Pierce like how they made FYEO with Moore after Moonraker when they could have recast.
I usually don't think campy/sclocky movies are entertaining but tell me why I genuinely liked watching die another day?? like it's clearly bad and I decided to pretend I was watching a cartoon to enjoy it but it's so exciting
You know why you enjoyed it? It might be because it's a MOVIE and it's FUN and thus it's a GOOD movie and not BAD. You liked it and thought it was a good use of your time for entertainment but you're so preconditioned to thinking it's bad by the gay zeitgeist you can't concile that. It's a good movie because it's entertaining. At the end of the day, that's what movies are for.
Spectre is the best Craig film (but still not great)
NTTD is the worst Bond film
Both Spectre and NTTD seemed kind of MGS inspired to me
The virus in NTTD is essentially Foxdie and Bond and Blofeld are Liquid and Solid Snake. Christ, Kojima used to rip off Bond now Bond is ripping off Kojimbles.
never thought of this but you're right. franchizes have gone on so long that the pendulum swings both ways
Didn't even watch the list one but specter had the shittiest most fanfiction.net dark knight knock off ive ever seen. And I heard the one after that was even shittier
Casino Royale is pure kino
>Caring about Craigslop
Casino Royale was the only good one he did. He killed Bond and turned him into a mopey bisexual thug. Craig is a typical 90s artgay who wanted to inject indie drama shit into Bond. The hate for the character is palpable in all his movies post- QoS.
This. The franchise is now ruined and tainted forever due to this one literally who artgay who got the biggest role in movies due to a fricking roastie woman nepo baby. I hate reality so much. I'll just watch the Connery to Dalton movies and play the Brosnan games.
I know I'm in the minority, but I think QoS is the best of the Craig bonds. Everything Skyfall and after is just poorly written nostalgia-wank where they try to "harken back" with bombastic plots that make no sense and stupid automobile cameos, and only Casino and QoS try to establish Craig bond as something different. what separates the two for me is that Casino is boring after the first 45 minutes-- no, I do not care about a long ass poker game where the CIA guy makes a huge deal about the measly $15mil buy in; the CIA wipes its ass on 15mil thrice daily.
QoS works best when you see it as Part II to Casino Royale and consider them as one story. this also fixes the kinda limp second half casino has. On its own, QoS was nice and short, had a Bond who was truly going too far in brutality and showing cracks (which was supposed to be the point of Craig bond), and had plenty of good spy moments. I especially liked that bond and the main girl didn't hook up because they were both too hyperfixated on revenge to even see each other romantically.
Both the brown girl and the white girl in QoS are stupid hot and blow Leah Seydeaux out of the water.
Btw, the two greatest bond songs ever written aren't even in the movies:
Holy based post. QoS is a gem tbh. Greene is such an unique and interesting villain, the guy isn't a pussy either as he tries to kill Bond with an axe. The Bean CIA guy was fun, Camillee was hot in that she is a bit of a stupid airhead but also really hot, Fields was hot and shame she got bukkaked to death by Greene, the Elvis henchman, the general who tried to frick the cute waitress. Lots of great stuff.
>Snake Eater
How did Kojimbo get away with that? It's beat for beat Bond. Radiohead's song is whatever. Here's some good rejected Bond themes.
never heard that pet shop boys song, I like it.
>eco-terrorist villains were more interesting
yeah, they should really bring this back. I wonder what villain angle they'll go to moving forward; they've been able to make bond films even when UK and US military was at low public opinion, so we'll see.
btw, the GREATEST BOND SONG OF ALL TIME is probably this one I found out about while taking care of my nephew:
>that slight Bond cord in the background
>better Bondian style in a fricking children's cartoon song than Craig's shit
Makes the sides hurt.
the singer is imitating Bassey so well, damn
>I know I'm in the minority, but I think QoS is the best of the Craig bonds
Disagree but I can respect the take. The jerky editing and unfinished script is just too much to really care for. What I will say is that at least the eco-terrorist villains were more interesting than whatever hack shit they did afterwards. Plus Craig wasn't too old and melon-looking yet.
And no to your music choices. Angela Bassett and Nancy Sinatra shit all over the imitation, "postmodern" videogame and indie shit.
Most based take about Craig era I've ever seen (because it's the same as my own)
>80 years old
T-there is still time for him to save the franchise for the third time, r-right?
The last one is as good as Skyfall imo but Casino Royale is still Craig's best outing. If I remember Craig did No Time to Die because the one before that sucked.
>The last one is as good as Skyfall
So both shit?
I came to make this thread. I watched Casino Royale because of Mads but it sucked. The card game they played wasn’t interesting. It was the worst on screen card game I’ve ever seen. Boring. It sucked.
In America they call it Casino Quarter Pounder With Cheese
Casino > Spectre > Quantum >>> Skyfall >>>>> No Time
The whole era sucked though.
end Casino Royale when Bond tenders his resignation and it becomes nearly flawless
much better to start the next film (in this hypothetical alternate universe) with Vesper stealing the money etc., and Bond chasing her and her associates down
the story could go in any direction with that as a starting point; it wouldn't have to be resolved in the same way as the actual ending of CR
awfully time to be alive
give me a bond film to watch tonight.
>from russia with love
rewatched a couple weeks ago, pure sovl
>the spy who loved me
watched a million times, not tonight
so Cinemaphilecels and Cinemaphileoids, what is the choice of an officer of Her Majesty's Secret Service to watch on the night that comes but once a year?
Moonraker
the worst bond run, tired of pretending otherwise.
why do you have to pretend otherwise
CR and QoS should have been Craig's only Bond films. A reworked Skyfall should have been recast with Fassbender and stay with him for another 3 or 4 films.
I still haven't watched any of the Craig Bond films and I never will. Once they replace him with someone who doesn't have the personality of a wet sponge I will resume watching
Smart move. His films are unironically the worst 5 of the lot.