I'm confused. How exactly did Vault Tec benefit by causing the great war?
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I'm confused. How exactly did Vault Tec benefit by causing the great war?
I'm confused. How exactly did Vault Tec benefit by causing the great war?
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Bethesda is terrified of pissing off china by implying they played any part in the great war because Fallout Shelter is huge there, so easier to just play into the CORPORATIONS BAD angle and ignore any of the MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION and COLD WAR BAD stuff the series also had.
China was never confirmed to have launched the first nuke, they nuked America but it could have been in retaliation.
What logical reason would America have to nuke first given they were kicking chinas ass in the war, and Americans had deep land campaigns within China with the power armor advantage. While China got kicked out of Alaska?
China nuking America first because they’re about to lose makes the most sense
>What logical reason would America have to nuke a country first when they're winning the war against them and have a superior military?!!
lmao
In Fallout's Great War, America has already done the hard part - power armored troops are marching on Beijing
Nuking Japan was preemptive because of what an absolute clusterfrick taking the home islands by force would have been
The last straw was probably Iwo Jima - 20,000 Japs dug in and fighting to the last man forced an American landing party 6x their size to suffer through a withering, month-long assault that left 7,000 dead, 20,000 wounded and a fricking aircraft carrier sunk, and then somebody did the math "Holy FRICK imagine doing this on an island 50x bigger"
they completely washed them out of the game - even that crashed satellite was soviet
No they didn't
The USSR never fell in the Fallout universe, they just became less of a threat and became more neutral to the US.
One of the characters you can play as in Fallout 1 is the granddaughter of a pre-war Soviet diplomat to the US.
>those stats
>those perks
Are the pre made characters a secret challenge mode?
Never said they launched the first nuke, but they played as much of a part in the escalation of the war as the US did.
Tim Cain said so
It was the Mothership Zeta aliens who started WW3 didn't you play Fallout 3?
according to the creator of fallout china shot first because the US were making bio weapons
>https://80.lv/articles/tim-cain-reveals-who-started-the-nuclear-war-in-fallout/
Fallout 2 specifies that China shot first, because power armor finally allowed US forces to gain ground in mainland China. It's unclear if it was a desperate gambit, or pure spite, as the source of information was just a submarine captain.
the phone game from 2015 is HUGE there...still?
homie wut?
They made 'Fallout Shelter Online' which is a gacha'd version of the original Fallout Shelter, but it's specific to the Asian market (China, Korea etc).
They must love Dogmeat
lel
God asia is so cucked by gachashit its insane
What did you expect from bugmen. It's literally their state rationed dopamine hit
i had no idea, how fricking pathetic
i hate asians and their gambling addictions
i do know some people who only knew fallout because of the app game
mobile gaming is a huge market in asia
it's why riot dumped so much in wild rift
bugmen love their slop
the smart and interesting way of writing it would be this
>peace talks are bad for business
>vault tec sabotages the peace talks
>maybe they assassinate the President of the USA because he's a "peace loving commie" (this would be the big secret that Hank discovers)
>this sets off a chain of events that leads to nuclear war
>we still don't know who pulled the trigger though
vault-tec doing it was a scrapped plot from a old planned fallout movie from way back when.
it was as stupid an idea back then as it is now, and i was happy it was burried until now. it does not surprise me even slightly that the hacks of bethesda and Amazon decided to pick that one back up from the trash can
There isn't a single mention to China in the whole 8 episodes. They mention 'a war' and still manage to avoid saying against whom. It's hilarious how hard they suck Chinese wiener
I'm not against capitalist critique at all, but I feel like if you want to critique capitalism but then you're too afraid to namedrop China you have lost the right to do so, just make pro-capitalist propaganda at that point, it'd be more honest.
because season 2 will reveal the black woman was working with enclave
todd howard hates the enclave.
Will we ever see the legion in the series?
nah
they will just focus on ncr, mr house, the boomers and kings
.
no
they have been changed to drumpf magatards
Victor is now xirdemigender with a nonpenisvegana
For some reason I get the impression Todd is a closeted conservative. He called the audience degenerates once in a joking manner and degenerates on Twitter started kvetching about it. Hit dog will holler and all.
We shouldn't, by this point in time Caesar would've been killed by cancer and Lanius would've pushed the whole thing over the edge. If anything we will see a small remnant that's used for a cheap joke.
surely someone who base his entire government system on Rome will not have named a successor
He has a successor, the problem is that his successor is a fricking pro wrestler with zero administrative or diplomatic instincts
HAIL CAESAR
I actually enjoyed this show, i was pleasantly surprised. it's not great but it's much better than i thought
>black woman as bad guy
You smoking crack?
the show tried justifying the woman that killed the people in the vault
so yes
They literally have her deliver the line about dropping the bombs themselves.
Do you even know what crack is? I bet you're thinking about a meth pilo right now. Fricking dumbass zoomer
who doesn't hate the enclave? they're washington D.C. super elite in the nastiest form.
>todd howard hates the enclave.
>always makes sure it's somehow back.
benefit?
Reddit
they can control everything then. at least that was the plan, but they did not expect the ghoul and lucy to team up and against their kin
>they can control everything then
How? The Enclave and the BoS are just as powerful as they are.
vault tec works for the enclave
Fallout 2 literally begins with the Enclave gunning down a group of vault dwellers.
That doesn't go against his post at all, though? Killing a subordinate doesn't mean they weren't your subordinate and random vault dwellers aren't Vault Tec.
the vault dwellers aren't vault tec
don't forget they ran experiments on the inhabitants
They didn't expect the government/army to survive. Why would they?
Because Vault-Tec isn't actually a real company.
They're basically the Fallout equivalent of BlackRock/Vanguard or whatever conspiracy theory boogeyman company.
>Blackrock doesn't exist in real life.
Are normies this schizophrenic and dumb nowadays?
>Fallout equivalent of ...
Where did he say it doesn't exist in real life?
>conspiracy theory boogeyman company.
that's where you implied that, you obvious try-hard moron
dumber
I didn't explain my point that well, my bad.
I added the 'boogeyman' part since BlackRock/Vanguard are primarily focused on investments rather than tangible products (like Vault-Tec).
because they love management so much
they can tell the plebs exactly what to do, and even make vaults into DEI breeding grounds
sounds believable to me
>vault tech nuke everyone to keep the vaults relevant
>everybody dies, nobody to buy vaults
>cant make anymore vaults because everything is destroyed
Wow great plan, why are writers moronic
because they're working for another group who actually benefits from the bombs being dropped
>who actually benefits from the bombs being dropped
how do they benefit?
deep-state glowie shit
they get to kill off their rivals and nuke china, then get to rebuild america without freedoms and shit
that's literally not what i'm saying, they're just using the 'companies bad' as a cover, it's government bad
>trying to explain how a nuclear war happened by the most moronic way possible
Why do this, just make a bunch of factions fighting each other with different unique characters, but nope we got some rehash of fallout 3 plot with extra filler about government/corperate conspiracy and interracial couple main characters nobody asked for
How much do you get per (You)?
a great deal of satisfaction
It's quite simple. The Enclave wants to rebuild America and purge the mutants, and they can't do that if America hasn't been destroyed, and mutants haven't been created, so naturally they needed the war in order to make that happen so they could achieve their goals.
They were going to use the data from the vaults as a resource to keep their own people alive when they fricked off to space (plan later abandoned)
So essentially that scene in the show with Vault Tec banking on the world ending is actually banking on government bureaucracy that changed its mind as soon as the bombs dropped
>corporations bad
Wowwee that hasn't been done before! Frick off
>I heckin love corporations!!
>but not all the billionaire corporations that run the shit I hate?
you homosexuals are fricking moronic
you're not going to become a corporate billionaire
2 digit IQ post
the zombie apocalypse has been done a million times before and I'm equally tired of that
does that mean I'm pro-zombie?
Yes. Corporations that value the share price and social influence to the point of starting a nuclear war are indeed bad, moron.
People as stupid as you don't deserve entertainment. You belong in a coal mine.
MYSTERY homieS
Look, we all know it's the fricking Enclave. Somehow, they will return.
They did return, they’ve shown their base. It’s where the cold fusion boy injected it into his skull. No one but the gamers would know who they are, cause the show just mentions them super briefly
When was this scene set? The Enclave remnants are destroyed in 2240-ish, was it not another flashback / case of cryogenic freezing? They're really trigger-happy with the cryogenics, which is why I ask.
I just sort of naturally assumed that there wouldn't be such a sophisticated Enclave research facility out in the middle of the wasteland in 2290, I honestly didn't even really think about it much.
Must be recent, as all these happened in quick succession:
>put a bounty out on doc’s head with every agency
>let the BOS know
>set up a deal with the shop lady to get doc safe passage to the NCR
Either hostile or sympathetic Enclave agents make sense for all of them, the doc just waking up and people just kind of figuring out he’s got cold fusion would be weird
There was snow and railroads, which rules out nearly everywhere we've seen in the series so far
He must have taken a boat down south given his lack of equipment and supplies so that pretty much rules out anywhere inland. I'd bet good money he's from Seattle (lol Amazon is the Enclave)
They'd have had to freeze the dog too
>handwringin intensified
Will / tv/ embrace it if they mention israel?
this scene is so fricking moronic
house should be against the nukes
sinclair being rep for big mt is moronic and big mt being a big corp sitting there is moronic
Repconn is also moronic, they are a small corp and they got bought up my House
house was the only one who didn't discuss potential vault experiments, and he didn't seem that enthralled by the idea (we don't hear from him after barb announces dropping the bombs themselves)
it's assumed that repconn would have been bought after the meeting
sinclair being there is moronic though
They saw nuclear annihilation as inevitable and so decided to game it in their favour so that they'd be the survivors. The wife character especially was scared as shit about her daughter not surviving the bombs and how she had to work at Vault-Tec to assure her kid got to go in one of the good vaults. Real world billionaires/corporations are doing the same thing with global warming, thinking it's going to happen but instead of using their money to try and stop it, because they believe it's inevitable just like the bombs, they instead try to make as much money as possible in the short term(in the show they sold off vaults to the other big corporations for a quick cash injection to set things up before it was "too late") so that they can buy land and build bunkers to retreat to when megastorms, droughts and food riots become more and more problematic.
works for me
thanks anon I think I can enjoy the series now
>fanfiction
Yikes
>if it isn't explicitly stated directly to the camera by a character then it's fanfiction
I weep for zoomers mental capacities
global warming isnt real, i guess the other anon was saying that
Nobody claimed global warming is real. Only that some people believe it's going to happen and are betting against humanity. Same as some people thought MAD was inevitable.
>MAD
I don't think you understand MAD.
The fact we are here now is proof that MAD works
And yet some people thought it wouldn't, that it was a foolish idea and that something would happen where one nuke is launched(or a radar glitch happens, or the Dead Hand System fails) and it'd trigger the launching of all of them and destroy the world instead of just one country getting nuked once. I don't see how this is a hard concept to grasp. Some people expect the worst.
You just made a bunch of moronic shit up, even if it's the actual plot doesn't make it less moronic
Not a single billionaire has sold his coastal house or is planning to nor do they care about the "climate change". But they acknowledge it provides them immunity and a strong marketing force.
>Not a single billionaire has sold his coastal house
Virtually every billionaire has bought a secured compound in New Zealand, including figures ranging from Gabe Newell and James Cameron to Peter Thiel and Sergey Brin
I cannot be assed to verify your claim but you're committing whataboutsim because you did not like what I say and that's not coherent.
I will not encourage schizophrenic tangents.
My point is not tangential in any way, it is direct
LinkedIn CEO Reid Hoffman estimates that over 50% of billionaires have apocalypse bunkers and compounds
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich
Stop babbling.
You're not as smart as you think you are.
>Not a single billionaire has sold his coastal house
Why the frick would they? They're expecting the whole house of cards to come tumbling down with famines and social upheaval, not a little rise in sea levels that will inconvenience their property portfolio. They got to enjoy the vacation spot while the good times lasted. You've got people buying up land in New Zealand and building doomsday bunkers and compounds and you think they don't believe in global warming?
I bet you also believe Musk gets all his funding for the Boring company and all the other Mars-related shit because the rich people genuinely believe they'll live on Mars, instead of it all just being a front for research into their bunker/compound tech that will allow them to shut themselves off from the world whenever a gang of starving commoners show up or a particularly nasty storm rolls in.
This pic but your underage brain applying in a broad brush stroke to a whole class of people.
>a whole class of people.
No one's talking about a whole class of people, just a subset of really rich people that are planning for the worst. Learn how to fricking read instead of just making personal attacks against everyone.
>a vault
>for global warming
you gotta go back
The US was on the brink of collapse before the Great War. People were rioting, there were curfews, the national guard was deployed to help police in many cities. Guns were made illegal and people manufactured homemade guns.
Vault-Tec was the only corporation who could directly ensure their own survival, but only in a nuclear war.
In the inevitable revolution, they'd get their heads ripped off by a militia and that would be the end of Vault-Tec.
So they chose to have a contingency plan to start a nuclear war themselves if all else fails. Turns out China did launch the nukes, catching Vault-Tec off guard, but it was a win-win situation anyways.
>The US was on the brink of collapse before the Great War. People were rioting, there were curfews, the national guard was deployed to help police in many cities. Guns were made illegal and people manufactured homemade guns.
ah that would've been interesting to see
>Why would they?
by doing exactly what they did IRL, minus the actual nuclear war of course
>ah that would've been interesting to see
Would've been interesting to see in the show for sure. The show gives us the pre-war US from an elite viewpoint, just like Fallout 4's pre-war intro, where Nate and Nora live in probably the nicest location possible around those parts. There's a bit of the societal unrest shown and talked about in Fallout 4's intro movie.
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Fallout 4 also had some abandoned National Guard posts and stuff that shed some light on what was going on.
>So they chose to have a contingency plan to start a nuclear war
you literally cannot think of anything more stupid than that
Wow! That makes a lot of sense. I only wish they actually put any of that in the show! Wouldn't that have been nice!
At least it wasn't fricking aliens this time.
Bravo Todd Howard!
And the guy playing House really lacked the gravitas and he'll probably be playing a big role next series with that awful voice. Unfortunate!
Are aliens canon as well in the Fallout universe?
I thought it couldn't get more moronic when tiny robots like Valentine from Fallout 4 can be sapient with intentionality or that a bunch of big computers had that as well, yea your ordinary computer, not even a sci-fi positronic brain or anything.
Fallout 3 DLC Mothership Zeta was all about being teleported onto an alien ship and finding out they triggered the apocalypse.
This garbage is irremediable.
I prefer to write off that DLC as brain damaged caused by having a lobotomy at Point Lookout.
There's a space ship in fallout 1
yes it was literally aliens
Climate change your neck leftards.
I honestly can't believe how slowpoked this guy ITT is
The "billionaire apocalypse plans" are neither hidden or controversial anymore, for frick's sake a bunch more of them got published during the Sam Bankman Fried trial
Love the view of a guy just lying down and chilling on the couch with a drink in his hand while another guy is pacing around in a panic.
i wish i was rich enough to live in an underground bunker
as a schizoid it sounds super comfy
>Atlas Shelter System's most popular offering, the 10x50 "Utah" model fallout shelter, if installed as recommended under two feet of reinforced concrete and nine feet of packed earth, will filter 99.99975% of gamma radiation and can withstand an overpressure wave of 45PSI. It's estimated that a family sheltered inside would survive a one megaton blast, 1.5 miles away, without serious long-term health risks.
>Prices start at $35,000 but the typical all-in, including accessories, permits and installation is about $120,000
if it was (near) self-sufficient with some hydroponics for food that'd be awesome
why on earth would you go for one of those bulky leathers couches? Imagine having to sit in that shit while in a sweltering bunker.
Most of those bunkers are just a scam that wouldn't actually protect you, since if [it] actually happens, it's not like the customer is going to try and get their money back.
Cheapest urinal around!
Thousands of people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki survived just because they were in regular subway tunnels
Do you think the bombs we have today are only as powerful as the ones dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
They are cleaner at least.
>cleaner
?
NTA but even by the second gen nuclear weapons were being revised to cause less radiation and shorter duration fallout, so that in theory you could incinerate a hundred square miles and burn millions of people to a crisp and then move in with brooms next week
The sole exception to this concept were the Soviet cobalt bombs, designed to intentionally make anything they contact uninhabitable for millennia because Russians are jerkoffs like that
>The sole exception to this concept were the Soviet cobalt bombs, designed to intentionally make anything they contact uninhabitable for millennia
they are cartoonish evil sometimes
they literally made graveyards full of cattle dead from all kinds of transmitted shit so if they get shit pushed in on land they will dig/blow them up for scorched earth policy, did it frick up their land? yes it did, it also killed people in villages till there is no villages left close to those places, funniest part? russia boomers aka KGBBlack folk didnt learn shit and repeated it in red forest like 2 years ago, never doubt soviet/commie oldfricks being self harming and evil.
>because Russians are jerkoffs like that
the US also planned crazy doomsday weapons which would salt the Earth. Probably to ensure retaliatory strikes could not be avoided.
Basically, even madder MAD.
Less fallout, because more of the material is fissioned, causing a bigger boom instead of most of it just being spread over the area.
fallout universe is set with 50's technology.
homie they have pocket-sized fusion cores and portable mini-nukes launched like a grenade. There's no reason to believe they don't have Tsar Bomba sized bombs as well.
Not by the 2070s it wasn't. The moment transistors were developed a quantum leap in technological progress ensured which is why robots in FO use regular circuit boards and ZAX CPUs are capable of running AIs. One of the opening cinematic has Ospreys, and notes in NV indicate the US had Minuteman XI missiles which had to be running on microcomputers.
nuh uh
>ASS
They're not really planning on living full-time in the bunkers. They'll come out with armed guards whenever the weather permits and there isn't a danger of being swarmed by refugees or local peasants. If they actually believed they'd be living 24/7 in bunkers then they'd just kill themselves instead, and their plans would be way harder because they couldn't grow supplementary food on the surface.
Nobody's actually expecting the world to become uninhabitable, more like a less dystopian version of onions green. Lots of poor people dying from heatstroke while working in the day, harvests failing and causing massive famines, lots of refugees from equatorial countries that are becoming too hot and can't handle the power production needed for everyone's ACs, and the rich people needing to have a super-secure base to hide in when the mob comes looking for someone to stick in the guillotine.
OOPS... hangar go boom. (side panel falls off before flight because of diversity)
>wut do?
>going full-blown schizo rage because someone mentioned that some people believe in global warming and are making plans to survive it
Sad! Many such cases!
Don't even give him that, because the Great Hunkering isn't "just" about global warming
>maybe there'll be a limited nuclear exchange
>maybe there'll be water table/crop collapse
>maybe there'll be an unprecedented financial cataclysm (AI is more likely to cause this than to actually SkyNet us)
>maybe some autistic commie like AOC will become President and there'll be shooting in the streets of every financial district
For frick's sake Jeff Bezos has invested multiple billion dollars into making Elysium a documentary (I'm assuming he's going to assassinate Matt Damon just to be sure)
They explain in show.
it's kind of weird where at a certain point they go from just being a company stereotypically interested in money and profits, to having idealogical motivations and a desire to control the world.
basically they figure that if the war happens they are one of the very few only entities which will survive to the new world after, so they can dominate it and become the new rulers. operating on the logic that, they'd rather be sitting on the throne and ruling over a ruined world, than just being a powerful corporation in the pre-war.
it's not the worst concept to portray but it isn't done sensibly, it isn't explained or shown when or why Vault-tec makes the major leap in logic and priorities from money, to power and control.
And why would all these other CEOs (especially House - who nearly died trying to save Vegas) just agree to it?
because they also get a chance to control the new world and have power, same deal, you can just be a business magnate pre-war , or you can be a potential ruler of the world post-war.
The series doesn't do House *that* dirty (yet)
All we've seen of the big meeting is that he was sitting in on it and he was the most cynical and incredulous person there, while everyone else at the table was already circlejerking their fantasies about how they were going to stuff 1,000 people into 500 bunks or inject illegal immigrants with FEV
It seems very likely that he sat through that shit stonefaced and quietly excused himself to frantically set the Vegas fortification into place because it's not like he was going to be able to actually stop them.
The show isn't going to be able to resist going full supervillain with him
in a post-apocalyptic world where everyone has to be terrible to each other in order to survive, it seems like such a moronic idea to have any supervillains at all. I hope they don't go that path, give everyone a strong justification for what they do, make them believe it and give the audience insight into why they believe that and how it makes sense on some level.
Having people just be evil bad guys in Fallout is such a boring way to tell a story. Obviously you need factions that are worse than others but the world is already fricked, nobody is smoking the peace pipe, just embrace everyone having to be bad on some level.
Yeah it's not like he'd be moronic enough to start sperging out at the meeting, telling them they're insane and he'll tell the world. He's smart enough to know he'd end up dead from autoerotic asphyxiation in a duffle bag falling out of a window if he seemed to be against them.
Huh on one side, I love you guys
You have your heart in the right place, and I love that you reconcile those small details and obersvations of character
On the other hand, you may be too pure for this world
Uh. Is that a porn star?
>Big MT at the meeting
the frick? Isn't Big MT an Intention by Obsidian?
Not sure about House but the others probably just figured that MAD was inevitable. This is a world where people are expecting the bombs to fall to such a degree that Vault-Tec became one of the biggest companies in the world. Why would the rich guys making money from military applications not believe the same thing? Why back a losing horse instead of grasping at the chance of waking up from hibernation to a brand new world where The Bomb isn't inevitable any more?
>the black woman is the evil person that suggested blowing up the world
>this is somehow woke to Cinemaphile
more like uhhh based
It's to pretend black women are smart and have agency when they're really just boorish and moronic. Incredibly Woke.
Umm actually it’s racist to even imply that black people can do bad things you nazi
it would turn out she did it because of bad wypipo and was secretly trying to stop it.
I once saw a post on here crying about how the woke writers made the bad guy a white guy, in a period movie taking place in England. There wasn't a black person in the whole thing and the MC wasn't a woman either.
this homie kept the fricking seek bar in his fricking webm
Amazon spent a billion dollars on bestiality porn
that doesn't change the fact that this homie is so fricking braindead moronic that he kep the seek bar in his webm
Go ahead and make one without it then
>Uh, I could but I won't
Sure you could
jfc you're literally moronic holy shit
there are thousands of webms on Cinemaphile without a fricking seek bar in the fricking webm
I made this one for peacewalker
>I made this one
You saved it from somewhere else KEK. That's not the clip we're discussing. You're over here calling people moronic for not doing something that you can't do either
ahh it's time for the Cinemaphile classic
>I'M PRETENDING TO BE moronic BECAUSE IT'S FUNNY GUYS
you're not fricking pretending you're literally fricking moronic and put a fricking seek bar in a fricking webm
ah, it's Captain China
>uuuh please make me a webm
No, you'll have to keep your moronic webm.
>Guys I could TOTALLY do better but uh I have to go to dinner right now I'll be back later and you'll see that I could've done this thing if no one was watching and no I am not moronic
sure
>Subtitles now missing
Fail
here you go
i chose comic sans especially for you!
Based! Nice work anon keep it up, I'll make sure everyone gets to see your work
SPOILER THAT SHIT YOU MF
In the next scene she tells him she's pregnant and they break up
Like halfway into the show she out right asks him if he wants to frick. She also explains sex to him because apparently the BOS are a bunch of fricking weirdos who don't know what sex is, despite there being a tiny thin bird like Puerto Rican or w.e in their ranks. Plenty of women,, actually. Max just thinks its gross when his wiener goes pop and makes a mess. I wish I were making it up. That wasn't even a bad spoiler.
>actually falling for his reverse psychology gambit to have a better webm made for him
You're letting a guy dumb enough to leave the seek bar in his webm manipulate you, man. Do better.
>Get called out
>Be humiliated
>Keep digging the hole deeper
Amazon isn't sending its best
Embarrassing
If they had any shame, they wouldn't be shilling diversity slop for ten cents per post
That doesn't make you less of a moron. Pirating the episode and making a webm isn't difficult.
See
>thread coalescing around discussion of interesting topic related to show/game
>one c**t has to carry on about "woke" over and over again as if it didn't become boring in 2018
pls let this cultural phase die soon
Where do I get this shirt Cinemaphile?
Who caused the war is literally not the point. It honestly couldn't matter any less to the moral and theme of the games. The games are about humanities never ending struggle for domination and control. Everyone is guilty and everyone is responsible. Who starts a nuclear war is irrelevant because it ends the same. Everyone loses.
?
Pretty much like Umbrella.
>moron gets called out for being a moron
>proceeds to sperg out
classic 4dano
Amazon shills BTFO
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Basically the internet has poised morons to believe that institutions are never good and everything must be a conspiracy theory. This is somehow a more believable plot to the average zoomer than it just being a legitimate war
>After ten years of cousin stuff I'm finally ready for the real thing
What the frick did she mean by this
Fricking your cousin isn't as big a deal when your all sealed inside an elaborate tin can. So long as you don't make moron babies, that is
If you lock up hundreds of folks in underground vaults for a couple centuries weird stuff is going to start happening.
one of the only parts of the show that felt realistically grounded yet was also unusual enough to feel post-apocalyptic at the same time. other than that it was all annoying meta-quirky shit or outright sci-fi fantasy.
ENTER
So many people are defending the show by saying
>Well, they MIGHT include this detail that would make it make sense
>Well, if you read the Fallout Bible you'd actually know that and then they ignore that Shady Sands moved 400 miles south
It's goofy
>other than that it was all annoying meta-quirky shit or outright sci-fi fantasy.
What the frick did you expect from Fallout?
Why is the vault so diverse after 200 years? Shouldn’t they all be beige looking? I also remember it being odd that home vault in fallout 3 had a black guy. Made no sense.
>leave for a couple days
>still talking about this shit show
Jews always benefit from destroying white civilisation
The issue is that their motivation is explicitly "profit" and "winning the great game of capitalism" with no further
What the show needed was a character who embodies a strongly-held belief that the only way to truly "win" capitalism is to accumulate so much profit that you effectively possess infinite capital relative to your competitors. The purpose of Vault-Tec's plan is that it's ironically much more efficient to destroy all of your competitors' resources in a global nuclear holocaust that only V-T prepares for than it is to out-compete them while civilization still stands. By initiating the Great War, they're redefining the rules of global geopolitics in such a way that they have a unique competitive advantage. You can't put a price on wiping the slate clean.
This would have actually been a nice thematic parallel >implying this show has actual themes to Moldaver's cold fusion MacGuffin, because both are sources of "infinite power": one is for the elite, one is for the people.
You could have had the V-T executive demonstrate this idea by having, say, House and Sinclair compare their net worth because the two of them obviously have a petty, competitive relationship. As their petty contest is getting heated, the V-T executive pulls out a single US dollar, places it face up on table, and asks who at the table has the most power. It doesn't matter many billions more dollars House commands than Sinclair, 1 to nothing is an infinitely larger competitive advantage than $100b to $50b, especially in a post-apocalyptic wasteland where your only competitors are the Enclave and LARPing hoarders whose power depends entirely on scavenging scraps of pre-war technology.
But we didn't get a good character behind this concept - we got Barb and Bud. I'm not defending this plot twist, I think it's fundamentally moronic. It comes across as evil capitalists wringing their hands at the promise of profit and human suffering with no deeper motivation.
no further elaboration*
I can sort of understand the idea behind Vault-Tec starting the war, but I think it was a weird decision to play half of it for laughs. Like the black lady is obviously the half that's playing it straight, but then you have Bud, who's basically the guy from The Graduate who goes
>Plastics!
but with "management". I get it, it's supposed to be funny how blithe he is about the prospect of blowing up the world so he can flex his bachelor's degree in business administration, but that's still a big decision from a worldbuilding perspective and it's really moronic.
Here's a brainlet explaination.
>be a megacorporation that specializes in making massive nuclear shelters
>there's a big conflict going on which might result in a nuclear war that increases demand for your product
>you and other friendly military megacorpos are making tons of profit from the war
>suddenly your country and the enemy are doing peace talks which might result in the conflict deescalating, which means you and your friends are going to stop making bank
>meet up with your friends and arrange a conspiracy where you plan to:
>freeze yourself in cryochambers
>wipe out the entire world
>wait out 300 years until the radiation stops
>use the 100+ vaults as experiments to find out which is the most optimal way to rule the new society
>unfreeze yourself along with your minions from other vaults and go out to the presumably empty surface
>rebuild the world using the best tools out there and apply a government system that came out as the most optimal from the vault experiments
>congratulations, you've advanced from a boss of a corporation to the ruler of the new world
The only problem is that this whole idea seems to be a plot hole because of, ekhm, the entire plot of Fallout 2, parts of 3 and the fricking Enclave but whatever, maybe they'll fix it or explain in season 2
>this whole idea seems to be a plot hole because of, ekhm, the entire plot of Fallout 2, parts of 3 and the fricking Enclave
What do you mean by this?
But also: Black person they ARE the Enclave. Wealthy industrialists and additional shadowy figures who 100% represent the deep state. That was a meeting of the Enclave we saw.
Except that would make their motivation moronic if they purposefully engineered the apocalypse rather than zealously trying to restore America back to the pre-war state, including killing everything they perceived as infected by the FEV.
Why?
Did you even play FO2?
Yes. Why?
Sure but why does that not gel with what Vault Tec is doing, Lucy states multiple times that her vault is dedicated to restoring the United States
Why would a pre war group dedicated to maintaining america blow it the frick up to begin with? They gained nothing but more trouble than it was worth.
Because from a government perspective you can preserve America in the vaults and then restore it in a world where there are no Chinese or Russians. And from a corporate perspective you can sleep for a few hundred years and then wake up in a world where you have sole access to all the world's resources and the opportunity to shape a captive market to your whim.
Except america was winning all the wars it fought so it had no real reason to nuke the competition. It had no reason to purposefully weaken themselves on the gamble maybe everyone else won't survive. It's fricking stupid.
In a world where everyone has nukes there's no such thing as "winning all the wars", everyone's going to have their Samson option. Best case scenario is driving the Chinese out of Alaska and then waiting in a world full of enemies of the US for the next conflict and hoping it doesn't result in anyone causing the uncontrolled end of the world.
From what we've seen in new vegas other countries probably still have tons of nukes laying around. There's zero reason to ever believe that'd be the end. All they did is draw out the struggle where by the time they retook america china or russia would have stabilized and who knows what else would pop up and be a threat. They basically removed all the rules and guaranteed nothing but destroying themselves for the foreseeable future.
What it comes down to is realizing that the nuclear holocaust is inevitable and it can either happen on your terms or someone else's. If you can control it and prepare for it you have the best chance of surviving it. OK, maybe the Chinese and the Russians could have stabilised more quickly than the US. But it's unlikely, because the US are the ones that made it happen, they knew then when and where. And there's nothing in any of the games to suggest that the Chinese or the Russians have made any kind of meaningful comeback. Unless they've got their own vault program ready on the same schedule or earlier as the American one then they're just raiders and mutants and nothing else.
damn if only literally any of this was written into the show in an intelligent way, instead of
>Fun idea. There's a lot of earning potential in the end of the world... [twirls mustache]
>we'll drop the bomb ourselves to guarantee results
it was implied
>implied
>probably
>probably
>inferred
lmao
Yeah they should have had someone turn directly to the camera and read out exactly what was going on to make it more accessible for morons and children
>I can win a nuclear war by starting a nuclear war and destroy myself in it
This is how moronic you sound now shill protecting this piece of shit of a show
But I don't destroy myself. I pack the most important parts of myself away for safe keeping and then destroy everything else. What part of this are you having the most difficulty with.
>Uh some of the vaults didn't work
>there are still people alive on the surface
You can only work with the projections you have.
If you are taking in terms of countries then the US have destroyed itself. Which is why le bad corporation is such a moronic plot point that only trooned out writers at Amazon could come up with. They would have made a more sensible story if these people were part of a death cult and just wanted everyone else and only elites like them would remain
>the US have destroyed itself.
Except IN THE VAULTS. Where the Vaulters still live in American ways. And are dedicated to RESTORING AMERICA, as mentioned on multiple occasions by the main character of the show.
Except most of the vaults didnt bother with that crap and were just shitty experiments that were counter productive to trying to recreate america. If that was the goal they fricked up bad. It's more like just shitty writing they didnt think through.
There are hundreds of vaults. They planned for a thousand.
And 9/10ths of what we see are not functional to what you're claiming.
>Reeeeee the show has mentioned this
Fricking moronic pajeet shills. What are they restoring america FROM? Every fallout game has established that the pre war America is idyllic techno utopia until the resources begin to dwindle.
God it's just around and around and around in fricking circles with you MORONS. They are restoring America to the way it was before the war after having cleansed the world of threats to the way it was. I'm fricking done, I'm out. Wallow in your idiocy and don't watch the show if you don't want to you fricking homosexuals, it's a 6.5/10 but even still you don't fricking deserve it
You're the fricking moron going in circles and deflecting on all our points. Fricking audacity you homosexual brownoid.
Did you read the fricking thread. It was about how stupid it is for vault tec to be implicated in purposefully causing the waras a conspiracy from which according to you they have to "restore america" from
All US needed to do was to give the CCP the boot and replace it with Taiwan's government like its IRL contingency plan. Chinese and the rest of the world would suck its dick the moment it revealed cold fusion+the matter to energy Star Trek-style replicators used in Dead Money.
>just take out the Chinese government
>in a world teetering on the brink of nuclear annihilation
Because restoring America to pre-war and killing muties is the Enclave's stated motivation even in the Bethesda games
Enclave guys were probably similar to House in that they didn't want to set the world on fire (after all, they were already winning against China and if push came to shove they could just go full police state on dissidents) but either didn't have the capital to stop the plot, or equally likely they tried to stop Vault-Tec from nuking everyone with force, prompting Vault-Tec to go nuclear in response.
Their relationship with the vaults in 2 is antagonistic.
You obviously haven't played Fallout 2
did the Civil Rights Act of 1965 happen in this universe?
None of this would have ever happened if the state was in full control of industry. Such states never engage in war, ruinous or otherwise.
>capitalism is the entire reason the world is an inhospitable shithole
>brought to you by amazon and microsoft
>the only two companies that can become the big monopoly like Robco and Vault Tec IRL
If you want everyone to need your product then you’ve gotta give them a reason. Pretty unrealistic though since we now know you can get the same result by just hoarding toilet paper and then lying about the end of the world.
>kill 99% of the consumer base
>kill 99% of all stockholders
>survivors are all now company overhead and liabilities you're babysitting
>for three hundred fricking years
>and rebuilding the entire planet is also on the wrong side of the accounting balance sheet
It's not quite as cringe as when they talk about guns, the military or AI, but holy frick leftists writers are such total morons about economics. How does a wacky comedy like "Silicon Valley" understand money better than one of the mighty Nolan brothers? That fricker literally thought money is kept on pallets at the bank in TDK.
You're both right and wrong.
That's why Bud talks about "time."
If Vault-tec can survive an economic downturn that lasts hundreds of years when none of their competitors can, then in the scale of millennia, they profit, even in the very short term, they take losses.
It's an absolutely deranged way of thinking, and that's the point; runaway corporatism's is just off the rails.
>It's an absolutely deranged way of thinking, and that's the point; runaway corporatism's is just off the rails.
There's no "point" because no company or business entity thinks that way. Untenable long term, silly plans are almost entirely the province of deluded ideologues like Marx and Hitler, not business schools. Nolan is just projecting that silliness onto capitalism like his boring hippie compatriot, James Cameron.
It’s quite clear that a group of execs with like minded thinking wanted this to happen, just like today with banker israelites. Not unreasonable. Tribalism is always at play.
>If I kill my customers and workers along with my competitors, I win
Society will rebuild, and when it does you will have no competition.
>China and Russia could not build their own vaults
Amazon really are not sending their best
Would you trust a chink made Vault?
Would you trust amerimutt made?
Mothership Zeta shows China from space. There ain't no protecting yourself from Uncle Sam's undivided attention.
I guess I wasn't the only one to notice that
I remember reading somewhere that the glow is actually a lighting issue with the earth model and not actually intentional though
Yes, you do. Obviously the market is smaller now but you have the ultimate monopoly.
Instead of a larger market in the form of a cartel. If the big bad corps managed to pull this off you don't think they have already had near monopoly over the world already? Are you unironcially moronic?
>If the big bad corps managed to pull this off you don't think they have already had near monopoly over the world already?
Fricking how? How are the phenomena related? They're American companies working together, how does that relate to international compeition?
The international market is also destroyed
But all their shit is still their. Uranium, lithium, magnesium. You can just go and take it. For free.
To do what? They have no value if they are not used to in production for their customers to buy and profit from
Why do anything? Why does a corporation want money? Why do stakeholders want money? Because money is a placeholder for stuff and power. They can now bypass the money and just get the stuff and the power.
They already had that ability before the fricking war. Instead they nuked 9/10th of the world to have complete control over a tenth they already had before the war.
It makes sense if the elites were all israelites but that would be anti semitic since that’s reality today.
It does make sense to the ~~*makers*~~ of the show. Pure projection
Power means controlling people. There is no power when there is no one left to rule over. Stuff has no value without scarcity, which requires other people existing to want them and work for them, using money as a medium to trade their labour. I am convinced only morons and shills could actually like this show
>There is no power when there is no one left to rule over.
that's why you keep the people in the vaults
As opposed to ruling over much more people if vault tec didn't destroy the world? It would make sense if vault tec was actually a death cult. They should have gone with that instead
But you can't rule over them because ex. the Chinese are ruling over them and the Russians are ruling over them. And ant any moment they might nuke everyone.
They rule over less people after the war than pre war because everyone else was dead. It only makes sense if vault tec were ~~*cultists*~~ and want to rule over a smaller but racially pure race of vault dwellers
Immediately after yes, but people make more people, hence the obvious cultural significance of being fertile in Lucy's vault. They're playing a long game, eventually there'll be millions of people living in a world where the corporations that participated in the conspiracy are the only game in town
>Immediately after yes
it has been 200 years.
Despite being the guy who made beavis and fricking butthead Mike Judge is a really smart and aware guy.
Sure but they inherit all the resources of the entire planet. Because everyone is too dead to make use of them. And all their labour will work for room and board.
see
but amazon is moronic
What's wrong with this """"""""""fanbase""""""""""
Stupid homosexual, if he cant handle criticism he should just shut the frick up
>threatening someone and their family
>criticism
What third world country are you from?
>has a husband
Nah he deserves all he cops
yeah, it's moronic. they're incentivized to keep the idea of imminent war high, but the idea of actually starting it is cartoony. i'm guessing season 2 will establish that they want to take over the world so the plan is to just wipe the slate clean with the bombs, use the vaults to run experiments and indoctrinate people, and then eventually they release everyone from the vaults, including themselves, to rule the world with their superior technology and indoctrinated slaves. this is dumb but idk what other explanation there could be
honestly the idea of the vaults being wacky experiments was fun from a gameplay/lore perspective, but never made any fricking sense. most of the vaults we've seen just fail and idk what the point of the experiments are even supposed to be if they can't do anything with that data due to the apocalypse.
>but never made any fricking sense.
This always lead me to believe vault tech never really intended for their use and it was always a big scam on the government. No one ever really expects or wants a nuclear war. Its why the show's plot is so fricking dumb.
CAPITALISM... LE BAD!
if you look at season 1 through a wide lens it's really fricking funny.
>season begins with vault-tec (capitalists) and their vault dwellers as the good (but misguided) guys
>and moldaver (communist) as a murderer and kidnapper who destroys the good guys' way of life
and then by end it's nonsensically inverted
>the capitalists are actually so fricking evil that they pitched the idea of destroying the world for profit, and Lucy's dad is a mass murderer
>communist was actually an antihero fighting the evil capitalists so she could LITERALLY give power to the people
very subtle, Amazon
Sim-City natural disaster.
Unleash Godzilla and tornadoes and earthquakes and you bulldoze the wreckage and build over it. Completely controlling who, where, what lives, works, and plays in the new order you have just constructed. You now control everything down to the air they breathe and whether it’s filtered and clean or radiated and poisonous.
>anon discovers why the cold war didn't end in MAD
they saw nuclear war was on the horizon and inevitable
they'd rather be in control, cause the war rather than be caught off guard by it and not be prepared and have all their assets in place.
plus they get to create their own versions of utopia in the process
it makes perfect sense if you're an insane super villain with billions of dollars
Is the idea of destroying everything to create a clean slate for a shadow government/mysteryhomies to maintain control of the remnants and their growth that farfetched?
Have not watched the show
It's basically the Forerunners plot of Halo, the {galaxy}[world] is full of {Flood}[Chinamen] so we'll preserve as many {various species}[red-blood patriotic Americans] as we can in {Shield Worlds}[Vaults] and then wipe the {galaxy}[world] clean with {Haloes}[nukes].
They even share the le tweest of it going wrong because not everyone who was supposed to die did.
I mean if anything the end result of the plan is gommunism. The Vaults are already collectivist with no concept of currency, when everyone comes out they'll be benevolently ruled over by a harmonious union of corporation and state.
>We here at Vault-Tec believe that the best way to win the great game of capitalism is to wipe the slate clean and rebuild a unified America in our image
>We will bring an end to petty factionalism by bringing an end to factions, as our executive assistant MacLean put it so well
>That's why we have invited you here today: CEOs who can't even say "hello" to each other without bickering about how much money you do or don't make
What did Vault-Tec and their mystery homie behind the glass mean by this?
I want to be really harsh and call him a shit actor, but I bet you the conditions he was working under sucked ass. He prolly had 6 different feminist assistants telling him what to do and some homosexual director that was too afraid of black people to tell him to do another take.
He also has some pretty shit writing to deal with.
I've never felt so negatively about how a character is written that I feel bad for the actor and want to watch other roles he's played to see how short the stick he drew is. Maximus is so dumb that the only logical conclusion is to assume it was intentional as a metacommentary on Fallout character builds, and he has 1 INT and 1 CHA.
They literally show Coop's wife getting a message on her Pipboy after which she looks up at the mystery homie and THEN she drops the bomb on the room.
So who is she working for?
My favorite YouTuber explains all of this in his new video. He goes really deep into Fallout lore.
Oy Vey better post some e celeb.SHUT IT DOWN
>e-celeb
>implying
oh no no no NO
sidebar: did I pause this in time to avoid giving anon a view?
Fallout was never supposed to be realistic in it's portrayal of the bombs, radiation, etc. It's inspired by 50s pulp fiction and B movies.
Even its unrealistic aspects though were explained by the FEV, at least initially.
>My favorite YouTuber
is a moron
Nic is my favorite YouTuber also, he clearly has a ton of exposure to 50s pulp and B Movies, considering that he's probably the leading science-fiction writer of his generation, and he's not a big fan of how Fallout mutilates the excitement, fun, and competent writing of 50s B movies.
This is probably my favorite video about Fallout ever made, it answered all my questions. I was wondering about so many details of the Fallout lore, but this video dismisses all of them as "Wow, Fallout sure is dumb!" and now I don't even care about it anymore
buy an ad, nic
Why would I buy an ad for my favorite YouTuber?
The idea was to wipe out all their competition and then take over the world after waiting it out in the vaults. It's not the smartest plan but that's the logic they ran with.
That said, the show never says who dropped the first bomb. We only see that Vault-Tec was thinking about it, and there are a couple points that suggest it wasn't them.
A: Barb didn't have her daughter with her when the bombs fell. Had she known the timing she would have certainly already been safe in a vault with her daughter.
B: Mr. House is skeptical of the plan during the meeting, and we know from FONV that his timing was off in protecting Vegas. At the very least, House went against Vault-Tec's plan in secret.
Ultimately we're not supposed to know who exactly dropped the first bomb. Now we can just add Vault-Tec to the list of possible instigators.
>The details are trivial and pointless, the reasons, as always, purely human ones.
>If I keep repeating soemthing moronic it will be true
At this point it would actually make more sense for vault to be a white supremacist organization bent on cleansing pre war America racially
I mean that's kind of what the Enclave is.
The Enclave only had a reason to do that only after the world was destroyed and everyone but them are mutated to some degree. They had no reason to do so pre war. They had reasons to prepare of the chance of a global nuclear war
If you deep dive on the games, it was aliens that started the nuclear war.
>B: Mr. House is skeptical of the plan during the meeting, and we know from FONV that his timing was off in protecting Vegas. At the very least, House went against Vault-Tec's plan in secret.
I thought about this too. Just further proof to me that the autists aren't even good at knowing lore.
why would vault tec drop the bomb in california instead of just nuking china and setting off the chain reaction?
are you serious?
because... uh... capitalism is le bad or something...
He's so cool, bros.
if you played the games you're asking for spoilers
so from the video games here's the spoiler
Aliens created cault tec to wipe out humanity and you get to take out their ships