People have kids mostly to (subconsciously) mitigate death anxiety. Having offspring lets you believe that "a part of me will go on after I'm dead" which makes the years spent waiting to die feel a little less empty. That's it.
except humans have free will that they can use to completely go against their biological programming, even if we've been evolutionarily streamlined to make babies for thousands of years there are people who never have sex then kill themselves, how does that play into the big picture of things
Life is pointless, cruel and painful. It's an utter nightmare on all counts. The only good thing about it is fantasy and fiction. People just didn't have the means before but now they'd rather just spend their days in a bubble of fiction which gives them positive stimuli than live out in misery due to heckin' morals and le society and some fugazzi sense of obligation to others. Society is just one person roping in the other person into wasting away for nothing.
Sure but admitting to that is ultimately just as meaningless a gesture of vanity as any account society uses to justify its own existence. Camus was right, the only real philosophical question is, "Should I kill myself, or have a cup of coffee?" But in the end, one needs more courage to live than to kill himself.
The universe is indifferent and suicide is the easiest/most logical course of action. Choosing to live anyway IS an act of courage in light of those facts.
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Concepts like courage are complete phantasms of our abnormal consciousnesses. Our ideas have no bearing on physical reality.
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So?
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So, as such, courage doesn't exist at all and I wouldn't judge anyone for wanting out of this nightmare of a life and embrace non-existence.
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It's true. Why is it so reviled for a person to opt out of their life? Why does it get you all worked up? Here I am, wasting away while my cells die off as I type this, replying to some moron who replies with a dumb picture like that.
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>Why don't people care when I tell them nothing matters?!
Because if you're right, why should they?
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They do care, they always have vile reactions to it.
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The real answer is most people aren't actually depressed and are able to feel happiness every day. That's obviously not the case for you or most ITT but it is true for them. If you were happy, you wouldn't be thinking it through this hard.
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>muh happiness
What juvenile fricking thinking.
What would make it not grim? What kind of "end" or goal could you possibly conceptualize that would make things worth it in your eyes?
Immortality would be a good place to start.
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What purpose does immortality serve if there's nothing meaningful to be sought in life?
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After reading Benatar I believe that negative ethical people are the only ones who deserve to live and are brave in doing so. The rest are cowardly b***hes who should commit suicide (I include myself among them)
Natures design is for every species to complete with one another for survival. The strong procreate to pass on their genes while the weak die off.
The goal is to create stronger generations that will evolve over a long period of time to adapt to their environment.
However, since people have made living easier with fewer things to kill us, we are allowing the weak to thrive to pass on their weak genes, creating weaker people.
There is no end, it's a process that propagates itself. You can either find meaning/enjoyment in the process itself or you can wail against it, but there's really no recourse other than to have a nice day.
Alright go back to coping how it’s a “choice” that you’ll never have kids. I’m happy to breed and spread my beliefs while your lineage dies out. Cheers!
>I’m happy to breed and spread my beliefs while your lineage dies out.
You can probably spread your genes effectively but religion is on the decline and communities with high TFR due to their belief systems (quiverfulls for example) have very low retention rates. Your genes may spread, but your beliefs realistically will not, at least past one generation.
>realistically
“Realistically” the decadent, collapsing system we inhabit is going to die before my beliefs. This thread is already a good enough demonstration of why yours won’t survive, people they aren’t life giving or creative. They encourage paralysis and extinction, ethnic replacement in ones homeland, and myopic hedonism that doesn’t look forward to a future beyond itself. That kind of shit doesn’t create any permanence and doesn’t last because it literally cannot. The state media will continue desperately shilling your beliefs for a time, only to realise the native inhabitants of its nation won’t find any reason to continue as they’re quickly replaced. The soviet union attempted to enforce atheism at state level and the country collapsed and had to backpedal on it. Once people, white people, get their shit together, they will drop atheism because it isn’t useful. That’s nature.
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Good video by an anthropologist on this
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>Once people, white people, get their shit together, they will drop atheism because it isn’t useful.
That's exactly why that won't work. Religion is useful, absolutely, but that isn't why people believe in it. The belief systems of a religion and the useful behaviors it teaches are both just functions to improve its memetic fitness. Both are needed for the religion to survive at scale. It's the former function that's failing, not the latter.
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You aren’t getting what i’m saying. Belief is use, infact it is biologically the foundation of belief, things that are of use to us. The only reason people ask questions about why we are here, where we are going etc is because ingrained in it all is the ego desire to find things of use for itself. I want to know why the universe began for what it means for me, this nonsense about knowledge for its own sake is pure theology and abstraction. What gives people a reason to live is what they believe in, because axiomatically that is how your brain works, it needs to fabricate some set of elemental rules in order to perform any operation in the world. Atheism has been a disaster for the white west, it statistically correlates with mass immigration, leftism, homosexual/ degenerate hedonism spread publicly. It is a biological suicide mechanism. When its adherents fade away, those left won’t be impartial or ambivalent to these questions, able to be “converted” to secularism, they will only exist because they rejected it. The problem is that you’re viewing atheism as some ultimate fundamental truth and the human brain as something which seeks fundamental truth, which are both ideas rooted in metaphysical platonism, assuming a telos for life and the universe. The actual “truth” is that atheism only corresponds to a current world feeling, a sense of disconnection between subject and object, isolation, a view of infinite space as some kind of offence and belittling to the self, it’s a construction of enlightenment myth and not some sort of apprehension of the truth of reality. Like anything else it disseminated and emerged through random ideas, images, and societal structures which will die out. People are sponges and their beliefs are reactions to what they see around them, and nothing more inherent than that. Atheism has undoubtedly failed in the west to anyone with even a shard of a crystal ball to look into, and that makes it dead.
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i think this is why a lot of atheists on the modern right have become pagan larpers. basically appropriating religion because they’ve realised philosophically secularism is sort of a dead end. you end up in a position where you have to accede that all of human sensory information and reason is just imaginary nonsense construed by an organ randomly and aimlessly formed to make clones of itself. it doesn’t exactly inspire great art or works generations of people live and die to make. in the enlightenment there was the salvation myth of science that kept it going but that’s slowly becoming a joke
>spread muh genes
I like how the athiest cope for this never goes to it’s logical end point. If this were the case it’d lead to extreme eugenics to make better odds for your own genetic offspring, and eventually it’d lead to nothing as people realize the Earth is doomed. Scientism has no logical end point, which fits as it has no logical beginning either
One of two things: 1, you believe in God and a higher purpose and life beyond death. 2, you don’t and thus everything is basically meaningless in the end. Take your pick.
Transhumanism is a meme anyways. Not only is it never likely to happen, even if they somehow did get their utopia of living in a machine, those computers will themselves eventually grow old, get damaged, etc and they will ‘die’. In a sense. Everything has an expiration date, that’s one of the most basic facts of existence and it’s bizarre watching Athiests try to get around it.
what do you mean "the point"? it's supposed to be an evolutionary instinct, nothing more. if you don't procreate, your genetic lines end, so genetic lines that prioritize procreation have an advantage. that's it.
>genetic lines that prioritize procreation have an advantage
What advantage is that? People who have children just ensure there will be people to suffer after them. I think it's even simpler, and children exist because it's a result of humans having sex.
Let's have a look at this map. The least intelligent people are having the most children, meaning there's no thought involved at all.
"advantage" means that genetic line is more likely to propagate, nothing more. genes don't care if you're happy, if you have a big pay check, if you're smart, etc. all of those traits only matter if they make you more likely to procreate. a rich, smart guy who decides he doesn't want any children doesn't pass his genes on. a poor, stupid, trailer-trash guy with 15 illegitimate children has passed on his genes many times, so his traits have contributed more to the overall gene pool than the rich guy.
>power fantasy >little version of yourself to shape into all the things you weren't or couldn't be >a mindslave to drill your ideas into and spread them through >status >attention >money from the government >societal expectations of being "normal" or having "made it"
literally all narcissistic motivations
>to too many old people who were regretful over their lives and stark terrified over death.
How did that happen? What did they say? I am 26 and already frightened over the loss of my youth, flawless skin and hair.
Not that anon, but I assume death becomes a larger focus in your life the closer you get. I don't think any amount of preparation will make it easier. Maybe a life well lived with no regrets.
>to stay alive
That doesn't even make sense. If you have kids, you'll still be dead eventually. >if you don't stay alive then you die and you and me wouldn't be here now making these posts
That's really awful. Imagine if Cinemaphile had far less people, and yet somehow the posts are higher quality. Cinemaphile used to be like that, but nobody was here from those times except me.
Good luck to everyone who wants to continue ruining my website after I've died, because that's what your kids can do.
>That doesn't even make sense.
You have to realize you’re arguing with people who (very literally) got their view of this topic from the end monologue of Metal Gear Solid 2 and that all that’s important is passing on genes and ‘having faith’.
>are you too moronic to understand i'm talking about the entire species
I don't care about the species. This site is full of the species, and yet nobody on it matters. Reply again after I've filtered the thread. I need to go filter every thread on the board, they make more, I filter those, because none of you want to speak to each other. Please think about this post-filter and post-realisation of no self-awareness.
I see npcs are replying to me on my way out. Filtered section must be good.
My interest in having kids eventually is for the following:
1)my grandma is currently 99, bedridden for two years, 75%, with dementia. If I am like this when old, who will take care of me
2)People say having kids feels great. Fear of missing out
3) In the future if my social circle become parents, I won't be able to hang out with them as much if I am not a parent too and will be alone
I understand none of these reasons is good enough to have kids.
except humans have free will that they can use to completely go against their biological programming, even if we've been evolutionarily streamlined to make babies for thousands of years there are people who never have sex then kill themselves, how does that play into the big picture of things
>Athiests laugh about believing in a sky daddy >also claim the Big Bang ‘just happened’ by chance and before that was nothing >the ‘logical’ people want me to believe everything had to come from literal nothing ‘somehow’
Can athiests at least get their own internal logic right before they try to convert me?
It doesn’t really matter what Christians say in this sense. It’s an internal logic problem, even if Christianity didn’t exist. Atheism claims that science’s method can definitively prove everything through clear facts and logic. If there’s suddenly this claim that something came out of nothing, much less that everything came from nothing, then it breaks their own rules. You can not claim to be the people going off of reason, logic, and fact when you also claim something that is illogical and can not be proven
men are constantly horny
women are constantly reminded of their biological clock
the question of what's the point of living with the consequences of sexual intercourse like asking what the point of doing anything our bodies are designed to do. it takes very little effort to produce a child and we're inclined to by various means.
>asking what the point of doing anything our bodies are designed to do
If you stop eating or breathing the only person who suffers is you. Creating a child is forcing another being to suffer.
What exactly is the point of procreation anyway? What's the endgame here?
Nothing really. Existence is a nightmare.
People have kids mostly to (subconsciously) mitigate death anxiety. Having offspring lets you believe that "a part of me will go on after I'm dead" which makes the years spent waiting to die feel a little less empty. That's it.
Life is pointless, cruel and painful. It's an utter nightmare on all counts. The only good thing about it is fantasy and fiction. People just didn't have the means before but now they'd rather just spend their days in a bubble of fiction which gives them positive stimuli than live out in misery due to heckin' morals and le society and some fugazzi sense of obligation to others. Society is just one person roping in the other person into wasting away for nothing.
Sure but admitting to that is ultimately just as meaningless a gesture of vanity as any account society uses to justify its own existence. Camus was right, the only real philosophical question is, "Should I kill myself, or have a cup of coffee?" But in the end, one needs more courage to live than to kill himself.
>heckin courage
Absolute moron.
The universe is indifferent and suicide is the easiest/most logical course of action. Choosing to live anyway IS an act of courage in light of those facts.
Concepts like courage are complete phantasms of our abnormal consciousnesses. Our ideas have no bearing on physical reality.
So?
So, as such, courage doesn't exist at all and I wouldn't judge anyone for wanting out of this nightmare of a life and embrace non-existence.
It's true. Why is it so reviled for a person to opt out of their life? Why does it get you all worked up? Here I am, wasting away while my cells die off as I type this, replying to some moron who replies with a dumb picture like that.
>Why don't people care when I tell them nothing matters?!
Because if you're right, why should they?
They do care, they always have vile reactions to it.
The real answer is most people aren't actually depressed and are able to feel happiness every day. That's obviously not the case for you or most ITT but it is true for them. If you were happy, you wouldn't be thinking it through this hard.
>muh happiness
What juvenile fricking thinking.
Immortality would be a good place to start.
What purpose does immortality serve if there's nothing meaningful to be sought in life?
After reading Benatar I believe that negative ethical people are the only ones who deserve to live and are brave in doing so. The rest are cowardly b***hes who should commit suicide (I include myself among them)
Natures design is for every species to complete with one another for survival. The strong procreate to pass on their genes while the weak die off.
The goal is to create stronger generations that will evolve over a long period of time to adapt to their environment.
However, since people have made living easier with fewer things to kill us, we are allowing the weak to thrive to pass on their weak genes, creating weaker people.
To what end is this process leading to? Just endless copulation, suffering and multiplying for eternity? No rhyme or reason to it? Fricking grim.
There is no end, it's a process that propagates itself. You can either find meaning/enjoyment in the process itself or you can wail against it, but there's really no recourse other than to have a nice day.
Grim. Truly grim.
What would make it not grim? What kind of "end" or goal could you possibly conceptualize that would make things worth it in your eyes?
visit india. that is the endgame if subhumans are continued to be allowed to reproduce
Creation is the ultimate joy and by creating we connect with the ultimate creator, God.
If israeli fairy tales are what keeps you alive, it's over.
>6699
>69
If one were to listen to you, Ouroboros, then it'd in fact be over
Alright go back to coping how it’s a “choice” that you’ll never have kids. I’m happy to breed and spread my beliefs while your lineage dies out. Cheers!
>I’m happy to breed and spread my beliefs while your lineage dies out.
You can probably spread your genes effectively but religion is on the decline and communities with high TFR due to their belief systems (quiverfulls for example) have very low retention rates. Your genes may spread, but your beliefs realistically will not, at least past one generation.
>realistically
“Realistically” the decadent, collapsing system we inhabit is going to die before my beliefs. This thread is already a good enough demonstration of why yours won’t survive, people they aren’t life giving or creative. They encourage paralysis and extinction, ethnic replacement in ones homeland, and myopic hedonism that doesn’t look forward to a future beyond itself. That kind of shit doesn’t create any permanence and doesn’t last because it literally cannot. The state media will continue desperately shilling your beliefs for a time, only to realise the native inhabitants of its nation won’t find any reason to continue as they’re quickly replaced. The soviet union attempted to enforce atheism at state level and the country collapsed and had to backpedal on it. Once people, white people, get their shit together, they will drop atheism because it isn’t useful. That’s nature.
Good video by an anthropologist on this
>Once people, white people, get their shit together, they will drop atheism because it isn’t useful.
That's exactly why that won't work. Religion is useful, absolutely, but that isn't why people believe in it. The belief systems of a religion and the useful behaviors it teaches are both just functions to improve its memetic fitness. Both are needed for the religion to survive at scale. It's the former function that's failing, not the latter.
You aren’t getting what i’m saying. Belief is use, infact it is biologically the foundation of belief, things that are of use to us. The only reason people ask questions about why we are here, where we are going etc is because ingrained in it all is the ego desire to find things of use for itself. I want to know why the universe began for what it means for me, this nonsense about knowledge for its own sake is pure theology and abstraction. What gives people a reason to live is what they believe in, because axiomatically that is how your brain works, it needs to fabricate some set of elemental rules in order to perform any operation in the world. Atheism has been a disaster for the white west, it statistically correlates with mass immigration, leftism, homosexual/ degenerate hedonism spread publicly. It is a biological suicide mechanism. When its adherents fade away, those left won’t be impartial or ambivalent to these questions, able to be “converted” to secularism, they will only exist because they rejected it. The problem is that you’re viewing atheism as some ultimate fundamental truth and the human brain as something which seeks fundamental truth, which are both ideas rooted in metaphysical platonism, assuming a telos for life and the universe. The actual “truth” is that atheism only corresponds to a current world feeling, a sense of disconnection between subject and object, isolation, a view of infinite space as some kind of offence and belittling to the self, it’s a construction of enlightenment myth and not some sort of apprehension of the truth of reality. Like anything else it disseminated and emerged through random ideas, images, and societal structures which will die out. People are sponges and their beliefs are reactions to what they see around them, and nothing more inherent than that. Atheism has undoubtedly failed in the west to anyone with even a shard of a crystal ball to look into, and that makes it dead.
i think this is why a lot of atheists on the modern right have become pagan larpers. basically appropriating religion because they’ve realised philosophically secularism is sort of a dead end. you end up in a position where you have to accede that all of human sensory information and reason is just imaginary nonsense construed by an organ randomly and aimlessly formed to make clones of itself. it doesn’t exactly inspire great art or works generations of people live and die to make. in the enlightenment there was the salvation myth of science that kept it going but that’s slowly becoming a joke
>spread muh genes
I like how the athiest cope for this never goes to it’s logical end point. If this were the case it’d lead to extreme eugenics to make better odds for your own genetic offspring, and eventually it’d lead to nothing as people realize the Earth is doomed. Scientism has no logical end point, which fits as it has no logical beginning either
I'm replying to a christian you dumb frick
Why are there 1.5 billion communist Chinese people that are mostly atheists then?
The hope that eventually my ancestors won't have to deal with this dogshit existence and can ascend
what do you mean by ascend?
the transfer of energy from one state to another for eternity
if people don't procreate the universe no longer exists because no one knows about it
because God is actually real
One of two things: 1, you believe in God and a higher purpose and life beyond death. 2, you don’t and thus everything is basically meaningless in the end. Take your pick.
>existence has meaning because I can live forever and be infinitely happy
no different than a transhumanist atheist
Transhumanism is a meme anyways. Not only is it never likely to happen, even if they somehow did get their utopia of living in a machine, those computers will themselves eventually grow old, get damaged, etc and they will ‘die’. In a sense. Everything has an expiration date, that’s one of the most basic facts of existence and it’s bizarre watching Athiests try to get around it.
what do you mean "the point"? it's supposed to be an evolutionary instinct, nothing more. if you don't procreate, your genetic lines end, so genetic lines that prioritize procreation have an advantage. that's it.
>genetic lines that prioritize procreation have an advantage
What advantage is that? People who have children just ensure there will be people to suffer after them. I think it's even simpler, and children exist because it's a result of humans having sex.
Let's have a look at this map. The least intelligent people are having the most children, meaning there's no thought involved at all.
"advantage" means that genetic line is more likely to propagate, nothing more. genes don't care if you're happy, if you have a big pay check, if you're smart, etc. all of those traits only matter if they make you more likely to procreate. a rich, smart guy who decides he doesn't want any children doesn't pass his genes on. a poor, stupid, trailer-trash guy with 15 illegitimate children has passed on his genes many times, so his traits have contributed more to the overall gene pool than the rich guy.
>power fantasy
>little version of yourself to shape into all the things you weren't or couldn't be
>a mindslave to drill your ideas into and spread them through
>status
>attention
>money from the government
>societal expectations of being "normal" or having "made it"
literally all narcissistic motivations
there is no point if you're a shitskin. sadly they breed like rabbits.
The point of the dance is not to get to the end. That means the best songs would be one crashing note. The point of the dance is to dance.
Ever spinning in an endless cycle just like everything else. Forever and ever.
I’d believe this if I hadn’t talked to too many old people who were regretful over their lives and stark terrified over death.
>to too many old people who were regretful over their lives and stark terrified over death.
How did that happen? What did they say? I am 26 and already frightened over the loss of my youth, flawless skin and hair.
Not that anon, but I assume death becomes a larger focus in your life the closer you get. I don't think any amount of preparation will make it easier. Maybe a life well lived with no regrets.
to stay alive, if you don't stay alive then you die and you and me wouldn't be here now making these posts
>to stay alive
That doesn't even make sense. If you have kids, you'll still be dead eventually.
>if you don't stay alive then you die and you and me wouldn't be here now making these posts
That's really awful. Imagine if Cinemaphile had far less people, and yet somehow the posts are higher quality. Cinemaphile used to be like that, but nobody was here from those times except me.
Good luck to everyone who wants to continue ruining my website after I've died, because that's what your kids can do.
>That doesn't even make sense.
You have to realize you’re arguing with people who (very literally) got their view of this topic from the end monologue of Metal Gear Solid 2 and that all that’s important is passing on genes and ‘having faith’.
what the frick are you even talking about, are you too moronic to understand i'm talking about the entire species
>entire species
The species is doomed anyways, so what’s the point of that even if it’s billions of years in the future?
the point to keeping the species alive? nature hasn't thought that far out
>are you too moronic to understand i'm talking about the entire species
I don't care about the species. This site is full of the species, and yet nobody on it matters. Reply again after I've filtered the thread. I need to go filter every thread on the board, they make more, I filter those, because none of you want to speak to each other. Please think about this post-filter and post-realisation of no self-awareness.
I see npcs are replying to me on my way out. Filtered section must be good.
My interest in having kids eventually is for the following:
1)my grandma is currently 99, bedridden for two years, 75%, with dementia. If I am like this when old, who will take care of me
2)People say having kids feels great. Fear of missing out
3) In the future if my social circle become parents, I won't be able to hang out with them as much if I am not a parent too and will be alone
I understand none of these reasons is good enough to have kids.
*75% blind
Feels good to hit it raw and nut all in there
Preserving the human race and traveling the cosmos. For me personally it's having a relationship with my kids like I had with my dad.
We don’t know, but we have an urge to, simple as. Why do morons questions shit so much?
>Why do morons questions shit so much?
It's the Black person cattle who never questions anything and spawns a dozen subservient shit stains
except humans have free will that they can use to completely go against their biological programming, even if we've been evolutionarily streamlined to make babies for thousands of years there are people who never have sex then kill themselves, how does that play into the big picture of things
>Says the antinatalist
Is it good that weak/ midwit whites are refusing to procreate? Will this make our race stronger in the times of struggle ahead?
rtrn 2 mnky
i read it like 7 times and i still dont understand what hes saying....
Do you know male and female lions don't spend time around each other unless they're making children? Rust is trying to say that humans are like lions.
He said it in the context of a divorce, the quote makes no sense otherwise
>Athiests laugh about believing in a sky daddy
>also claim the Big Bang ‘just happened’ by chance and before that was nothing
>the ‘logical’ people want me to believe everything had to come from literal nothing ‘somehow’
Can athiests at least get their own internal logic right before they try to convert me?
So god created the universe? Where did god come from? Both ideas are equally nonsensical and inconsequential.
It doesn’t really matter what Christians say in this sense. It’s an internal logic problem, even if Christianity didn’t exist. Atheism claims that science’s method can definitively prove everything through clear facts and logic. If there’s suddenly this claim that something came out of nothing, much less that everything came from nothing, then it breaks their own rules. You can not claim to be the people going off of reason, logic, and fact when you also claim something that is illogical and can not be proven
Anyone who claims to know the answer is a moron and being an atheist doesn't mean you have to believe in the big bang theory
the consensus in science is that no one knows where the universe came from. there are of course some fringe hypotheses.
>Atheism claims that science’s method can definitively prove everything through clear facts and logic
Why are you lying? Atheism doesn't claim that.
Don't forget the belly button lint theory that dust magically spun in a space and got hot as an oven forming planets
>childless homosexuals when they realise most of society revolves around families and they're just outliers
men are constantly horny
women are constantly reminded of their biological clock
the question of what's the point of living with the consequences of sexual intercourse like asking what the point of doing anything our bodies are designed to do. it takes very little effort to produce a child and we're inclined to by various means.
This is why I think masturbation is a cuasi-virtue.
>asking what the point of doing anything our bodies are designed to do
If you stop eating or breathing the only person who suffers is you. Creating a child is forcing another being to suffer.
unless you're living in a 3rd world country life isn't that bad
and if people stop having children you increase the suffering of people already alive
The suffering stops when there is no one left
the amount of suffering that leads to everyone dying would be the worst suffering imaginable. utilitarianism is moronic