Is James Bond finished as a franchise now that Craig is out?
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Is James Bond finished as a franchise now that Craig is out?
Is James Bond finished as a franchise now that Craig is out?
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Will it go the way of Dr. Who?
It was finished the minute he was cast. CR and QoS are bearable but not Bond movies, just generic 2000s thrillers like Jack Ryan or Jason Bourne. The minute they denied Pierce a fifth movie was the moment it was all over.
>The minute they denied Pierce a fifth movie was the moment it was all over.
Brosnan was a tepid Bond, Moore without the cringy 70's humor
None of his movies are even above average, his villains, Bond girls cars and tech all sub par
You should shut the frick up since you sound like you don't even like the fricking franchise or character. He was James Bond and his movies are great Bond movies with all the bells and whistles, Craig's were boring, dated shit with no personality or fun for pseuds like you to be able to stomach franchise media. Frick off.
You sound like a fricking low IQ Black person. Craig's bond was some of the best. Brosnan is a great actor, and a great bond, but only Goldeneye was great.
> Craig's bond was some of the best
Troll and bait. Ignored.
>thinks a bulletproof bmw with a remote control and missile launchers is subpar
these movies are not for you. now go watch barbie for the 10th time
An actual BMW
Bond driving a car built for middle aged German swine
bond was never bigger than it was under craig, and it will die without him
A completely asinine statement and wrong. 60's Bondmania was the most popular the character has ever or will ever be. 90's Bondmania, like the 60's, was back with GoldenEye and Pierce's era, you zoomer frickhead. TND had the most extensive marketing campaign of the time due to demand. Skyfall making a billion is not anything when some lame MCU slop with characters no one knows does it's numbers. His era was a mess of miscasts, bad writing and not properly connecting with the generation at hand which is why he's already forgotten and people are aching for a new one.
Nothing will beat 60s Bondmania. Most Bond alumni came from Bond ripoffs backwhen the British Entertainment industry was small.
no it will just get worse
NTTD already proved James Bond is ready to go woke in the next installment. James Bond will be played by Debra Williams and you know it
NTTD was lame but definitely not as woke as it could have been. I don't care that he died since Craig's 'James Bond' is just some random guy. They also pretty much confirm the codename theory in NTTD and retconned Skyfall so they just pretend that the old JB is still around and that he was presumed dead and this guy was given his name to succeed him. Intelligence agencies have done that in real life. Just have the real Bond (Connery to Brosnan) return with a new actor (say Cavill or Dan Stevens) and continue that timeline and write off Craig.
It's never really made any sense to view the James Bond series as a continuous story of one guy, because he'd be almost 100 years old by now if he was still the same character as Sean Connery's Bond.
>NTTD was lame but definitely not as woke as it could have been.
He rides b***h on a bike driven by a woman, is forced to strip in front of another woman who effortlessly kills a dozen henchmen despite having no combat training, is constantly disrespected by everyone around him, doesn't bed any beauties, and literally becomes a toxic male who needs to die to protect the women around him. He doesn't even have a son to carry on his legacy, just a daughter who'll be raised by a single mother. And he gets replaced as 007 by a black woman. And let's not forget the heckin evil racist Russian villain. NTTD may not have been as in-your-face with its messaging as Marvel and Disney movies, but it was just as "woke" as them.
You are right, tell you the truth anon I've watched it half-assedly like once and then forgot about it but this is true. It's definitely a castration session for any Bond fan.
I highly doubt it if Barbara is still in charge. At most, you'll get Brosnanslop. It does all the Bond rhythms half-assedly and soullessly but it's not offensive or lame and watchable but has some woke shit because they can't help themselves, we'll never get anything as spectacularly good as Goldfinger, The Spy Who Loved Me or Dalton's two. It's over. Best we can hope for is what I mentioned.
There's real people on this earth who think ''Bond'' should be played by a female. Frick's sake.
The problem is that no one knows what Bond is anymore. You have all these fricking American morons who think that Bond is supposed to be a bodybuilding supermodel in the cold war and want Cavill to be Bond in a period piece so that they can stare at his junk in speedos.
And then you have the moron xoomer execs who think that californian market research is gospel and that Bond should be a pansexual frickboy who addresses his white privilege and fricks trannies.
And then you have the people that actually liked the books who want a gritty spy story with some action and adventure but apparently that isn't enough of a spectacle.
And then you have the majority of audiences who apparently loved Skyfall and just want Bond to be a tourism advert for the UK with dumb tropes and capeshit writing
Nice write-up.
Who is your favourite Bond and Bond movie? Judging by your post, you are a Daltonbro right? His two movies fit your ideal Bond movie to a T.
The main problem with the James Bond series in recent years is that they insist on always setting the movies in the present day, but the basic idea of a "gentleman spy" like Bond is completely out of place in the post-9/11 era. Hell, it hasn't really made sense since the Cold War ended.
If they want to continue the series after killing off Craig's version of Bond, they really need to do a reboot back to the 1960s.
They can still have Bond be a gentleman spy who mingles with powerful people around the world. The question is why he would still be serving a Britain that's ruled by people like Sadiq Khan.
Brosnan's movies did that pretty well despite. I think having a man like Bond through every era to show some masculine ideals is good but you're right, you put Bond in the modern day and it can work but it'll have no juice or style or anything special. The current day is shit. I'd take a period piece in the 60's or 80's any day.
But it is, officially, the story of one guy. You have to suspend your disbelief that he never ages and so don't the MI6 staff. Connery to Brosnan is the same guy, that's how it's written. Now, you can just insert le heckin alternate timelines to it but that's the thinking and making Bond timeless in his ideal of masculinity and bravado.
>You have to suspend your disbelief that he never ages and so don't the MI6 staff.
But the MI6 staff do age and retire or die over time. There have been a number of different M's and Q's during the series who have been directly acknowledged in-universe as different people.
Not really. That only extended to M as Bernand Lee died but they never acknowledged he was a different guy, just replaced him with another actor that was in TSPWL in Octopussy. This only applies to Judi Dench's M from Brosnan to Craig which does have two different character names. Moneypenny and Q are the same people.
>Not really.
Did you miss the part where Desmond Llewelyn bailed and handed over the baton to Cleese?
Ahhh yes that's right I concede. I actually thought he was fricking brilliant as Q and it's a shame that cucked EON rebooted when Brosnan could have been doing Bond well into the 2010's. Frick them to hell.
No idea why they had to can him for Craig, a fricking goober who looks like a Serbian used car salesman. They did exactly one movie (CR) with him being physically active, then QoS happened (but nobody remembers it anyway) and then he just became an alchie lolcow who everyone was laughing at because lmao you're so old, James.
They probably wanted a clean break from based cheesy gadget Bond for the edgy Jack Bauer Bourne Identity gritty bullshit reboot
Yeah but then they turned him into a moping homosexual who was still pining for some banker prostitute 15 years after he banged her over the course of a week or two before she got honeypotted and killed.
Also Bond can apparently just quit his job whenever he wants to to get shitfaced since the MI6 is just some burger joint always rehiring quitters who suck at their job.
>DAD made insane amounts of money
>normal people who wanted to have a fun 2 hours of escapism loved it
>but these chronically online loser journalists with no life said they want le serious fictional stories so let's cave to them
I hate Barbara Broccoli so much it's unreal.
That shit was cool for a one-off like Lazenby. I really think Craig should have been done like that and not done another movie and then bring in Cavill or something. The guy hated the role anyway because he realized Barbara wanted to frick him and that's why he got the role not because he was good for it. 15 years of potential kino wasted due to an insane nepo roastie's whims. I HATE THIS GAY WORLD.
>I really think Craig should have been done like that and not done another movie and then bring in Cavill or something.
That would've been optimal. Casino may even have turned into a cult flick that way, a representation of the Y2K Bond.
>2006
>not even the first Bond movie released in the new millennium
>Y2K
What
Yes, zoomer. Bond driving a fricking BMW that any idiot in middle management could afford instead of the unattainable Aston Martin is subpar. You morons think all the product placement started with the Craig era with Bond drinking Heineken and other uncultured swill when he was already driving a fricking Beamer in GoldenEye.
>fricking zoomer shits
>hasn't lived long enough to be told the difference between bimmer and beamer
Would have loved to see Boyle's Bond
>Bond in modern day Russia against Russian intelligence, going back to his roots, and echoing the Cold War
Could have been kino without Craig but of course they rejected it.
Indeed, maybe people would look fondly on him instead of the frickhead that ruined the franchise, perhaps, forever. Cavill was too young for sure by CR but some time after that he got built and matured and should have been the Bond of this generation. What a shame they clung to him because the boss of EON is some fricking roastie woman. Insane clown world.
based.
I hope whoever wrote that is run over by a car.
Indeed, nothing will ever come close unless this new media-obsessed generation is introduced to a proper James Bond.
They royally screwed by making Craig a producer.
Lmao at this seethe Brosnan sucks you homosexual, probably the worst James Bond. Can't be taken seriously with all his prancing around like a femboy. You need to suck it up.
Legit mental patient.
Cope more loser. You grew up on shitty movies and now your preference is based on nothing but nostalgia and all your bullshit is just retroactive justifications for bad movies and a bad person in the role that happened to be fundamental to your worthless little upbringing.
Holy projecting.
Nope. I didn't look into Bond until a few years ago. My perspective is clean and untainted of nostalgic disease.
Okay, then. I'll bite, anon. Post your favourite Bond, Bond movie, Bond girl, Bond villain and Bond theme. I genuinely want to have a convo.
1. Dalton, Craig or Connery (interchangeable), Lazenby, Moore, Brosnan, in descending order
2. OHMSS, LTK, CR
3. Haven't thought about this one much. Probably Tracy from OHMSS. The girl from DAF was kind of funny in a so bad it's good way, and I guess the one from moonraker was hot.
4. No absolute winner here. Raoul Silva was good, Red Grant probably better. Everyone from LALD too. Cristopher Walkin was funny.
5. No clear winner here either. Most themes are pretty good. I'd say OHMSS, TLD, AVTAK are some of my favorites.
I'm willing to give Craig some slack because his first two were very good (yes, I loved QoS) but Skyfall onwards felt like depressing subversive slop. Dalton is the best James Bond, objectively. He was cool, suave and larger-than-life while also feeling a genuine fricking character and person. I loved LTK. It had the fun and adventure of Bond with a real emotionally powerful revenge story. Best Bond movie ever made, for my money.
I liked skyfall a fair bit. I tend not to like the films where it's just purely some superman fantasy (unless it's so horrible it becomes good again) so I don't really care for goldfinger, for instance. Specter was garbage though, and NTTD was okay.
>NTTD was okay
It was woke trash but I don't care to be angry at it because it's not the REAL James Bond (1962-2002) and just some lame rebooted version dying.
>shitty movies
Wat.
DAD admittedly got moronic after the ice palace part but that's it, rest is pretty solid.
people are just turned off by guns now. those things are dangerous!
I think it will be a few years before we see another Bond film, given that franchise media is oversaturated and incrementally returning less money for execs.
Was it finished after Connery? Lazenby? Moore? Dalton? Brosnan? Craig? Its been predicted to die after Connery's run. They are just playing turtle.
I think they're waiting for capeshit to truly be officially dead so they can bring back Bond as the ultimate movie going experience. Craig's run began two years before the MCU and ended two years after Endgame.
Absolutely and it's not due to Craig specifically. IT's because there is no new talent coming. Consider the bigger picture. The top UFC talent pool is almost the exact same as when McGregor was on his initial run. Where are all the new superstars? Movies, the same. All the new faces are forced, not star material, we still want stars from the 90's or even earlier. New story franchises, same thing. Very little of merit has come into existence in at least 10 years. The bench is empty. Whether it's toxins in the food and water or whatever they've baseded humans up so badly the younger generations just don't have what it takes.
>this is the best young new Bond they can find
It's so fricking over.
if bond isnt suave and in control then the bond movie sucks. this is the primal element that has been lost with the whole feminism/Black personism push over the last 40 years
they should make the next bond movie set in the 20th century, it’s so obvious
is there some directive from the franchise owner it has to be set in the present day or something?
Franchise has been dead since Connery left
It's Bond....Jane Bond
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The only way to save it is to pull a hard u-turn back to what made the series popular in the first place. Drop all continuity, make no reference to the Craig era and just make fun movies with proper sets and stunts. I doubt it will happen bur the pendulum seems to be swinging back on woke shit a little so we'll see.
franchises as big as james bond don't die that easily. it must deteriorate more
Only if they put in a diversity hire
No. But the last one was a disaster. A niggress forcefully crammed into the film to appease the mentally ill mobs, and bond being emotional and looking lost all the time. His change in personality was absurd. Nothing had come before to ever show he had a hint of emotion, then suddenly, wham, he's crying on the floor. Saying sorry, looking directly into the camera saying thank you. It was a shit fest. Quite a comment on Britain itself actually.