Is there a character who has suffered more than him?

Is there a character who has suffered more than him?

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jonas

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mikkel

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >who has suffered more than him
    Helge. Regina. Hannah. Egon.
    And those are only the ones Ulrich harmed directly. Pretty much every major character suffered from his actions in one way or another. Incliding himself. Yes, he's to blame for every single negative thing that happened to himself. He deserved what he got, and frankly, worse.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Hannah
      She deserved everything that happened to her. While everyone else did horrible things, it was to prevent them from happening to begin with. Hannah was out for no one but herself.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >She deserved everything that happened to her.
        Ah, so you're an Ulrich simp. Figures.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don't care for Ulrich at all. It doesn't change what I said. She manipulated and used everyone around her and did nothing but feel sorry for herself, all because Ulrich chose Katerina. Didn't even love her own son. She's the Olivia Soprano of Dark.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            How didn't she love her son?

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              She flat-out told him she'd choose Ulrich over him and his dad.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Bpd b***h. The woman is pretty similar to that tyrion prostitute. Are these women even capable of love?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Rewatch Dark and pay some attention this time.
                Love is what Hannah was all about.
                She most definitely was head over heels in love with Ulrich, she most definitely loved Michael (S2E6) and both her children. The main problem was that Ulrich didn't love her and that Michael was a nervous wreck, the more so the older he got.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Then why lie about Ulrich raping Katharina in high school? Did she somehow think that Ulrich wouldn't get hurt? Love doesn't do that.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Then why lie about Ulrich raping Katharina in high school?
                To potentially break them up? It was pretty obvious, anon.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's not love. Do you think shae loved tyrion?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >That's not love.
                It's infatuation. Jealousy, certainly. And, yes, that's not healthy, but it's definitely a form of love.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                How do you distinguish btn someone who let's them be and loves in silence and someone who sabotages them at every turn?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >loves in silence
                Well, that would be Thorben Wöller towards Hannah. That kind of behaviour doesn't ever get you anything, unless Ulrich isn't around to mess things up.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not talking about goals I'm talking about the idea of true and what it makes people do. Do people who genuinely love another person let them be or try to take them by force? And this is assuming that it's unrequited love?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Do people who genuinely love another person let them be or try to take them by force? And this is assuming that it's unrequited love?
                That depends on whether or not you're a hopeless romantic or a pragmatist. Again, Thorben Wöller was pretty miserable because he never acted on his feelings/desires. And Hannah was miserable, arguably because she did.
                Now, Ulrich on the other hand just always took what he wanted and got away with it for the first 50 years of his life. Then his bad decisions (and how he treated people) started catching up with him, all of them in pretty quick succession (Regina, Helge, Egon, Hannah). To be fair though, trying to kill Helge is what sealed his fate, no matter what any of the other characters did from that moment on. It's kinda funny that people seriously think Hannah could have gotten him out of prison had she wanted to.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't see how him beating Helge was uncalled for. He was desperate especially because he blames himself for his brother. He is just as unfortunate for doing something in a foreign timeline as any of them was.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't see how him beating Helge was uncalled for.
                Holy shit. You're a horrible human being.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Lol the point of the show is to sympathize with him. Helge's life for his son. That's a really difficult dilemma and it's more complex than your black and white perspective.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the point of the show is to sympathize with him.
                No. It really is not.
                >Helge's life for his son. That's a really difficult dilemma
                Except that Ulrich was wrong about the very premise of that "dilemma" and didn't care that he acted on incomplete and even contradicting (remember he had already confirmed that his son wasn't either of the found bodies) information. He basically wanted to kill a child on the off-change that said child might be guilty of something in the future. And, no, that's no dilemma, that's being an immoral piece of shit.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Except Helge *was* the one abducting kids, just not Michel. Of course that only happened because Ulrich damaged his brain by attacking him.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Except Helge *was* the one abducting kids
                So? Does that justify killing him long before he could even consider doing anything like that? Based on no evidence nonetheless?
                >Of course that only happened because Ulrich damaged his brain by attacking him.
                Oh, I wouldn't blame that on any brain damage from the attack, Helge was notoriously simple-minded even before that. But the attack did make sure that Helge would end up in the bunker and is what led him onto that path.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Helge was notoriously simple-minded even before that.
                It was the attack that led him to fall into Noah's clutches, anon.

                I don't think you're supposed to see Ulrich in a positive light at all. In fact, I think it's supposed to feel cathartic when Helge eventually fricks him up later in both timelines.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >It was the attack that led him to fall into Noah's clutches, anon.
                Which is a different issue from his mental capabilities. That's my point.
                >I think it's supposed to feel cathartic when Helge eventually fricks him up later in both timelines.
                Agreed.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >his mental capabilities
                His mental capabilities were both diminished in the attack and exploited by Noah, anon.

                He was slow before, but a full-on moron after.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >diminished in the attack
                I don't think we have enough evidence to conclude that.
                >He was slow before, but a full-on moron after.
                That's according to his mother, yes, but she comments on how he stopped talking, which is not a result of any brain damage, hence why he could speak with Noah.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              She abandoned him you moron

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're pretty shallow-minded. And you most definitely cared for Ulrich, considering the "everyone around her" that she manipulated was literally just Ulrich, Katharina and to some extent Alexander (which was, again, all about Ulrich).

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              You forget she lied to the cops about Ulrich raping Katherina and screwed around with Egon in the past? She even manipulated Jonas and stole the time machine.

              Imagine simping for Hannah of all the characters. Get help.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >screwed around with Egon in the past?
                And you think that was manipulative because ... erm ... why exactly? Do you think Egon didn't get to make any decisions there?
                >She even manipulated Jonas and stole the time machine.
                Again, how and when did she "manipulate" Jonas. I get the feeling that you do not know what that word even means.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Egon thought he was banging a ho. Hannah knew exactly who he was and what she was fricking up.

                >when did she "manipulate" Jonas. I get the feeling that you do not know what that word even means.
                >I'm your mother, it's totally safe and you can trust me.
                >Hahaha, no! I'll steal your time machine and frick with the timeline to get what I want!

                I'm beginning to think you didn't even watch the show, you wiki-reading piece of shit.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Egon thought he was banging a ho.
                Nope.
                >I'm your mother, it's totally safe and you can trust me.
                "It's totally safe"? What the hell are you talking about?
                Also, she did not ask to be introduced to time travel. That was him coming to her with it. Again, you're completely moronic about your irrational hatred of a character that didn't treat your favourite child-murderer with the slavish devotion you wanted to see.
                >you wiki-reading piece of shit.
                Oh, the irony ...

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Nope.
                Yes, Egon knew Hannah was from the fricking future.

                >"It's totally safe"? What the hell are you talking about?
                >ignoring that Jonas straight-up asked her if he can trust her

                >That was him coming to her with it.
                Because she was his mother.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Egon knew Hannah was from the fricking future.
                Why does it matter to Egon where Hannah came from? If that's your threshold for manipulation, everyone in Dark manipulated everyone else, and at times themselves.
                >Because she was his mother.
                So she "manipulated" him not because of anything she did, but by being his mother, which prompted him to act on his own volition. Interesting.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Rewatch Dark and pay some attention this time.
                Love is what Hannah was all about.
                She most definitely was head over heels in love with Ulrich, she most definitely loved Michael (S2E6) and both her children. The main problem was that Ulrich didn't love her and that Michael was a nervous wreck, the more so the older he got.

                Imagine simping for Hannah of all possible characters. Literally have a nice day.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >t. simping for Ulrich

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      How was it his fault? Wasn't it tannhaus who caused everything?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >tannhaus who caused everything?
        Tannhaus didn't force Ulrich to sleep around and (try to) murder children.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I liked him as literally hitler

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    O'brien has been through more than any regular man could take.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      keiko alone

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >ask a simple question
      >get put in jail for 20 years for it
      >kill your cell mate for a scrap of food
      >turns out it was all a simulation that only lasted a few hours
      >but you have 20 years of actual memories of prison and what you did

      And that was just one of the episodes of what that guy went through. Jesus frick Star Trek was really dark at times.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Which episode was this? I don't watch this show, but that sounds interesting.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          same
          I skipped ds9 because I hate bajorans and maquis shit
          but that do sounds interesting

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      this actor can't catch a break, always getting the tragic roles.

      first one that came into my mind

      Women exist and suffer more, and she literally WENT TO HELL

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes because he no longer exists and his suffering was permanently and retroactively erased

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    His wife Katharina, She was abused during her childhood. Then got cheated on, lost her son, lost her husband. Then dying in the year you don't belong to to the hands of the person who abused you all your life. What's worst is your own children describe your death as a fictional ghost story on the same river your body is in, 3 decades later

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      At least for Katharina it was quick. Ulrich had to sit there locked up for 30+ years, then finally finding his son and failing to rescue him, apprehended by the man he hates most. Did he ever find out what happened to Katharina either? or did she promise to rescue him then just never return.

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is Season 2 and 3 worth watching, if I didnt like the time traveling thing?
    I really liked how Season 1 started but I didnt like the way it took

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      No. Time travel is the basis of the show. You don't like that, it's not for you.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    this actor can't catch a break, always getting the tragic roles.

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Marta was unconventionally beautiful

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    first one that came into my mind

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pizza guy from Chernobyl

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you're specifically talking about the show he's from then definitely Jonas, at least the Adam version.

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    when you play literally Hitler you get what's coming to you

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The episode where Jonas goes back and meets Martha on the beach was peak tv kino

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The ending of this show was grim

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not really. It's directly implied everything that happens, happens again but in a less twisted way. Or it could be more twisted, who knows. But there is hope.

      The only character in the show that did nothing wrong.

      He did plenty wrong, but like all the others he did it to prevent terrible things from happening. The whole show is a messed up trolley problem.

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The only character in the show that did nothing wrong.

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The biggest martyr there ever was

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes
    >Jim it's not the hornyness okay? it's the loneliness

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >discover time travel
    >use it to go and taunt an old boyfriend who dumped you
    deep

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      She didn't even want to help him after this point which makes me wonder why morons in this thread think she still loves ulrich, she just fricks off to 1958 to escape it all.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >she still loves ulrich
        No one ever said that she still loves him after he shuts her down in the car. At that point, she's ready to move on and have Alexander "ruin" him.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          love isn't something you can turn on and off.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Love can easily turn into hate pretty quickly if you give it a healty dose of betrayal and rejection.
            What won't happen is love turning into apathy, or apathy turning into hate.

  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Literally his fricking son.

    Frick this cheating piece of shit.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine how he feels like seeing his father frick his wife, lmao this show was so convoluted.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine how he feels having to kill himself for eternity.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >seeing his father frick his wife
        He never saw that though. He killed himself the very night they first got it on. Arguably minutes to hours before they got it on. And they kept it secret from his younger version.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Its debatable whether it was the first time, Katharina complains about this. Damn this show has one of the most sympathetic characters i've ever seen on any show, probably because of how bad it ends for most of them prior to the 3 world ending.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Its debatable whether it was the first time
            It's pretty obvious that it's the first time since the scene shows them stumbling into it rather than planning it. It also has all the buildup of showing Hannah being frustated by Michael's worsening apathy/depression earlier in the episode and of course, Ulrich getting cucked out of action with his wife by his son being sick not once, but twice. That's the 101 of how you write the beginning of an extramarital affair.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Did he even know it was his father? I thought he was drugged out of his mind and you dont even know what he remembers or even knows what's real.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes he does, don't you remember him hiding after seeing mikkel?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          why was he even drugged in the first place? Feel like a lot of things in the show are mentioned but never followed up on

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >why was he even drugged in the first place?
            From what I gathered, he genuinely had a a psychological trauma and troubles sleeping, and Ines just went the path of least resistance to take care of that. She was probably not really prepared for such a situation and in over her head.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            nobody believed his story plus he lost his family and changed timelines, that's enough to frick you over for a lifetime especially when you grow up and start recognizing your childhood

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Man, the casting for this show was really spot on.

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    NO

  27. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hannah is a turbo c**t and this show was anti-white and anti-German. Frick these redditor showrunners.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      i don't remember it being anti-white, i thought everyone in it was white which was a miracle for netflix. i thought it was vaguely anti nuclear tho

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >i thought everyone in it was white
        Yasin was a turk.

  28. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Least he got to see his wife which proved to himself he wasn't crazy

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >he got to see his wife
      And then she got herself killed, leaving him to rot in the asylum.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because she couldn't get past her abusive mother, really fricking hurts how she dies.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          To be fair, she ends up surviving in the origin world, and without Ulrich there, she's even friends with Regina and Hannah.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >she's even friends with Regina and Hannah.
            And she's alone, her kids don't exist and she still had a shitty mom.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >her kids don't exist
              She might still have children. You cannot tell much about her from that scene. Not even whether her name's still Katharina or not.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I believe the implication is she's not married, nor is Regina.

                Basically the shittiest people got the happiest endings.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                That could be implied by her showing up there alone, yes, but it could also mean that she's divorced (like in Eva's world), widowed or simply that the husband didn't have time to attend.
                There's a much stronger case for Regina not being married (and childless) since the gathering takes place at her home, and the only photos we see are of her and her parents. But even then there's the fact that she's living in a house that's too big for a single person, so she might also have or have had a family of her own at some point.
                The simple reason not to show them with partners from a filming/writing perspective is that they did not want to bloat the scene by introducing new characters/actors that add little value to the whole.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                She has no wedding ring, anon. Sure, all that other shit could be true, but how is that a positive?

                I think the implication of the scene, given the "deja vu" that plays out with the storm and the coat and the power dropping and Hannah's dream is that it al still happens as Claudia said it would. At different times and in different ways, but they still do. It's a complex ending, but I don't blame people for it leaving a bad taste in their mouth.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >She has no wedding ring, anon.
                True. But, again, she might be divorced. Doesn't necessarily mean she doesn't have children.

  29. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    For me? It's Franziska.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Teenage Katharina is prettier though and teenage curly regina

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Teenage Katharina is prettier though
        You must have had a crush on Kim Wilde in your youth or something.

  30. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      She looks so much better without the e thot piercings

      I like that kinda cute weird girl next door vibe from her

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Frick you too. Go back b***h.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Frick off with your stinky drug addict ftm indian you fricking homosexual ftl Black person shill.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      She looks so much better without the e thot piercings

      I like that kinda cute weird girl next door vibe from her

      This is a Dark thread. FRICK. OFF.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        No

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Based dubs, chkd.
        Frick jannies
        Frick troons
        Frick Black folk
        Frick fishtank
        Frick Scam Hyde/Jason Goldisraeliter
        Frick israelites
        And frick simps

  31. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus Christ had it easy compared to what Brigitte endured

  32. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Für mich ist es die junge Hannah

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Basiert und rotpilliert

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ich kann sie reparieren.

  33. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
  34. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    He won

  35. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
  36. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    yana

  37. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    stoßen

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