Is there a character who has suffered more than him?
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>who has suffered more than him
Helge. Regina. Hannah. Egon.
And those are only the ones Ulrich harmed directly. Pretty much every major character suffered from his actions in one way or another. Incliding himself. Yes, he's to blame for every single negative thing that happened to himself. He deserved what he got, and frankly, worse.
>Hannah
She deserved everything that happened to her. While everyone else did horrible things, it was to prevent them from happening to begin with. Hannah was out for no one but herself.
>She deserved everything that happened to her.
Ah, so you're an Ulrich simp. Figures.
I don't care for Ulrich at all. It doesn't change what I said. She manipulated and used everyone around her and did nothing but feel sorry for herself, all because Ulrich chose Katerina. Didn't even love her own son. She's the Olivia Soprano of Dark.
How didn't she love her son?
She flat-out told him she'd choose Ulrich over him and his dad.
Bpd b***h. The woman is pretty similar to that tyrion prostitute. Are these women even capable of love?
Rewatch Dark and pay some attention this time.
Love is what Hannah was all about.
She most definitely was head over heels in love with Ulrich, she most definitely loved Michael (S2E6) and both her children. The main problem was that Ulrich didn't love her and that Michael was a nervous wreck, the more so the older he got.
Then why lie about Ulrich raping Katharina in high school? Did she somehow think that Ulrich wouldn't get hurt? Love doesn't do that.
>Then why lie about Ulrich raping Katharina in high school?
To potentially break them up? It was pretty obvious, anon.
That's not love. Do you think shae loved tyrion?
>That's not love.
It's infatuation. Jealousy, certainly. And, yes, that's not healthy, but it's definitely a form of love.
How do you distinguish btn someone who let's them be and loves in silence and someone who sabotages them at every turn?
>loves in silence
Well, that would be Thorben Wöller towards Hannah. That kind of behaviour doesn't ever get you anything, unless Ulrich isn't around to mess things up.
I'm not talking about goals I'm talking about the idea of true and what it makes people do. Do people who genuinely love another person let them be or try to take them by force? And this is assuming that it's unrequited love?
>Do people who genuinely love another person let them be or try to take them by force? And this is assuming that it's unrequited love?
That depends on whether or not you're a hopeless romantic or a pragmatist. Again, Thorben Wöller was pretty miserable because he never acted on his feelings/desires. And Hannah was miserable, arguably because she did.
Now, Ulrich on the other hand just always took what he wanted and got away with it for the first 50 years of his life. Then his bad decisions (and how he treated people) started catching up with him, all of them in pretty quick succession (Regina, Helge, Egon, Hannah). To be fair though, trying to kill Helge is what sealed his fate, no matter what any of the other characters did from that moment on. It's kinda funny that people seriously think Hannah could have gotten him out of prison had she wanted to.
I don't see how him beating Helge was uncalled for. He was desperate especially because he blames himself for his brother. He is just as unfortunate for doing something in a foreign timeline as any of them was.
>I don't see how him beating Helge was uncalled for.
Holy shit. You're a horrible human being.
Lol the point of the show is to sympathize with him. Helge's life for his son. That's a really difficult dilemma and it's more complex than your black and white perspective.
>the point of the show is to sympathize with him.
No. It really is not.
>Helge's life for his son. That's a really difficult dilemma
Except that Ulrich was wrong about the very premise of that "dilemma" and didn't care that he acted on incomplete and even contradicting (remember he had already confirmed that his son wasn't either of the found bodies) information. He basically wanted to kill a child on the off-change that said child might be guilty of something in the future. And, no, that's no dilemma, that's being an immoral piece of shit.
Except Helge *was* the one abducting kids, just not Michel. Of course that only happened because Ulrich damaged his brain by attacking him.
>Except Helge *was* the one abducting kids
So? Does that justify killing him long before he could even consider doing anything like that? Based on no evidence nonetheless?
>Of course that only happened because Ulrich damaged his brain by attacking him.
Oh, I wouldn't blame that on any brain damage from the attack, Helge was notoriously simple-minded even before that. But the attack did make sure that Helge would end up in the bunker and is what led him onto that path.
>Helge was notoriously simple-minded even before that.
It was the attack that led him to fall into Noah's clutches, anon.
I don't think you're supposed to see Ulrich in a positive light at all. In fact, I think it's supposed to feel cathartic when Helge eventually fricks him up later in both timelines.
>It was the attack that led him to fall into Noah's clutches, anon.
Which is a different issue from his mental capabilities. That's my point.
>I think it's supposed to feel cathartic when Helge eventually fricks him up later in both timelines.
Agreed.
>his mental capabilities
His mental capabilities were both diminished in the attack and exploited by Noah, anon.
He was slow before, but a full-on moron after.
>diminished in the attack
I don't think we have enough evidence to conclude that.
>He was slow before, but a full-on moron after.
That's according to his mother, yes, but she comments on how he stopped talking, which is not a result of any brain damage, hence why he could speak with Noah.
She abandoned him you moron
You're pretty shallow-minded. And you most definitely cared for Ulrich, considering the "everyone around her" that she manipulated was literally just Ulrich, Katharina and to some extent Alexander (which was, again, all about Ulrich).
You forget she lied to the cops about Ulrich raping Katherina and screwed around with Egon in the past? She even manipulated Jonas and stole the time machine.
Imagine simping for Hannah of all the characters. Get help.
>screwed around with Egon in the past?
And you think that was manipulative because ... erm ... why exactly? Do you think Egon didn't get to make any decisions there?
>She even manipulated Jonas and stole the time machine.
Again, how and when did she "manipulate" Jonas. I get the feeling that you do not know what that word even means.
Egon thought he was banging a ho. Hannah knew exactly who he was and what she was fricking up.
>when did she "manipulate" Jonas. I get the feeling that you do not know what that word even means.
>I'm your mother, it's totally safe and you can trust me.
>Hahaha, no! I'll steal your time machine and frick with the timeline to get what I want!
I'm beginning to think you didn't even watch the show, you wiki-reading piece of shit.
>Egon thought he was banging a ho.
Nope.
>I'm your mother, it's totally safe and you can trust me.
"It's totally safe"? What the hell are you talking about?
Also, she did not ask to be introduced to time travel. That was him coming to her with it. Again, you're completely moronic about your irrational hatred of a character that didn't treat your favourite child-murderer with the slavish devotion you wanted to see.
>you wiki-reading piece of shit.
Oh, the irony ...
>Nope.
Yes, Egon knew Hannah was from the fricking future.
>"It's totally safe"? What the hell are you talking about?
>ignoring that Jonas straight-up asked her if he can trust her
>That was him coming to her with it.
Because she was his mother.
>Egon knew Hannah was from the fricking future.
Why does it matter to Egon where Hannah came from? If that's your threshold for manipulation, everyone in Dark manipulated everyone else, and at times themselves.
>Because she was his mother.
So she "manipulated" him not because of anything she did, but by being his mother, which prompted him to act on his own volition. Interesting.
Imagine simping for Hannah of all possible characters. Literally have a nice day.
>t. simping for Ulrich
How was it his fault? Wasn't it tannhaus who caused everything?
>tannhaus who caused everything?
Tannhaus didn't force Ulrich to sleep around and (try to) murder children.
I liked him as literally hitler
O'brien has been through more than any regular man could take.
keiko alone
>ask a simple question
>get put in jail for 20 years for it
>kill your cell mate for a scrap of food
>turns out it was all a simulation that only lasted a few hours
>but you have 20 years of actual memories of prison and what you did
And that was just one of the episodes of what that guy went through. Jesus frick Star Trek was really dark at times.
Which episode was this? I don't watch this show, but that sounds interesting.
same
I skipped ds9 because I hate bajorans and maquis shit
but that do sounds interesting
Women exist and suffer more, and she literally WENT TO HELL
Yes because he no longer exists and his suffering was permanently and retroactively erased
His wife Katharina, She was abused during her childhood. Then got cheated on, lost her son, lost her husband. Then dying in the year you don't belong to to the hands of the person who abused you all your life. What's worst is your own children describe your death as a fictional ghost story on the same river your body is in, 3 decades later
At least for Katharina it was quick. Ulrich had to sit there locked up for 30+ years, then finally finding his son and failing to rescue him, apprehended by the man he hates most. Did he ever find out what happened to Katharina either? or did she promise to rescue him then just never return.
Is Season 2 and 3 worth watching, if I didnt like the time traveling thing?
I really liked how Season 1 started but I didnt like the way it took
No. Time travel is the basis of the show. You don't like that, it's not for you.
this actor can't catch a break, always getting the tragic roles.
Marta was unconventionally beautiful
Jesus
first one that came into my mind
Pizza guy from Chernobyl
If you're specifically talking about the show he's from then definitely Jonas, at least the Adam version.
when you play literally Hitler you get what's coming to you
The episode where Jonas goes back and meets Martha on the beach was peak tv kino
The ending of this show was grim
Not really. It's directly implied everything that happens, happens again but in a less twisted way. Or it could be more twisted, who knows. But there is hope.
He did plenty wrong, but like all the others he did it to prevent terrible things from happening. The whole show is a messed up trolley problem.
The only character in the show that did nothing wrong.
The biggest martyr there ever was
Yes
>Jim it's not the hornyness okay? it's the loneliness
>discover time travel
>use it to go and taunt an old boyfriend who dumped you
deep
She didn't even want to help him after this point which makes me wonder why morons in this thread think she still loves ulrich, she just fricks off to 1958 to escape it all.
>she still loves ulrich
No one ever said that she still loves him after he shuts her down in the car. At that point, she's ready to move on and have Alexander "ruin" him.
love isn't something you can turn on and off.
Love can easily turn into hate pretty quickly if you give it a healty dose of betrayal and rejection.
What won't happen is love turning into apathy, or apathy turning into hate.
Literally his fricking son.
Frick this cheating piece of shit.
Imagine how he feels like seeing his father frick his wife, lmao this show was so convoluted.
Imagine how he feels having to kill himself for eternity.
>seeing his father frick his wife
He never saw that though. He killed himself the very night they first got it on. Arguably minutes to hours before they got it on. And they kept it secret from his younger version.
Its debatable whether it was the first time, Katharina complains about this. Damn this show has one of the most sympathetic characters i've ever seen on any show, probably because of how bad it ends for most of them prior to the 3 world ending.
>Its debatable whether it was the first time
It's pretty obvious that it's the first time since the scene shows them stumbling into it rather than planning it. It also has all the buildup of showing Hannah being frustated by Michael's worsening apathy/depression earlier in the episode and of course, Ulrich getting cucked out of action with his wife by his son being sick not once, but twice. That's the 101 of how you write the beginning of an extramarital affair.
Did he even know it was his father? I thought he was drugged out of his mind and you dont even know what he remembers or even knows what's real.
Yes he does, don't you remember him hiding after seeing mikkel?
why was he even drugged in the first place? Feel like a lot of things in the show are mentioned but never followed up on
>why was he even drugged in the first place?
From what I gathered, he genuinely had a a psychological trauma and troubles sleeping, and Ines just went the path of least resistance to take care of that. She was probably not really prepared for such a situation and in over her head.
nobody believed his story plus he lost his family and changed timelines, that's enough to frick you over for a lifetime especially when you grow up and start recognizing your childhood
Man, the casting for this show was really spot on.
NO
Hannah is a turbo c**t and this show was anti-white and anti-German. Frick these redditor showrunners.
i don't remember it being anti-white, i thought everyone in it was white which was a miracle for netflix. i thought it was vaguely anti nuclear tho
>i thought everyone in it was white
Yasin was a turk.
Least he got to see his wife which proved to himself he wasn't crazy
>he got to see his wife
And then she got herself killed, leaving him to rot in the asylum.
Because she couldn't get past her abusive mother, really fricking hurts how she dies.
To be fair, she ends up surviving in the origin world, and without Ulrich there, she's even friends with Regina and Hannah.
>she's even friends with Regina and Hannah.
And she's alone, her kids don't exist and she still had a shitty mom.
>her kids don't exist
She might still have children. You cannot tell much about her from that scene. Not even whether her name's still Katharina or not.
I believe the implication is she's not married, nor is Regina.
Basically the shittiest people got the happiest endings.
That could be implied by her showing up there alone, yes, but it could also mean that she's divorced (like in Eva's world), widowed or simply that the husband didn't have time to attend.
There's a much stronger case for Regina not being married (and childless) since the gathering takes place at her home, and the only photos we see are of her and her parents. But even then there's the fact that she's living in a house that's too big for a single person, so she might also have or have had a family of her own at some point.
The simple reason not to show them with partners from a filming/writing perspective is that they did not want to bloat the scene by introducing new characters/actors that add little value to the whole.
She has no wedding ring, anon. Sure, all that other shit could be true, but how is that a positive?
I think the implication of the scene, given the "deja vu" that plays out with the storm and the coat and the power dropping and Hannah's dream is that it al still happens as Claudia said it would. At different times and in different ways, but they still do. It's a complex ending, but I don't blame people for it leaving a bad taste in their mouth.
>She has no wedding ring, anon.
True. But, again, she might be divorced. Doesn't necessarily mean she doesn't have children.
For me? It's Franziska.
Teenage Katharina is prettier though and teenage curly regina
>Teenage Katharina is prettier though
You must have had a crush on Kim Wilde in your youth or something.
She looks so much better without the e thot piercings
I like that kinda cute weird girl next door vibe from her
Frick you too. Go back b***h.
Frick off with your stinky drug addict ftm indian you fricking homosexual ftl Black person shill.
This is a Dark thread. FRICK. OFF.
No
Based dubs, chkd.
Frick jannies
Frick troons
Frick Black folk
Frick fishtank
Frick Scam Hyde/Jason Goldisraeliter
Frick israelites
And frick simps
Jesus Christ had it easy compared to what Brigitte endured
Für mich ist es die junge Hannah
Basiert und rotpilliert
Ich kann sie reparieren.
He won
yana
stoßen