How about just explaining to casuals like me how we went from black Spiderman to ghetto offensive Thor. Will this character ever have his own identity or is his whole theme being a racebent version of more popular white characters?
Well, dumbass, there’s this thing called the Multiverse and this concept called What If…? in Marvel comics. When out together, you get alternative versions of characters from other worlds. Like what if Miles had been Thor instead of Spider-man. Now please do go on and keep whining about things you don’t understand and being angry at tropes and things that have existed for decades because suddenly it’s bad because it involves someone who is *gasp* black.
I think the crux affecting Miles reputation is that this WhatIf exposes that the character has had very little that's unique to him.
This Thor of the Hood had nothing in common with Miles besides having an evil uncle. But when you think about it you realize the character of Miles has existed without creating more of an impression.
This entire What If series is about doing multiple different versions of Miles and explore how his family connections impact his life in different circumstances. What is wrong with that? All these threads prove is how much people seethe over Miles simply existing and how triggered people are about black people. It’s especially telling how you had multiple issues before this one come out and nobody cared but now this one has people whining about it nonstop, because it’s about Miles as a Thor avatar.
What If is supposed to be shit like "What if Miles picked up Thor's hammer?" not "What if literally every character in the story was entirely different and we just slot Miles Morales and his supporting cast into the roles of Thor characters and had these shit-awful rhymes?"
What Ifs can be about anything. Including what if Miles was Thor in this blaxploitation Asgard.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't think there's any problem with it just that this issue sucks shit and deserves every mocking it gets
2 years ago
Anonymous
>What Ifs can be about anything.
And they shouldn't be about things so stupid that it detracts from the possible enjoyment of the work such as: What if Asgard was Harlem? And frankly there shouldn't be anything about miles because he still doesn't have a fricking personality of his own to work with. You can't say its 'what if miles were thor' because you can't tell its miles morales rather than just black thor. None of the characters were of his supporting cast, he acted nothing like miles nor modern thor, its literally just >what if I made Thor as stereotypically black as possible up to a completely uncaring father?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>And they shouldn't be about things so stupid
How is it stupid to reimagine Miles’ family and surroundings in Asgardian context? It’s a What If story. It’s a serviceable Thor story.
>And frankly there shouldn't be anything about miles because he still doesn't have a fricking personality of his own to work with.
So now you just want to continue whining about Miles existing, period.
>You can't say its 'what if miles were thor' because you can't tell its miles morales rather than just black thor.
You can, because the story is about his complicated relationship with his uncle, who is a supervillain and important aspect of Miles’ character and background. It also doesn’t need to generally be exactly like normal Miles because again, the point is to play around with Miles being other characters and explore how his family is a fundamentally important thing about defining the character.
>None of the characters were of his supporting cast
The majority of the story involves Miles dealing with his uncle, who plays the part of Loki. The other supporting cast that there is in the story is largely irrelevant apart from being a transition to the actual plot of Loki tricking Thor to do his bidding.
>what if I made Thor as stereotypically black as possible up to a completely uncaring father?
Odin has always been an butthole father. The story is over the top, but it’s intentionally being that. It’s not pushing a negative stereotype.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't have any problem with black Marvel characters. I'm just angry Miles is always being used to subvert white characters. It's not the characters fault, but bad non-black writers who are using him for some other agenda and to demoralize white men.
If you like Miles, that's fine. Unfortunately, Miles, a fictional black man, is the one that often gets the hate when all of it should be directed at pasty "israeli spanish" subverters, like pic related.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I'm just angry Miles is always being used to subvert white characters.
Wow, white fragility is stunningly embarrassing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I apologize. I thought you were black. If you're just another merchant, have fun with him. It's not like whites read comics anymore.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It's not the characters fault
What character? He gets written as a stereotypical black man as Thor because he doesn't actually have consistent character traits in the comics.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Or, you know, being Thor all his life in this alternative world means he’s very different type of person JUST LIKE MOST ALT.VERSIONS ARE.
What If is supposed to be shit like "What if Miles picked up Thor's hammer?" not "What if literally every character in the story was entirely different and we just slot Miles Morales and his supporting cast into the roles of Thor characters and had these shit-awful rhymes?"
Let's see.
We could start with the fact that Miles was never anything more than a publicity stunt for Bendis to get royalties and attract attention to dying thanks to people losing interest after Loeb's shitshow Ultimate Comics line. He's shallow by definition.
>Can someone explain to me how we got to this point?
Bendis writing him as hispanic and then "forgetting" because Trey-Trey got blown the frick out.
This mexican israelite writer going so far in the black direction is just a remarkable twist of irony.
Wait, Bendis? The Bendis who once made some great storylines? I don't know about the storylines part I just heard about it somewhere but if this is what Bendis has become, that is sad.
I'm afraid I am talking out of my ass but I hope you get the idea anons.
>Disney doesn't want to pay creators who create wholly new characters/writers and artists know enough to not try to put their true passion projects into the big two >diversity is in >two and two together >+ doubling down on it
If it were up to me, I'd remove the venom blast so that Miles has to rely entirely on his stealth cloaking ability, downplay his webs so that he uses parkour more, change his name to Shadow Spider or something like that, and make him a weeb that likes anime and tcgs.
>This book is $25 at my LCS
I was going to call bullshit on that price point but now that I think about it the controversy has probably turned it into a collector's item because Cinemaphile slash outrage twitter can't wrap their heads around the concept of the Streisand Effect.
>marvel puts the blackest stereotypes they can think of >do the same thing for gay spidey (think, has to be flamboyant/feminine etc)
So cringe bros. Gay people need real representation
the final nail in the coffin of miles morales as a character
which is to say, he's not
Can someone explain to me how we got to this point?
Not without triggering OP and getting banned for a rule 3 violation.
I broke no rules, just think it's time for another round
How about just explaining to casuals like me how we went from black Spiderman to ghetto offensive Thor. Will this character ever have his own identity or is his whole theme being a racebent version of more popular white characters?
>How about just explaining to casuals like me how we went from black Spiderman to ghetto offensive Thor
White writer.
They just can't help themselves.
Sorry sweaty, this one's a proud hispanic israelite.
That's only not white to other whites.
>White writer
He's a israelite. They will preted to be white, but they are israelites.
I think they prefer not to be considered as white
Well, dumbass, there’s this thing called the Multiverse and this concept called What If…? in Marvel comics. When out together, you get alternative versions of characters from other worlds. Like what if Miles had been Thor instead of Spider-man. Now please do go on and keep whining about things you don’t understand and being angry at tropes and things that have existed for decades because suddenly it’s bad because it involves someone who is *gasp* black.
I think the crux affecting Miles reputation is that this WhatIf exposes that the character has had very little that's unique to him.
This Thor of the Hood had nothing in common with Miles besides having an evil uncle. But when you think about it you realize the character of Miles has existed without creating more of an impression.
This entire What If series is about doing multiple different versions of Miles and explore how his family connections impact his life in different circumstances. What is wrong with that? All these threads prove is how much people seethe over Miles simply existing and how triggered people are about black people. It’s especially telling how you had multiple issues before this one come out and nobody cared but now this one has people whining about it nonstop, because it’s about Miles as a Thor avatar.
What Ifs can be about anything. Including what if Miles was Thor in this blaxploitation Asgard.
I don't think there's any problem with it just that this issue sucks shit and deserves every mocking it gets
>What Ifs can be about anything.
And they shouldn't be about things so stupid that it detracts from the possible enjoyment of the work such as: What if Asgard was Harlem? And frankly there shouldn't be anything about miles because he still doesn't have a fricking personality of his own to work with. You can't say its 'what if miles were thor' because you can't tell its miles morales rather than just black thor. None of the characters were of his supporting cast, he acted nothing like miles nor modern thor, its literally just
>what if I made Thor as stereotypically black as possible up to a completely uncaring father?
>And they shouldn't be about things so stupid
How is it stupid to reimagine Miles’ family and surroundings in Asgardian context? It’s a What If story. It’s a serviceable Thor story.
>And frankly there shouldn't be anything about miles because he still doesn't have a fricking personality of his own to work with.
So now you just want to continue whining about Miles existing, period.
>You can't say its 'what if miles were thor' because you can't tell its miles morales rather than just black thor.
You can, because the story is about his complicated relationship with his uncle, who is a supervillain and important aspect of Miles’ character and background. It also doesn’t need to generally be exactly like normal Miles because again, the point is to play around with Miles being other characters and explore how his family is a fundamentally important thing about defining the character.
>None of the characters were of his supporting cast
The majority of the story involves Miles dealing with his uncle, who plays the part of Loki. The other supporting cast that there is in the story is largely irrelevant apart from being a transition to the actual plot of Loki tricking Thor to do his bidding.
>what if I made Thor as stereotypically black as possible up to a completely uncaring father?
Odin has always been an butthole father. The story is over the top, but it’s intentionally being that. It’s not pushing a negative stereotype.
I don't have any problem with black Marvel characters. I'm just angry Miles is always being used to subvert white characters. It's not the characters fault, but bad non-black writers who are using him for some other agenda and to demoralize white men.
If you like Miles, that's fine. Unfortunately, Miles, a fictional black man, is the one that often gets the hate when all of it should be directed at pasty "israeli spanish" subverters, like pic related.
>I'm just angry Miles is always being used to subvert white characters.
Wow, white fragility is stunningly embarrassing.
I apologize. I thought you were black. If you're just another merchant, have fun with him. It's not like whites read comics anymore.
>It's not the characters fault
What character? He gets written as a stereotypical black man as Thor because he doesn't actually have consistent character traits in the comics.
Or, you know, being Thor all his life in this alternative world means he’s very different type of person JUST LIKE MOST ALT.VERSIONS ARE.
What If is supposed to be shit like "What if Miles picked up Thor's hammer?" not "What if literally every character in the story was entirely different and we just slot Miles Morales and his supporting cast into the roles of Thor characters and had these shit-awful rhymes?"
moronic take, it belongs here on Cinemaphile
Let's see.
We could start with the fact that Miles was never anything more than a publicity stunt for Bendis to get royalties and attract attention to dying thanks to people losing interest after Loeb's shitshow Ultimate Comics line. He's shallow by definition.
>Can someone explain to me how we got to this point?
Bendis writing him as hispanic and then "forgetting" because Trey-Trey got blown the frick out.
This mexican israelite writer going so far in the black direction is just a remarkable twist of irony.
Wait, Bendis? The Bendis who once made some great storylines? I don't know about the storylines part I just heard about it somewhere but if this is what Bendis has become, that is sad.
I'm afraid I am talking out of my ass but I hope you get the idea anons.
Shitty comic broke a shcizo's brain now he must post about it until something else breaks his brain
My name is Thor and I'm here to say
I'm going to rap to the beat in a rapping way
>Disney doesn't want to pay creators who create wholly new characters/writers and artists know enough to not try to put their true passion projects into the big two
>diversity is in
>two and two together
>+ doubling down on it
If it were up to me, I'd remove the venom blast so that Miles has to rely entirely on his stealth cloaking ability, downplay his webs so that he uses parkour more, change his name to Shadow Spider or something like that, and make him a weeb that likes anime and tcgs.
This book is $25 at my LCS and it's not even canon. You dumbasses are annoying and ruin everything.
>This book is $25 at my LCS
I was going to call bullshit on that price point but now that I think about it the controversy has probably turned it into a collector's item because Cinemaphile slash outrage twitter can't wrap their heads around the concept of the Streisand Effect.
>marvel puts the blackest stereotypes they can think of
>do the same thing for gay spidey (think, has to be flamboyant/feminine etc)
So cringe bros. Gay people need real representation
Oh, great. The backwards-bending apologist is back.
Huzzah.
>It's time
>Let's go
Is it really that easy to make a popular bait thread? Should we make it a tradition now? How does Monday Miles Thread sound like?
Sounds like we'd have 86% fewer Miles threads if we limited the bait to a single monday general
>thread will die out in less than 50 replies
Impressive, Cinemaphile
>didn't sage
moron
>thread will die out in less than 50 replies
lol no, if it's anything like the last dozen or so, OP will keep necobumping it
why is obama drivng a mule cart?