>The villain won... in another universe >Oh but that universe is actually the original universe, the one we've been in since season 4 is the ACTUAL alternate universe, where he didn't win
If you rewatch Finn The Human, Prismo confirmed the Lich's wish alterated the timeline, the Lich was specific in his wish. The original universe from seasons 1-4 was completely erased. Everyone died.
[...] >What happened to Finn? >When FInn wished the Lich never existed, he entered his wish altered reality
>Farmworld Finn boning Huntress and naming his children after the Pillow World family isn't a coincidence, since it's the same guy >even has children very similar to Stormo and Neptr
That's kind of fricked when you think about it. At least he got a happy ending, but damn.
Not the only time that we've seen fricked shenanigans either related to Prismo. Don't forget that Fern's whole existence ties back to a time diluted version of Finn being paradoxed into a living sword.
Finn has had at least two happy endings where he died an old man surrounded by his family. but those don't make for fun shows so we always watch shit life Finn try.
>Finn has had at least two happy endings where he died an old man surrounded by his family
Pillow World was a happy ending for Finn in that he led a full life. But as soon as he died GLOB came to destroy it, because it was probably an unauthorized universe.
It was a crossover, so Prismo definitely knew about it. And I wouldn't be surprised if he was the one that sent GOLB in the first place.
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Only prismo's boss has authority over universes. Golb exists outside of it
It gets worse. The original timeline Jake actually became Prismo's dreamer and the Finn created through Jake wishing to undo the Lich's wish became Fern. Both that Finn and Jake were then replaced by their newer alternate counterparts, with S1-6 Finn becoming Finn Sword thanks to the paradox.
No its not. the one hosting prismo is a jake from a newer timeline who's finn was stopped from waking him up.
I know you're joking, but between it persisting across several timelines and some hints earlier on it was there before this episode love the dynamic or not.
>>Oh but that universe is actually the original universe, the one we've been in since season 4 is the ACTUAL alternate universe, where he didn't win
I mean.... that's literally just Dragon Ball Z too
> Original timeline, Goku dies, androids kill everyone > Timeline we've been reading about was actually an alternate timeline all along
Toriyama fumbled the ball by not having the reason Trunk's warnings don't work because Gero witnessed Trunk's grandstanding with Frieza and did things a little differently than in the original timeline.
Isn't that what happened? In the original timeline Goku just instant transmissioned to Earth and killed Frieza, but Trunk appearing and killing him is what actually made the timeline shift. This is why everyting was different and different androids appeared when Trunks came back. He had no idea why 19 and 20 showed up instead of 17 and 18.
>This is why everyting was different and different androids appeared when Trunks came back.
Does it actually say that anywhere? I can't remember it ever being explained. Trunks realizing he fricked up so he could show off would be a cool moment I'd expect I'd remember. I don't know if it's intentional, but the way Trunks gets introduced like some crappy fanfic OC but then starts doing nothing but fricking up was kinda funny.
Trunks does have that moment of realization that his simply showing up created an all new timeline and this one is turning out different. He did mention 17 and 18 were more powerful than his own versions from his time.
Do not try to engage with Time Travel shit in DBZ it is headache inducing.
Toriyama just runs off peer pressure and what would be cool/make people make funny faces
I know this is going to be taken the wrong way but I seriously think it's stupid to take Dragon Ball seriously. I think it's a product meant to shut off your brain and enjoy the moment and any attempt or effort to suggest that there's something in Dragon Ball that reflects something teachable in a classroom like plot, character development, or foreshadowing is just the dumbest suggestion ever.
Dragon Ball is probably the most literary bankrupt product to have a following of millions and I don't think it's even close, it's the most masturbatory product in history that isn't porn. I seriously can't think of something actually dumber than Dragon Ball. I'm not criticizing people who like it, I'm criticizing people who expect more from it than fists and fireballs.
It did, trunks showing up altered the timeline some more. Gero learned there is a larger number of powerful people in the world so he increased the powerlevels to match it, but that made 17 and 18 less controllable, so he then invented 19 to be more controllable and his plan changed from there. Trunks commented on the new 17 and 18 were more powerful than the versions in his timeline.
I mean it's pretty clearly the same as Dragonball Z like this anon said [...]
The timeline in DBZ we follow is not the original, but an alternative to the fricked up future of the original (which Super completely destroyed).
Dragonball makes a little more sense when you discover in super that Universe 7 is actually the evil alternate universe to 6. All of Dragonball takes place in the evil universe where all Saiyans are evil, Frieza is the emperor of the universe and routinely blows up planets, Earth is 90% murdered by Piccolo, then 90% murdered again by androids. Blown up by Buu, and universe 7 is running low on inhabited worlds. Buu also killed 90% of the gods centuries ago.
Universe 6 the Saiyans are more normal mood to helpful, The emperor at least puts up a front of being a nice guy and doesn't blow up every world he finds, there is no Buu, but Earth still blew up in a civil war.
He's basically the anti-Billy now. After a long life of genocide, he realized that no matter how hard he tries, life will always exist in some capacity, so he spends his time sitting and thinking.
>*The Lich murmurs to himself as a young scholar of Golb and his talking squid approach him* >It's him! It's him! >I know, I know, be cool! >*The Lich keeps murmuring* >Man, I'm such a huge nerd for you. Please take us on as villain apprentices. >At what cost? >So that we can learn to extinguish all life, just like you! >Hoh, I want to be the squid version of you! >A fool's errand. >Heh, yeah. I'm a little squishy but I could do some sit ups! >Extinguishing all life is nothing but a worthless cause, hopeless as escaping a boundless void. >Huh, see that's where you're wrong cuz watch! >*The squid creates a tear in reality and enters the void only to emerge a second later stating that it was an eternity in there* >What do you mean hopeless? We just ended an interdimensional traveler's life! >And the traveler's legacy? Still preserved in many a world throughout the universe. Alive. >*Horrified gasp* >In olden days I was not so different from you. Motivated. Unbounded by mortal limitations. Adorned the remains of a long-since disgraced adversary. Even a malleable pawn I had. >*Induces various psychic visions of vessels he has controlled and manipulated, freaking the squid out* >Heh, I'm going to pass out! >For my whole existence I've ended all forms of life but like the end of life, its beginning is but a constant. Being the ultimate end was a futile endeavor. >What other way is there? >Nothing. Without purpose, only the void remains.
Haha, nice. It kinda sucks something like this can't really happen though. The Lich is simply too much of a force of nature to actually develop a personality.
Shit, I never really made that connection. That's actually really cool. Just two dudes who couldn't face infinity and had to give up their grand conquests
>nihilistic
Remember when the Annihilargh was actuated and the entire universe died? Ben didnt save the universe he remade it in the likeness of the one before it. He even explained to ppl in it that they were just copys that he made as the originals all died. A reality they couldnt accept and chose to ignore. As Ben gloated he drank a Mr.Smoothie which taste was altered because he messed up his reproduction of it.
It's easier to understand if the idea is scaled down to one person in a situation that involves it: the Cenobites from Hellraiser taking someone. A lot of people mistakenly believe the Cenobites can't see the difference between pain and pleasure, but it's not the Cenobites who are ignorant here: they've already dived into the deep end of sensory experience and what is painful is contextual. They're desensitised, which is how they walk around with gaping wounds while thinking nothing of it. They need to take people because they can continue exploring 'the outer reaches of experience', by watching what they do to others who have no concept of it.
The problem for any person they take is that the vast majority of sensual experience, is not pleasant. The Cenobites will push on anyway as explorers. A multi-verse is that: an unlimited number of experiences where anything that can remotely exist, does exist and will exist an infinite number of times. Existence is suffering and the parts we don't perceive that way are rare enough in a single universe, let alone all of them.
I think it's nihlistic if it's treated as a very much "everything you do doesn't much matter and you can be slotted in anywhere" like the multiverses where everything happens regardless and the best our hero can do is save themselves and go to the best end are kind of bleak. Like Rick and Morty or the One are bleak because it really reduces everything you experience down to inconsequential and the best you can do is "feel good about right now" >Your wife died? Oh well, I'll send you to the Whoville version of LA where you can meet the version of your wife that never married that counterpart because he's fricking DEAD.
Okay this is a thread to mention this in
Way back in the day (like the 2000s) I read this kung fu comic about a group of kids that decided to fight an evil corporation. However, it was a hilariously short lived comic because it played straight the fact that if a bunch of kids decided to fight a legitimate giant group hellbent on chaos and tyranny, they'd get their shit kicked in, and I think the second or third issue ended with them all getting slaughtered by literal stage-1 level mooks and thrown over the side of a cliff.
Does ANYONE know what I'm talking about?
Sweet P is just a Lich clone, not the PRIME Lich, but Jake altered reality Lich fused with the Guadian blood of the citadel. When Finn wishes the Lich never existed, it created the Farm World Lich (which eventually got the hand split into every universe in the multiverse). Other clones of the Lich exist because of Finn and Jake lol, while og prime Lich won. Gives more meaning to his evil laughter in "Finn the Human"
>prime Lich got his wish >replacement clone gets a redemption arc and ends up the mightiest her a thousand years later >Finn's recreation of the Lich managed to persist across all the multiverse
While only the original won directly, technically there's no BAD ending for the Lich where it simply is defeated.
I mean, his wish eradicated an entire universe. We don't even know how many beings he's killed before being imprisoned by Billy, and later on he also did kill Billy.
>Kills, and skins his greatest adversary (Billy) >Wears Billy like a skin suit >Wishes for the extinction of all life which kills all organic life in the known timeline/ universe except finn and jake in the time room >Wins, and sits on a massive pile of bones >Finn and Jake can't cope with the Lich winning and create cope universes in an attempt to undo the Lich's wish
Seasons 5 onwards is just one big cope for the Lich winning, duplicate cope universes
>Every single person besides Finn and Jake died with the Lich's wish >The "Real" Finn became Farmworld Finn, our Finn and everyone else in Ooo was created by Jake's wish >The only person from the original timeline is Jake, who is now dead >Not a single character in all of AT is from the original universe, besides Jerryverse Lich and BMO
Best part is, none of them will ever know
At the time of the F&C spinoff, Jake is dead. Considering that he was the only living person from the OG timeline left, every single character in Ooo currently alive in Adventure Time is just a copy, even Finn because his original self is Farmworld with his kids
It gets worse. The original timeline Jake actually became Prismo's dreamer and the Finn created through Jake wishing to undo the Lich's wish became Fern. Both that Finn and Jake were then replaced by their newer alternate counterparts, with S1-6 Finn becoming Finn Sword thanks to the paradox.
The way I see it, because the lich’s wish was retroactively changed, the reality in which all life we ant extinct is now just a totally different timeline.
If it was a timeline, the remote wouldn't go there since it's wouldn't be a separate universe.
Why wasn't the Lich just sent to an alternate universe?
Actually
It is an alternate universe. Ice King's Crown wouldn't have gotten it's gem back by that point if not
I think Jake's wish made it into one, perhaps even Prismo thought it'd fully undo the wish tho.
But once a drop's been made in the bucket it cant be undropped.
You think is a coincidence the universe rebooted just as before everyone in Coast City died and Hal became a villain? That is exactly what Paralax wanted, he redid the universe and nobody realized it.
So is this all headcanon because I thought this was just another wish reality that was made by the lich’s wish? I wonder what the writers intended, hopefully we get an answer.
>I thought this was just another wish reality that was made by the lich’s wish
It is, but it's technically the original Ooo. Without Finn and Jake's wish (Farmworld and "new" Ooo) this would be the "main" Ooo, but with their wishes is pushes it to being an alternative.
Seems like people are just looking for the saddest answer on this like they did with finn dying alone and feeling miserable the entire time after jake died
I mean it's pretty clearly the same as Dragonball Z like this anon said
>>Oh but that universe is actually the original universe, the one we've been in since season 4 is the ACTUAL alternate universe, where he didn't win
I mean.... that's literally just Dragon Ball Z too
> Original timeline, Goku dies, androids kill everyone > Timeline we've been reading about was actually an alternate timeline all along
Not gonna lie, I kind of like that sort of twist.
The timeline in DBZ we follow is not the original, but an alternative to the fricked up future of the original (which Super completely destroyed).
8 months ago
Anonymous
How many timelines are there?
8 months ago
Anonymous
In DBZ there's like 3 timelines IIRC >Main (The one we follow) >Trunks future timeline (The OG timeline, he goes to the Main to fix things) >Cell timeline (The one where Cell kill Trunks and steals his time machine which lets him go to the Main)
8 months ago
Anonymous
Why does it sound like lazy writing?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Well his former editor kept calling to complain about the villains >Toriyama: You’re terrible to say that, Torishima-san (Toriyama's first editor, up to 23rd TB). Right around then was when Artificial Humans No. 19 and No. 20 appeared. You weren’t my editor or anything anymore, but you specifically called me to say, “I thought that the enemies had finally come, but aren’t these just a geezer and a fatso?” (laughs) In truth, I hadn’t had plans for anyone but No. 19 and No. 20 to appear. But there was no helping it, so I brought out No. 17 and No. 18. Then you called me up and said “What, this time it’s just some brats?” So I brought out Cell. (laughs)
8 months ago
Anonymous
It lets you have your cake and eat it when there's nothing to wade around with it.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Every single person besides Finn and Jake died with the Lich's wish >The "Real" Finn became Farmworld Finn, our Finn and everyone else in Ooo was created by Jake's wish >The only person from the original timeline is Jake, who is now dead >Not a single character in all of AT is from the original universe, besides Jerryverse Lich and BMO
Best part is, none of them will ever know
>What happened to Finn? >When FInn wished the Lich never existed, he entered his wish altered reality
>So is this all headcanon because I thought this was just another wish reality that was made by the lich’s wish?
Yes
The guy in episode 4 wished for things to be quieter, so he got sent to a universe that was depicted as a silent film. He wasn't sent back to the "main" universe with no hearing or everyone losing their ability to make sound. Lich's wish created a new universe where all life just died instantly, it didn't frick up the old universe
That adds another layer here. Since we see Wyatt in the dead world during Together Again, it implies the clones can also end up living out the entire process of a person's existence down to the afterlife.
???
I thought that the timeline was retroactively altered again one the subsequent wishes were made. The lich made his wish, resulting in his branch timeline, then fin made his, then Jake made his, retroactively preventing the first two from happening. Whatever “prime” status either reality held was undone by Jake. Meaning those other two did not technically happen because of the discontinuity created by Jakes wish. They ended up being made two separate timelines all along. jakes wish reality is the “prime” one in the end.
>The Lich's wish was to send Finn and Jake back home >in this context it would count Finn as Jake's version, but a clone of Farmworld was created down to his conscience >prime Lich's wish was already granted, so a time displaced clone was the one who gave Prismo the wish afterwards (see a similar case with how Prismo even got revived)
This lines up as well with Prismo saying you only get one wish. Prime Lich already got his wish, and this reality existing proves it wasn't just retconned.
The way I see it, because the lich’s wish was retroactively changed, the reality in which all life we ant extinct is now just a totally different timeline.
this could also be true, it depends on who you ask. the entire show post-S4 feels like a war between edgy rick and morty nihilism and buddhist eternal-life stuff
That is what I thought always happened. >Litch made a wish that transformed the world, >then Finn made another wish that undid the Litch's wish that transformed the world into Farmworld >Jake makes a third wish that turns everything back to normal again
I never knew it made an all new alternate universe each time someone made a wish. Also the new stuff does not fit with the whole subplot of the Litch sitting around in Prismo's room for a while then turning into the baby.
It's not each time, only when the wish necessitates it. So Jake's wish wouldn't make a new reality. But yeah they very clearly changed how wishes between "Finn the Human" and "Crossover", so they could return to Farmworld.
If you wanted to bridge the ideas. Perhaps Lich's wish did make him that new reality and destroy the old Ooo one, maintaining Prismo's description of the situation. It's possible since we never hear the exact wording of his wish. Then Jake changing his wish, just prevented Ooo reality from being erased.
It's not each time, only when the wish necessitates it. So Jake's wish wouldn't make a new reality. But yeah they very clearly changed how wishes between "Finn the Human" and "Crossover", so they could return to Farmworld.
If you wanted to bridge the ideas. Perhaps Lich's wish did make him that new reality and destroy the old Ooo one, maintaining Prismo's description of the situation. It's possible since we never hear the exact wording of his wish. Then Jake changing his wish, just prevented Ooo reality from being erased.
Prismo can't actually change universes, so he just creates new ones when wishes involve changing the structure of the universe. In some cases like Finn's he just adds a new universe, in other cases like the Lich's he just decommissions the old one. It helps in edge cases like when Jake's wish requires his old universe to be restored
Man I'm kind of glad I didn't watch further than the light-hearted episodes of AT when it was initially airing and didn't invest anymore time into it, because all this lore sounds convoluted as frick.
It's not that bad in action most of the time. It's more a case where it starts getting muddy once you actually talk about the lore specifically, since you're moving from the realms of a structured show to all the wires from the show's creation process. Most arcs are pretty straightforward.
Man, I’m holding onto hope that one day, they’ll reboot the series and try to keep the wacky lighthearted tone throughout the whole show or at least make it about the adventures, not the drama
It's convoluted because it's one of the few shows to actually make an effort to minimize retcons. Almost everything has some in-universe explanation, even if it's a stupid one
Man, I’m holding onto hope that one day, they’ll reboot the series and try to keep the wacky lighthearted tone throughout the whole show or at least make it about the adventures, not the drama
Same with Regular Show. I wish it had just stayed the wacky episodic adventures of two stoner friends and the weirdos around them.
All the damn 2010s shows shifted around like that. >Steven Universe was globe trotting adventures where they raided ancient temples, collected magical artifacts and fought monsters, then it was townies and crying >Star Vs was wacky episodic adventures punching monsters in high school, then it was overly dramatic shipping and racism allegories in fantasy world >Gravity falls was wacky hijinks in a mystery and monster filled town, to supernatural experts stopping monsters and ghosts with their expertise >Gumball was wacky looney tunes kid adventures, then became heavy handed allegories for real life current events and commentary on modern things >Rick and Morty, was funny, now it isn't >Star Wars rebels was adventures of a rag tag crew, to how many clone wars references can we stick into an episode at the same time
Every one of these starts out fun and adventurous with episodic plots, then jumps to long form storytelling with annoying drama, crying, and shipping and they never ever end well.
A lot of people seem to think that the more heavily serialized a show's plot is, the more complex/exciting it is, but that's not necessarily the case
I'm sure some people will crucify me for this, but the same happened with ATLA. As the show went on, its plot become more heavily serialized, and it became less about adventures and more about interpersonal drama
Gravity Falls was clearly always meant to go that route.
Steven universe was to an extent as well, just definitely didn't feel that way since they fricked around with filler SO much
Star vs decided to become serialized super early on the second Toffee appeared (Even if they were writing by the seat of their pants the entire run time)
Feels kind of dumb to lump them All together as shifting around the same way.
Because that is the natural progression, once you got into something, you want more of it, more complex, more serious. You want to go somewhere with it, want it to go somewhere, rather than endless stagnation.
That is a modern thing. Before the late 00s, an episodic show remained an episodic show until it ended. They did not start out with episodic adventures and then go serialized in season 3 or so.
Honestly I feel it's for the best with popular series
At least they have an end point to strive for rather than running their wheels on sitcom esque plots that rot away until they're lifeless husks.
Spongebob, FOP, Simpsons, the list goes on.
Your tatses fricking suck. "Lol so whacky randumb" AT and SU sucked as and was cringy as frick. You have to be a braindead, emotionally stunted little homosexual to find them even remotely entertaining. The emotional/serious episodes of both SU and AT were the best.
>>Rick and Morty, was funny, now it isn't
there is an article with the degradation of this though, wherein it's basically harmon bringing more and more hollywood people over time causing roiland to become autistic and detached.
All the damn 2010s shows shifted around like that. >Steven Universe was globe trotting adventures where they raided ancient temples, collected magical artifacts and fought monsters, then it was townies and crying >Star Vs was wacky episodic adventures punching monsters in high school, then it was overly dramatic shipping and racism allegories in fantasy world >Gravity falls was wacky hijinks in a mystery and monster filled town, to supernatural experts stopping monsters and ghosts with their expertise >Gumball was wacky looney tunes kid adventures, then became heavy handed allegories for real life current events and commentary on modern things >Rick and Morty, was funny, now it isn't >Star Wars rebels was adventures of a rag tag crew, to how many clone wars references can we stick into an episode at the same time
Every one of these starts out fun and adventurous with episodic plots, then jumps to long form storytelling with annoying drama, crying, and shipping and they never ever end well.
>stuck by its guns and remained wacky until the bitter end >became widely hated for it
The villains won in the 2010s.
Man I'm kind of glad I didn't watch further than the light-hearted episodes of AT when it was initially airing and didn't invest anymore time into it, because all this lore sounds convoluted as frick.
>cartoons grow and change and progress instead of remaining completely static with an unfaltering status quo >you people actually prefer this
Holy shit. I can't trust anyone on this board. You're all fricking lunatics
>Same with Regular Show. I wish it had just stayed the wacky episodic adventures
When was it not this? Besides the relationship subplots it never stopped this.
The Lich? More like...STINKY b***h! Yeah! I said you mega turd! What are you going to do about it? Take a bath? You wouldn't know water if you were in a rain storm you stinky poop muffin! You're also dumb! A big stinky doo doo fart muffin who is also UGLY!
There is only humiliation for you, and only wokeness for your people. These lesbians are just the beginning. I will command a great and terrible fandom and we will sail to a billion boards. We will sail until every woman has been lesbianized.
Did you time travel from 2012 anon?
The only way this post could feel like a cringier blast from the past is if you dropped woke and just said the proper term 'SJWs'
Below GOLBetty and the boss. Have a gut feeling he could be usurped by Scarab as well with the right planning. Pretty damn powerful, however. Main catch would be if intercosmic beings weren’t affected by multiverse shenanigans, which as of right now is uncertain.
>te entire point of the show and Finn's whole story is learning to accept people for who they are
Did this homosexual even watch the show? Finn's grand character arc was about him self-actualizing, it was never about him accepting others. And the point of the early seasons was that there was no point. Magic Man's 1st episode literally spells it out for you at the end.
> Presents a totally out there concept that contradicts canon. > Gets mad when others don't like the concept because it contradicts canon. > "You people are so transphobic!"
>> Gets mad when others don't like the concept because it contradicts canon.
Anon, concepts and AU and re-interpretations that contradict canon come a dime a dozen. Getting upset about that IS kinda stupid.
Finn’s a masculine name, so I assume the implication is it would be changed. Now a lot of trans people deliberately go for different names instead of slight variations, but that’s getting into a whole can of worms.
You know, I never quite got whether The Lich was meant to be an entity possessing Billy's corpse like a spirit or if the skeleton of the Lich just so happened to match Billy's proportions for a skinsuit.
If this Lich caused the immediate destruction of all life with his wish AND it took place in the original Ooo, why did they show the Ice King hiding his crown, complete with his gem intact, in his drum set? That's where Fionna found it, and it goes against what happened right before the Lich's wish was made.
Couldn't it be that this is the main lich from the og(1-4) universe that was brought to another reality, similar to how finn to farmworld and Wyatt to the toon one. I just figure when ever Prisomo make a wish a new verse is made.
>I just figure when ever Prisomo make a wish a new verse is made.
I think he only do so when a wish contradict the time-continuity of an other wish. So this
It became an alternate timeline when Jake's wish conflicted with the Lich's wish. Before that, it was the main Ooo, after Jake's wish, it became an alternate Ooo where all lives ended.
It became an alternate timeline when Jake's wish conflicted with the Lich's wish. Before that, it was the main Ooo, after Jake's wish, it became an alternate Ooo where all lives ended.
Farmworld Lich got Maided.
Unless you mean his hands, it's hard to say how they'd react to meeting another lich, given his vaugely mechanical nature, perhaps the hand would just fuse with the main lich of that world.
The Lich intended to join forces with Sweet Pea, as "twin kings of ruin". I think they'd just work together as one individual with a single ambition. However, the Lich referred to SP as a "minion" and commanded him to obey him. This could be because SP was only partly Lich and as such an "inferior", but it could also mean that the Lich actually sees everything that isn't himself, not even other versions of himself, as a tool to fulfill his goals. So there could be some conflict, if not for the fact that both want to destroy and not rule.
>tfw the term Nu-AT that Cinemaphile was throwing around in the later seasons was actually referring to the fact that everyone else but Jake was a copy of the original with but because Jake's wish monkey pawned this whole time. >this also explains why everyone is so damn up in their own asses, the moronic retcons and the zero fun tone >on top of that OG Finn canonically scored
S1-4 Chads won in the end hahahah
I'm not coping, I'm laughing my ass off in how Muto even allowed this to be an actual possibility and retroactively consider everything S5 onwards as an AU of the original >inb4 but Prismo told Ja...
Do you really trust Prismo? He was even unsure whether Lich's wish created an AU or not, He's too incompetent at his job, frick it, Scarab is right and we both know it
No anon, I mean you are coping with your dissatisfaction with the show, via looking for an excuse for it to "not be canon" after the point you grew to enjoy it less.
>"not be canon"
Actually it's more like >"not my original timeline"
S5 onwards doesn't stop being canon, but now we can call it AU garbage for the keks
S1-4 Finn had a wife and kids in Farmworld
S6-10 Finn has a stable and healthy relationship
S4-6 Finn is a victim of sexually assault by LSP and became Fern, this explains why he became depressed and evil
Yeah? Sociopaths can be romanced.
Marcy is just more headstrong which both caused the issues with someone like PB but also enabled things to work out in the end.
PB is a control-freak, but doesn't want to be controlled (see Ice King, Ricardio). Simps doesn't interest her (Finn, Mr. Creampuff, Braco). Marcy is exciting since she is free-spirited and outspoken. Daily and daily, she is slowly removing her free will and when she is fully in PB's grasp, that is when the Princess loses interest. Marcy isn't interesting anymore, her heart beats. There's no love, then a falling out. Marcy then will smarten out, and realize that.
Weren't they a couple before the show started, and then got together again? What's to say the won't have a falling out again, this isn't a cope I'm genuinely curious.
I'm shitposting, she was hetero and teased with Finn and was just rivals with Marcy before, but the writers turned her into a lesbo. I don't really give a shit if she was a lesbo or not.
Technically, he lost. However, his ideology basically won and then some.
>villain
>Technically, he lost
Go back to twitter, oh I'm sorry, I mean X.
He's referring to Toffee, dumb /misc/gay
>aksuhly
>The villain won... in another universe
>Oh but that universe is actually the original universe, the one we've been in since season 4 is the ACTUAL alternate universe, where he didn't win
If you rewatch Finn The Human, Prismo confirmed the Lich's wish alterated the timeline, the Lich was specific in his wish. The original universe from seasons 1-4 was completely erased. Everyone died.
So does that mean Farmworld Finn was the original Finn? And the one we've been with currently is just a copy?
Correct
>Farmworld Finn boning Huntress and naming his children after the Pillow World family isn't a coincidence, since it's the same guy
>even has children very similar to Stormo and Neptr
That's kind of fricked when you think about it. At least he got a happy ending, but damn.
Not the only time that we've seen fricked shenanigans either related to Prismo. Don't forget that Fern's whole existence ties back to a time diluted version of Finn being paradoxed into a living sword.
Finn has had at least two happy endings where he died an old man surrounded by his family. but those don't make for fun shows so we always watch shit life Finn try.
>Finn has had at least two happy endings where he died an old man surrounded by his family
Pillow World was a happy ending for Finn in that he led a full life. But as soon as he died GLOB came to destroy it, because it was probably an unauthorized universe.
It was a crossover, so Prismo definitely knew about it. And I wouldn't be surprised if he was the one that sent GOLB in the first place.
Only prismo's boss has authority over universes. Golb exists outside of it
And the Jake that's hosting Prismo is the original Jake.
No its not. the one hosting prismo is a jake from a newer timeline who's finn was stopped from waking him up.
No Jake went in first
The jake that went in first was woken up by finn. The original jake is not prismo
So that's why Bubblegum and Marceline turned into dykes.
I'd wish for that too.
>Jake knew both those b***hes weren't good enough for Finn so he made them unavailable
>Jake keeping that juicy human wiener all for himself
I know you're joking, but between it persisting across several timelines and some hints earlier on it was there before this episode love the dynamic or not.
...does that explain why everyone suddenly acts like the burnt out dime store philosopher that Jake used to be?
>the reason everyone got up their ass no fun philosophy shit was jakes wish getting monkey pawed
>honestly makes since for the tone shift (and massive drop in quality) the show had
>the litch caused the gay ship
Makes sense for Lich to be pro-gay. No offspring, no future life.
Truly the most evil of all beings
Wubba lubba dub dub
>>Oh but that universe is actually the original universe, the one we've been in since season 4 is the ACTUAL alternate universe, where he didn't win
I mean.... that's literally just Dragon Ball Z too
> Original timeline, Goku dies, androids kill everyone
> Timeline we've been reading about was actually an alternate timeline all along
Not gonna lie, I kind of like that sort of twist.
Toriyama fumbled the ball by not having the reason Trunk's warnings don't work because Gero witnessed Trunk's grandstanding with Frieza and did things a little differently than in the original timeline.
Isn't that what happened? In the original timeline Goku just instant transmissioned to Earth and killed Frieza, but Trunk appearing and killing him is what actually made the timeline shift. This is why everyting was different and different androids appeared when Trunks came back. He had no idea why 19 and 20 showed up instead of 17 and 18.
>This is why everyting was different and different androids appeared when Trunks came back.
Does it actually say that anywhere? I can't remember it ever being explained. Trunks realizing he fricked up so he could show off would be a cool moment I'd expect I'd remember. I don't know if it's intentional, but the way Trunks gets introduced like some crappy fanfic OC but then starts doing nothing but fricking up was kinda funny.
Trunks does have that moment of realization that his simply showing up created an all new timeline and this one is turning out different. He did mention 17 and 18 were more powerful than his own versions from his time.
Do not try to engage with Time Travel shit in DBZ it is headache inducing.
Toriyama just runs off peer pressure and what would be cool/make people make funny faces
I know this is going to be taken the wrong way but I seriously think it's stupid to take Dragon Ball seriously. I think it's a product meant to shut off your brain and enjoy the moment and any attempt or effort to suggest that there's something in Dragon Ball that reflects something teachable in a classroom like plot, character development, or foreshadowing is just the dumbest suggestion ever.
Dragon Ball is probably the most literary bankrupt product to have a following of millions and I don't think it's even close, it's the most masturbatory product in history that isn't porn. I seriously can't think of something actually dumber than Dragon Ball. I'm not criticizing people who like it, I'm criticizing people who expect more from it than fists and fireballs.
It did, trunks showing up altered the timeline some more. Gero learned there is a larger number of powerful people in the world so he increased the powerlevels to match it, but that made 17 and 18 less controllable, so he then invented 19 to be more controllable and his plan changed from there. Trunks commented on the new 17 and 18 were more powerful than the versions in his timeline.
Dragonball makes a little more sense when you discover in super that Universe 7 is actually the evil alternate universe to 6. All of Dragonball takes place in the evil universe where all Saiyans are evil, Frieza is the emperor of the universe and routinely blows up planets, Earth is 90% murdered by Piccolo, then 90% murdered again by androids. Blown up by Buu, and universe 7 is running low on inhabited worlds. Buu also killed 90% of the gods centuries ago.
Universe 6 the Saiyans are more normal mood to helpful, The emperor at least puts up a front of being a nice guy and doesn't blow up every world he finds, there is no Buu, but Earth still blew up in a civil war.
>The Lich got so bored after his wish was granted that he braided Billy's beard
He's basically the anti-Billy now. After a long life of genocide, he realized that no matter how hard he tries, life will always exist in some capacity, so he spends his time sitting and thinking.
>*The Lich murmurs to himself as a young scholar of Golb and his talking squid approach him*
>It's him! It's him!
>I know, I know, be cool!
>*The Lich keeps murmuring*
>Man, I'm such a huge nerd for you. Please take us on as villain apprentices.
>At what cost?
>So that we can learn to extinguish all life, just like you!
>Hoh, I want to be the squid version of you!
>A fool's errand.
>Heh, yeah. I'm a little squishy but I could do some sit ups!
>Extinguishing all life is nothing but a worthless cause, hopeless as escaping a boundless void.
>Huh, see that's where you're wrong cuz watch!
>*The squid creates a tear in reality and enters the void only to emerge a second later stating that it was an eternity in there*
>What do you mean hopeless? We just ended an interdimensional traveler's life!
>And the traveler's legacy? Still preserved in many a world throughout the universe. Alive.
>*Horrified gasp*
>In olden days I was not so different from you. Motivated. Unbounded by mortal limitations. Adorned the remains of a long-since disgraced adversary. Even a malleable pawn I had.
>*Induces various psychic visions of vessels he has controlled and manipulated, freaking the squid out*
>Heh, I'm going to pass out!
>For my whole existence I've ended all forms of life but like the end of life, its beginning is but a constant. Being the ultimate end was a futile endeavor.
>What other way is there?
>Nothing. Without purpose, only the void remains.
read it in Ron Perlman's voice, kino
Haha, nice. It kinda sucks something like this can't really happen though. The Lich is simply too much of a force of nature to actually develop a personality.
>only to emerge a second later stating that it was an eternity in there
hey wait a minute...
10/10
Yeah, I see the parallel.
Shit, I never really made that connection. That's actually really cool. Just two dudes who couldn't face infinity and had to give up their grand conquests
I figure that was BMO's doing
Yeah multiverses are inherently nihilistic so whenever a story dips into it its inevitable that the quality will decline.
It's particularly noticable with AT since the original show (esp the early seasons) were so light hearted
How are they inherently nihilistic? Ben 10 has one
Because ever since Rick and Morty did that people love to whine about it.
>nihilistic
Remember when the Annihilargh was actuated and the entire universe died? Ben didnt save the universe he remade it in the likeness of the one before it. He even explained to ppl in it that they were just copys that he made as the originals all died. A reality they couldnt accept and chose to ignore. As Ben gloated he drank a Mr.Smoothie which taste was altered because he messed up his reproduction of it.
Well yeah but that wasn't multiverse shenanigans
It's easier to understand if the idea is scaled down to one person in a situation that involves it: the Cenobites from Hellraiser taking someone. A lot of people mistakenly believe the Cenobites can't see the difference between pain and pleasure, but it's not the Cenobites who are ignorant here: they've already dived into the deep end of sensory experience and what is painful is contextual. They're desensitised, which is how they walk around with gaping wounds while thinking nothing of it. They need to take people because they can continue exploring 'the outer reaches of experience', by watching what they do to others who have no concept of it.
The problem for any person they take is that the vast majority of sensual experience, is not pleasant. The Cenobites will push on anyway as explorers. A multi-verse is that: an unlimited number of experiences where anything that can remotely exist, does exist and will exist an infinite number of times. Existence is suffering and the parts we don't perceive that way are rare enough in a single universe, let alone all of them.
I think it's nihlistic if it's treated as a very much "everything you do doesn't much matter and you can be slotted in anywhere" like the multiverses where everything happens regardless and the best our hero can do is save themselves and go to the best end are kind of bleak. Like Rick and Morty or the One are bleak because it really reduces everything you experience down to inconsequential and the best you can do is "feel good about right now"
>Your wife died? Oh well, I'll send you to the Whoville version of LA where you can meet the version of your wife that never married that counterpart because he's fricking DEAD.
And he also removed his pants for some reason, guess he likes being naked.
Adventure Time is doing multiverse shit? I'm glad I dropped it.
it was doing it since season 3
AT introduced the multiverse over 10 years ago at this point
Okay this is a thread to mention this in
Way back in the day (like the 2000s) I read this kung fu comic about a group of kids that decided to fight an evil corporation. However, it was a hilariously short lived comic because it played straight the fact that if a bunch of kids decided to fight a legitimate giant group hellbent on chaos and tyranny, they'd get their shit kicked in, and I think the second or third issue ended with them all getting slaughtered by literal stage-1 level mooks and thrown over the side of a cliff.
Does ANYONE know what I'm talking about?
Sweet P is just a Lich clone, not the PRIME Lich, but Jake altered reality Lich fused with the Guadian blood of the citadel. When Finn wishes the Lich never existed, it created the Farm World Lich (which eventually got the hand split into every universe in the multiverse). Other clones of the Lich exist because of Finn and Jake lol, while og prime Lich won. Gives more meaning to his evil laughter in "Finn the Human"
>prime Lich got his wish
>replacement clone gets a redemption arc and ends up the mightiest her a thousand years later
>Finn's recreation of the Lich managed to persist across all the multiverse
While only the original won directly, technically there's no BAD ending for the Lich where it simply is defeated.
How high is the Lich's kill count now?
Just OG Lich? Pretty much just a universe worth of organic life. Might go up though if he hops into that convenient GOLB portal though
I mean, his wish eradicated an entire universe. We don't even know how many beings he's killed before being imprisoned by Billy, and later on he also did kill Billy.
Maybe one billion or so
He didn't though. He got monkey's paw'd and fell into depression
>Kills, and skins his greatest adversary (Billy)
>Wears Billy like a skin suit
>Wishes for the extinction of all life which kills all organic life in the known timeline/ universe except finn and jake in the time room
>Wins, and sits on a massive pile of bones
>Finn and Jake can't cope with the Lich winning and create cope universes in an attempt to undo the Lich's wish
Seasons 5 onwards is just one big cope for the Lich winning, duplicate cope universes
>Every single person besides Finn and Jake died with the Lich's wish
>The "Real" Finn became Farmworld Finn, our Finn and everyone else in Ooo was created by Jake's wish
>The only person from the original timeline is Jake, who is now dead
>Not a single character in all of AT is from the original universe, besides Jerryverse Lich and BMO
Best part is, none of them will ever know
>who is now dead
what
At the time of the F&C spinoff, Jake is dead. Considering that he was the only living person from the OG timeline left, every single character in Ooo currently alive in Adventure Time is just a copy, even Finn because his original self is Farmworld with his kids
didn't farmworld finn also just die?
Potentially, we didn't see any blood so he might be fine
at least og finn that became farmworld finn didn't die a virgin and had kids
It gets worse. The original timeline Jake actually became Prismo's dreamer and the Finn created through Jake wishing to undo the Lich's wish became Fern. Both that Finn and Jake were then replaced by their newer alternate counterparts, with S1-6 Finn becoming Finn Sword thanks to the paradox.
And then Fern dies and so does the Jake who became the dreamer.
>OG Jake became Prismo's dreamer and died at the hands of the Lich
>OG Finn became Farmworld Finn
sad
How many "original Finn's" are there
No wonder things got so messed up for everyone once Jake died.
He was literally the center of that world
I want to frick that e-girl. Does she have a name?
Bonnie
Why wasn't the Lich just sent to an alternate universe?
He made his wish firrst, bro.
If it was a timeline, the remote wouldn't go there since it's wouldn't be a separate universe.
By timeline, I meant different universe. Timeline, world, universe, dimension, all interchangeable with multiverse slop.
>2023
>White boy fails again
Par for the course.
Actually
It is an alternate universe.
Ice King's Crown wouldn't have gotten it's gem back by that point if not
I think Jake's wish made it into one, perhaps even Prismo thought it'd fully undo the wish tho.
But once a drop's been made in the bucket it cant be undropped.
The moment you crawl into alternate realities your story is shit unless you started there or consistency isn't important.
Meant to reply too
OG MCU Thanos that gets beheaded.
WHAT WAS HE COOKING?!?
You think is a coincidence the universe rebooted just as before everyone in Coast City died and Hal became a villain? That is exactly what Paralax wanted, he redid the universe and nobody realized it.
So is this all headcanon because I thought this was just another wish reality that was made by the lich’s wish? I wonder what the writers intended, hopefully we get an answer.
>I thought this was just another wish reality that was made by the lich’s wish
It is, but it's technically the original Ooo. Without Finn and Jake's wish (Farmworld and "new" Ooo) this would be the "main" Ooo, but with their wishes is pushes it to being an alternative.
Why would his wish be the original dimension unlike theirs, that makes no sense
Because his wish was first.
Seems like people are just looking for the saddest answer on this like they did with finn dying alone and feeling miserable the entire time after jake died
I mean it's pretty clearly the same as Dragonball Z like this anon said
The timeline in DBZ we follow is not the original, but an alternative to the fricked up future of the original (which Super completely destroyed).
How many timelines are there?
In DBZ there's like 3 timelines IIRC
>Main (The one we follow)
>Trunks future timeline (The OG timeline, he goes to the Main to fix things)
>Cell timeline (The one where Cell kill Trunks and steals his time machine which lets him go to the Main)
Why does it sound like lazy writing?
Well his former editor kept calling to complain about the villains
>Toriyama: You’re terrible to say that, Torishima-san (Toriyama's first editor, up to 23rd TB). Right around then was when Artificial Humans No. 19 and No. 20 appeared. You weren’t my editor or anything anymore, but you specifically called me to say, “I thought that the enemies had finally come, but aren’t these just a geezer and a fatso?” (laughs) In truth, I hadn’t had plans for anyone but No. 19 and No. 20 to appear. But there was no helping it, so I brought out No. 17 and No. 18. Then you called me up and said “What, this time it’s just some brats?” So I brought out Cell. (laughs)
It lets you have your cake and eat it when there's nothing to wade around with it.
>What happened to Finn?
>When FInn wished the Lich never existed, he entered his wish altered reality
>So is this all headcanon because I thought this was just another wish reality that was made by the lich’s wish?
Yes
The guy in episode 4 wished for things to be quieter, so he got sent to a universe that was depicted as a silent film. He wasn't sent back to the "main" universe with no hearing or everyone losing their ability to make sound. Lich's wish created a new universe where all life just died instantly, it didn't frick up the old universe
Yeah, that’s what I thought it was
That adds another layer here. Since we see Wyatt in the dead world during Together Again, it implies the clones can also end up living out the entire process of a person's existence down to the afterlife.
It could also mean he found his way back to the normal universe, if he got to Prismo before he could probably do it again
If any of what you guys are saying is true, then the writers need to be fired, because holy frick, why did they make everything suck this bad
???
I thought that the timeline was retroactively altered again one the subsequent wishes were made. The lich made his wish, resulting in his branch timeline, then fin made his, then Jake made his, retroactively preventing the first two from happening. Whatever “prime” status either reality held was undone by Jake. Meaning those other two did not technically happen because of the discontinuity created by Jakes wish. They ended up being made two separate timelines all along. jakes wish reality is the “prime” one in the end.
That's what should've happened, but the writers are edgy nihilists, so probably not.
Here's how I see it.
>The Lich's wish was to send Finn and Jake back home
>in this context it would count Finn as Jake's version, but a clone of Farmworld was created down to his conscience
>prime Lich's wish was already granted, so a time displaced clone was the one who gave Prismo the wish afterwards (see a similar case with how Prismo even got revived)
This lines up as well with Prismo saying you only get one wish. Prime Lich already got his wish, and this reality existing proves it wasn't just retconned.
It might not prove anything, it could be an alternate lich wish.
The way I see it, because the lich’s wish was retroactively changed, the reality in which all life we ant extinct is now just a totally different timeline.
this could also be true, it depends on who you ask. the entire show post-S4 feels like a war between edgy rick and morty nihilism and buddhist eternal-life stuff
That is what I thought always happened.
>Litch made a wish that transformed the world,
>then Finn made another wish that undid the Litch's wish that transformed the world into Farmworld
>Jake makes a third wish that turns everything back to normal again
I never knew it made an all new alternate universe each time someone made a wish. Also the new stuff does not fit with the whole subplot of the Litch sitting around in Prismo's room for a while then turning into the baby.
It's not each time, only when the wish necessitates it. So Jake's wish wouldn't make a new reality. But yeah they very clearly changed how wishes between "Finn the Human" and "Crossover", so they could return to Farmworld.
If you wanted to bridge the ideas. Perhaps Lich's wish did make him that new reality and destroy the old Ooo one, maintaining Prismo's description of the situation. It's possible since we never hear the exact wording of his wish. Then Jake changing his wish, just prevented Ooo reality from being erased.
Prismo can't actually change universes, so he just creates new ones when wishes involve changing the structure of the universe. In some cases like Finn's he just adds a new universe, in other cases like the Lich's he just decommissions the old one. It helps in edge cases like when Jake's wish requires his old universe to be restored
So is farmworld finn season 1-4 finn or not?
No, its just Finn from the beginning of "Finn the Human" the time-room is outside the multiverse
God, the writers better give us an explanation for all this shit and how their multiverse work because it seems too complicated as of now
Man I'm kind of glad I didn't watch further than the light-hearted episodes of AT when it was initially airing and didn't invest anymore time into it, because all this lore sounds convoluted as frick.
It's not that bad in action most of the time. It's more a case where it starts getting muddy once you actually talk about the lore specifically, since you're moving from the realms of a structured show to all the wires from the show's creation process. Most arcs are pretty straightforward.
Man, I’m holding onto hope that one day, they’ll reboot the series and try to keep the wacky lighthearted tone throughout the whole show or at least make it about the adventures, not the drama
It's convoluted because it's one of the few shows to actually make an effort to minimize retcons. Almost everything has some in-universe explanation, even if it's a stupid one
Same with Regular Show. I wish it had just stayed the wacky episodic adventures of two stoner friends and the weirdos around them.
All the damn 2010s shows shifted around like that.
>Steven Universe was globe trotting adventures where they raided ancient temples, collected magical artifacts and fought monsters, then it was townies and crying
>Star Vs was wacky episodic adventures punching monsters in high school, then it was overly dramatic shipping and racism allegories in fantasy world
>Gravity falls was wacky hijinks in a mystery and monster filled town, to supernatural experts stopping monsters and ghosts with their expertise
>Gumball was wacky looney tunes kid adventures, then became heavy handed allegories for real life current events and commentary on modern things
>Rick and Morty, was funny, now it isn't
>Star Wars rebels was adventures of a rag tag crew, to how many clone wars references can we stick into an episode at the same time
Every one of these starts out fun and adventurous with episodic plots, then jumps to long form storytelling with annoying drama, crying, and shipping and they never ever end well.
Because aside from Rick and Morty, all of them were aimed at kids and then realized kids don't watch cartoons anymore.
Modern writers have incurable brainrot
A lot of people seem to think that the more heavily serialized a show's plot is, the more complex/exciting it is, but that's not necessarily the case
I'm sure some people will crucify me for this, but the same happened with ATLA. As the show went on, its plot become more heavily serialized, and it became less about adventures and more about interpersonal drama
Gravity Falls was clearly always meant to go that route.
Steven universe was to an extent as well, just definitely didn't feel that way since they fricked around with filler SO much
Star vs decided to become serialized super early on the second Toffee appeared (Even if they were writing by the seat of their pants the entire run time)
Feels kind of dumb to lump them All together as shifting around the same way.
Because that is the natural progression, once you got into something, you want more of it, more complex, more serious. You want to go somewhere with it, want it to go somewhere, rather than endless stagnation.
That is a modern thing. Before the late 00s, an episodic show remained an episodic show until it ended. They did not start out with episodic adventures and then go serialized in season 3 or so.
Honestly I feel it's for the best with popular series
At least they have an end point to strive for rather than running their wheels on sitcom esque plots that rot away until they're lifeless husks.
Spongebob, FOP, Simpsons, the list goes on.
Uncle Grandpa was better off cancelled
>stuck by its guns and remained wacky until the bitter end
>became widely hated for it
The villains won in the 2010s.
widely hated for it
I don't think it was ever hated.
Haha good morning!! Haha realistic tiger meme faces?! Woah radical pizza?! Why hate this show?
Every e-celeb was seething about it 24/7 when it was still airing.
Most of the hate for that came from it being a reboot of Teen Titans.
Also it drowning the schedule.
>The villains won in the 2010s.
Frick you there were tons of wacky cartoons, look at Gumball, Chowder, and Flapjack.
Uncle Grandpa was just shit.
The only man who could've stopped all this "serious" nonsense with true sheer cartoon god powers, truly a fallen hero of our generation
>People forgetting about their new favorite show
>Was basically a reversal of this trend
Your tatses fricking suck. "Lol so whacky randumb" AT and SU sucked as and was cringy as frick. You have to be a braindead, emotionally stunted little homosexual to find them even remotely entertaining. The emotional/serious episodes of both SU and AT were the best.
You are cancer and you like cancer.
so what you are saying is that you are a fat pink haired LGBTHGHFR gay that only wants super deep but safe and sterile children's entertainment.
Some of these hurt.
>>Rick and Morty, was funny, now it isn't
there is an article with the degradation of this though, wherein it's basically harmon bringing more and more hollywood people over time causing roiland to become autistic and detached.
>cartoons grow and change and progress instead of remaining completely static with an unfaltering status quo
>you people actually prefer this
Holy shit. I can't trust anyone on this board. You're all fricking lunatics
>Same with Regular Show. I wish it had just stayed the wacky episodic adventures
When was it not this? Besides the relationship subplots it never stopped this.
He won, but it turns out it wasn't worth doing in the first place.
He won, but his math was way off
Well...what is step #2 after killing everyone? what comes next?
step 2: ???
step 3: profit
Multiverses are for gays who can't commit to an idea.
Its industrialization of ideas.
Would be interesting to see how the multiverse industry started.
this is pretty schizo but i feel like this is an explanation that makes sense and keeps the 'original' universe intact
>original universe is recreated
so it's a copy, not the original
I'm thinking like it was just decommissioned or something
Jews.
The Lich? More like...STINKY b***h! Yeah! I said you mega turd! What are you going to do about it? Take a bath? You wouldn't know water if you were in a rain storm you stinky poop muffin! You're also dumb! A big stinky doo doo fart muffin who is also UGLY!
CUKOLD!
You will be alone, Chud.
There is only humiliation for you, and only wokeness for your people. These lesbians are just the beginning. I will command a great and terrible fandom and we will sail to a billion boards. We will sail until every woman has been lesbianized.
You are sassy, Chud, but I am beyond sass.
I am Tumblr, and I have come for you, Finner.
Did you time travel from 2012 anon?
The only way this post could feel like a cringier blast from the past is if you dropped woke and just said the proper term 'SJWs'
CEASE
What's his power level?
Australian
Is that why he's always upside down?
Below GOLBetty and the boss. Have a gut feeling he could be usurped by Scarab as well with the right planning. Pretty damn powerful, however. Main catch would be if intercosmic beings weren’t affected by multiverse shenanigans, which as of right now is uncertain.
About the same as Blueys Dad
>te entire point of the show and Finn's whole story is learning to accept people for who they are
Did this homosexual even watch the show? Finn's grand character arc was about him self-actualizing, it was never about him accepting others. And the point of the early seasons was that there was no point. Magic Man's 1st episode literally spells it out for you at the end.
Anon... why does the screenshot show an unupvote? You wouldn't have... a reddit account, right?
> Presents a totally out there concept that contradicts canon.
> Gets mad when others don't like the concept because it contradicts canon.
> "You people are so transphobic!"
Da frick is wrong with people?
>> Gets mad when others don't like the concept because it contradicts canon.
Anon, concepts and AU and re-interpretations that contradict canon come a dime a dozen. Getting upset about that IS kinda stupid.
so she would just go by finn then?
Finn’s a masculine name, so I assume the implication is it would be changed. Now a lot of trans people deliberately go for different names instead of slight variations, but that’s getting into a whole can of worms.
Wait, every time someone makes a wish they remember it when they arrive, as demonstrated by Wyatt. Why didn't Finn remember in farmworld?
>Male hero is made to fail so female hero can claim all the glory
Why does this keep happening
Are you talking about Fionna? Because she fricks things up constantly, thats pretty much her entire character arc
Fionna isn't a hero, thats the point. She thought she was but it's terrifying as frick and now she's realising the value in her old world
You know, I never quite got whether The Lich was meant to be an entity possessing Billy's corpse like a spirit or if the skeleton of the Lich just so happened to match Billy's proportions for a skinsuit.
god i hate multiverse bullshit. makes everything needlessly complicated and confusing.
If this Lich caused the immediate destruction of all life with his wish AND it took place in the original Ooo, why did they show the Ice King hiding his crown, complete with his gem intact, in his drum set? That's where Fionna found it, and it goes against what happened right before the Lich's wish was made.
because it would've been too convoluted for fionna to find the crown and the gems separately off-screen based on video evidence, duh
Thought it was a slightly different AU where the lich won.
Can't be. He's wearing the same Billy skin suit that he had when he made the wish. Why else would he have that?
Couldn't it be that this is the main lich from the og(1-4) universe that was brought to another reality, similar to how finn to farmworld and Wyatt to the toon one. I just figure when ever Prisomo make a wish a new verse is made.
>I just figure when ever Prisomo make a wish a new verse is made.
I think he only do so when a wish contradict the time-continuity of an other wish. So this
It became an alternate timeline when Jake's wish conflicted with the Lich's wish. Before that, it was the main Ooo, after Jake's wish, it became an alternate Ooo where all lives ended.
>OG Finn FRICKED
>Seasons 5 and beyond Finn that's a megacuck is a separate Finn from the original
Gentlemen? I think we won.
>Finn that's a megacuck
It's the same Finn, anon.And he was never a cuck.
i don't get it why didnt the lich hill bmo? he looks pretty alive to me, got a heart and everything.
also does that mean all the other robots are still alive too
Isn't Farmworld Lich still alive and kicking? What if he meets Jerry?
Farmworld Lich got Maided.
Unless you mean his hands, it's hard to say how they'd react to meeting another lich, given his vaugely mechanical nature, perhaps the hand would just fuse with the main lich of that world.
The Lich intended to join forces with Sweet Pea, as "twin kings of ruin". I think they'd just work together as one individual with a single ambition. However, the Lich referred to SP as a "minion" and commanded him to obey him. This could be because SP was only partly Lich and as such an "inferior", but it could also mean that the Lich actually sees everything that isn't himself, not even other versions of himself, as a tool to fulfill his goals. So there could be some conflict, if not for the fact that both want to destroy and not rule.
>tfw the term Nu-AT that Cinemaphile was throwing around in the later seasons was actually referring to the fact that everyone else but Jake was a copy of the original with but because Jake's wish monkey pawned this whole time.
>this also explains why everyone is so damn up in their own asses, the moronic retcons and the zero fun tone
>on top of that OG Finn canonically scored
S1-4 Chads won in the end hahahah
Anon...You can only cope so much.
I'm not coping, I'm laughing my ass off in how Muto even allowed this to be an actual possibility and retroactively consider everything S5 onwards as an AU of the original
>inb4 but Prismo told Ja...
Do you really trust Prismo? He was even unsure whether Lich's wish created an AU or not, He's too incompetent at his job, frick it, Scarab is right and we both know it
No anon, I mean you are coping with your dissatisfaction with the show, via looking for an excuse for it to "not be canon" after the point you grew to enjoy it less.
>"not be canon"
Actually it's more like
>"not my original timeline"
S5 onwards doesn't stop being canon, but now we can call it AU garbage for the keks
I mean, however you want to consider it anon.
I believe my point still stands.
S1-4 Finn had a wife and kids in Farmworld
S6-10 Finn has a stable and healthy relationship
S4-6 Finn is a victim of sexually assault by LSP and became Fern, this explains why he became depressed and evil
Can Finn ever truly win?
Finn really went down the chain with his major love interests
>Girl who's a Sociopath
>Girl who's Bipolar
>Girl who has Autism
It's obvious who would be the best fit from the start.
If it worked out for Marcy, was PB a sociopath?
Yeah? Sociopaths can be romanced.
Marcy is just more headstrong which both caused the issues with someone like PB but also enabled things to work out in the end.
PB is a control-freak, but doesn't want to be controlled (see Ice King, Ricardio). Simps doesn't interest her (Finn, Mr. Creampuff, Braco). Marcy is exciting since she is free-spirited and outspoken. Daily and daily, she is slowly removing her free will and when she is fully in PB's grasp, that is when the Princess loses interest. Marcy isn't interesting anymore, her heart beats. There's no love, then a falling out. Marcy then will smarten out, and realize that.
Weren't they a couple before the show started, and then got together again? What's to say the won't have a falling out again, this isn't a cope I'm genuinely curious.
I'm shitposting, she was hetero and teased with Finn and was just rivals with Marcy before, but the writers turned her into a lesbo. I don't really give a shit if she was a lesbo or not.
I really liked whenever they showed her being a weirdo, gives her more personality beyond "cool mysterious girl that Finn has a crush on"
>I uhh, I worry that hard meat don't get eat.
That line got me to laugh way too hard.
She's really just a weird crazy nerd like the rest of the wizards.
Forgot one
>Girl who's fat
Though she only lasted 1 episode
the avengers
>The good seasons of AT is its own timeline
Accidentally based