>jap hellraiser/evil dead

It just didn't do it for me, I knew I wouldn't like it, but as a fan of one piece, I actually felt borderline offended. The scene with roger is a fantastic microcosm of the issues with the adaptation as a whole

I mean, maybe. I don't think it should have been made period, and I've held that stance since it was even announced. I think one piece benefits immensely from the medium it inhabits and I had no faith in it translating to live action.
Call that prejudice if you want, but that's where I'm at

What?

>He got filtered

>who 100% deserves it.
Already explained why it's an illegitimate and illogical motivation
Guts has no reason to want to hurt Griffith since no one can wrong anyone else; right and wrong are arbitrary in Berserk.
>if you don't think that's good motivation, you ain't human
I would find it reasonable irl, where Good and Evil are real, but not in the fantasy setting of Berserk, where they are made up.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hubris

not an argument

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Griffith caused Guts to have to fight demons all night every night instead of sleeping. motivation better than any Shakespearian masterpiece: the man wants some fricking peace and quiet and he's gotta kill griffith before that can happen

>Griffith caused Guts to have to fight demons all night every night instead of sleeping.
What makes that bad?
>motivation better than any Shakespearian masterpiece
false
>the man wants some fricking peace and quiet
so?
again, the motivation would have no problems if the story were set irl. Miura torpedoed the logical consistency of his own work

>you don't know that getting no sleep is bad
i do. ergo, griffith is bad and must die.

several characters in the series comment in a negative manner on the fact that Guts cannot sleep normally, proof within the narrative that sleep is good and needed in Berserk, and griffith is depriving Guts of that, making him bad and in need of the aforementioned massacring. i'm only reading a word or two of your posts btw

>still means that "right" and "wrong" in Miura's world are manmade
You simply don't have the composition of Berserk's world correct. Nothing indicates the Idea of Evil is the central force, highest being, or controls every facet of the world. It is only a deity to mankind, self-inflicted, and they're not the sole inhabitants of the world. In fact, Femto's crusade is to make that the reality because it's not already the case. So, what you're describing is the bad ending the truly good characters will need to prevent.
The last millennium of human causality was manipulated to snatch the world from nature and make Falconia a farm of cyclical human suffering to fuel the God Hand perpetually, Femto is a controlled opposition recreation of Gaiseric, Void is the true villian and mastermind who usurped control of humanity from the previous incarnation of the God Hand, non-human deities exist and can be invoked, yada yada yada.

Everything I said has been directly hinted. Maybe not that Void specifically usurped control though-- but he certainly has the God Hand prerogative for a millennium. The Holy See and phasing out of old world magic and deities are his machinations. Griffith and then Femto are his catalyst for ultimate control, and most of his "utopian" designs are bastardized versions of things Gaiseric did. Falconia is literally Gaiseric's kingdom resurfaced from the Astral World. Any time characters talk about a millennium old legend it's a cue to recontextualize it with Gaiseric kingdom, downfall, and Void's rise in mind.

It's likely that the IoE has been controlling the world since the first homosexual sapiens, or maybe when HS evolved consciousness.
Before Miura died he showed the earlier God Hand from 1000 years ago with Void being the last member of the older five and also the oldest member of the future five.

Again y'all are conflating the world with mankind. IoE doesn't preside over the world until mankind are its only inhabitants. It only acts through humans (which Apostles and God Hand still are) and only physically exists in the world of Idea. There's a reason you need a portal to access the God Hand domain, why they had to merge the Physical and Astral Worlds, why Femto is going out and destroying every natural spiritual hub.

Yeah it's fricked, heartbreaking. Always hoped and believed Miura would vindicate himself and the series with the ending. One can deduce the direction he was going with it or the culmination from his final chapters (Femto's tear), but it's gonna suck not getting it communicated properly. There'll always be an air of mystery as to what his true intentions were and how loose threads were meant to be tied.

i've been saying this since forever. I don't think his action scenes are good because of this.

>Yeah, I think I agree but not having any outside influence from a benevolent god still paints an ugly picture.
I still think it's a hopeful vision. Ultimately, hell derives everything is has from humanity and its beliefs, so were people to change and become virtuous, it would bleed the ability for hell to reign

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>no arguments
got it, thanks
keep crying
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>NTA but my read on it is that evil is just a focal point that human consciousness creates
That still makes evil arbitrary
the whole reason Miura removed that chapter (the lost chapter, where Griffith speaks to the supreme being directly) is because it's the logical conclusion of all the shit he made up for his secondary world
>evil and good are both crap that mankind just made up
>so do whatever you want
Miura wasn't qualified to write a story tackling those subjects (or worse, he knew exactly what the result was and had to cope by de-canonizing the chapter and attempting to stave off the inevitable by not finishing his book); he fell back into the "good guys vs bad guys" dichotomy at the end of the day because that's the story he was qualified and able to tell
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>if you ignore that part
You wouldn't have to ignore it if the author was a good author, which he was not.
>it's pretty alright having Guts as this struggler needing to fine meaning in life and ultimately having to choose between love (forgiveness) and vengeance.
No it isn't. Guts motivation is inferior to Griffith's according to the parameters of the narrative. According to the fantasy Miura created, Guts is just a delusional moron being mad at fate because it "wronged" him and/or his buddies (when Miura already established right and wrong to not be fundamental truths), while Griffith is someone who chose to be its master for his own sake, the only cause that actually matters there.
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still means that "right" and "wrong" in Miura's world are manmade

>That still makes evil arbitrary
I mean, our concepts of good and evil are derived from what helps us live our lives effectively. Semetic religions for example demonize pork consumption because pigs carry numerous parasites that infect humans. There's a practical basis for almost every belief

>n real life, Good and Evil are based on God. God is good; what goes against God is evil. God is uncreated and these truths are
Anon, I'm going to pause you right here. We are reaching a point in the discussion where we're debating subjects that have perplexed mankind since we could string words together. We are not going to make any progress on this topic, we are morons on Cinemaphile. It is legitimately not a worthwhile thing to debate because no two human beings in all of history have ever fully agreed on it. I respect your position, but we do not and likely will not find common ground.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hubris

The supernatural in berserk is literally derived from humanity empowering the concept of evil, there's no reason to assume that that exigent force couldn't be applied to good as well

Oh, my bad, I was remembering a different facet of the discussion I've been having

IIRC, as far as what's laid out, the supernatural aspects of berserk coalesced after the world formed, and there's little implication of an intelligent design to this world

>NTA but I already refuted your shit
Every post attempting to refute mine has failed and every time I've pointed out why.
Your refusal to acknowledge this constitutes an invincible ignorance fallacy. It is not an argument; I will not address the same fallacious point twice simply because you cannot accept that your beliefs concerning the work are erroneous.

>all speculation with no evidence
the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that the Idea Of Evil isn't the (most) supreme being. All evidence points to the fact that it is. It is literally the master of causality, as everything moves according to its plan. Neither of these refute that evil and good are manmade either.

>seething moron
not an argument. i accept your concession that sleep is inherently good in berserk, making griffith demonstrably bad for preventing guts from sleeping.

>still crying that his "muh sleep" comparison got instantly btfo'd
lmfaoo argument by assertion again. fallacy
stay mad

>the burden of proof is on you
You're dumb as frick to think you weren't the one making all the initial claims with zero evidence.
It's you whose assumption that it is supreme or omnipotent is completely unfounded, and I could go on endlessly how the story points to the contrary.
Every bit about causality, destiny, fate has always been on the topic of MANKIND. Even the introductory bit of narration establishes this. If it already controlled the world defiance wouldn't make sense, the Interstice's benefits wouldn't make sense, non-humans ignoring and disrupting woven causality wouldn't make sense, Femto's reincarnation and merging of the worlds wouldn't be necessary, the IoE only existing as an idea and only being able to act through humanity wouldn't make sense, Femto needing to go around and destroy non-human spiritual hubs wouldn't make sense, other deities like the Four Kings of the World wouldn't make sense, etc.
In fact, the existence and description of the Four Kings of the World implies they supersede the abilities of the Idea of Evil by directly governing physical aspects of the world., and invoking them has always been successful in warding off any matter of evil.

>did we ever get the rundown on what happens to the unassociated? that's the real question

No, we never did, even at the end of Miura's life. We see Mule directly confront Griffith on this too, asking where exactly do those clusters of lights go. Clusters of lights that happened to be assumingly good men who died, or women, or children. Griffith just looks at Mule, then gives him a nebulous, cryptic answer, that they "become one" somewhere. Of course, Mule doesn't understand what that means and asks if it is heaven or hell, but receives no answer that is definitive from Griffith, other than "you'll see"

Right away, we as the reader have visions of the Abyss, where all the evil souls become one in the maelstrom of souls, which is not a reassuring thought. If that's where Mule's going, he's cooked no matter what he does. It seems that only the best of the best get spared from the Abyss, like Flora did, as Miura seemed reluctant to clarify any of it on purpose. What else can we assume from what little we know? Scary

It's the author's decision whether to expose true aspects of the world through characters, too. You've only claimed unreliability for the scenarios that contradict your claims, and only because they contradict your claims. Of which,. as of now, are unsubstantiated and the text points to their contrary.
Your claim that the Idea of Evil is supreme and presides over all is unsubstantiated.
Your claim about good and evil only being arbitrarily or subjectively defined by humans is unsubstantiated.
Your claim about a system of causality that controls all things is unsubstantiated.
You still can't wrap your head around how if they already controlled everything, there wouldn't need to be any effort on the part of the Idea of Evil and the God Hand. It's baffling at this point. You just say "nuh uh" with no explanation.
Let me know when you can substantiate anything.

>The Holy See includes the Four Kings as angels, but the Holy See are just a machination by the God Hand and haven't existed for long.

The God Hand definitely are using the Holy See now for their own ends, no doubt about that, but from what little we get to know about the Holy See in the story from what Flora tells us, it wasn't originally so. The prophecy of the Hawk of Darkness was foretold by someone in the Holy See, for example. Miura never bothers to go into it, like who wrote it or why, but if a warning of Femto's coming and the doom of the world originally came from the Holy See and the benevolent Four Kings were its deities of worship, it can be assumed it was a good religion once

Also, being that the prophecy of warning was issued by the religion of the Four Kings, that would lead one to believe that they are in stark opposition to the God Hand, actively trying to warn the world of their plans and take appropriate measures against them. The Four Kings easily drowning, burning and destroying all things with an evil soul, certainly makes that clear by itself, but their followers being apparently given clairvoyant visions of a dark future by the Four Kings, which did come to pass, helps with clarity too

I can only find instances where they describe the Holy See as a corrupting force since its initial spread.

I've refuted everything. You've never once substantiated anything, lol.

Amazing. This is the best you could come up with. Obviously not applicable.
Again, once you can substantiate any of your claims, let me know. As of know I've refuted your claims. No one wins but you're a loser.

You've provided no evidence I haven't refuted. Not applicable. You're describing yourself, loser.

Your claim that the Idea of Evil is supreme and presides over all is unsubstantiated.
Your claim about good and evil only being arbitrarily or subjectively defined by humans is unsubstantiated.
Your claim about a system of causality that controls all things is unsubstantiated.
Let me know when you can substantiate anything.

Your claim that the Idea of Evil is supreme and presides over all is unsubstantiated.
Your claim about good and evil only being arbitrarily or subjectively defined by humans is unsubstantiated.
Your claim about a system of causality that controls all things is unsubstantiated.
Let me know when you can substantiate anything.

I accept your concession.

I'll give a you a little challenge. Quote yourself from posts within this thread where you substantiated your claims.
This is literal drivel:

not an argument
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>So he conveniently only knew about the rest of the plan.
That's the author's decision
>So characters are perpetually unreliable unless the information suits your assumptions.
quote me where I said that
>Like how the story demonstrates at every turn that the Idea of Evil and the God Hand don't have full control, and their efforts have all been clearly in pursuit to obtain it?
There's nothing yet that hasn't gone according to plan.
>Again, if they already had control, there's no point to the God Hand's plan.
Not necessarily true.
>Existing to protect humanity != one of them presiding over all living beings
it does actually
your only contention is due to an implication you yourself created
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did we ever get the rundown on what happens to the unassociated? that's the real question

So you'll want to look for posts that precede where I was the one who last meaningfully continued the conversation:

he doesn't know it all. His personal knowledge of the plan doesn't change whether or not there is one, beyond him.
So he conveniently only knew about the rest of the plan. Gotcha.
them simply saying that they do this does not prove that they actually do.
So characters are perpetually unreliable unless the information suits your assumptions. Yeah no I hear you dude.
>We're not going off of what characters say or think, we're going off of what the story demonstrates
Like how the story demonstrates at every turn that the Idea of Evil and the God Hand don't have full control, and their efforts have all been clearly in pursuit to obtain it?
>yet the Godhand/Idea's plan involves them demonstrating control over aspects of the world itself. Multiple worlds, in fact, since Fantasia is the merging of two worlds.
They don't control these worlds, they control their own domains within them. They don't control Fantasia, they're actively pursuing domination of it. These are fundamental aspects of the worldbuilding. Again, if they already had control, there's no point to the God Hand's plan. They would never have had to induce Fantasia.
supports that they exist to protect humanity
>>When it comes to living entities, King of the North presides over all living beings, of which mankind is only a subset
>lmfao
Existing to protect humanity != one of them presiding over all living beings. One implies subservience to humanity and being created for that purpose, while the other implies it's only one ability within that entity's wheelhouse. I never contradicted myself.

Juiciest concession yet. Have a good one.

Sure bro. See ya around.

pure unadulterated seethe

That's not me friendo. I gave you a chance to substantiate anything, you could still take it up if you wanna keep talking about it. I'm satisfied enough with your previous concession though.

Okay buddy just make sure to take your meds. Offer remains open if you're ever up to it.

Alright have a good one buddy.

Still going at it I see.

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Highlight of the debate

Is it from a different section of the story, or something?

I think it means "them (the four), and one (the Lady)" but I see what you're saying. I don't think the Four Kings were the main deities of the Holy See's worship, but I could see them having had a hand in inducing the initial prophecy.

I'M JUST A GIRL WHO CANT SAY NO
CAN'T SEEM TO SAY IT AT AAAAALLL

>do you have a peer reviewed source for me saying what I said

just quote the post where I said I knew everything. shouldn't be hard if I did say it (I didn't)

>the burden of proof is on you
You're dumb as frick to think you weren't the one making all the initial claims with zero evidence.
It's you whose assumption that it is supreme or omnipotent is completely unfounded, and I could go on endlessly how the story points to the contrary.
Every bit about causality, destiny, fate has always been on the topic of MANKIND. Even the introductory bit of narration establishes this. If it already controlled the world defiance wouldn't make sense, the Interstice's benefits wouldn't make sense, non-humans ignoring and disrupting woven causality wouldn't make sense, Femto's reincarnation and merging of the worlds wouldn't be necessary, the IoE only existing as an idea and only being able to act through humanity wouldn't make sense, Femto needing to go around and destroy non-human spiritual hubs wouldn't make sense, other deities like the Four Kings of the World wouldn't make sense, etc.
In fact, the existence and description of the Four Kings of the World implies they supersede the abilities of the Idea of Evil by directly governing physical aspects of the world., and invoking them has always been successful in warding off any matter of evil.

>the one making all the initial claims with zero evidence.
I never made a claim without evidence.

>the burden of proof is on you
You're dumb as frick to think you weren't the one making all the initial claims with zero evidence.
It's you whose assumption that it is supreme or omnipotent is completely unfounded, and I could go on endlessly how the story points to the contrary.
Every bit about causality, destiny, fate has always been on the topic of MANKIND. Even the introductory bit of narration establishes this. If it already controlled the world defiance wouldn't make sense, the Interstice's benefits wouldn't make sense, non-humans ignoring and disrupting woven causality wouldn't make sense, Femto's reincarnation and merging of the worlds wouldn't be necessary, the IoE only existing as an idea and only being able to act through humanity wouldn't make sense, Femto needing to go around and destroy non-human spiritual hubs wouldn't make sense, other deities like the Four Kings of the World wouldn't make sense, etc.
In fact, the existence and description of the Four Kings of the World implies they supersede the abilities of the Idea of Evil by directly governing physical aspects of the world., and invoking them has always been successful in warding off any matter of evil.

Really none of this contradicts the fact that the Idea of Evil controls causality, you're simply questioning how it does. The operation of its control is irrelevant to the fact of it.

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lel btfo

>t. ESL
Couldn't quote me where I said it, could you? Didn't think so lol
I will illuminate the matter, for your sake at least.
This entire ordeal that your tantrum concerns starts

>n real life, Good and Evil are based on God. God is good; what goes against God is evil. God is uncreated and these truths are
Anon, I'm going to pause you right here. We are reaching a point in the discussion where we're debating subjects that have perplexed mankind since we could string words together. We are not going to make any progress on this topic, we are morons on Cinemaphile. It is legitimately not a worthwhile thing to debate because no two human beings in all of history have ever fully agreed on it. I respect your position, but we do not and likely will not find common ground.

here, not in the post you quoted.
Anon's contention was on the idea that any faith can be correct.
his response to

>We are reaching a point in the discussion where we're debating subjects that have perplexed mankind since we could string words together.
False.
>We are not going to make any progress on this topic, we are morons on Cinemaphile
Projection on your part.
>It is legitimately not a worthwhile thing to debate because no two human beings in all of history have ever fully agreed on it
That is also false on multiple counts. In fact, religion is arguably the only thing worth debating or fighting for. Everything else except Salvation is ultimately irrelevant, and the idea that "nobody fully agrees" on religion is also erroneous.
Yes, Miura inadvertently generated fictional justifications for rape, mass rape, mass murder, child rape, and all the various other obscene events in his narrative with his idiotic insistence on his ultracrepidarian theological stances. His work suffered due to his ignorance.
This is a simple fact.

is simply seething about the True Faith, informed by his response here

>n real life, Good and Evil are based on God. God is good; what goes against God is evil. God is uncreated and these truths are
Anon, I'm going to pause you right here. We are reaching a point in the discussion where we're debating subjects that have perplexed mankind since we could string words together. We are not going to make any progress on this topic, we are morons on Cinemaphile. It is legitimately not a worthwhile thing to debate because no two human beings in all of history have ever fully agreed on it. I respect your position, but we do not and likely will not find common ground.

His projection was thinking I thought I had everything figured out. I never claimed that I personally had figured everything out. In fact, he admits to this projection via the wording of

>n real life, Good and Evil are based on God. God is good; what goes against God is evil. God is uncreated and these truths are
Anon, I'm going to pause you right here. We are reaching a point in the discussion where we're debating subjects that have perplexed mankind since we could string words together. We are not going to make any progress on this topic, we are morons on Cinemaphile. It is legitimately not a worthwhile thing to debate because no two human beings in all of history have ever fully agreed on it. I respect your position, but we do not and likely will not find common ground.

, where he states
>we are morons on Cinemaphile
He believes himself to be moronic and cannot fathom the idea that someone isn't entirely ignorant concerning the subject matter, even if informed by others. However, neither of us claimed to know everything.
My issue was not with
>a point that nobody knows everything
Because, as I said before, I never claimed that I, or anyone, knows everything. My assent was never to a "personal truth" either; my position is dogmatic and based in an absolute truth. Miura's failure is of course on his
>idiotic insistence on his ultracrepidarian theological stances
and his digression from ultimate truth. He dabbled in theology where he was unqualified (he acted as an ultracrepidarian), and his work suffered for it.
Seethe harder tho

>no arguments after your last cope was btfo'd
lmfao holy seethe

>ummm dude I don't care heheh nobody cares anymore bro
Said only after I thoroughly raped every opposing viewpoint

>Really none of this contradicts the fact that the Idea of Evil controls causality, you're simply questioning how it does. The operation of its control is irrelevant to the fact of it.
It controlling the web of causality doesn't substantiate your claims. If it only acts through humans, only applies to humans, doesn't apply to non-humans, is avoidable by humans, and there exists unforeseeable or disruptable planned events, then this web of causality is not true determinism and not an intrinsic aspect of the world.
Even the lost chapter itself describes it being artificial and only acting through humans. The Idea of Evil is not omnipotent or supreme, which is what you're extrapolating your entire argument from.
And, as I said, The Four Kings exist beyond the Idea of Evil and have power over it. They govern intrinsic aspects of the world, and are described as entirely benevolent. They have only ever been invoked against evil, and exist beyond humanity and thus subjectivity. This directly refutes your claims about good and evil beyond or that the Idea of Evil is the supreme deity.

Guess I'll take this as a concession. We already know it didn't act through Skull Knight-- Femto outright said he was relying on a guess. More importantly, you've ignored everything else I said, like the web of causality not being true determinism nor powerful beyond humans and the Four Kings demonstrating a Good more intrinsic than humanity and its creations. It directly satisfies the definition of Good and Evil you claimed doesn't exist in Berserk's world. You're incapable of substantiating your initial claims and now you're moving the goalposts.

's personal knowledge of the Idea's plan doesn't change whether or not it's true. If you don't know WHY or HOW 1+1=2, does that make it not true? lmfao
Ah, so when the story itself tells you what's happening you're just supposed to ignore it to suit your narrative. Gotcha.
>They aren't. They exist to protect humanity, but there's nothing to suggest they aren't also arbitrary creations like The Idea.
Nothing supports that they exist to protect humanity. As I've said multiple times, they govern foundational aspects of the world itself. When it comes to living entities, King of the North presides over all living beings, of which mankind is only a subset. You're just trying to constrain their abilities to suit your interpretation.
>In fact, if The Idea is a "high-level" or supreme astral being, and yet is created, and exists as one element of man's desires, it stands to reason the Four Kings are its weaker, and also created, opposites.
Again you're leaping to assume it's supreme which nothing points to and would defeat the purpose of the story. This deduction is completely illogical anyway.

Damn, lots of autistic struggling in this thread. I'm not even 100% sure what everyone is mad about. If there is objective good and bad in the world, dictated by a creator? Maybe, though one has to keep in mind:

>The Idea of Evil is not canon
>Miura is infamously poor at fleshing out his own world's theology, or anything else for that matter
>Miura is also inconsistent with his storytelling. He's admitted to just writing it as he goes along, not unlike Toriyama, so Miura putting any real long term thoughts into whatever he's doing was not the case. He threw ideas at his friend to see what he thought about them and then just put in what he thought the reader might like to see. Jar Jar, Sheev, whatever

The most powerful entities in the series is the Godhand and the The Four Kings of the World. The Godhand serve some unknown entity, they have power over souls that are similar to theirs in nature and can condemn them to the Abyss, while also having an ability to see future possible events, to some degree

We know very little about the Four Kings because Miura never sat on them long enough to explain what it is they do. We know that the religion of the Holy See actually worships them, originally, but that was lost to time. Now it seems Griffith uses the resources of the Holy See to push his agenda

Do the Four Kings have influence over you in death? They could, we don't know. We know that Flora when she died, regained her youth and also became a powerful spirit capable of pushing Apostles away with ease. What decided that she was worthy of that sort of blessing in her death? Something overseeing everything had to have said "This person did wonderful things, thus is worthy of a nice afterlife".

If absolute good and absolute evil didn't exist, then everyone regardless of what they did would just go into the Abyss and become a drop in the evil souls. Something has to be divvying up the souls according to what they did in life and giving them their reward

>We know that the religion of the Holy See actually worships them, originally, but that was lost to time.
The Holy See includes the Four Kings as angels, but the Holy See are just a machination by the God Hand and haven't existed for long. The Four Kings are ancient gods involved with all living beings, including non-humans, but their Holy See inclusion was done in a way to obfuscate their nature and conflate them with the God Hand. The Holy See don't need to be fleshed out much, they're just an allusion to Abrahamic religion absorbing pagan tradition to serve as foundation for a unifying savior prophecy, not all that important after it's already fulfilled its purpose.

>>You're right, the characters know everything about the story at all times. We as the readers can never piece anything together that has happened before.
You're talking about a God Hand member that personally knows the intended web of causality admitting he was relying on a guess. Absolutely dense.
that's the express purpose they've been summoned every time.
Pic related.
false otherwise fantasia wouldn't exist.
... According to what?
>You just contradicted yourself lmfao
Try and explain how.
>It has control over causality, as we've demonstrated.
And the web of causality only applies to humans and is fallible, which you've ignored how many times at this point?

he doesn't know it all. His personal knowledge of the plan doesn't change whether or not there is one, beyond him.
So he conveniently only knew about the rest of the plan. Gotcha.
them simply saying that they do this does not prove that they actually do.
So characters are perpetually unreliable unless the information suits your assumptions. Yeah no I hear you dude.
>We're not going off of what characters say or think, we're going off of what the story demonstrates
Like how the story demonstrates at every turn that the Idea of Evil and the God Hand don't have full control, and their efforts have all been clearly in pursuit to obtain it?
>yet the Godhand/Idea's plan involves them demonstrating control over aspects of the world itself. Multiple worlds, in fact, since Fantasia is the merging of two worlds.
They don't control these worlds, they control their own domains within them. They don't control Fantasia, they're actively pursuing domination of it. These are fundamental aspects of the worldbuilding. Again, if they already had control, there's no point to the God Hand's plan. They would never have had to induce Fantasia.
supports that they exist to protect humanity
>>When it comes to living entities, King of the North presides over all living beings, of which mankind is only a subset
>lmfao
Existing to protect humanity != one of them presiding over all living beings. One implies subservience to humanity and being created for that purpose, while the other implies it's only one ability within that entity's wheelhouse. I never contradicted myself.

>do you have a peer reviewed source for me saying what I said

>so was he planning to sacrifice them beforehand, or was it his horrific state of being that caused him to accept the price?
Was his state and his pride. Didn't plan on. There's an earlier scene where he mourns a young Band of the Hawk boy that fell victim to combat under his leadership.

i can understand that, even if i don't condone it. but he still took an awful sadistic pleasure in what came next, so is that just his true nature showing through or is Femto more prone to doing stuff like that than Griffith, being a top bloke of evil and such?

I think the idea is that Femto is heartless.

makes sense. when griffith is reborn during the makeshift eclipse, does that mean femto ceased to be and became one with griffith? or will Femto be there with the others if an eclipse happened after the rebirth? these are sort of less pertinent questions i have, but things i still wonder about.

Reborn Griffith is Femto + Moonlight Child, I think.

i could see exactly that happening, skull knight is basically "bad shit's gonna happen bro, you have no idea": the character

Femto is a completely different character. I would say its a shadow projection.

It's like those old serials in the 30's, but somehow making a live action show with sets, costumes etc. Can be done weekly while a multi-million dollar animated show with modern technology takes 2 years for 5 episodes.