And if it didn't always remove Katara's agency.
Look at all the zutara fan art. Notice how it's never Zuko in blue, it's always Katara wearing red? Like she gets subsumed into his bullshit.
it's important for the firelord to know that his bodyguard has good stamina and general fitness, so don't worry about why she's coming back so tired and sweaty
8 months ago
Anonymous
Okay but what about the smell of cum and all the white stains on her clothes?
8 months ago
Anonymous
the white stains are obviously just residue from their face-paint, and that isn't cum, the fashionable new perfume in the fire nation just smells like that
8 months ago
Anonymous
Would Sokka want to wear some?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Why does she insist on wearing her used prisoner outfit though?
NTA but unironically yes and I'm sorry your media literacy was so poor as to not realize it.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I'm sorry your media expectations are so low you automatically assume the hero will 'get the girl' from episode 1. Also, nevermind the fact writers have said there was active discussion as to whether it should happen at all. They're just lying I guess, obviously.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>M-m-m-muh get the girl
Lol, seethe you impotent homosexual. Nobody like your 'subvert expectation!' garbage and Kataang was confirmed episode 1.
Kataang was confirmed because a 12 year old boy was instantly infatuated with a pretty girl after waking up from a 100 year coma?
The special edition of the show with all the extra detail boxes on screen outright confirmed that Zuko was originally meant to be Katara's love interest. It was something they changed later, although idk if it was before or after they'd actually published the first few episodes.
I'm sorry your media expectations are so low you automatically assume the hero will 'get the girl' from episode 1. Also, nevermind the fact writers have said there was active discussion as to whether it should happen at all. They're just lying I guess, obviously.
>Also, nevermind the fact writers have said there was active discussion as to whether it should happen at all.
They never did that, you had both Bryke and Ehatz directly stating Kataang was planned day one.
What info box, moron? There is not a single 'infox box' showing Zutara in the slightest, you lying homosexual.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Eat shit moron
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Random shit on a wiki
So no proof nor trace of your mythical 'info box'?
Cry harder and stop lying.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Avatar Extras you dumbass
8 months ago
Anonymous
You mean the famed 'Avatar extras' you've been dodging posting or addressing the whole thread, you underage moron?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Be honest, do you even know what the 'Avatar Extras' are? Or you're just parroting what you saw elsewhere? Because those extras were NOT made by the ATLA staff, they were made by Nick's marketing team.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>made by Nick's marketing team
Sure, but are you honestly claiming that there was a vast revisionist conspiracy on the part of nickelodeon just so that they could add tid bits to the same episodes?
Do you know how dumb that sounds?
>Pointing out the obvious flaw in my delusion is trolling!
All I remember is 100% of the show being Kataang as confirmed by both the Head writer and both show creators AND showrunners.
The fact you can't even post a link to the 'extras that would totally prove you right' just confirmed what I knew: You're a lying homosexual. (No, posting a link to buy them myself doesn't count, moron)
I posted the one where they confirmed the zuko thing and you ignored it. Cope.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>I-i-i-i posted a fake low quality screenshot I got from a wiki and you just laughed at me!
And? Nobody cares that you're mad your argument doesn't hold up, coping moron.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>but are you honestly claiming that there was a vast revisionist conspiracy on the part of nickelodeon just so that they could add tid bits to the same episodes?
No, why are you imagining whole ass scenarios in your head just to feel better like that? >Do you know how dumb that sounds?
Obviously it's dumb, it came from you.
The marketing team looking at a fanfic graph of horny teenage Zutarians and trying to sell more by mentioning Zutara randomly isn't a conspiracy.
Meanwhile what the ACTUAL writers said was that there was gonna be a love triangle between male!Toph, Aang and Katara, no mention of Zuko.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Meanwhile what the ACTUAL writers said
One of the "actual writers" said otherwise in an interview. Hate to break it to you but Mike and Bryan weren't the only writers, and neither of them shat on the extras episode involving this info.
>Still no proof
There's no meds for the copium you're on.
I can't prove anything to the mentally ill
>All I claimed was that they originally planned to have Zuko be her love interest.
Which anyone who watched ATLA and actually looked at what the voice actors and writers said as well as the bits of the show's bible that are publicly available is bullshit.
Like we literally have the show's bible on both Katara AND Aang, yet there's no mention of Zuko as a love interest.
>Which anyone who watched ATLA and actually looked at what the voice actors and writers said as well as the bits of the show's bible that are publicly available is bullshit.
Why do you think writers can't change their mind in the creative process? Elsa was almost a villain in Frozen, Disney shut that idea down. Nobody disputes that. So why are you pissing and screaming over this?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>One of the "actual writers" said otherwise in an interview.
You mean the thing taken out of context 15 years later while begging for Super Chats? >Hate to break it to you but Mike and Bryan weren't the only writers,
And? Both Ehatz and his wife confirmed Mike and Bryan were right, it's the 4 highest ranked people on the whole project who said directly and since day 1.
Meanwhile none of the episodes the 'writer' worked on even had Zuko in it, at least none where he is even in Katara's vicinity, how the frick was he 'gonna talk' about Zutara in that context? > neither of them shat on the extras episode involving this info.
Why would they? It was Nick's thing, not theirs AND they already made their own statement.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Show me one source where Ehasz says he was always in favour of Katara+Aang ending up together. I don't believe you.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Typically on tv shows all the writers get together to hash out the general outline of the episodes. Even though only 1-2 people get the final writing credit, everyone has input.
8 months ago
Anonymous
How many writers did ATLA have? I doubt you can get the input of like 30 people on each episodes.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Nowhere near that many.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender_episodes
It changed a bit, but from season 2 you had Ehasz, Mike+Bryan, Elizabeth Welch, Tim Hedrick, John O'bryan, and Joshua Hamilton as the main guys, with a couple of assistant writers.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You can't prove anything at all to anyone, which is why you're a lying homosexual. A dumb one at that.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>You can't prove anything at all to anyone, which is why you're a lying homosexual. A dumb one at that.
You are the one in denial. Do you self insert as Aang or something?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Y-y-y-you destroying my random cope is denial!
Cry harder, homosexual.
I would ask if you self insert as Katara and want to frick Zuko but I don't even need to, it's pretty obvious.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>I would ask if you self insert as Katara and want to frick Zuko but I don't even need to, it's pretty obvious
Yes. Project more of your psychological failings onto me. We can do a case study in delusion. You destroyed nothing but your own credibility. Extras are canon. Nick owns the show.
>The third worlder think everyone here is like him
At least now we know for sure you knew you were lying and full of shit since you're trying to change the subject.
Maybe the hombre should learn how to spell.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>I-i-i-i can go no u!!!
Cool story, have fun coping after being destroyed.
Wait, canon? The thing where Aang fricked Katara? And Zuko was never her love interest?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Wait, canon? The thing where Aang fricked Katara? And Zuko was never her love interest?
Yes, that canon. Who claimed otherwise? Not me. Shame that you can't read English properly you fricking dago.
Keep projecting.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Damn, you're really running away like a b***h after being destroyed.
Glad we could establish that you were a moronic liar and Zuko was never even thought of as a love interest for Katara at any point ever. >dago
Nobody here knows what that mean except your third worlder ass.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Glad we could establish that you were a moronic liar and Zuko was never even thought of as a love interest for Katara at any point ever.
We established that you haven't actually watched Avatar Extras and blow smoke out your blistering ass.
>Nobody here knows what that mean except your third worlder ass.
I feel sorry for you. School down in Belize must suck eh jefe.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You mean the extras you couldn't post at all? Because you know you're wrong?
Nobody about your school life in the third world.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>You mean the extras you couldn't post at all? Because you know you're wrong?
I understand that you cannot read English text properly but this is deeply embarrassing for you.
Damn, the Zutarian Paco got so mind broken he started speaking his mother tongue, spanish. What a sad sight.
That's a really cool case of self loathing you have there Zapata.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Ashktually me bleeding on the ground screaming mean I won
You're so enraged and impotent, you can't even try to stay on topic anymore, that's hilarious, lying gay.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>bleeding on the ground
We don't have ebola outbreaks where I live Senor. Sorry. Que pasa?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Brain so broken by the humiliation and blood loss he's speaking spanish again
Feels good to win easily and completely. Maybe one day you'll get this feeling.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I already won. Halls of Montezuma and all that. You know the song.
8 months ago
Anonymous
No, nobody knows any of that, Paco, nobody cares about your third world 'culture', go invent toilets first. Or at least learn proper english.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Nobody asked for your entier family's names, Paco. Derailing the thread really show everyone how not mad you are.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>entier
Scoreboard.
8 months ago
Anonymous
0 for the Zutara Paco - 315 for the ATLA chads.
Happy to help.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Damn, the Zutarian Paco got so mind broken he started speaking his mother tongue, spanish. What a sad sight.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I've never seen someone out himself that hard before. You need to go touch grass if it hasn't caught on fire yet, ESL-anon.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>fire
You would know, given how obsessed you are with Zuko apparently.
Does he remind you of your lover?
8 months ago
Anonymous
So THAT'S why you have this desperate obsession with Zutara. Must be hard being gay where you live.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Why are you correctly something blatantly false?!
Because that's the normal thing to do? >Writers change their minds!
And? How is that relevant to the show's bible, AKA their original vision for the show that in no way mention Zuko as Katara's love interest? And nobody said 'we changed our minds', they all said 'Zutara was never a thing at all'.
No one dispute the Frozen thing because there are actual evidence for it, her being a villain was in the movie's bible AND the creators of the movie didn't come out and say it was false. Unlike for the 'Zuko was Katara's love interest' shit.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Esl go back to Juarez.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>The third worlder think everyone here is like him
At least now we know for sure you knew you were lying and full of shit since you're trying to change the subject.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Call others 'ESL' >Can't even use commas properly and fricked up writing 'self-insert'
The irony. The random reddit spacing doesn't help.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>m-muh ReDDDDDIT
I accept your surrender.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Get found out >Run away in shame
Classic redditor.
>I would ask if you self insert as Katara and want to frick Zuko but I don't even need to, it's pretty obvious
Yes. Project more of your psychological failings onto me. We can do a case study in delusion. You destroyed nothing but your own credibility. Extras are canon. Nick owns the show.
[...]
Maybe the hombre should learn how to spell.
>Maybe the hombre should learn how to spell.
Yeah, you really should, Paco, it's very embarrassing to see you make so many mistakes per lines.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>calls someone else Paco >repeatedly messes up his plural and singular usage.
Ok Diego
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Get absolutely destroyed by being called out >Try to parrot it back at other people in hope it hurt them as much >Still can't spell
Lol, Paco the redditor.
8 months ago
Anonymous
He really avoided you after that one, you must have really hit the bull's eye.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>reddit spacing
election tourist meme
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Muh election 7 years ago!
Redditor Cope. You're too obvious.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Nickelodeon what?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Suck a wiener
What info box, moron? There is not a single 'infox box' showing Zutara in the slightest, you lying homosexual.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>D-d-d-do like me!
No thanks but nice fake screenshot. Do you even know what a proof is? It would be the actual link to the actual extra, you fricking deluded Zutarian cuck.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You mean the famed 'Avatar extras' you've been dodging posting or addressing the whole thread, you underage moron?
Ik you are trolling at this point but it's literally official and if you actually watched the show back in the day you'd remember the extras episodes airing.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Pointing out the obvious flaw in my delusion is trolling!
All I remember is 100% of the show being Kataang as confirmed by both the Head writer and both show creators AND showrunners.
The fact you can't even post a link to the 'extras that would totally prove you right' just confirmed what I knew: You're a lying homosexual. (No, posting a link to buy them myself doesn't count, moron)
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's not trolling to remind you what actually fricking happened in the show where Aang and Katara were each other's only actual love interest and ended up together with Zuko never even acknowledging Katara's existence more than he had to.
Zuko would fit better as Aang's love interest than fricking Katara's.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>It's not trolling to remind you what actually fricking happened in the show where Aang and Katara were each other's only actual love interest and ended up together with Zuko never even acknowledging Katara's existence more than he had to.
Who denied this? I never claimed otherwise. All I claimed was that they originally planned to have Zuko be her love interest. Obviously Kataang is canon since that's what they went with. Are you ok?
>I-i-i-i posted a fake low quality screenshot I got from a wiki and you just laughed at me!
And? Nobody cares that you're mad your argument doesn't hold up, coping moron.
Meds
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Still no proof
There's no meds for the copium you're on.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>All I claimed was that they originally planned to have Zuko be her love interest.
Which anyone who watched ATLA and actually looked at what the voice actors and writers said as well as the bits of the show's bible that are publicly available is bullshit.
Like we literally have the show's bible on both Katara AND Aang, yet there's no mention of Zuko as a love interest.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Lel
8 months ago
Anonymous
Those helmets the FN soldiers had on S1 were cool
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Shyamalan working on Book 3 >Source: My ass
The cope is beyond the scales, especially since your own blurb directly state 'The two actual creators of the show who actually decided the plot said it literally never came up'.
it would work great as a classic romcom with a tittle like >turns out my boyfriend is the fire lord[demon king] >the fire lord wants me for himself >I will survive in the fire lords palace no matter what >it's a fake marriage! I didn't know I was getting in with the fire lord
Female targeted romance plot >Normal girl >Sees brooding guy >Think he's cute, is nice to him >He vanished >Turns out he's a king and he comes and takes her away from her poor life to be a queen >She uses her down home charm and common sense to help him rule
Something something
>book version not middle aged show version
"um actually that guy is an old, deranged, violent, horribly scarred psychopath you're not supposed to like him"
Female targeted romance plot >Normal girl >Sees brooding guy >Think he's cute, is nice to him >He vanished >Turns out he's a king and he comes and takes her away from her poor life to be a queen >She uses her down home charm and common sense to help him rule
Something something
Hey, wait a minute, isn't this just a Hallmark channel romance movie?!
Guy didnt know how to catch fishes. He would realistically be dead before the boy in the iceberg episode.
I think Sokka is cool and makes progress, his 'fans' if you could call it that are just annoying.
Lmaooo I was right. It’s always the self inserting homosexuals crying about people not liking them.
Add Sokka to the list.
Dipper
Finn
Steven
Timmy
Marco
Ron
Ben
Who else? That purple haired homosexual from Upper deck?
That manlet on OKGO?
Lance from Voltron?
>Ty Lee >Suki >Toph >Princess Yue
Sokka's a player.
You really picked the noodly armed dude who died childless, alone and a virgin to self insert as?
>Childless
Suyin >Alone
Not canon >Virgin
He fricked Suki and Toph.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Ty Lee
Pure delusion >Suki
Literally pegs him >Yue
She literally had no other choice AND still choose to die rather than be with him >Toph
She literally had crushes on everyone. >Sokka's kissless virgin
Fixed it for you. >Suyin
Not his child. >Not canon
Cope. >He fricked nobody
Fixed it for you again. His dreams don't count and neither does jerking off while Aang fricked Katara.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Sokka gays like you thinking their fanfics are real is why everyone hate him.
The creators themselves confirmed Sokka fricked Suki.
Cope and seethe.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Why does Suki dress like that then?
8 months ago
Anonymous
bitches love Zuko
8 months ago
Anonymous
well at that point, they were still hiding out in the fire nation
8 months ago
Anonymous
How does it explain the tattoos?
8 months ago
Anonymous
an important part of blending in, it's not like they mean anything else
8 months ago
Anonymous
tiddy
8 months ago
Anonymous
Improved.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>it's not like they mean anything else
Is that what they told you?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>hiding
Katara is literally brown with blue eyes.
She sticks out like a sore thumb. Honestly shocking nobody reported her to the cops on gut instinct. Weird oversight.
8 months ago
Anonymous
They saw the tattoos and they knew.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Ngl I'd be all over Katara's Mom if I conquered their village. She's cuter than Katara is lol.
8 months ago
Anonymous
you just know
8 months ago
Anonymous
>She's cuter than Katara is lol.
This.
you just know
>Katara's last memory of her mother was finding her freshly burned corpse covered in Fire Nation cum
8 months ago
Anonymous
Tbf Firebenders have the hardest orgasms amongst the four nations
Y'know I think I made a short greentext about this last year,I fricking lost it.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Ty Lee >Pure delusion
You seem to have forgotten the crush she had on him.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Ty Lee has a clear line on Sokka now that Suki is screwing the fire lord. WinWin
8 months ago
Anonymous
Sorry, the Kyoshi Warriors always follow their leader.
8 months ago
Anonymous
No, I didn't forget anything, Ty Lee never had a crush on Sokka.
She very vaguely flirted with him just like the Beach episode clearly stated she does with every boy, sometime even unintentionally, that's not a crush, just look at the 3 guys she ended up knocking out during that episode after flirting all episode.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Sokka gays like you thinking their fanfics are real is why everyone hate him.
8 months ago
Anonymous
The angle of this picture makes him look as if he's balding or something
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Ty Lee
Pure delusion >Suki
Literally pegs him >Yue
She literally had no other choice AND still choose to die rather than be with him >Toph
She literally had crushes on everyone. >Sokka's kissless virgin
Fixed it for you. >Suyin
Not his child. >Not canon
Cope. >He fricked nobody
Fixed it for you again. His dreams don't count and neither does jerking off while Aang fricked Katara.
>Suyin
Where does this theory come from again? Because either Sokka or Zuko knocking up Toph then being absent parents is completely contradicting to their characters.
8 months ago
Anonymous
in Korra we learn that Sokka had died a virgin, so people speculated that he banged Toph and then died
8 months ago
Anonymous
So he casually dies just before Toph gives birth or the 'guy with a plan' isnt smart enough to connect the dots that he fricked his best friend and she's pregnant within a few months?
8 months ago
Anonymous
since he was supposed to be offed by red lotus, the best case scenario is that he dies unexpectedly heroically defending korra in her crib or something
8 months ago
Anonymous
Sounds quite vague but it makes sense
8 months ago
Anonymous
throwing a b***h fit at Aaron and kicking him out for wanting one more season instead of live action movie was the worst decision made in regards to handling this IP
8 months ago
Anonymous
preach brother
8 months ago
Anonymous
Makes sense,Avatarhas been way too inconsistent since 2008.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>throwing a b***h fit at Aaron and kicking him out for wanting one more season instead of live action movie
Did that happen
Source?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Where does this theory come from again?
People being desperate for Sokka to have done anything that matter in LOK.
8 months ago
Anonymous
if I was a sokkagay I would complain on how incredibly UGLY his adult design was
Kyoshi Island is independent tho. Also she'd be only one of his wives and bring her warriors along as concubines (though Zuko still unofficially made them wives).
it's in the name moron, you know what quint means right?
8 months ago
Anonymous
if i knew what it meant, why would i asking about it?
8 months ago
Anonymous
why are you wasting your time replying to a newbie?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>muh boogeyman
Sorry i dont know your obscure lingo on a long dead series in the musuem that is Cinemaphile. Assuming your not the op samegayging, either answer the question or dont and frick off.
8 months ago
Anonymous
lurk more or get
[...]
There are forums less hostile than this place, just go there.
8 months ago
Anonymous
get the frick out gay.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Sorry i dont know your obscure lingo on a long dead series in the musuem that is Cinemaphile.
I'm gonna give you a hint: That lingo is completely unrelated to ATLA or Cinemaphile, it's general Cinemaphile lingo.
8 months ago
Anonymous
holy shit lurk more newhomosexual and absorb the wisdom of your elders
It's because, just like Zutara, it instantly provides romantic drama fodder. Divided by nation! Divided by class! War! Naturally differing life histories and philosophies! Fertile ground for story. The problem with Mai even in the show is, bless her heart, her relationship with Zuko is unfortunately quite boring. The reason they get together in the show is the same reason people don't like them: they get along too well and keep Zuko out of any real romantic drama. Zuko's drama is entirely his family baggage. His climax is accepting his own personhood and standing against his family to stop their crimes against the world. A complicated romance is fun to consider but dilutes what's supposed to be his fundamental deal. Having a girlfriend who he just sorta gets along with and gets his baseline personality is comfortable for a real person but kind of anathema to exciting stories.
Jin is also an incredibly blank slate and thus you can go almost anywhere with a story with her. This isn't necessarily about actual fan stories, but just the kind of impression of potential that sparks in any viewer's mind that helps create their emotional reaction to a character. Again, Mai loses out because her role is to be kind of laidback and undramatic. Which is why when she loses even that in the comics it's so much worse.
Zutara provide none of that >Divided by class
She's literally the daughter of the Southern Water Tribes supreme leader.
>EK paramilitary
did anyone outside of Ba Sing Se really took Kuei's tittle seriously?
Omashu was clearly and independent state with it's own king, and Kyoshi Island didn't seem like a province either, nor did the Chin town
I guess what I am saying is: world building in avatar bad
Kyoshi Island is independent tho. Also she'd be only one of his wives and bring her warriors along as concubines (though Zuko still unofficially made them wives).
This event could lead to potentially reignite rivalries between the EK and FN. The island of kyoshi, historically independent from the EK but still tied together economically, begins building relations with the FN when the kyoshi warriors are appointed the position of being fire lord Zuko's personal guard. In return the FN begin to invest more into building up KI's infrastructure, starting the new cultural ties between the two, while drifting away from EK industry. This begins to worry the EK, being concerned that if KI keeps building the relationship with the FN, former colonies that prospered under the FN will begin to call for independence too.
>south was oogabooga
So were the EK and SWT. Still counts.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Earth has governments and economies, south was less than 100 people and 1 amateur bender. FN colonies are more civilized than SWT.
Though it would be a good idea for a sequel, resurgent EK militarizing to compensate for their century of humiliation.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>south was less than 100 people and 1 amateur bender.
And the EK is 2 cities and 5 mud huts pretending to be a country.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Though it would be a good idea for a sequel, resurgent EK militarizing to compensate for their century of humiliation.
anon...
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Though it would be a good idea for a sequel, resurgent EK militarizing to compensate for their century of humiliation.
This is basically what happened in Korra. After the earth queen(who was a total parody of spoiled tyrant nobility) gets assassinated, the earth kingdom basically collapses into 1920s style Chinese warlordism only for Kuvira to reunite them under earth kingdom hyper nationalism and revanchism(one of her main goals is retaking the fire colonies and Republic city etc).
8 months ago
Anonymous
Sorry I don't visit fanfiction.net.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Kyoshi island would be the start, if suki married zuko, they would be effectively part of the fire nation in all but name, wishing to remain officially independent for historical sake. The former FN colonies would soon be pushing for independence or to become members of the FN due to the weak EK government and economy. EK would see this as a threat and claim the FN is rebuilding its colonial empire and must act to prevent another hundred years war. First attempting to bully the FN military out of the kyoshi island's vicinity by trying to bait the FN into attacking first, which wouldn't go well due to the economic and new cultural ties between the two parties, as well as kyoshi wanting to remain independent. Second, the EK would boost its presence in its former FN colonies, fueling resentment with the locals and beginning pro FN rebel movements.
8 months ago
Anonymous
The EK would do none of that because King Kuei is chill and that's suicide
8 months ago
Anonymous
You're right, I didn't even think about him being chill as hell and allowing all this to happen. I guess the way you'd get around him is several EK generals concluding that letting these former colonies break away could eventually lead to another invasion of the EK mainland, with the FN using said colonies as a spring board. Either another coup would take place (aang wouldn't stand by and let this happen due to his relationship with the king and could justify an invasion to remove a false government). Or they go behind his back and send agents to try and sway the various colonies into distrusting the FN with propaganda and coercion.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Them just going behind his back is the most logical solution.
8 months ago
Anonymous
That's what I figured, but I went ahead and threw the coup option out there incase someone suggested it. While the king might be much more aware of what's going on in the world, it wouldn't be the first time the military has gone behind his back to do what they want.
8 months ago
Anonymous
The EK nearly started a 2nd great war like a year after the show ended because they wanted to force the Fire Nation to give all their colonies back. They aren't exactly helpless. Aang had to mediate iirc because Zuko didn't back down.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>They aren't exactly helpless.
Them trying to start shit in non-canon comics doesn't mean they wouldn't get slaughtered if the war actually restarted
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Aang had to mediate iirc
you mean Aang tried to kill Zuko twice because Zuko refused to let the mixed fire-earth population of Yudao get genocided
second time being the only instance of Aang using his full avatar power btw
8 months ago
Anonymous
I still can't get over how this actually happened. It's not even a meme or an exaggeration.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I still can't get over how this actually happened. It's not even a meme or an exaggeration.
it was hilarious how it went down as well
8 months ago
Anonymous
Why is he letting them do that?
8 months ago
Anonymous
why is Suki suddenly bending over backwards for Zuko? i don’t understand
i never read the comics, are Zuko and Aang having a civil war or something?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>why is Suki suddenly bending over backwards for Zuko?
Cause she's the only who stay close to him the whole time and who he tells his whole reasoning, which she seem to agree with.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Suki is fricking Zuko
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's called 'throat duty', anon.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>and what exactly does this 'throat duty' the Kyoshi Warriors have been doing consist of?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Let's just say there's a reason I spell my name as 'Sucki' now, Sokka.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Why is he letting them do that?
from the angle it looks like Suki is fingering poor aang
8 months ago
Anonymous
I still can't get over how this actually happened. It's not even a meme or an exaggeration.
>Aang tried to kill Zuko twice.
Get da frick outta here.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It makes much less sense when remembering what happened with Ozai and how he insisted on NOT killing him.
Hoe do you explain that? Aang suddendly gained a hard-on on Zuko's father?
>THE BOULDER RESPECTS THAT YOU BOUGHT THE BOULDER’S OFFICIAL MERCHANDISE! HIS ADMIRATION GROWS AS THE BOULDER SEES THAT YOU ARE WORKING OUT TO IMPROVE YOURSELF!
THE BOULDER WON’T EVER LET HIS FANS, AS WELL AS THEIR CUPS, DOWN!
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THE BOULDER FEELS CONFLICTED ABOUT THE HARSHNESS OF YOUR OBSERVATION, YET HE CAN’T DENY THE BOULDER’S POSITION IN THE SELLING OF THE BOULDER’S OFFICIAL MERCHANDISE!
>hey pebble I heard you been hawking your over the shoulder boulder holders but I'm here to tell you that all my mountain peaks need to be supported is the earth rumble champion belt.
8 months ago
Anonymous
THE BOULDER MADE HIS PEACE WITH LOOSING THE CHAMPIONSHIP! NOW HE IS FEELING ACCOMPLISHED BY THE SUCCESS OF THE BOULDER’S BRAND!
THE BOULDER WON’T EVER LET HIS FANS, AS WELL AS THEIR CUPS, DOWN!
he doesn't own the brand, it's in the hands of a number of merchant houses - and the boulder is simply their moronic mouthpiece
well I assumed that went without saying
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Spokesman and model.
THE BOULDER FEELS CONFLICTED ABOUT THE HARSHNESS OF YOUR OBSERVATION, YET HE CAN’T DENY THE BOULDER’S POSITION IN THE SELLING OF THE BOULDER’S OFFICIAL MERCHANDISE!
THE BOULDER WON’T EVER LET HIS FANS, AS WELL AS THEIR CUPS, DOWN!
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THE BOULDER FEELS CONFLICTED ABOUT THE HARSHNESS OF YOUR OBSERVATION, YET HE CAN’T DENY THE BOULDER’S POSITION IN THE SELLING OF THE BOULDER’S OFFICIAL MERCHANDISE!
I can agree with that. Zuko/Mai is unhealthy as frick (especially in the comics) and Zutara is just your standard "beautiful girl and handsome boy" ship that appeals to teens.
It's because, just like Zutara, it instantly provides romantic drama fodder. Divided by nation! Divided by class! War! Naturally differing life histories and philosophies! Fertile ground for story. The problem with Mai even in the show is, bless her heart, her relationship with Zuko is unfortunately quite boring. The reason they get together in the show is the same reason people don't like them: they get along too well and keep Zuko out of any real romantic drama. Zuko's drama is entirely his family baggage. His climax is accepting his own personhood and standing against his family to stop their crimes against the world. A complicated romance is fun to consider but dilutes what's supposed to be his fundamental deal. Having a girlfriend who he just sorta gets along with and gets his baseline personality is comfortable for a real person but kind of anathema to exciting stories.
Jin is also an incredibly blank slate and thus you can go almost anywhere with a story with her. This isn't necessarily about actual fan stories, but just the kind of impression of potential that sparks in any viewer's mind that helps create their emotional reaction to a character. Again, Mai loses out because her role is to be kind of laidback and undramatic. Which is why when she loses even that in the comics it's so much worse.
not sure what would be more adorable, if "Lee" would keep visiting Jin between his "outings" as a "caravan guard" and the two of them would talk about what the fire lord is doing and how the border wars between ex-fn colonies, ex-ek colonies, loyal fn colonies(now called royal provinces) are going
with Jin being very invested, but not very knowledgable about the topic, unknowingly shaping the world with her input
between romantic dates and collage level drama with hooligans
or Jin being an awkward duckling in the fire court doing her best, not quite getting her head around the situation, sort of like in pic related
Mai and Zuko are meant, I suppose, to be complimentary. Zuko chimps out very easily and is very passionate about stuff, Mai is basically the opposite of that.
She levels him out.
But the problem is that they don't actually mesh that well together in practice for whatever reason. Maybe it's because Zuko himself isn't JUST Mr Angry Hothead, he also has a lot of his own emotional defenses. I never really bought their relationship. Mai is actually just TOO stale for her own good. All she does is scowl and be emo. That's it.
I don't really know how to fix her. Compared to Ty Lee and Azula she just lacks any personality.
It's honestly kine of shocking how almost any other woman is a better fit for Zuko emotionally.
At the end of the show, Mai was doing slightly more than scowling and emo shenanigans, her genuine care to defend Zuko even after he essentially left her behind was kinda sweet. I never cared for Mai much and that moment sold me on why people like them together. Shame the comics ruined it.
Idk I just don't get the appeal. Like it was sweet that one time, but the actual on screen romance was better with like...everyone else. He literally had more of a spark with random earth kingdom peasants than he did with his canon wife and that's fricking sad lmao
They spend half their screen time cuddling and making out, Anon.
No, I didn't forget anything, Ty Lee never had a crush on Sokka.
She very vaguely flirted with him just like the Beach episode clearly stated she does with every boy, sometime even unintentionally, that's not a crush, just look at the 3 guys she ended up knocking out during that episode after flirting all episode.
>They spend half their screen time cuddling and making out >At the end of the show, Mai was doing slightly more than scowling and emo shenanigans, her genuine care to defend Zuko even after he essentially left her behind was kinda sweet.
the problem with Mai is that, she comes off as an incredibly entitled b***h that believes that she deserves to be with Zuko, because their parents set them up or something
which is pretty amazing that they were able to pull that off, since if you go back and rewatch the maiko scenes it becomes clear that being Zuko's cumrug is her primary goal in life
BUT Ty Lee seemed more exited hearing Azula's promise of meeting him than Mai
AND at the same time, Mai does little to form a deeper bond with Zuko and become closer to him as a person
AND she bounces between the distinct feeling of making him a favour for stick around, and throwing herself at him
not to mention that what really makes the maiko scenes feel like filler is comparing them to azuko scenes and the emotional push and pull between the siblings
>bryke just can't write romance
It's just really tiresome to see writers like that try. Aang was practically schizophrenic the way he'd bounce between being completely normal around Katara in one episode to just completely incapable of stringing sentences together in another when they decided it was time for "romance writing." The closest they ever got to a somewhat compelling Aang/Katara story was the Footloose episode, and that was in the third season. It's no wonder people latched on to Zuko/Katara, cause at least they got actually well written scenes.
Then they had the bright idea to make this kind of shit an important part of their sequel series.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Nobody shipped Zutara for being well written when it was popular before any of their few good moments. It was shipped for very shallow reasons like "fire boy and water girl", opposites attract type bullshit.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Which is all still better then the canon romance between Aang and katara.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Wrong.
8 months ago
Anonymous
No it's right, at least having duality themes is better writing then hero getting the girl because the story says so.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>"bECAUSE THE STORY SAID SO"
It's wrong and the excuses you use to dismiss a perfectly fine pairing is just pathetic.
8 months ago
Anonymous
The only way Kataang is gonna work for me is Girl Aang in Zuko's harem with Katara.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I genuinely would like to see more of girl aang due to the lack of airbender girls
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Muh duality
Cringe cope
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's at least more then whatever Katara and Aang supposed to had.
8 months ago
Anonymous
No, the cringe cope you made up isn't better than an entier show's worth of development.
The version with the kyoshi makeup is better
Suki is always better with the make up.
8 months ago
Anonymous
There's not an entire show's worth of development for Katara and Aang romantic relationship. In fact Kataang only stunted Aang's character growth.
8 months ago
Anonymous
The actual show says otherwise.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I beg to differ.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Keep begging then.
8 months ago
Anonymous
The dance in the Headband alone blew the frick out of every single Zutara headcanon, fanfic and fanart I've ever seen.
>I don't really know how to fix her.
She fights her ennui and finds a cause worth giving a damn which in practice is Zuko but in theory could be a type of fire nation patriotism seeing Ozai as a tyrant needing to be disposed.
The bad guys didn't have any "smart/Tactics" guys tbh
Zuko's daughter wears glasses right?
Play on that. Rewrite Mai, keep her introverted and mostly the same, but make her introverted because she's the "smart and silent one", who has a lot of good plans or devices. That's a niche that Sokka filled for team good when he wasn't playing comic clown. The thinker.
>That's a niche that Sokka filled for team good when he wasn't playing comic clown. The thinker.
Which was weird because Katara and Aang were mostly the ones who made the plans at the start.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I assume they wanted Sokka go have more depth than just being a fake jock/doofus. Having him being a doofus who can put his chips down when needed was a nice layer.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I guess it's like how they decided to change Katara from 'struggling bender outpaced by Aang' to 'prodigy waterbender even better than Aang'.
8 months ago
Anonymous
it was weird because until they decided that to make him the plan/thinker guy he was complete moron who couldn't even fish and never really showed any intelligence
8 months ago
Anonymous
He could fish though, where the frick are you guys getting this shit from? Did we even watch the same show?
8 months ago
Anonymous
it was weird because until they decided that to make him the plan/thinker guy he was complete moron who couldn't even fish and never really showed any intelligence
Not at the start from what I remember which would prob lead him to starve to death, that's some shitty world building
8 months ago
Anonymous
Your memory is wrong he was literally shown to be able to fish in the first episode you fricking moron
Yup, honestly all arguments against Mai before that were just seething Zutarians and other ship nonsense, the comics are a big part of why Mai is unpopular nowadays.
Nah, before that point she was a well liked character that appeared in many episodes
>I don't really know how to fix her.
She fights her ennui and finds a cause worth giving a damn which in practice is Zuko but in theory could be a type of fire nation patriotism seeing Ozai as a tyrant needing to be disposed.
>but in theory could be a type of fire nation patriotism seeing Ozai as a tyrant needing to be disposed
Sounds gay, Zuko is a better option, especially since we don't have any character motivated by love yet while the patriotism thing is already Zuko's thing. And Piandao's thing.
>zuko is a better option
No because there's nothing to hold that up. Zuko could be her lover and a hope for a reformed Fire Nation(that doesn't have to give up so much of it's colonial holdings) makes sense for Mai the Noblewoman knife thrower.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Mai hate doing all that 'noblewoman stuff' tho, so it really doesn't work for her motivation to be that politically minded.
Also not really compelling for a kid show.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Mai hate doing all that 'noblewoman stuff' tho, so it really doesn't work for her motivation to be that politically minded.
Because it was a boring but this would be exciting, going against Ozai would be a challenge to hold her interest.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Mai hate doing all that 'noblewoman stuff' tho, so it really doesn't work for her motivation to be that politically minded.
Also not really compelling for a kid show.
Mai would be a better boost to Zuko if she actually liked/was good at 'noble stuff' frankly. He's a complete stranger at his own court by the time the show ends effectively. Having a wife who is actually good at pulling strings would have been enormously helpful.
Like I get the "Wow I'm like super rich and a noble but like icky haha I'm above it" is a common trope but Zuko has a fricking country to run. He needs connections and actual friends among his vassals.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>He's a complete stranger at his own court by the time the show ends effectively
Firelords don't have courts like you'd imagine for a chinese emperor or even french nobility.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>He's a complete stranger at his own court by the time the show ends effectively
Firelords don't have courts like you'd imagine for a chinese emperor or even french nobility.
Think less 'Court Drama' and more 'Frieza's leadership'.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I always hated Mai because she has all the benefits, and exploits them, of being nobility but pulls the “oh it’s so awful! My dad wants me to be quiet at dinners” in the Beach episode.
Bitch, your parents didn’t blink when you started throwing knives in Omashu, you weren’t oppressed
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Bitch, your parents didn’t blink when you started throwing knives in Omashu
Because being a fighter is what is expected of her, that's literally what you're taught at the academy.
I agree that part of it was Zutara stuff(How I Became Yours being the most infamous fanfic since Mai murders Katara's baby and shit), but she never had a big fan base like say, Ty Lee did, even on her own, regardless of Zuko.
There's a difference between not having a Ty Lee fanbase and being unpopular, she had a decent fanbase of her own with frequent fanfics and fanart.
Post comics it's pretty dead.
as a side piece/concubine? Sure. As the actual Fire Lady? Not really. Her being from the Earth Kingdom is bad enough. Her being a literal earth kingdom pleb would give the Revive Ozai Society a pr boost among the nobility like nothing else. If she was the earth king's relative or something he could at least spin it as a diplomatic win, but she's a peasant.
>Revive Ozai Society a pr boost
well, but it would also make for an interesting story giving Zuko an excuse to slide into punch them until they listen mentality, from which he would have to try to backtrack later
It's never really talked about in the show "that" much, but here on Cinemaphile people reading in between the lines about Zuko's nobility being a reason his character makes decisions was interesting to read. Like, how Zuko isn't really attracted to peasant girls was one interpretation. I just think the lack of highbrow politics makes it interesting we can actually piece together logical things happening behind the scenes.
I hate that the comics are canon because they have to work around all the stupid bullshit they do. Zuko should’ve stayed with the woman he ended the show with.
The comics honestly should just be noncanon. That goes for ATLA, LOK and whatever other eras they've done. There's no point in an adaptation being a slave to the endgame when the writers are clearly having so much fun going apeshit in introducing nonsense like Azula's little Akatsuki group or Zuko's ever expanding harem.
>Through political chicanery, Aang has to marry Azula to end or soften things after the 100 Years War. >They have six to eight kids. >Half are airbenders that give Aang twenty grandkids because they know what duty is. >The other half are quite literally some of the most powerful firebenders to ever live.
>Hey, lord of shame, since I can feel you have more than enough equipment down there, let me show you an old Water Tribe Technique to keeping warn during the long winters. Helps pass the time too.
Actually there would be a quantifiable difference and that would be more porn.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Last air nomad, has to pass on her lineage one way or another >constantly chased by an older banished prince >'We still can be friends' >Is the first one in her group to accept him >On Korra it's mentioned that same guy knows her better than the woman's widow.
Eh, shit writes itself.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, Aang x Zuko is already way more coherent than basically any other gay ship around so Fem!Aang x Zuko would be crazy.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It does, at least have something to rely on.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>fem!Aang was Fem!Roku in the past life >Ursa is the descendant of Fem!Roku >Aang triggers Zuko's mommy complex on a spiritual level
Interesting development is a good thing to like.
But a character just going from an angry butthole to a quiet, quirky, sun-shine and rainbows nice guy is pretty normal.
Taking a standard unlikable character and making them a standard likable character isn't really that interesting to me.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Zuko's character development is interesting though.
8 months ago
Anonymous
go back [...] because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about
The only interesting Zuko moment was him wandering around the Earth Kingdom trying to find some kind of contrition.
Everything else was bland.
8 months ago
Anonymous
go back
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because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about
>Avatar but the Gaang are all girls and all have some level of attraction to Zuko
so Avatar by the writers are not trying to hide the Oreimo influence ?
Frick you, shipgays. At this point Zuko dodged a bullet by not getting with any of the onscreen girls and marrying someone who potentially doesn't have any of their issues or social connections to the ones that DO.
I don't even like the Katara Aang romance but i'll take them any day over Zutara.
I actually liked Zuko and Mai until the comics ruined her completely by making her cuck Zuko.
I wish Aang had an actually cute love interest.
Katara is the worst part of this show.
There was really no good reason not to just have Zuko frick Ty Lee honestly. Coomerism aside people actually like her. I've never met someone whose favorite girl is Mai.
And there was no reason to not have him have a harem and yet see what happened. People and TV networks have fun.
It's the same with most Harem anime and even shows like Angel where the MC has everyone fall for him at once but can only pick one because of homosexualy nonsense.
Real question for the real men here: did THE BOULDER found himself a woman? He was a earthbending super star, ended up on friendly terms with Toph and he was a war veteran. What’s not to like?
THE BOULDER simply cannot choose a single woman, for it would devastate any other lady that gazes upon THE BOULDER! He won’t consider making a harem because he’s such a bro he wouldn’t make it impossible for other dudes to get chicks
What about Zuko/Ursa
2 posts in and threads already ruined
you forgot zutara
Zutara would have been preferable if the entirety of ATLA was not written towards Kataang
And if it didn't always remove Katara's agency.
Look at all the zutara fan art. Notice how it's never Zuko in blue, it's always Katara wearing red? Like she gets subsumed into his bullshit.
anon, have you like... interacted with a woman(female) ever?
I'm just saying, compare it to the other popular ships. Jin still wears green. Katara and Aang has Katara still having her own identity.
>Katara and Aang has Katara still having her own identity.
Pffft
to be fair, she does look good in red
She had to go through casting first imo
it's important for the firelord to know that his bodyguard has good stamina and general fitness, so don't worry about why she's coming back so tired and sweaty
Okay but what about the smell of cum and all the white stains on her clothes?
the white stains are obviously just residue from their face-paint, and that isn't cum, the fashionable new perfume in the fire nation just smells like that
Would Sokka want to wear some?
Why does she insist on wearing her used prisoner outfit though?
>And if it didn't always remove Katara's agency.
have a nice day
>the entirety of ATLA was not written towards Kataang
lmao. Never change kataanggays
Kataang was confirmed episode 1, stop coping.
Kataang was confirmed because a 12 year old boy was instantly infatuated with a pretty girl after waking up from a 100 year coma?
NTA but unironically yes and I'm sorry your media literacy was so poor as to not realize it.
I'm sorry your media expectations are so low you automatically assume the hero will 'get the girl' from episode 1. Also, nevermind the fact writers have said there was active discussion as to whether it should happen at all. They're just lying I guess, obviously.
>M-m-m-muh get the girl
Lol, seethe you impotent homosexual. Nobody like your 'subvert expectation!' garbage and Kataang was confirmed episode 1.
Yes? That's how cartoon works, she's literally the one doing his promo every fricking episode, moron.
The special edition of the show with all the extra detail boxes on screen outright confirmed that Zuko was originally meant to be Katara's love interest. It was something they changed later, although idk if it was before or after they'd actually published the first few episodes.
Why are you just making shit up and lying?
>Also, nevermind the fact writers have said there was active discussion as to whether it should happen at all.
They never did that, you had both Bryke and Ehatz directly stating Kataang was planned day one.
I'm not you dumbass. It was literally said in the info box.
What info box, moron? There is not a single 'infox box' showing Zutara in the slightest, you lying homosexual.
Eat shit moron
>Random shit on a wiki
So no proof nor trace of your mythical 'info box'?
Cry harder and stop lying.
Avatar Extras you dumbass
You mean the famed 'Avatar extras' you've been dodging posting or addressing the whole thread, you underage moron?
Be honest, do you even know what the 'Avatar Extras' are? Or you're just parroting what you saw elsewhere? Because those extras were NOT made by the ATLA staff, they were made by Nick's marketing team.
>made by Nick's marketing team
Sure, but are you honestly claiming that there was a vast revisionist conspiracy on the part of nickelodeon just so that they could add tid bits to the same episodes?
Do you know how dumb that sounds?
I posted the one where they confirmed the zuko thing and you ignored it. Cope.
>I-i-i-i posted a fake low quality screenshot I got from a wiki and you just laughed at me!
And? Nobody cares that you're mad your argument doesn't hold up, coping moron.
>but are you honestly claiming that there was a vast revisionist conspiracy on the part of nickelodeon just so that they could add tid bits to the same episodes?
No, why are you imagining whole ass scenarios in your head just to feel better like that?
>Do you know how dumb that sounds?
Obviously it's dumb, it came from you.
The marketing team looking at a fanfic graph of horny teenage Zutarians and trying to sell more by mentioning Zutara randomly isn't a conspiracy.
Meanwhile what the ACTUAL writers said was that there was gonna be a love triangle between male!Toph, Aang and Katara, no mention of Zuko.
>Meanwhile what the ACTUAL writers said
One of the "actual writers" said otherwise in an interview. Hate to break it to you but Mike and Bryan weren't the only writers, and neither of them shat on the extras episode involving this info.
I can't prove anything to the mentally ill
>Which anyone who watched ATLA and actually looked at what the voice actors and writers said as well as the bits of the show's bible that are publicly available is bullshit.
Why do you think writers can't change their mind in the creative process? Elsa was almost a villain in Frozen, Disney shut that idea down. Nobody disputes that. So why are you pissing and screaming over this?
>One of the "actual writers" said otherwise in an interview.
You mean the thing taken out of context 15 years later while begging for Super Chats?
>Hate to break it to you but Mike and Bryan weren't the only writers,
And? Both Ehatz and his wife confirmed Mike and Bryan were right, it's the 4 highest ranked people on the whole project who said directly and since day 1.
Meanwhile none of the episodes the 'writer' worked on even had Zuko in it, at least none where he is even in Katara's vicinity, how the frick was he 'gonna talk' about Zutara in that context?
> neither of them shat on the extras episode involving this info.
Why would they? It was Nick's thing, not theirs AND they already made their own statement.
Show me one source where Ehasz says he was always in favour of Katara+Aang ending up together. I don't believe you.
Typically on tv shows all the writers get together to hash out the general outline of the episodes. Even though only 1-2 people get the final writing credit, everyone has input.
How many writers did ATLA have? I doubt you can get the input of like 30 people on each episodes.
Nowhere near that many.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender_episodes
It changed a bit, but from season 2 you had Ehasz, Mike+Bryan, Elizabeth Welch, Tim Hedrick, John O'bryan, and Joshua Hamilton as the main guys, with a couple of assistant writers.
You can't prove anything at all to anyone, which is why you're a lying homosexual. A dumb one at that.
>You can't prove anything at all to anyone, which is why you're a lying homosexual. A dumb one at that.
You are the one in denial. Do you self insert as Aang or something?
>Y-y-y-you destroying my random cope is denial!
Cry harder, homosexual.
I would ask if you self insert as Katara and want to frick Zuko but I don't even need to, it's pretty obvious.
>I would ask if you self insert as Katara and want to frick Zuko but I don't even need to, it's pretty obvious
Yes. Project more of your psychological failings onto me. We can do a case study in delusion. You destroyed nothing but your own credibility. Extras are canon. Nick owns the show.
Maybe the hombre should learn how to spell.
>I-i-i-i can go no u!!!
Cool story, have fun coping after being destroyed.
Wait, canon? The thing where Aang fricked Katara? And Zuko was never her love interest?
>Wait, canon? The thing where Aang fricked Katara? And Zuko was never her love interest?
Yes, that canon. Who claimed otherwise? Not me. Shame that you can't read English properly you fricking dago.
Keep projecting.
Damn, you're really running away like a b***h after being destroyed.
Glad we could establish that you were a moronic liar and Zuko was never even thought of as a love interest for Katara at any point ever.
>dago
Nobody here knows what that mean except your third worlder ass.
>Glad we could establish that you were a moronic liar and Zuko was never even thought of as a love interest for Katara at any point ever.
We established that you haven't actually watched Avatar Extras and blow smoke out your blistering ass.
>Nobody here knows what that mean except your third worlder ass.
I feel sorry for you. School down in Belize must suck eh jefe.
You mean the extras you couldn't post at all? Because you know you're wrong?
Nobody about your school life in the third world.
>You mean the extras you couldn't post at all? Because you know you're wrong?
I understand that you cannot read English text properly but this is deeply embarrassing for you.
That's a really cool case of self loathing you have there Zapata.
>Ashktually me bleeding on the ground screaming mean I won
You're so enraged and impotent, you can't even try to stay on topic anymore, that's hilarious, lying gay.
>bleeding on the ground
We don't have ebola outbreaks where I live Senor. Sorry. Que pasa?
>Brain so broken by the humiliation and blood loss he's speaking spanish again
Feels good to win easily and completely. Maybe one day you'll get this feeling.
I already won. Halls of Montezuma and all that. You know the song.
No, nobody knows any of that, Paco, nobody cares about your third world 'culture', go invent toilets first. Or at least learn proper english.
Nobody asked for your entier family's names, Paco. Derailing the thread really show everyone how not mad you are.
>entier
Scoreboard.
0 for the Zutara Paco - 315 for the ATLA chads.
Happy to help.
Damn, the Zutarian Paco got so mind broken he started speaking his mother tongue, spanish. What a sad sight.
I've never seen someone out himself that hard before. You need to go touch grass if it hasn't caught on fire yet, ESL-anon.
>fire
You would know, given how obsessed you are with Zuko apparently.
Does he remind you of your lover?
So THAT'S why you have this desperate obsession with Zutara. Must be hard being gay where you live.
>Why are you correctly something blatantly false?!
Because that's the normal thing to do?
>Writers change their minds!
And? How is that relevant to the show's bible, AKA their original vision for the show that in no way mention Zuko as Katara's love interest? And nobody said 'we changed our minds', they all said 'Zutara was never a thing at all'.
No one dispute the Frozen thing because there are actual evidence for it, her being a villain was in the movie's bible AND the creators of the movie didn't come out and say it was false. Unlike for the 'Zuko was Katara's love interest' shit.
Esl go back to Juarez.
>The third worlder think everyone here is like him
At least now we know for sure you knew you were lying and full of shit since you're trying to change the subject.
>Call others 'ESL'
>Can't even use commas properly and fricked up writing 'self-insert'
The irony. The random reddit spacing doesn't help.
>m-muh ReDDDDDIT
I accept your surrender.
>Get found out
>Run away in shame
Classic redditor.
>Maybe the hombre should learn how to spell.
Yeah, you really should, Paco, it's very embarrassing to see you make so many mistakes per lines.
>calls someone else Paco
>repeatedly messes up his plural and singular usage.
Ok Diego
>Get absolutely destroyed by being called out
>Try to parrot it back at other people in hope it hurt them as much
>Still can't spell
Lol, Paco the redditor.
He really avoided you after that one, you must have really hit the bull's eye.
>reddit spacing
election tourist meme
>Muh election 7 years ago!
Redditor Cope. You're too obvious.
Nickelodeon what?
Suck a wiener
>D-d-d-do like me!
No thanks but nice fake screenshot. Do you even know what a proof is? It would be the actual link to the actual extra, you fricking deluded Zutarian cuck.
https://www.amazon.com/Avatar-Last-Airbender-Season-Extras/dp/B00VE6G8A0
Ik you are trolling at this point but it's literally official and if you actually watched the show back in the day you'd remember the extras episodes airing.
>Pointing out the obvious flaw in my delusion is trolling!
All I remember is 100% of the show being Kataang as confirmed by both the Head writer and both show creators AND showrunners.
The fact you can't even post a link to the 'extras that would totally prove you right' just confirmed what I knew: You're a lying homosexual. (No, posting a link to buy them myself doesn't count, moron)
It's not trolling to remind you what actually fricking happened in the show where Aang and Katara were each other's only actual love interest and ended up together with Zuko never even acknowledging Katara's existence more than he had to.
Zuko would fit better as Aang's love interest than fricking Katara's.
>It's not trolling to remind you what actually fricking happened in the show where Aang and Katara were each other's only actual love interest and ended up together with Zuko never even acknowledging Katara's existence more than he had to.
Who denied this? I never claimed otherwise. All I claimed was that they originally planned to have Zuko be her love interest. Obviously Kataang is canon since that's what they went with. Are you ok?
Meds
>Still no proof
There's no meds for the copium you're on.
>All I claimed was that they originally planned to have Zuko be her love interest.
Which anyone who watched ATLA and actually looked at what the voice actors and writers said as well as the bits of the show's bible that are publicly available is bullshit.
Like we literally have the show's bible on both Katara AND Aang, yet there's no mention of Zuko as a love interest.
Lel
Those helmets the FN soldiers had on S1 were cool
>Shyamalan working on Book 3
>Source: My ass
The cope is beyond the scales, especially since your own blurb directly state 'The two actual creators of the show who actually decided the plot said it literally never came up'.
it would work great as a classic romcom with a tittle like
>turns out my boyfriend is the fire lord[demon king]
>the fire lord wants me for himself
>I will survive in the fire lords palace no matter what
>it's a fake marriage! I didn't know I was getting in with the fire lord
>The fire lord’s palace is really a circus
>That time I accidentally dated the fire lord
I call their favourite band Earth Wind and Fire
>called Earth Wind and Fire
>made out of Water Tribesmen
Female targeted romance plot
>Normal girl
>Sees brooding guy
>Think he's cute, is nice to him
>He vanished
>Turns out he's a king and he comes and takes her away from her poor life to be a queen
>She uses her down home charm and common sense to help him rule
Something something
nailed it man, just gotta make Zuko more like Sandor Clegane (book version not middle aged show version) and itll sell like hotcakes
don't remind me of sansan, that shit way too prevalent
The difference is that Sansan is actually canon and supported by the author.
I wouldn't say that exactly
Dude literally has fanart of Sansan as Beauty and The Beast on his wall at home.
>book version not middle aged show version
"um actually that guy is an old, deranged, violent, horribly scarred psychopath you're not supposed to like him"
Hey, wait a minute, isn't this just a Hallmark channel romance movie?!
yeah, also plot of every other romance novel
women love this shit
Zuki is pretty healthy too but it cucks Sokka and that’s what I don’t like about it.
>but it cucks Sokka and that’s what I don’t like about it.
That's the best part.
Yeah, Zucest should have been mentioned first.
When did it become cool to shit on Sokka? Wtf did he do?
Sokka is a b***h
Your fav is a bigger b***h
I never liked him and Tumblr constantly shilling him made me hate him.
Cinemaphile made me hate him like Cinemaphile made me hate every comic relief character.
His comic relief is just obnoxious and makes him a moron
Guy didnt know how to catch fishes. He would realistically be dead before the boy in the iceberg episode.
I think Sokka is cool and makes progress, his 'fans' if you could call it that are just annoying.
Tran*ies on Cinemaphile that want to hate on him the way the writers hated on Finn. Penis envy.
>P-p-p-penis envy!
>Toward the dickless crossdressing homosexual of the group
Cope.
Lmaooo I was right. It’s always the self inserting homosexuals crying about people not liking them.
Add Sokka to the list.
Dipper
Finn
Steven
Timmy
Marco
Ron
Ben
Who else? That purple haired homosexual from Upper deck?
That manlet on OKGO?
Lance from Voltron?
>Wtf did he do?
jack shit and that's the fricking problem.
He's a brown comic relief who gets all the women and Zuko Cinemaphile's self-insert.
>Get all the women
Funniest cope yet.
>Ty Lee
>Suki
>Toph
>Princess Yue
Sokka's a player.
>Childless
Suyin
>Alone
Not canon
>Virgin
He fricked Suki and Toph.
>Ty Lee
Pure delusion
>Suki
Literally pegs him
>Yue
She literally had no other choice AND still choose to die rather than be with him
>Toph
She literally had crushes on everyone.
>Sokka's kissless virgin
Fixed it for you.
>Suyin
Not his child.
>Not canon
Cope.
>He fricked nobody
Fixed it for you again. His dreams don't count and neither does jerking off while Aang fricked Katara.
The creators themselves confirmed Sokka fricked Suki.
Cope and seethe.
Why does Suki dress like that then?
bitches love Zuko
well at that point, they were still hiding out in the fire nation
How does it explain the tattoos?
an important part of blending in, it's not like they mean anything else
tiddy
Improved.
>it's not like they mean anything else
Is that what they told you?
>hiding
Katara is literally brown with blue eyes.
She sticks out like a sore thumb. Honestly shocking nobody reported her to the cops on gut instinct. Weird oversight.
They saw the tattoos and they knew.
Ngl I'd be all over Katara's Mom if I conquered their village. She's cuter than Katara is lol.
you just know
>She's cuter than Katara is lol.
This.
>Katara's last memory of her mother was finding her freshly burned corpse covered in Fire Nation cum
Tbf Firebenders have the hardest orgasms amongst the four nations
t. rapist war criminal
Only a crime if we lose
What are they looking so surprised at?
Zuko's pants just slipped.
Y'know I think I made a short greentext about this last year,I fricking lost it.
>Ty Lee
>Pure delusion
You seem to have forgotten the crush she had on him.
Ty Lee has a clear line on Sokka now that Suki is screwing the fire lord. WinWin
Sorry, the Kyoshi Warriors always follow their leader.
No, I didn't forget anything, Ty Lee never had a crush on Sokka.
She very vaguely flirted with him just like the Beach episode clearly stated she does with every boy, sometime even unintentionally, that's not a crush, just look at the 3 guys she ended up knocking out during that episode after flirting all episode.
Sokka gays like you thinking their fanfics are real is why everyone hate him.
The angle of this picture makes him look as if he's balding or something
>Suyin
Where does this theory come from again? Because either Sokka or Zuko knocking up Toph then being absent parents is completely contradicting to their characters.
in Korra we learn that Sokka had died a virgin, so people speculated that he banged Toph and then died
So he casually dies just before Toph gives birth or the 'guy with a plan' isnt smart enough to connect the dots that he fricked his best friend and she's pregnant within a few months?
since he was supposed to be offed by red lotus, the best case scenario is that he dies unexpectedly heroically defending korra in her crib or something
Sounds quite vague but it makes sense
throwing a b***h fit at Aaron and kicking him out for wanting one more season instead of live action movie was the worst decision made in regards to handling this IP
preach brother
Makes sense,Avatarhas been way too inconsistent since 2008.
>throwing a b***h fit at Aaron and kicking him out for wanting one more season instead of live action movie
Did that happen
Source?
>Where does this theory come from again?
People being desperate for Sokka to have done anything that matter in LOK.
if I was a sokkagay I would complain on how incredibly UGLY his adult design was
Same
You really picked the noodly armed dude who died childless, alone and a virgin to self insert as?
>Zuko Cinemaphile's self-insert.
Right on the money, just look at this entire thread.
Nobody is self-inserting as Zuko though, it's not our fault he's a better character then Sokka.
That's a good one too actually. There's something in common with Zuki and Jinko too.
Suki has less of a personality than Jin tho.
It has political implications since Suki is EK paramilitary. Might get Zuko accused of being a puppet.
Kyoshi Island is independent tho. Also she'd be only one of his wives and bring her warriors along as concubines (though Zuko still unofficially made them wives).
That sounds more like a weeabo's fap fantasy.
Nah, that's what is clearly canon.
Quints confirm it's canon.
TDLR?
wtf is quints you frickin homosexual
it's in the name moron, you know what quint means right?
if i knew what it meant, why would i asking about it?
why are you wasting your time replying to a newbie?
>muh boogeyman
Sorry i dont know your obscure lingo on a long dead series in the musuem that is Cinemaphile. Assuming your not the op samegayging, either answer the question or dont and frick off.
lurk more or get
There are forums less hostile than this place, just go there.
get the frick out gay.
>Sorry i dont know your obscure lingo on a long dead series in the musuem that is Cinemaphile.
I'm gonna give you a hint: That lingo is completely unrelated to ATLA or Cinemaphile, it's general Cinemaphile lingo.
holy shit lurk more newhomosexual and absorb the wisdom of your elders
Based quint blowing the frick out of the tumblrina raid.
>quints
Ah well. Zuko harem it is.
Holy frick
Ok I concede to those digits.
Quint's approved
Witnessed
Zuko having an earth harem consisting of Jin, Song and Suki confirmed.
and Iroh gets June.
It's over for fire roasties.
always liked zuko's harem
Same.
Zutara provide none of that
>Divided by class
She's literally the daughter of the Southern Water Tribes supreme leader.
>Quints
Zuko really was Him
Check ‘Em…
Never forget.
Basato
witnessed
>zuko suki 3
you gonna dump that?
I only have 3
Suki could never go back to non-fire nation wieners after her stay in prison
source? thats the first time i ever saw r34 of these two together
The version with the kyoshi makeup is better
we are never gonna hear the end of this are we
Never
>EK paramilitary
did anyone outside of Ba Sing Se really took Kuei's tittle seriously?
Omashu was clearly and independent state with it's own king, and Kyoshi Island didn't seem like a province either, nor did the Chin town
I guess what I am saying is: world building in avatar bad
Well all the armies are under his control.
there are troops from ba sing se moving about, but that's not the same thing
Still a martial foreign organization who id not a collaborator.
It might be fine if she leaves the order.
or just have the Kyoshi warriors do something to affirm their new loyalty
>world building in avatar bad
Anon please, next thing you'd be telling me that Air Nomads was childishly simple.
This event could lead to potentially reignite rivalries between the EK and FN. The island of kyoshi, historically independent from the EK but still tied together economically, begins building relations with the FN when the kyoshi warriors are appointed the position of being fire lord Zuko's personal guard. In return the FN begin to invest more into building up KI's infrastructure, starting the new cultural ties between the two, while drifting away from EK industry. This begins to worry the EK, being concerned that if KI keeps building the relationship with the FN, former colonies that prospered under the FN will begin to call for independence too.
Don't forget the unfathomable amount of cuck jokes against the EK that would develop in other nations' culture
>other nations' culture
Only NWT stands, south was oogabooga and air is dead.
>south was oogabooga
So were the EK and SWT. Still counts.
Earth has governments and economies, south was less than 100 people and 1 amateur bender. FN colonies are more civilized than SWT.
Though it would be a good idea for a sequel, resurgent EK militarizing to compensate for their century of humiliation.
>south was less than 100 people and 1 amateur bender.
And the EK is 2 cities and 5 mud huts pretending to be a country.
>Though it would be a good idea for a sequel, resurgent EK militarizing to compensate for their century of humiliation.
anon...
>Though it would be a good idea for a sequel, resurgent EK militarizing to compensate for their century of humiliation.
This is basically what happened in Korra. After the earth queen(who was a total parody of spoiled tyrant nobility) gets assassinated, the earth kingdom basically collapses into 1920s style Chinese warlordism only for Kuvira to reunite them under earth kingdom hyper nationalism and revanchism(one of her main goals is retaking the fire colonies and Republic city etc).
Sorry I don't visit fanfiction.net.
Kyoshi island would be the start, if suki married zuko, they would be effectively part of the fire nation in all but name, wishing to remain officially independent for historical sake. The former FN colonies would soon be pushing for independence or to become members of the FN due to the weak EK government and economy. EK would see this as a threat and claim the FN is rebuilding its colonial empire and must act to prevent another hundred years war. First attempting to bully the FN military out of the kyoshi island's vicinity by trying to bait the FN into attacking first, which wouldn't go well due to the economic and new cultural ties between the two parties, as well as kyoshi wanting to remain independent. Second, the EK would boost its presence in its former FN colonies, fueling resentment with the locals and beginning pro FN rebel movements.
The EK would do none of that because King Kuei is chill and that's suicide
You're right, I didn't even think about him being chill as hell and allowing all this to happen. I guess the way you'd get around him is several EK generals concluding that letting these former colonies break away could eventually lead to another invasion of the EK mainland, with the FN using said colonies as a spring board. Either another coup would take place (aang wouldn't stand by and let this happen due to his relationship with the king and could justify an invasion to remove a false government). Or they go behind his back and send agents to try and sway the various colonies into distrusting the FN with propaganda and coercion.
Them just going behind his back is the most logical solution.
That's what I figured, but I went ahead and threw the coup option out there incase someone suggested it. While the king might be much more aware of what's going on in the world, it wouldn't be the first time the military has gone behind his back to do what they want.
The EK nearly started a 2nd great war like a year after the show ended because they wanted to force the Fire Nation to give all their colonies back. They aren't exactly helpless. Aang had to mediate iirc because Zuko didn't back down.
>They aren't exactly helpless.
Them trying to start shit in non-canon comics doesn't mean they wouldn't get slaughtered if the war actually restarted
>Aang had to mediate iirc
you mean Aang tried to kill Zuko twice because Zuko refused to let the mixed fire-earth population of Yudao get genocided
second time being the only instance of Aang using his full avatar power btw
I still can't get over how this actually happened. It's not even a meme or an exaggeration.
it was hilarious how it went down as well
Why is he letting them do that?
why is Suki suddenly bending over backwards for Zuko? i don’t understand
i never read the comics, are Zuko and Aang having a civil war or something?
>why is Suki suddenly bending over backwards for Zuko?
Cause she's the only who stay close to him the whole time and who he tells his whole reasoning, which she seem to agree with.
Suki is fricking Zuko
It's called 'throat duty', anon.
>and what exactly does this 'throat duty' the Kyoshi Warriors have been doing consist of?
>Let's just say there's a reason I spell my name as 'Sucki' now, Sokka.
from the angle it looks like Suki is fingering poor aang
>Aang tried to kill Zuko twice.
Get da frick outta here.
It makes much less sense when remembering what happened with Ozai and how he insisted on NOT killing him.
Hoe do you explain that? Aang suddendly gained a hard-on on Zuko's father?
Doesn't matter really since Sokka cheats. I mean look at Su, lady gots Water Tribe genes
And the best one
i forgot how much she wanted his dick
Nobody gives a shit about a ship 'healthiness', it's not a fricking fitness app.
atla greentext evil earth kingdom fanfic from some threads back
overall 8/10
Do you know what a fanfic is? That’s a plot summary.
but would you still give me a (You) if I didn't make that mistake ?
At what point do Zuko and Azula frick?
in part 2
Do you have the one were Korra is a swamp tribe hillbilly?
NTA but yes.
Thank you anons
wew I can smell her pit from here
SEXO
>THE BOULDER RESPECTS THAT YOU BOUGHT THE BOULDER’S OFFICIAL MERCHANDISE! HIS ADMIRATION GROWS AS THE BOULDER SEES THAT YOU ARE WORKING OUT TO IMPROVE YOURSELF!
>The Boulder brand sports bra
>so supportive it's like the man himself is cupping your breasts the entire time
he doesn't own the brand, it's in the hands of a number of merchant houses - and the boulder is simply their moronic mouthpiece
well I assumed that went without saying
Spokesman and model.
they would have approached the Blind Bandit instead, but it felt weird to have a spokeswoman with zero use for the product
>hey pebble I heard you been hawking your over the shoulder boulder holders but I'm here to tell you that all my mountain peaks need to be supported is the earth rumble champion belt.
THE BOULDER MADE HIS PEACE WITH LOOSING THE CHAMPIONSHIP! NOW HE IS FEELING ACCOMPLISHED BY THE SUCCESS OF THE BOULDER’S BRAND!
THE BOULDER WON’T EVER LET HIS FANS, AS WELL AS THEIR CUPS, DOWN!
THE BOULDER FEELS CONFLICTED ABOUT THE HARSHNESS OF YOUR OBSERVATION, YET HE CAN’T DENY THE BOULDER’S POSITION IN THE SELLING OF THE BOULDER’S OFFICIAL MERCHANDISE!
>the preferred brand of 9/10 Kyoshi Warriors
lol
>9/10
Ty Lee doesnt like it?
she prefers to let her girls breathe
some fire nation brand she prefers maybe?
Since when is Suki so busty?
one of the many benefits of Boulder brand sports bras is how much they help accentuate your curves
They grew after the first few times she gave heirs to Zuko
lazy edit, but I suppose it gets the job done
>Lotus In The Dust will never update
It’s a bad feel.
I can agree with that. Zuko/Mai is unhealthy as frick (especially in the comics) and Zutara is just your standard "beautiful girl and handsome boy" ship that appeals to teens.
Don't bump your own thread, you desperate homosexual.
>Took that long to use inspect element
Sad
No need to drag this out, you and I both know that you made a moronic assumption.
Nah, we both know you failed to fool anyone.
Literally nobody outside your moronic ass use 'healthy' to describe ships on this board, you told on yourself.
It's impressive how a minor character from an episode that focused on so many other stories became so popular.
Even if you consider how the show killed off Zutara and the comics ruined Mai it's still impressive that Jin was such a popular pairing.
They didn’t have time to ruin her, so people remember her positively.
the comics don't exist
I think it's just because the guy seemed happy with her
It's because, just like Zutara, it instantly provides romantic drama fodder. Divided by nation! Divided by class! War! Naturally differing life histories and philosophies! Fertile ground for story. The problem with Mai even in the show is, bless her heart, her relationship with Zuko is unfortunately quite boring. The reason they get together in the show is the same reason people don't like them: they get along too well and keep Zuko out of any real romantic drama. Zuko's drama is entirely his family baggage. His climax is accepting his own personhood and standing against his family to stop their crimes against the world. A complicated romance is fun to consider but dilutes what's supposed to be his fundamental deal. Having a girlfriend who he just sorta gets along with and gets his baseline personality is comfortable for a real person but kind of anathema to exciting stories.
Jin is also an incredibly blank slate and thus you can go almost anywhere with a story with her. This isn't necessarily about actual fan stories, but just the kind of impression of potential that sparks in any viewer's mind that helps create their emotional reaction to a character. Again, Mai loses out because her role is to be kind of laidback and undramatic. Which is why when she loses even that in the comics it's so much worse.
Explain Zuki then
She made such impact despite so little screen time, she's my favorite pairing for him
Long hair Mai>>>>>
honestly her original design isnt bad, the problem is that she was turned into an insufferable b***h for no reason
Here, have a higher resolution and better quality version of that image.
You just know Zuko visits Ba Sing Se weekly for "political reasons".
not sure what would be more adorable, if "Lee" would keep visiting Jin between his "outings" as a "caravan guard" and the two of them would talk about what the fire lord is doing and how the border wars between ex-fn colonies, ex-ek colonies, loyal fn colonies(now called royal provinces) are going
with Jin being very invested, but not very knowledgable about the topic, unknowingly shaping the world with her input
between romantic dates and collage level drama with hooligans
or Jin being an awkward duckling in the fire court doing her best, not quite getting her head around the situation, sort of like in pic related
>Jin forgot to wear pants again...
why would she?
>the only healthy Zuko ship
Legit any Zuko ship you could think of would be healthier than Maiko.
Songko
I just don't see the appeal of Mai, and the comics just make her totally unlikable as opposed to simply boring. It's shit lol.
Most Mai fans loathe the comics for ruining what likability she had.
>likeability
Mai and Zuko are meant, I suppose, to be complimentary. Zuko chimps out very easily and is very passionate about stuff, Mai is basically the opposite of that.
She levels him out.
But the problem is that they don't actually mesh that well together in practice for whatever reason. Maybe it's because Zuko himself isn't JUST Mr Angry Hothead, he also has a lot of his own emotional defenses. I never really bought their relationship. Mai is actually just TOO stale for her own good. All she does is scowl and be emo. That's it.
I don't really know how to fix her. Compared to Ty Lee and Azula she just lacks any personality.
It's honestly kine of shocking how almost any other woman is a better fit for Zuko emotionally.
At the end of the show, Mai was doing slightly more than scowling and emo shenanigans, her genuine care to defend Zuko even after he essentially left her behind was kinda sweet. I never cared for Mai much and that moment sold me on why people like them together. Shame the comics ruined it.
Idk I just don't get the appeal. Like it was sweet that one time, but the actual on screen romance was better with like...everyone else. He literally had more of a spark with random earth kingdom peasants than he did with his canon wife and that's fricking sad lmao
They spend half their screen time cuddling and making out, Anon.
And yet Jinko seem more well genuine than Maiko even though Jinko had one episode.
Maiko always seem forced and rushed to me like the creators wants us to care about two people who barely had screentime together before S3.
>They spend half their screen time cuddling and making out
>At the end of the show, Mai was doing slightly more than scowling and emo shenanigans, her genuine care to defend Zuko even after he essentially left her behind was kinda sweet.
the problem with Mai is that, she comes off as an incredibly entitled b***h that believes that she deserves to be with Zuko, because their parents set them up or something
which is pretty amazing that they were able to pull that off, since if you go back and rewatch the maiko scenes it becomes clear that being Zuko's cumrug is her primary goal in life
BUT Ty Lee seemed more exited hearing Azula's promise of meeting him than Mai
AND at the same time, Mai does little to form a deeper bond with Zuko and become closer to him as a person
AND she bounces between the distinct feeling of making him a favour for stick around, and throwing herself at him
not to mention that what really makes the maiko scenes feel like filler is comparing them to azuko scenes and the emotional push and pull between the siblings
bryke just can't write romance
Eh, still better than the incest slop.
>bryke just can't write romance
It's just really tiresome to see writers like that try. Aang was practically schizophrenic the way he'd bounce between being completely normal around Katara in one episode to just completely incapable of stringing sentences together in another when they decided it was time for "romance writing." The closest they ever got to a somewhat compelling Aang/Katara story was the Footloose episode, and that was in the third season. It's no wonder people latched on to Zuko/Katara, cause at least they got actually well written scenes.
Then they had the bright idea to make this kind of shit an important part of their sequel series.
Nobody shipped Zutara for being well written when it was popular before any of their few good moments. It was shipped for very shallow reasons like "fire boy and water girl", opposites attract type bullshit.
Which is all still better then the canon romance between Aang and katara.
Wrong.
No it's right, at least having duality themes is better writing then hero getting the girl because the story says so.
>"bECAUSE THE STORY SAID SO"
It's wrong and the excuses you use to dismiss a perfectly fine pairing is just pathetic.
The only way Kataang is gonna work for me is Girl Aang in Zuko's harem with Katara.
I genuinely would like to see more of girl aang due to the lack of airbender girls
>Muh duality
Cringe cope
It's at least more then whatever Katara and Aang supposed to had.
No, the cringe cope you made up isn't better than an entier show's worth of development.
Suki is always better with the make up.
There's not an entire show's worth of development for Katara and Aang romantic relationship. In fact Kataang only stunted Aang's character growth.
The actual show says otherwise.
I beg to differ.
Keep begging then.
The dance in the Headband alone blew the frick out of every single Zutara headcanon, fanfic and fanart I've ever seen.
You're both just moronic.
>I don't really know how to fix her.
She fights her ennui and finds a cause worth giving a damn which in practice is Zuko but in theory could be a type of fire nation patriotism seeing Ozai as a tyrant needing to be disposed.
The bad guys didn't have any "smart/Tactics" guys tbh
Zuko's daughter wears glasses right?
Play on that. Rewrite Mai, keep her introverted and mostly the same, but make her introverted because she's the "smart and silent one", who has a lot of good plans or devices. That's a niche that Sokka filled for team good when he wasn't playing comic clown. The thinker.
>That's a niche that Sokka filled for team good when he wasn't playing comic clown. The thinker.
Which was weird because Katara and Aang were mostly the ones who made the plans at the start.
I assume they wanted Sokka go have more depth than just being a fake jock/doofus. Having him being a doofus who can put his chips down when needed was a nice layer.
I guess it's like how they decided to change Katara from 'struggling bender outpaced by Aang' to 'prodigy waterbender even better than Aang'.
it was weird because until they decided that to make him the plan/thinker guy he was complete moron who couldn't even fish and never really showed any intelligence
He could fish though, where the frick are you guys getting this shit from? Did we even watch the same show?
Not at the start from what I remember which would prob lead him to starve to death, that's some shitty world building
Your memory is wrong he was literally shown to be able to fish in the first episode you fricking moron
you've got the screen from that moment?
>The bad guys didn't have any "smart/Tactics" guys
Technically that's Azula.
Yup, honestly all arguments against Mai before that were just seething Zutarians and other ship nonsense, the comics are a big part of why Mai is unpopular nowadays.
>are a big part of why Mai is unpopular nowadays.
nah she was barely even a character before
Nah, before that point she was a well liked character that appeared in many episodes
>but in theory could be a type of fire nation patriotism seeing Ozai as a tyrant needing to be disposed
Sounds gay, Zuko is a better option, especially since we don't have any character motivated by love yet while the patriotism thing is already Zuko's thing. And Piandao's thing.
>zuko is a better option
No because there's nothing to hold that up. Zuko could be her lover and a hope for a reformed Fire Nation(that doesn't have to give up so much of it's colonial holdings) makes sense for Mai the Noblewoman knife thrower.
Mai hate doing all that 'noblewoman stuff' tho, so it really doesn't work for her motivation to be that politically minded.
Also not really compelling for a kid show.
>Mai hate doing all that 'noblewoman stuff' tho, so it really doesn't work for her motivation to be that politically minded.
Because it was a boring but this would be exciting, going against Ozai would be a challenge to hold her interest.
Mai would be a better boost to Zuko if she actually liked/was good at 'noble stuff' frankly. He's a complete stranger at his own court by the time the show ends effectively. Having a wife who is actually good at pulling strings would have been enormously helpful.
Like I get the "Wow I'm like super rich and a noble but like icky haha I'm above it" is a common trope but Zuko has a fricking country to run. He needs connections and actual friends among his vassals.
>He's a complete stranger at his own court by the time the show ends effectively
Firelords don't have courts like you'd imagine for a chinese emperor or even french nobility.
Think less 'Court Drama' and more 'Frieza's leadership'.
I always hated Mai because she has all the benefits, and exploits them, of being nobility but pulls the “oh it’s so awful! My dad wants me to be quiet at dinners” in the Beach episode.
Bitch, your parents didn’t blink when you started throwing knives in Omashu, you weren’t oppressed
>Bitch, your parents didn’t blink when you started throwing knives in Omashu
Because being a fighter is what is expected of her, that's literally what you're taught at the academy.
I agree that part of it was Zutara stuff(How I Became Yours being the most infamous fanfic since Mai murders Katara's baby and shit), but she never had a big fan base like say, Ty Lee did, even on her own, regardless of Zuko.
There's a difference between not having a Ty Lee fanbase and being unpopular, she had a decent fanbase of her own with frequent fanfics and fanart.
Post comics it's pretty dead.
as a side piece/concubine? Sure. As the actual Fire Lady? Not really. Her being from the Earth Kingdom is bad enough. Her being a literal earth kingdom pleb would give the Revive Ozai Society a pr boost among the nobility like nothing else. If she was the earth king's relative or something he could at least spin it as a diplomatic win, but she's a peasant.
>Revive Ozai Society a pr boost
well, but it would also make for an interesting story giving Zuko an excuse to slide into punch them until they listen mentality, from which he would have to try to backtrack later
She would win over the people with her glamorous bosom.
It's never really talked about in the show "that" much, but here on Cinemaphile people reading in between the lines about Zuko's nobility being a reason his character makes decisions was interesting to read. Like, how Zuko isn't really attracted to peasant girls was one interpretation. I just think the lack of highbrow politics makes it interesting we can actually piece together logical things happening behind the scenes.
I hate that the comics are canon because they have to work around all the stupid bullshit they do. Zuko should’ve stayed with the woman he ended the show with.
Queen Suki is canon cope Sokkacuck
Nah, he should have just added Suki in addition to said woman.
I've never read the comics and I never will. For me it ended with the original show.
Mai was always shit
The comics honestly should just be noncanon. That goes for ATLA, LOK and whatever other eras they've done. There's no point in an adaptation being a slave to the endgame when the writers are clearly having so much fun going apeshit in introducing nonsense like Azula's little Akatsuki group or Zuko's ever expanding harem.
>or Zuko's ever expanding harem.
It would be too good if it was true but no, they just keep swapping the girls.
There's only one canon comic.
Based
Jin looks like the sting cheese girl.
Based
Trap Sokka would have had decent potential too.
Sokka peaked right here.
sokka goes from a 6 to a 9 with makeup.
Pretty much, yeah.
>only one canon comic
'Hot Dream' counts?
Same story so yes
I always thought it would have been better if that actually happened but Azula kept pretending it didnt happen
It would have been fun but Rising Heat is better so I'm good with it as is.
What about Song
Sure you can sing if you want to
I actually cant, I have a cold.
*blocks your path*
>Joke crackship who only recently got popular on Tumblr for no reason
Why did you drop shit in the middle of the thread?
As if this whole thread isn't just shitty crackships. At least Aang/Azula is funny
It really isn't.
>Jinko
>Zucest
>Maiko
>Crackships
Wut?
>recently
>tumblr
How in the actual frick?
>Tumblr
Is that site even still alive?
It was saved by Twitter shitting the bed and now it's trying to become Twitter too.
>Through political chicanery, Aang has to marry Azula to end or soften things after the 100 Years War.
>They have six to eight kids.
>Half are airbenders that give Aang twenty grandkids because they know what duty is.
>The other half are quite literally some of the most powerful firebenders to ever live.
I'll admit it's stupid, but I like it anyway.
Fair enough.
Kuruk too?
It works.
You know what’s even healthier? Zuko/Jin babies after nursing from those earth kingdom milkers
>So that's why grandfather was so eager on conquering the Earth Kingdom..
Facts is that Sokka would've been a better character if he was a she.
yeah but then how would you possibly justify Aang crushing on Katara if her way hotter sister was right there?
I got an idea for that.
so who would you keep as a guy?
Momo.
Come to think of it, the show wouldnt change at all if Aang was a girl.
>Hey, lord of shame, since I can feel you have more than enough equipment down there, let me show you an old Water Tribe Technique to keeping warn during the long winters. Helps pass the time too.
>Avatar but the Gaang are all girls and all have some level of attraction to Zuko
they could all do better though
Like with each other
Aang would benefit from being a girl, would have been likable
if female Aang had had the same dilemma about killing Ozai we'd be having daily threads calling her a whiny b***h
there'd be no difference other than people callig aang a mary sue here and there.
Actually there would be a quantifiable difference and that would be more porn.
>Last air nomad, has to pass on her lineage one way or another
>constantly chased by an older banished prince
>'We still can be friends'
>Is the first one in her group to accept him
>On Korra it's mentioned that same guy knows her better than the woman's widow.
Eh, shit writes itself.
Yeah, Aang x Zuko is already way more coherent than basically any other gay ship around so Fem!Aang x Zuko would be crazy.
It does, at least have something to rely on.
>fem!Aang was Fem!Roku in the past life
>Ursa is the descendant of Fem!Roku
>Aang triggers Zuko's mommy complex on a spiritual level
So Zuko is commiting incest unintentionally? Lol
He's always is on some level.
He's on a fricking roll
fixed
Eh, close enough.
Zuko sucks tho.
I never really understood why people liked his character other than, "he develops a lot".
>I never really understood why people liked his character other than, "he develops a lot"
That's actually a good thing to like though.
Interesting development is a good thing to like.
But a character just going from an angry butthole to a quiet, quirky, sun-shine and rainbows nice guy is pretty normal.
Taking a standard unlikable character and making them a standard likable character isn't really that interesting to me.
Zuko's character development is interesting though.
The only interesting Zuko moment was him wandering around the Earth Kingdom trying to find some kind of contrition.
Everything else was bland.
go back
because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about
>Avatar but the Gaang are all girls and all have some level of attraction to Zuko
so Avatar by the writers are not trying to hide the Oreimo influence ?
This is just the potential Korra wasnt able to fulfill IMO
>when you're just trying to get some sleep and some watertribe thot comes in and starts rubbing her stinkin pussy on your pajamas.
Zuki doesn't have to end with Sokka getting cucked if he joins in.
Better: He got cucked AND then join as the bottom b***h trap.
Suki is for Water-Tribe boys only
Frick you, shipgays. At this point Zuko dodged a bullet by not getting with any of the onscreen girls and marrying someone who potentially doesn't have any of their issues or social connections to the ones that DO.
Mai has a face made for facials.
it's why Azula and Zuko keep her around
That and the fact she's a pain bawd.
You just know she likes to watch and clean up with her tongue.
I should feel bad for Sokka being memed on but idk this all seems funny
Azula be like.
She would have made a great wife
what are you basing that on?
I don't even like the Katara Aang romance but i'll take them any day over Zutara.
I actually liked Zuko and Mai until the comics ruined her completely by making her cuck Zuko.
I wish Aang had an actually cute love interest.
Katara is the worst part of this show.
>I actually liked Zuko and Mai until the comics ruined her completely by making her cuck Zuko.
Same
Weren’t Zuko and Mai broken up
>Cool Zuko harem stuff get derailed by boring Zutara shit again
Who let the tumblrinas in again?
Zutara is so lame, very forced pairing.
Classic woman nonsense.
Zutara blows.
Obviously it does, it's a ship for moronic women.
Katara is a groomer
There was really no good reason not to just have Zuko frick Ty Lee honestly. Coomerism aside people actually like her. I've never met someone whose favorite girl is Mai.
And there was no reason to not have him have a harem and yet see what happened. People and TV networks have fun.
It's the same with most Harem anime and even shows like Angel where the MC has everyone fall for him at once but can only pick one because of homosexualy nonsense.
>hate fun*
My bad
>no reason
It was a kids show. There was never gonna be a harem ending anon. Be realistic.
>It was a kids show.
So was Tenchi yet he did frick them all.
>Be realistic.
I'm not unrealistic, it's Western shit that are killjoys.
Such a weird turn this thread took
Like the fire lord's bloodline after all these earth b***hes
None are the official heir so there wont be any problem
>Ursa giving birth to two different firelords
Honestly if I'm being honest Sokka should bang Mai now that Zuko is dicking Suki. They can cuck each other.
Based or even better, Sokka can get back on him by fricking his sister
your thinking too small, if Sokka really wanted to hit Zuko where it hurts, he should frick Ursa
>can
Azula wouldn't even remember he exist
Guess not
Katara has bigger breasts.
your pic isn't exactly helping to make your point
The Headband is one of the episodes that gives Kataang the most chemistry but what do anons think of On Ji?
She's cute and immediately took a liking to Aang.
dropped the pic
She occupies the same area as Jin.
“Normie” side character who has better chemistry with their respective dudes than their actual love interest.
Jinko and Aangji > Maiko and Kataang
If Kataang and Zutara are off the table then, who does Katara get with?
Zuko.
>Zutarians can't read
Explains a lot.
they make a nice threesome
technically foursome if you count Mai watching from the closet
>the angi kai fight but with sex
>Bedni Kai.
Read the posts properly, moron. No wonder you ship this garbage if you can't read well.
Azula
Azutara is even more garbage than Zutara.
Most of the time it has the same dynamic but it makes less sense.
Also I thought that was Ursa, why is Katara so pale in that picture?
Katara is ready to ice Zuko just for being involved in Aang getting zapped. How do you think she feels about the one who actually did it?
Katara wasn't mad at Zuko for nearly killing Aang but for leading her on.
In the event of AangJi and JinKo maybe Katara could end up with Jet
Real question for the real men here: did THE BOULDER found himself a woman? He was a earthbending super star, ended up on friendly terms with Toph and he was a war veteran. What’s not to like?
The Boulder is too straight to frick a woman.
THE BOULDER simply cannot choose a single woman, for it would devastate any other lady that gazes upon THE BOULDER! He won’t consider making a harem because he’s such a bro he wouldn’t make it impossible for other dudes to get chicks
THE BOULDER died for our sins
Indeed
Literally made to be colonized
Sure.
Theyre all unhealthy
>worrying if a ship is "healthy"
Fiction isn't real, anon
Last for Zucest Supremacy.
See you in the next one lads