>lets her appear in tons of sonic stuff throughout the 90s, moreso than any other western made sonic character
>still appears in official media up until 2017, even if only the comics
>somehow both the modern sonic fandom and sega themselves expect people to move on and act like this character never existed
They had a million chances to kill this character off and yet took none of them, even if she never comes back, you can’t really make people forget her.
who cares about ians fan fics made canon or ians fan fics made canon
the SCU is gonna take over and fat black woman is gonna be the new sally/tangle
Paramount is going to 100% go to Penders house and eat his lunch money. First Knuckles movie will have Enerjak as the main villain.
They will make their own characters up.
...eat his lunch money? Are you saying they're moronic?
I’m not even much of a sally fan, I just want to know what was going through sega’s heads to allow this character to keep existing if they never wanted to use her. She goes all the way back to the western sonic bible and would be used in almost every piece of sonic media in the 90s besides the games unless you count her as ricky, which she was according to the western bible. Some interpretations actually kept her close to this original ricky incarnation but most changed her to the point where she was unrecognizable and despite having several opportunities to stop having media with her included, they never did until she had already been around for over 20 years. She’s honestly really interesting to me on a meta level.
>I'm not even much of a sally fan
that's what a sally fan would say
Apparently, it was in Archie's original contract with Sega that Sally and the rest of the SatAM cast were allowed to remain in use for as long as the comic was able to run, which Ian had to remind Sega of several times whenever they tried to have her removed.
Source?
NTA, but no one can provide any sort of source regarding Archie contracts. Remember, they got burned in a fire and that's how Ken Penders was able to successfully sue Sega over Sonic Chronicles despite having next-to-no grounds.
They ALLEGEDLY got burned in a fire. It could also be that Penders was never made to sign any contracts in the first place.
I'd believe it was a fire tbh. Archie in those days was terribly mismanaged. You know the president was a serial sexual harassing lady?
You are getting your facts mixed up.
Chicken tenders was able to sue ARCHIE, despite him not getting a nickel from them.
The court threw out the Datk Brotherhood lawsuit, since he had very flimsy evidence.
I know it's a Sally thread but Sticks was great in the TV show, shame we never got a season 3.
Don't talk like a troon
I HAVE STICKZOPHRENIA
>I know it's a Sally thread but Sticks was great in the TV show, shame we never got a season 3.
You are wrong. Sticks is fricking annoying. A character who goes on LOUD SCREAMING political rants is annoying combine that shit with an annoying irritating voice by a shitty voice actress equals the character is unbearable. I seriously could not stand watching Sonic Boom because I found Sticks way too annoying and I hate the shit heads who think she's a good character.
And don't get me started on the episode about how Stick's annoying voice is a monster's lullaby. Hearing that b***h constantly screaming and making all kinds of irritating noise effects was where I quite watching that shit show.
I sincerely hope we never see this character again. Especially because no one gets into Sonic of all franchises to get into meta contrarian politics. Garbage character that only shit heads like. The Sonic franchise has a lot of awful characters and Sticks is truly one of the worst ones and only idiot furries who jerk off like this atrocious character.
If I hear of any future Sonic media that has Sticks I'm never going to give it a chance.
Sticks was a great character and was probably the second funniest character in the show after Knuckles. She's also one of the few charcters in the series that can work well with Amy, though she didn't get enough development with the others.
Banjo's more canon to the current Sonic universe then Tangle. Lmfao.
>Non-canon spinoff from 15 years
>Main series game from a couple years ago
Are you huffing that copium? Y'know your squirrel waifu is never coming back, right?
>S-spin o-off
Banjo's more canon then Tangle. Lmfao.
canon =/= good
>BTFO'd so hard that all he could do was copypaste his first comment
Lmfao.
>Banjo is more canon
>was in two games with Sonic
Uh oh, sister, you seem upset.
>Sonic crossed over with Mario
>Donkey Kong is canon to Mario
>Diddy Kong is friends with Banjo
So, more canon then Tangle.
What's being canon got to do with anything? You know, besides the potential to appear in future works.
Makes a single anti-archie gay scream and froth at the mouth
Sonic canon is moronic, shit always changes on a whim
Keep crying
>somehow both the modern sonic fandom and sega themselves expect people to move on and act like this character never existed
That's how Sega treats all of their abandoned Sonic continuities. But anything from Archie is extra sore for them. Can't even mention Knothole on a variant cover. And funny enough they intervened when Penders originally planned to kill her off.
Sally has literally no character traits that aren't already taken by other, better characters in the games. The only reason this meme character was in "official media" up until 2017 is because SatAM and Archie only had like 3 or 4 characters to work with when they started.
>sonic is asexual
>sonic does whatever the frick he wants and is unchallenged by his friends
>amy was made leader and fan screeching had her give it up in record time
Nope.
This has literally nothing to do with my post, but just in case this is some sort of attempt at a response:
>sonic is asexual
Even if you genuinely believe that, he was still "asexual" in the Archie reboot
>sonic does whatever the frick he wants and is unchallenged by his friends
Sonic SHOULD do whatever the frick he wants and be unchallenged by his friends, and he already is for most of Archie.
>amy was made leader and fan screeching had her give it up in record time
Because it should have been Knuckles, and even then, the role of "leader" is so irrelevant it just be carted off to an OC that doesn't regularly appear.
>games
>better characters
lol
When Sally was created the only other games characters were Sonic, Tails and Robotnik, I don't think they're cribbing too many of her traits. But of course zoomers don't know about that.
>When Sally was created the only other games characters were Sonic, Tails and Robotnik
That's what I said, dumbass. And the games have characters for each one of Sally's "traits".
>group leader when Sonic's not around
Knuckles
>love interest
Amy
>princess
Blaze
>comic-exclusive bossy b***h that's mean to everyone and not in the games
Lanolin
Sally has been literally pointless for the past 30 years, and her relevance keeps decreasing with each new game. But of course boomers don't know about that.
It's not about filling a role, it's about using a character they like more than everybody you just listed.
The real question should be is Sally worth replacing any of those characters with. And I don't think she is.
Sally makes for a better leader than Knuckles, she understands and works with others better.
We don't need "leaders" in modern Sonic. Leading a team is something that was left behind in the 90s, and Sonic Forces proved it wasn't a good idea.
Now if you want LGBT-representation, THAT'S something Sally provides.
You brought up group leader, moron.
>wokeshit
You will never be a woman
isn't me. I'm
.
I'm going to tell you what Sonic needs as a franchise. It needs as many horrible games that are worse than Sonic Boom and Sonic 06 combined and so that the franchise keeps being hurt while idiot Sonic moronic Fanboys keep buying it to encourage Sega to keep making shitty Sonic media. And who knows maybe one day after enough shit media Sonic can finally die.
>she understands and works with others better
Ah, so Sonic, then. See? Another character trait absorbed into a better character.
Those aren't Sonic's main traits at all, he's almost as independent as Knuckles is
Play SA1, Rush, 06, Secret Rings, Black Knight, and Forces before saying Sonic doesn't understand and work with others the most out of the entire cast.
Game Sonic is already a leader.
Yes, but that post was about the leader when Sonic wasn't around, which is why I said Knuckles and he said Sally.
leader when Sonic's not around
>Knuckles
Didn't exist when Sally was created, has been shoehorned into the "dumbass" role.
>>love interest
>Amy
Sonic actively dislikes and avoids her.
>Blaze
Didn't exist when Sally was created. Her royal features have been retconned to better service her role as Silver's arm candy.
-exclusive bossy b***h that's mean to everyone and not in the games
>Lanolin
Didn't exist when Sally was created. Still doesn't. At least you admit you only hate Sally because she was before your time, zoomie.
>Amy
>Sonic actively dislikes and avoids her.
Literally hasn't been the case for a decade now. If anything Sonic's more into her than vice versa now.
>>Amy
dislikes and avoids her
He hasn't done this since 2011.
>>>Her royal features have been retconned
Wrong. Play TSR and Murder of Sonic.
And by the way, you have no idea what this conversation is even about. The complaint was not that Sally had to reason to exist in the first place; it's that she has no reason to appear in anything else outside the comic.
Amy and Metal sonic existed to back then.
Remember, Sonic CD was in development BEFORE Sonic 2. It released after but it was intended to come out before. That's why there's an easter egg teasing Tails in it.
And yet, they had ample opportunity to get rid of this character, between robotnik’s death being a good place for the comic to end, the dreamcast era eliminating almost every other western thing from sonic, dic making another sonic show in the form of sonic underground, making a comic based on an outdated show like satam weird as frick, all the dogshit writing done by penders, and the lawsuit done by penders which forced them to give away tons of archie’s own characters to him. How did all of this happen and you decide to keep using her and the rest of the freedom fighters yet changing publishers while using the same writers to create the exact same type of comic is what made them finally stop using her.
Most people did move on except those still hung up on SatAM and/or Archie who only make up about 5% of the fandom.
I hate zoomer Sonic. Please let these classic characters stay gone and not be bastardized beyond recognition.
Reboot best Sally Cornhole
>even if she never comes back, you can’t really make people forget her
Ehh, Archie was a tie in book for a cartoon that was only supposed to last a couple of years, but ended up running for 25 years.
Sally is mostly remembered for the comic over the cartoon, if the comic ended when it was supposed to, she'd only be remembered as part of Sonic's weird early history.
But what the Hell, there's people obsessed with Fleetway Super Sonic and Cosmo who had a lot shorter timespan than her.
Cool story bro.
I already know about this and it just makes it confusing whenever I hear idw fans say sally and all those other archie characters should stay stuck in the past when a lot of idw is just archie under a different coat of paint and with more restrictions
>Never appeared in a Sonic game beyond that shitty Spinball game made by SoA.
>SoJ had no hand in her creation and didn't really know who she was.
>Only really known in America.
>Yet Sega is expected to stop everything and put this character in a game just because.
This is prime entitlement and inflated self-importance. I like AoStH and you don't see me whining about Scratch and Grounder not being put in as Eggman's lackeys. Just enjoy what you have ffs.
I’m not say she should come back, I’m saying sega shouldn’t have allowed her to be used as much by secondary media as she was if they didn’t want anything to do with her
Remember when Sally cucked Sonic?
I sure do!
>Ken Penders says he took her virginity
When she was 14. Lmfao
He doesn't actually say that. The opposite, actually, he says he couldn't make it happens.
Also, what he said after he quit Archie comics can not be considered canon. Only official sources can.
Ken Penders wrote every Geoffrey story and invented Geoffrey. What he says about his past stories is true.
His donut steel is actually ripped from a background character in SatAM.
I'm of the opinion that ALL Sonic Female Characters are pointless uninteresting shit. Their only purpose is to appeal to certain fetishist furries who are failures at life. But meaningful characters up there with Knuckles and Shadow? No fricking way. Your worthless jerking off dick counts for nothing.
And I'm glad shitty females from the comics don't get acknowledged. Sadly we are forever stuck with Shitty Amy because Sega created that pile of shit. Even worse is how they keep pretending she's part of the core Classic Genesis Sonic Era. Most people didn't even play Sonic CD and she didn't even look recognizable to her redesign. Amy is shit. She was shit when she was a stupid fangirl stalker and she's shit now that Sega is desperately trying to make her the Token Girl of the main group. At least the other female characters like Rouge and Cream have the courtesy to not appear in main Sonic games, but this pink shit is sadly shilled by Sega. Makes me wonder what's taking Sega so long to implement Amy in the recent theatrical Sonic Movies. It's like, you know they WANT to shill her. They've been surprisingly taking their time when it comes to shilling Amy. Ugh terrible character.
Japan doesnt like Sally its always Amy. Western sonic troons always be seething.
Sticks is around since japan likes her and her japanese VA is a huge sonic fan who loves Shadow
>Japan doesnt like Sonic
Fixed. Sonic failed in Japan because they never got any of the good media.
Sonic X only survived based on international appeal and not local
She's naked
If Sally did come back, she'd be
-Heavily redesigned to barely resemble her original look
-Be openly and aggressively bisexual, but only show interest in girls
-Constantly steal the spotlight away from Sonic and the other game characters
-Be written specifically to appeal to the twitter audience
-Be glued to other female OCs that she gets along way better with than any of the game characters
Then you'd all be unhappy and regret trying so hard to get her back in the first place.
I only want her back because it would make SoJ bootlickers seethe. I don’t care what happens to her character after that.
That's pathetic.
So stick her with Nichole?
Basically what the reboot already did.
She becomes gay for Amy.
Like Surge?
Yes, it becomes a running theme that Amy makes girls question themselves.
>people would be unhappy with wokeshit
Duh
I'm so glad that Sally was never paired up with Nicole, I lost a lot of respect for Ian Flynn trying to make the chipmunk that married and had children with Sonic into a lesbian. Ian should've controlled his garbage lesbian fetish and let Nicole and Sally have a sisterly relationship. Besides, Sally was never his character, and a creator doing that kind of orientation shit with someone else's character is nasty. Don't care about Whisper or Tangle being crying lesbians, it was obvious that was intended from the start.
The sheer divide between game Sonic and comic Sonic is interesting to me. Game Sonic just goes where he wants, runs into trouble and makes the decision to fight on his own. The majority of the time whenever any of his friends get involved, it's either pure coincidence or they have to deliberately seek him out because Sonic doesn't carry a phone.
In the comics, there's always some girl trying to tell him what to do and whether he complies or not seems to depend on how the writer is feeling that month.
she's not in the games so nobody cares
Spinball
the real games
A cameo in one bonus stage, making her about as relevant as Scratch.
Scratch is based too. Him and Grounder deserve to be Eggman’s lackeys instead of Orbot and Cubot.
Fact. Orbot and Cubot have way less appeal.
Even less relevant.
Scratch was in 2 games; Game Gear Spinball and Mean Bean Machine. Sally just has the one.
Scratch and Sally weren't in the Game Gear version of Spinball; just the Genesis original.
My mistake. I got the number of bits wrong when reading the wiki article.
Still, that makes 2 for scratch.
>you can’t really make people forget her.
and why should sega give a shit about what some archie homosexualron want?
just move on or keep making fan stuff with her wtihout trying to force sega support your autism
Dead character that will never come back.
Post Robotnik, b***hes.
>write a game about Robotnik taking over the world
>cast it WORSE than if it had characters made for leadership roles and resistance fighters
For me, that's the kicker. They made these characters FOR those roles and fumble the goddamn game about what SatAM was about at least partially by denying its existence.
>I point out how sega handled getting rid of sally in the worst possible way by allowing content to be made involving her for over 20 years
>This somehow means I am saying they should bring her back and out her in the games
All I’m saying they should’ve if they wanted her to be forgotten, they should have stopped archie years before 2017. I’m just pointing out sega being dumbasses.
No one is responding to the hypothetical claim that she should come back; we are all saying that Sally is so irrelevant that most people either HAVE forgotten her already or never knew her in the first place due to being so niche and irrelevant.
I still see her be brought up a lot in the sonic fandom these days and I don’t think that’ll ever change but that’s just me. Also kind of seems odd to me to allow a comic with such niche characters to run for over 20 years
People clearly haven't forgotten her, she's still popular, which is impressive considering she never appears in any of the media.
Online popularity does not leak into the real world.
In that case, I’m pretty sure every sonic character besides sonic and eggman are niche and irrelevant
Tell that to Snyder fans.
I think you underestimate the power of waifugays to keep something alive far past its shelf date.
A lot of my autist hate is performative, but Kuta's a guy that I find creepy. I use his autism as an explanation for his behavior, but maybe he's just a creepy bastard irrespective of his obvious tism.
Female mobians must dress minimally to showcase their featureless bod
My mobian hates clothes
>bisexual
These days I'm amazed if I see a female Sonic OC who's straight.
Sonichu is very straight.
Mobian females should wear scarves and vests only.
Here’s your average hedgehog fan
Is that Christine-chan?
Don't care about her, I want Nicole back
I miss her so much
I like the new Sally design. She looks less like an anthro human with a furry head into more of a Sonic design. She is still cute guys, come on. You can still fap to her.
I wish that the people drawing nu Sally would make up their mind over whether she was supposed to have ginger hair or red hair, that inconsistency annoyed me.
my question is why they shade her hair with purple.
Imagine.