Season of the Witch is really not that bad, though. Godzilla crapped out one of the best trilogies of all time, though, so I won't tolerate such a shitty opinion.
Well I don't like the 90's beam spam stuff. The suits are all fat, the cinematography is boring, and the story is boring. I lost all respect for the Heisei series, when I rewatched watched them, after seeing the Gamera trilogy. Now there is a series of movies that tried to improve the Kaiju spectacle with each new entry. Meanwhile the last heisei movie, has lazy compositing shots, where Godzilla is attacking the city in the background, while people are just going about their business.
>Well I don't like the 90's beam spam stuff
Same. Millennium era mogs Heisei hard in terms of the fights. The monsters tend to knock each other around more, seeming more flexible yet having more weight to them and the beam always feels like a powerful finishing move.
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Anonymous
I am a shameless showagay. Yes, it's goofy kids stuff, but man does it bring a smile to my face. Also, Hedorah used to freak the everloving frick out of me as a kid.
Some of it more than the rest, yes. Point is, I don't think anybody has ever pretended like the whole of James Bond or Godzilla are good. The fans of these content themselves with liking some of the movies, not liking others, and not getting too bend out of shape by this state of affairs.
because a series which is supposed to be consistent within itself means a shit movie, is at least a shit part of a series they're following and will likely thereby affect the quality of the movies taking place after it
I'm not a star wars watcher myself, but that's a clear difference to me
Bad sequels don't make good originals worse. Just watch the good one and ignore the bad one.
>nooooo the IP owner (not even the original creator, lmao) tells me I have to consider all of them cannon and I am a slave to their whims, I have to consider all of them when evaluating the worth of any of them!
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Anonymous
sure, that's moronic, if anyone says that.
but if we assume someone for whatever reason has hopes that new thing will also be good, that's what a streak of shit would ruin.
in the case of godzilla, if any movie in a current line sucks, they'll just reset again
2 years ago
Anonymous
starwars retcons stuff so often, you may as well consider each subsequent movie a soft-reboot of the previous.
basically, just get over it. watch and enjoy the ones you like, and disregard the rest. the bad ones cannot detract from the good ones unless you choose to allow it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
maybe you're right about star wars, I guess I wouldn't know.
but how common is it in any series that a really good movie follows a shit one? I think It's mostly either a sign of what's to come or it just ends
2 years ago
Anonymous
>but how common is it in any series that a really good movie follows a shit one?
Historically it's very rare. Which makes it all the more weird that star wars fans seem to take their predicament so hard. Nobody gets bent out of shape that highlander 7 wasn't any good, but star wars fans seem to expect their series to be an exception. It's perplexing.
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Anonymous
in that's case I'd think it has to do with if there's a series that has established a level of quality, as opposed to one movie. like the difference between a new Land Before Time compared to if peter jackson made three sequels to Lord of the Rings and they sucked
>Biolante
the best of the bunch imho, I really like that movie.
Bio was the 80s not 90s.
pic.
of course Godzilla fans can say that. every movie ignores every other movie
because a series which is supposed to be consistent within itself means a shit movie, is at least a shit part of a series they're following and will likely thereby affect the quality of the movies taking place after it
I'm not a star wars watcher myself, but that's a clear difference to me
Biollante literally pics up hours after the end of 1984.
There have been some extremely bad godzilla movies.
>There have been some extremely bad godzilla movies.
No there hasn't. Revenge is the worse as it's a glorified clip show and it's still fun for kids.
Your pic vs SpaceGodzilla is weak at worst.
Pros! > IMO the single best G suit of the franchise. > Ghidorah & MKG look great. > The final Tokyo set is among the best of the series. > Battles are all very good. > Great score. > Shendo is among the best human characters of the series & gives possibly the biggest 2 emotional beats. > The fleshed out origin for G (pre-time travel) is solid. > The time travel plot is very inventive & unique for the franchise. > Film felt/looks sleek & modern. > Miki returns & we see how she has grown out of the youthful shy shell she had in vs Bio. > The UFO prop is well crafted & detailed.
Cons! > The resultant effects (or lack thereof) of changing history are incoherent/unexplained. > I'm fine with the overall Japanese nationalist message but the campy caricature of the WW2 American army personal & their dialogue is hyper cringy/grating. > The Dorats look like cheap toys. > The time travel villains are just kinda off & weakly performed. The leader gets a few decent lines but that is it. > The ginger Terminator was semi cringe.
Pros! > Fantastic score. > G's death is extremely well done. > Burning G's suit is largely great (especially the head/neck) > Godzilla Jr's suit was fairly good. > I really like them bringing back a SuperX & Kuroki. > Final battle is largely good & brutal. > Destroyah's origin & connection to Gojira is solid mythos. > Miki being given more to do than in most of the 90s films. > Most of Destroyah's designs are flawed but good IMO. Head is great. His purely flying form is great & a scene of it dog fighting the SuperX3 would have been awesome. > I actually like the Aliens-homage/ripoff scene of the swat teams fighting the crab Destroyahs. The scale to life animatronics for them in these scenes are solid.
Cons! > The secondary psychic chick was redundant and took time away from Miki. > The main young male character was also redundant & him fawning over Miki in his introductory scene was cringy. > The final Destroyah suit is too bulky for it's own good, arms too small. > The smallest props/puppets for the crab Destroyers are cheap looking, thankfully it's only glaring in the scene with the masers blasting them in the day (in the scene with them crawling all over G, the night time lighting hides it)
The cinematography sucks in those movies. Everything is flat and boring. It's boring to look at. It doesn't help that the monsters are all fat as frick, and beamspam so much that Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla only saw one physical attack being thrown. But all that boring beamspamming between fat monsters, is made to look extremely unappealing and fat, by an incompetent camera team. And the boring and nonsensical human stories don't help at all.
man you suck so bad
Huge franchises that were never good but boomers keep pretending they are
>Godzilla
>Doctor Who
>James Bond
>Star Trek
>Star Wars
>Halloween
I wouldn't even argue for that one.
Season of the Witch is really not that bad, though. Godzilla crapped out one of the best trilogies of all time, though, so I won't tolerate such a shitty opinion.
Replace the 90's crap with the Kiryu saga, and I'll agree.
Nah. I don't like that Mechagodzilla as much.
Well I don't like the 90's beam spam stuff. The suits are all fat, the cinematography is boring, and the story is boring. I lost all respect for the Heisei series, when I rewatched watched them, after seeing the Gamera trilogy. Now there is a series of movies that tried to improve the Kaiju spectacle with each new entry. Meanwhile the last heisei movie, has lazy compositing shots, where Godzilla is attacking the city in the background, while people are just going about their business.
>Well I don't like the 90's beam spam stuff
Same. Millennium era mogs Heisei hard in terms of the fights. The monsters tend to knock each other around more, seeming more flexible yet having more weight to them and the beam always feels like a powerful finishing move.
I am a shameless showagay. Yes, it's goofy kids stuff, but man does it bring a smile to my face. Also, Hedorah used to freak the everloving frick out of me as a kid.
Is Tokyo SOS better than Against Mechagodzilla?
Frick. I think it's true. Just be honest and think about it. They all actually mostly suck a lot.
Godzilla and James Bond both have a few good movies and a lot of crap. I don't think anybody has ever claimed otherwise.
And yet it's crap that is highly enjoyable, as long as it doesn't take itself super duper seriously.
Some of it more than the rest, yes. Point is, I don't think anybody has ever pretended like the whole of James Bond or Godzilla are good. The fans of these content themselves with liking some of the movies, not liking others, and not getting too bend out of shape by this state of affairs.
Don't EVER post again.
Destroyah says otherwise, homosexual.
Godzilla movies are great, I love seeing all the neat models get smashed up.
I like em
Biolante movie could be made into a mini series.
>Biolante
the best of the bunch imho, I really like that movie.
pic.
of course Godzilla fans can say that. every movie ignores every other movie
That's not true, but I don't see how that's relevant anyway.
because a series which is supposed to be consistent within itself means a shit movie, is at least a shit part of a series they're following and will likely thereby affect the quality of the movies taking place after it
I'm not a star wars watcher myself, but that's a clear difference to me
Bad sequels don't make good originals worse. Just watch the good one and ignore the bad one.
>nooooo the IP owner (not even the original creator, lmao) tells me I have to consider all of them cannon and I am a slave to their whims, I have to consider all of them when evaluating the worth of any of them!
sure, that's moronic, if anyone says that.
but if we assume someone for whatever reason has hopes that new thing will also be good, that's what a streak of shit would ruin.
in the case of godzilla, if any movie in a current line sucks, they'll just reset again
starwars retcons stuff so often, you may as well consider each subsequent movie a soft-reboot of the previous.
basically, just get over it. watch and enjoy the ones you like, and disregard the rest. the bad ones cannot detract from the good ones unless you choose to allow it.
maybe you're right about star wars, I guess I wouldn't know.
but how common is it in any series that a really good movie follows a shit one? I think It's mostly either a sign of what's to come or it just ends
>but how common is it in any series that a really good movie follows a shit one?
Historically it's very rare. Which makes it all the more weird that star wars fans seem to take their predicament so hard. Nobody gets bent out of shape that highlander 7 wasn't any good, but star wars fans seem to expect their series to be an exception. It's perplexing.
in that's case I'd think it has to do with if there's a series that has established a level of quality, as opposed to one movie. like the difference between a new Land Before Time compared to if peter jackson made three sequels to Lord of the Rings and they sucked
To be fair. Godxilla never hit the the bottom like the last jedi did....and that says A LOT when that 80s TV show was a thing.
There have been some extremely bad godzilla movies.
Bio was the 80s not 90s.
Biollante literally pics up hours after the end of 1984.
>There have been some extremely bad godzilla movies.
No there hasn't. Revenge is the worse as it's a glorified clip show and it's still fun for kids.
Your pic vs SpaceGodzilla is weak at worst.
TBF I have never seen the anime trilogy.
>Bio was the 80s not 90s.
Does that matter?
And SpaceGodzilla looked cool, which is more than we can say about googly eyed baby godzilla there.
>Does that matter?
Yes both the 80s G movies are fricking great and universally agreed to be superior to most 90s G films even by 90s defenders.
Well there's no disputing that.
um it's kind of why we have the newer Godzilla movies bud. It was obviously time for a remake. The 90's ones are a meme and clearly really really bad.
Only new gays hate Godzilla. They think all the old movies are like the 2 shitty new Godzilla movies.
They're literally masterpieces next to the legendary crap.
It's like saying that pee is a masterpiece next to shit.
Frick you OP, they are a mixed bag but none are fully bad.
> vs King Ghidorah
Good
> vs Mothra - TBFE
Ok/Meh to Decent
> vs MechaGodzilla 2
Very Good to Near Great
> vs Space Godzilla
Weak to Ok/Meh
> vs Destroyah
Great
> Rebirth of Mothra
Good
> Rebirth of Mothra 2
Decent to Good (saved by a fantastic villain monster)
> Rebirth of Mothra 3
Very Good (actual decent lead child actor, best ghidorah suit ever, brutal battles, great score)
>> vs King Ghidorah
>Good
Pros!
> IMO the single best G suit of the franchise.
> Ghidorah & MKG look great.
> The final Tokyo set is among the best of the series.
> Battles are all very good.
> Great score.
> Shendo is among the best human characters of the series & gives possibly the biggest 2 emotional beats.
> The fleshed out origin for G (pre-time travel) is solid.
> The time travel plot is very inventive & unique for the franchise.
> Film felt/looks sleek & modern.
> Miki returns & we see how she has grown out of the youthful shy shell she had in vs Bio.
> The UFO prop is well crafted & detailed.
Cons!
> The resultant effects (or lack thereof) of changing history are incoherent/unexplained.
> I'm fine with the overall Japanese nationalist message but the campy caricature of the WW2 American army personal & their dialogue is hyper cringy/grating.
> The Dorats look like cheap toys.
> The time travel villains are just kinda off & weakly performed. The leader gets a few decent lines but that is it.
> The ginger Terminator was semi cringe.
>> vs Destroyah
>Great
Maybe just Near Great
Pros!
> Fantastic score.
> G's death is extremely well done.
> Burning G's suit is largely great (especially the head/neck)
> Godzilla Jr's suit was fairly good.
> I really like them bringing back a SuperX & Kuroki.
> Final battle is largely good & brutal.
> Destroyah's origin & connection to Gojira is solid mythos.
> Miki being given more to do than in most of the 90s films.
> Most of Destroyah's designs are flawed but good IMO. Head is great. His purely flying form is great & a scene of it dog fighting the SuperX3 would have been awesome.
> I actually like the Aliens-homage/ripoff scene of the swat teams fighting the crab Destroyahs. The scale to life animatronics for them in these scenes are solid.
Cons!
> The secondary psychic chick was redundant and took time away from Miki.
> The main young male character was also redundant & him fawning over Miki in his introductory scene was cringy.
> The final Destroyah suit is too bulky for it's own good, arms too small.
> The smallest props/puppets for the crab Destroyers are cheap looking, thankfully it's only glaring in the scene with the masers blasting them in the day (in the scene with them crawling all over G, the night time lighting hides it)
>> Rebirth of Mothra 3
>best ghidorah suit ever
The cinematography sucks in those movies. Everything is flat and boring. It's boring to look at. It doesn't help that the monsters are all fat as frick, and beamspam so much that Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla only saw one physical attack being thrown. But all that boring beamspamming between fat monsters, is made to look extremely unappealing and fat, by an incompetent camera team. And the boring and nonsensical human stories don't help at all.