Rick: Went from a stuttering mad genius to a cynical, depressed know-it-all
Morty: Went from a naive sidekick to an arguing, wrong-sounding muppet
Summer: Never had much of a personality but the writers insist on giving her episodes
Beth: Tries to be as smart and sarcastic as her dad but without any tenderness she's just a b***h
Mr. Poopybutthole: Sounds weird and should have stuck to being the end-of-season bonus.
Jerry, like Homer and Phillip J. Fry, has the biggest comedic potential because of how easily he can frick up simple things without overexplaining every action. His failures are unpredictable and he's too innocent to hate. Despite the writers doing their best to make him the target, he's the most human out of all of them. Plus, he's a Bush Wizard.
>Jerry, like Homer and Phillip J. Fry, has the biggest comedic potential because of how easily he can frick up simple things without overexplaining every action. His failures are unpredictable and he's too innocent to hate. Despite the writers doing their best to make him the target, he's the most human out of all of them. Plus, he's a Bush Wizard.
There was this one episode where they just simply uncovered the true nature of jerry to be a sociopathic emotional parasite. He is probably the most sinister character out of the ensamble
That episode was stupid. Jerry is too dumb to have some Machiavellian plot to manipulate everyone around him. If he did, his family wouldn't treat him like a joke.
I think the point Rick was trying to make is that Jerry knows being pathetic works for him so he stays pathetic to keep reaping the rewards instead of actually trying to be better.
>I think the point Rick was trying to make is that Jerry knows being pathetic works for him so he stays pathetic to keep reaping the rewards instead of actually trying to be better.
yep, thats also how does this disorder works. You dont get to be this evil genius 5d chess. Its more like you've learned that pulling the lever in others shamelessly makes you get things you want and absolves you from thinking
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But we've never seen him do this to anyone. Him being pathetic could as easily be explained by him being the token buttmonkey. He's too cowardly to impose his will on anyone and everyone is comfortable hating him.
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>Taddy Mason >letting Beth fend for herself against a crazed hobo >doing the same on the alien couples counseling planet before eventually manning up >banking on Beth to save him out of donating his penis as a heart transplant
Those are the instances that come to mind. Jerry isn't always so innocent. In fact, the Pluto episode proved he can get a big head when in power. But he's still my favourite character 🙂
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the same on the alien couples counseling planet before eventually manning up
I like to think this, and the first were done out of him slowly begining to (understandabley) resent Beth for becoming more meaner and siding with Rick over their family. He was willing to risk his life to save her from Mantis Davin, after all.
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He has the instincts of a field mouse but it doesn't mean he's manipulating people with his weakness. When it was just him and the wolf he didn't act differently.
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other than trying to have Beth save him from losing his penis, and who could say you wouldn't do the same, those aren't manipulation, those are just being pathetic
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What exactly should Jerry have done against the Hobo? It's not like if the roles were reversed Beth would be seen as bad for helping herself first
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Jerry Prime would've protected his lady.
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The whole point of that episode was that Jerry was not only happy with his life, but he was clearly resentful of Morty for being the same person that felt like Jerry had to "improve" in the first place.
>instead of actually trying to be better.
Because anytime he actually tries to better, he gets shat on as usual and people still don't try to take him seriously or try to respect his effort.
>I think the point Rick was trying to make is that Jerry knows being pathetic works for him so he stays pathetic to keep reaping the rewards instead of actually trying to be better.
yep, thats also how does this disorder works. You dont get to be this evil genius 5d chess. Its more like you've learned that pulling the lever in others shamelessly makes you get things you want and absolves you from thinking
Anon, this sounds like what actual sociopaths think. >See a person who's clearly given up on life because no one truly loves or respect him no mater what he does to try and help or be positive >uses pity because the only time people seem to actually seem to give a shit about him >pArASite
Jerry's clearly a man who's clearly depressed but has no one to truly accept him. His family clearly only tolerates him because they're his family and nothing more.
Jerry tried "Hungry for Apples?" because he thought it would make him successful. Just like Rick saying he couldn't make his marriage work, histories and character traits are retconned to fit the episode.
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Jerry may not have known it but "Hungry for Apples?" was just more Jerry brand patheticness.
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Not to mention make Rick always out to be in the Right.
I think the point Rick was trying to make is that Jerry knows being pathetic works for him so he stays pathetic to keep reaping the rewards instead of actually trying to be better.
No, the whole point was that Rick's so full of himself and so fricking egotistical, that he has to do Cartman tier monologuing out loud to Beth, Summer, and Morty (who are basically his slaves who he emotionally abuses and exploits for his own selfish desires like a domestic abuser from a Lifetime Network movie) to gaslight them and himself into thinking Jerry is an evil Machiavellian manipulator who only PRETENDS to be weak and pathetic that TRICKED them into chosing him over Rick, because the idea that a loser like Jerry could beat Rick purely off the fact that he's a good person and Rick's a monster and that his family would CHOSE Jerry over Rick, can not be tolerated and must be squashed.
That's why it's so satisfying when he eats shit in the finale and has to make do with Jerry winning his way back into the family. Why did people hate that episode so much?
Holy frick are you really taking Rick's rant there seriously? Also: >Rick is butthurt about Beth's wasted potential because she married Jerry >Finally gets what he wants with Beth's clone >Beth's clone proceeds to just go through a massive space rebel phase that even Rick says is a waste of time
>Mr. Poopybutthole: Sounds weird and should have stuck to being the end-of-season bonus.
Should not have even been brought up outside the parasite episode His entire existence was to serve as payoff for that episode's punchline and it actually improves the joke if his entire existence is never brought up again afterwards.
Imagine if Mr. Poopy Butthole never showed up again after the parasite episode but was the one Rick Prime kills with the omega device instead of Slow-Mobius. It would have made the joke even funnier.
Actually the two most recent seasons have shown very direct backtracking on Jerry hate. I think they realized how forced it was to paint Jerry as bad as everyone else and embraced him as "The dumb nice guy that means well".
Rick and Morty's biggest problem is a lack of self-awareness. Whether it would be WACKY RICK, Jerry hate, mary sue rick or whatever the writers would take way too long to realise "oh shit, people actually find this really cringey" and dial back on it. Pickle Rick backlash was basically them finding out the hard away how much WACKY RICK was overstaying its welcome.
Would be great if they figured out sooner that no one finds Poopybutthole or Rick's friends funny too, we would have be spared that abortion of a season opener.
I find Poopy funny. I just didn't feel he needed his own lengthy episode. It says a lot tho that I was never looking forward to the season opener once I found out it centered on Rick's friends. I just expect very little out of that cast of characters, and the writers somehow made it even worse than I could've imagined. Fading pill was good though
>Get hired as a writer for Rick and Morty >Your episode is literally nothing but 1(one) reference to Total Recall repeated every five seconds for the entire duration
I think this last one might have topped Horse Sperm for worst episode just because of how utterly unambitious it is. >Remember Kuato from total recall? >What if a kuato had a kuato >Oh ya? well what if the kuato's kuato has a kuato?
Brilliant, must have taken the writers a few all-nighters to figure that amazing twist out.
Nah this was no Sperm Monster. I liked it as a Summer and Morty story that explored how different their relationships are to Rick, even if it's not completely true that Morty gets everything handed on a silver platter. It being a high school episode (even for a little bit), was also nice. Tricia's stripper breasts sliding between my wiener
Okay if it had some substance regarding Morty and Summer's relationship but where was the funny? Literally the only "joke" this episode had was the exact same movie reference repeated ad nauseam.
Absolute embarrassment that this episode made it to air. Very clear the writers room has gone full California safespace where everything just gets accepted and pushed forward on its first pass without any kind of criticism (Scary and bad).
They know who their audience is. They're picking every 80's movie they can. Take 80's movie, pick something from it, force it into episode, repeat over and over into absurdity, audience laughs their asses off and makes memes to show their friends, profit. Not sure if that last part is working out for them though.
I don't get the hate. It sounds like Morty. It's still expressive despite being a last-minute redub. What more could you ask for? If anything, I take issue with Rick sounding kind of limited at times, but I'm overall satisfied with the replacements. I hope they do another Wendy's commercial so we can hear Belden and Cardoni's own takes on the characters where they're not mimicking and timing their performances to Roiland's.
I don't think the voices are the problem, it's that their pacing and delivery on the new episodes is fricked.
It's one thing to kinda sound like like roiland it's another to deliver like him. They don't and it makes their impressions more obvious.
Honestly? Yeah. It wasn't funny, it didn't add much to Beth as a character, and the emotional moments and song montage were lame. Never understood why Pickle Rick gets the brunt of the S3 complaints.
Because pickle rick was the thing obnoxious fans shaved in their face so it gets disproportionate hate. The pickle rick episode was actually good, I recently rewatched every episode and most of season 3 was pretty good. The worst season was 5.
>The worst season was 5.
THANK YOU. I get why 5 and 4 are lumped together as the most experimental and the most directionless the show ever got, but 5 genuinely had some of the worst ideas that even its few good episodes couldn't make up for. 4 was random but it was funny.
>I think this last one might have topped Horse Sperm for worst episode just because of how utterly unambitious it is.
hey look man this wasn't a good episode but let's not be mean. comparing this to horse sperm is like calling someone hitler for inconveniencing you
The squid game reference at the end was funny because they didn’t point out it was Squid game reference. Wish they could have done this for the rest of the episode
The Kuato reference in the Rick Prime episode was also fine. It's like the writer for this episode saw that part in the script, looked up what a "Kuato" was and had her little EUREKA moment oblivious to the fact that a single movie reference can't carry an entire episode.
At least that episode had the Roy plot going on as well. The Die Hard shit was also making jokes about Die Hard instead of just endlessly referencing one single aspect of it.
To what extent exactly? The most self-referential episode was the return to Story Lord. About 80% of the episode was pointing out critiques they received, meta commentary, and the Alien writer who looks like Dan Harmon
Aren't they already? They've namedropped Pickle Rick several times now and it feels like these last two seasons have been pretty consistent in making callbacks and having the world feel more lived-in.
Call it funny or lazy >oh remember the thing Johnny wrote for the episode two weeks ago? >yeh >What if we make a whole episode out of that? >lmao aight
This season's felt weirdly linear. Last season was 'cause they were stuck in one dimension for a string of episodes, but here you have Unity mentioning Rick Prime, the Kuato shit being foreshadowed, and even Morty being invited to the Frolf party in last week's end tag. I'm excited for the final three since we've pretty much eaten through all of the footage from the trailer.
>Wow Morty they do the Purge here >Oh god Morty I just got Purged she Purged me >It's okay Morty you just had Purgenol in you >Screw you Rick I'll Purge you too
It's okay for old Rick and Morty to do it but not now?
I didn't like that episode either but it was still substantially funnier. Like the bit where Rick b***hed at morty for handing him a spoon or Morty losing his shit over the shitty screenplay the dude wrote. What memorable moment was there in this episode? I watched it yesterday and I couldn't tell you.
It's why they did the divorce arc in season three. Parnell wasn't available due to do other projects so they wrote him out of most of the season. And since the divorce arc was widely reviled, this time around they just opted to not offer any explanation as to why Jerry isn't around.
didn't they have a Jerry episode like two episodes in
It's his fault for being a straight white male
>straight
he was groomed
>Groomed
He's dumb enough to get tricked by discord mods so I'd believe it
Jerry troon arc when?
>Jerry is excited about joining discord
>Gets groomed
>Troons out
>Ends up looking exactly like Summer causing the real Summer to kill herself
>jerry
>straight
Jerry was in love with another man season 1
Both Jerry's and Beth's sexualities are narcissism.
Jerry episodes are honestly the only ones I get excited for these days
they should just rename the show to Jerry
It's because every other character sucks.
Rick: Went from a stuttering mad genius to a cynical, depressed know-it-all
Morty: Went from a naive sidekick to an arguing, wrong-sounding muppet
Summer: Never had much of a personality but the writers insist on giving her episodes
Beth: Tries to be as smart and sarcastic as her dad but without any tenderness she's just a b***h
Mr. Poopybutthole: Sounds weird and should have stuck to being the end-of-season bonus.
Jerry, like Homer and Phillip J. Fry, has the biggest comedic potential because of how easily he can frick up simple things without overexplaining every action. His failures are unpredictable and he's too innocent to hate. Despite the writers doing their best to make him the target, he's the most human out of all of them. Plus, he's a Bush Wizard.
>Jerry, like Homer and Phillip J. Fry, has the biggest comedic potential because of how easily he can frick up simple things without overexplaining every action. His failures are unpredictable and he's too innocent to hate. Despite the writers doing their best to make him the target, he's the most human out of all of them. Plus, he's a Bush Wizard.
There was this one episode where they just simply uncovered the true nature of jerry to be a sociopathic emotional parasite. He is probably the most sinister character out of the ensamble
That episode was stupid. Jerry is too dumb to have some Machiavellian plot to manipulate everyone around him. If he did, his family wouldn't treat him like a joke.
I think the point Rick was trying to make is that Jerry knows being pathetic works for him so he stays pathetic to keep reaping the rewards instead of actually trying to be better.
>I think the point Rick was trying to make is that Jerry knows being pathetic works for him so he stays pathetic to keep reaping the rewards instead of actually trying to be better.
yep, thats also how does this disorder works. You dont get to be this evil genius 5d chess. Its more like you've learned that pulling the lever in others shamelessly makes you get things you want and absolves you from thinking
But we've never seen him do this to anyone. Him being pathetic could as easily be explained by him being the token buttmonkey. He's too cowardly to impose his will on anyone and everyone is comfortable hating him.
>Taddy Mason
>letting Beth fend for herself against a crazed hobo
>doing the same on the alien couples counseling planet before eventually manning up
>banking on Beth to save him out of donating his penis as a heart transplant
Those are the instances that come to mind. Jerry isn't always so innocent. In fact, the Pluto episode proved he can get a big head when in power. But he's still my favourite character 🙂
the same on the alien couples counseling planet before eventually manning up
I like to think this, and the first were done out of him slowly begining to (understandabley) resent Beth for becoming more meaner and siding with Rick over their family. He was willing to risk his life to save her from Mantis Davin, after all.
He has the instincts of a field mouse but it doesn't mean he's manipulating people with his weakness. When it was just him and the wolf he didn't act differently.
other than trying to have Beth save him from losing his penis, and who could say you wouldn't do the same, those aren't manipulation, those are just being pathetic
What exactly should Jerry have done against the Hobo? It's not like if the roles were reversed Beth would be seen as bad for helping herself first
Jerry Prime would've protected his lady.
The whole point of that episode was that Jerry was not only happy with his life, but he was clearly resentful of Morty for being the same person that felt like Jerry had to "improve" in the first place.
>instead of actually trying to be better.
Because anytime he actually tries to better, he gets shat on as usual and people still don't try to take him seriously or try to respect his effort.
Anon, this sounds like what actual sociopaths think.
>See a person who's clearly given up on life because no one truly loves or respect him no mater what he does to try and help or be positive
>uses pity because the only time people seem to actually seem to give a shit about him
>pArASite
Jerry's clearly a man who's clearly depressed but has no one to truly accept him. His family clearly only tolerates him because they're his family and nothing more.
Jerry tried "Hungry for Apples?" because he thought it would make him successful. Just like Rick saying he couldn't make his marriage work, histories and character traits are retconned to fit the episode.
Jerry may not have known it but "Hungry for Apples?" was just more Jerry brand patheticness.
Not to mention make Rick always out to be in the Right.
No, the whole point was that Rick's so full of himself and so fricking egotistical, that he has to do Cartman tier monologuing out loud to Beth, Summer, and Morty (who are basically his slaves who he emotionally abuses and exploits for his own selfish desires like a domestic abuser from a Lifetime Network movie) to gaslight them and himself into thinking Jerry is an evil Machiavellian manipulator who only PRETENDS to be weak and pathetic that TRICKED them into chosing him over Rick, because the idea that a loser like Jerry could beat Rick purely off the fact that he's a good person and Rick's a monster and that his family would CHOSE Jerry over Rick, can not be tolerated and must be squashed.
That's why it's so satisfying when he eats shit in the finale and has to make do with Jerry winning his way back into the family. Why did people hate that episode so much?
That was Rick coping about losing his daughter to a fricking loser like Jerry because he actually showed her the affection Rick wouldn't.
Holy frick are you really taking Rick's rant there seriously? Also:
>Rick is butthurt about Beth's wasted potential because she married Jerry
>Finally gets what he wants with Beth's clone
>Beth's clone proceeds to just go through a massive space rebel phase that even Rick says is a waste of time
I wonder how many people unironically took Rick's rant about love in season 1 seriously
>Mr. Poopybutthole: Sounds weird and should have stuck to being the end-of-season bonus.
Should not have even been brought up outside the parasite episode His entire existence was to serve as payoff for that episode's punchline and it actually improves the joke if his entire existence is never brought up again afterwards.
Imagine if Mr. Poopy Butthole never showed up again after the parasite episode but was the one Rick Prime kills with the omega device instead of Slow-Mobius. It would have made the joke even funnier.
shit that would've been so good
>Summer: Never had much of a personality but the writers insist on giving her episodes
Her personality is being insecure and trying to one up morty.
Actually the two most recent seasons have shown very direct backtracking on Jerry hate. I think they realized how forced it was to paint Jerry as bad as everyone else and embraced him as "The dumb nice guy that means well".
Rick and Morty's biggest problem is a lack of self-awareness. Whether it would be WACKY RICK, Jerry hate, mary sue rick or whatever the writers would take way too long to realise "oh shit, people actually find this really cringey" and dial back on it. Pickle Rick backlash was basically them finding out the hard away how much WACKY RICK was overstaying its welcome.
Would be great if they figured out sooner that no one finds Poopybutthole or Rick's friends funny too, we would have be spared that abortion of a season opener.
I find Poopy funny. I just didn't feel he needed his own lengthy episode. It says a lot tho that I was never looking forward to the season opener once I found out it centered on Rick's friends. I just expect very little out of that cast of characters, and the writers somehow made it even worse than I could've imagined. Fading pill was good though
So did God cause the Mortyplicity episode because they were going to go kill God?
He's apparently real.
>Get hired as a writer for Rick and Morty
>Your episode is literally nothing but 1(one) reference to Total Recall repeated every five seconds for the entire duration
I think this last one might have topped Horse Sperm for worst episode just because of how utterly unambitious it is.
>Remember Kuato from total recall?
>What if a kuato had a kuato
>Oh ya? well what if the kuato's kuato has a kuato?
Brilliant, must have taken the writers a few all-nighters to figure that amazing twist out.
>total recall
man Im really too young to watch this, and Im 32
The Voltron/Goodfellas episode made me realize that. Some of these jokes in recent seasons feel like they'd only be funny for people pushing 40.
I'm 39, and I get the references, but it's just not funny to yell REFERENCE constantly
Do you just not watch anything that's older than you?
I haven't seen a lot of the Schwarzenegger movies, still slowly making my way through them
Reference jokes should be funny whether you've seen the thing it's referencing or not.
OPEN YOUR MIND
Nah this was no Sperm Monster. I liked it as a Summer and Morty story that explored how different their relationships are to Rick, even if it's not completely true that Morty gets everything handed on a silver platter. It being a high school episode (even for a little bit), was also nice. Tricia's stripper breasts sliding between my wiener
Okay if it had some substance regarding Morty and Summer's relationship but where was the funny? Literally the only "joke" this episode had was the exact same movie reference repeated ad nauseam.
Absolute embarrassment that this episode made it to air. Very clear the writers room has gone full California safespace where everything just gets accepted and pushed forward on its first pass without any kind of criticism (Scary and bad).
>between my wiener
>between my wiener
come again??
anon unzipped dick and thought nobody would notice
oh jeez
wait wasn't she the birdman's fake bride?
that was tammy
They know who their audience is. They're picking every 80's movie they can. Take 80's movie, pick something from it, force it into episode, repeat over and over into absurdity, audience laughs their asses off and makes memes to show their friends, profit. Not sure if that last part is working out for them though.
They're 10 years out of date to make 80s references like millennials are still the main audience. Their writers are out of touch, to the max.
I was already on the fence on Morty's new VA, but this episode cemented my distaste for his voice
I don't get the hate. It sounds like Morty. It's still expressive despite being a last-minute redub. What more could you ask for? If anything, I take issue with Rick sounding kind of limited at times, but I'm overall satisfied with the replacements. I hope they do another Wendy's commercial so we can hear Belden and Cardoni's own takes on the characters where they're not mimicking and timing their performances to Roiland's.
I don't think the voices are the problem, it's that their pacing and delivery on the new episodes is fricked.
It's one thing to kinda sound like like roiland it's another to deliver like him. They don't and it makes their impressions more obvious.
No. ABC's of Beth is still the worst episode.
Honestly? Yeah. It wasn't funny, it didn't add much to Beth as a character, and the emotional moments and song montage were lame. Never understood why Pickle Rick gets the brunt of the S3 complaints.
Because pickle rick was the thing obnoxious fans shaved in their face so it gets disproportionate hate. The pickle rick episode was actually good, I recently rewatched every episode and most of season 3 was pretty good. The worst season was 5.
>The worst season was 5.
THANK YOU. I get why 5 and 4 are lumped together as the most experimental and the most directionless the show ever got, but 5 genuinely had some of the worst ideas that even its few good episodes couldn't make up for. 4 was random but it was funny.
THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN
>I think this last one might have topped Horse Sperm for worst episode just because of how utterly unambitious it is.
hey look man this wasn't a good episode but let's not be mean. comparing this to horse sperm is like calling someone hitler for inconveniencing you
The squid game reference at the end was funny because they didn’t point out it was Squid game reference. Wish they could have done this for the rest of the episode
S-Squid Game reference?
End credit scene.
The masked guys making 69 jokes. The dialogue in squid game was that stupud no exaggeration.
The Kuato reference in the Rick Prime episode was also fine. It's like the writer for this episode saw that part in the script, looked up what a "Kuato" was and had her little EUREKA moment oblivious to the fact that a single movie reference can't carry an entire episode.
Die hard Die hard DIE HARD DIE HARD!
At least that episode had the Roy plot going on as well. The Die Hard shit was also making jokes about Die Hard instead of just endlessly referencing one single aspect of it.
Die hard was the B plot of that episode, Roy was the A plot.
Nothing wrong with reference humour, but when they point it out it’s ruins the joke.
Anyway I still laugh at this Kuato joke to this day
They should have never fired Roiland at all
How long until R&M starts referencing itself?
To what extent exactly? The most self-referential episode was the return to Story Lord. About 80% of the episode was pointing out critiques they received, meta commentary, and the Alien writer who looks like Dan Harmon
Aren't they already? They've namedropped Pickle Rick several times now and it feels like these last two seasons have been pretty consistent in making callbacks and having the world feel more lived-in.
Has been since season 2
fun movie, i never thought of david wain as anything more than the warden or that one girl on bobs burger
I think it's funny the episode was foreshadowed two weeks ago.
Call it funny or lazy
>oh remember the thing Johnny wrote for the episode two weeks ago?
>yeh
>What if we make a whole episode out of that?
>lmao aight
This season's felt weirdly linear. Last season was 'cause they were stuck in one dimension for a string of episodes, but here you have Unity mentioning Rick Prime, the Kuato shit being foreshadowed, and even Morty being invited to the Frolf party in last week's end tag. I'm excited for the final three since we've pretty much eaten through all of the footage from the trailer.
>Wow Morty they do the Purge here
>Oh god Morty I just got Purged she Purged me
>It's okay Morty you just had Purgenol in you
>Screw you Rick I'll Purge you too
It's okay for old Rick and Morty to do it but not now?
I didn't like that episode either but it was still substantially funnier. Like the bit where Rick b***hed at morty for handing him a spoon or Morty losing his shit over the shitty screenplay the dude wrote. What memorable moment was there in this episode? I watched it yesterday and I couldn't tell you.
The tictac bit and the lighthouse keeper’s screenplay still get me every time
So the Rick and Morty anime is suppose to release any day now, how we feeling?
They made that spaghetti look way too good
I'd eat her out
I missed the discussion last week. What'd everyone think of Morty’s Mindblowers 2?
Best episode of the season, which is not saying much.
Jerricky is slightly better
grass tastes bad
Frick Jerry
Frick Dick & Snorty
Frick you, OP.
This guy is the hot dad everyone goes crazy about on tiktok? He doesn't even look like he has dad bod. Frick outta here
Parnell's busy doing other shit.
It's why they did the divorce arc in season three. Parnell wasn't available due to do other projects so they wrote him out of most of the season. And since the divorce arc was widely reviled, this time around they just opted to not offer any explanation as to why Jerry isn't around.
A Total Recall episode?
Schwarzenegger will die within the year.