Personally I believe Insomniac Spider-Man is one of the best adaptations of the material. The only real shitty parts of this universe are
>Lois Lane knockoff MJ
>Silvermane looking Hammerhead
>Weak base costume (which is really a non issue because you can swap to whatever suit you want at the start of the game).
Hell it has the only decent version of Miles too. Can we talk about this universe for a bit, maybe hopes/wants for 2? When might we see some real footage?
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I hate that they're going with the symbiote being man-made route. I've always hated that origin.
i hope they pull a twist and have peter already have done the symbiote arc and somehow norman and oscorp got a hold of it since then
the the do you have a black suit line makes sense and they could even do something really cool like a few flashback missions with peter and mj telling miles about it
then we can get a flash back aunt may cameo return
That would be pretty cool actually
That would be cool, i just dont expect it. Since they prupsufully didnt have the black suit in the first game to do the saga later.
Every word you just said is wrong
LOL
>Mad at a BLM mural being in Harlem
Are you fricking serious? This is like complaining about there being swastikas in a videogame about WWII
moron.
>harlem
>place known for having black people
>had black lives matter mural
Wow next you'll be telling me I can get mexican food in mexico.
frick off slott
>don't let this be a miles thread, don't let this be a miles thread, don't let this be a miles thread, don't let this be a miles thread, don't let this be a miles thread
I don't like some of the slottisms but it's good otherwise
See this is why our board is fricking garbage. If it's not porn or shitposting, you genuinely don't give a frick. Well frick you, I'm going to actually talk about what I like for a change so suck my dick.
Not exactly confirmed. OSCORP has a space program in this universe. Could have been found on a satellite
The only Slott-isms are two characters he created. That's really it. He had next to nothing to do with this game's creation, and the material is really more encompassing of the entire fiction.
>See this is why our board is fricking garbage
Our board is fricking garbage because moronic casuals like you play a game, ignore all of the actual Cinemaphile content for a character, and then insist said game is the best thing the character's ever appeared in.
Not all the tumblr tier posts, cal arts webcomics or shows aimed at girls threads?
No, it was this specific thread that ruined it all. Up until today, Cinemaphile was a perfectly fine Utopia--then gaybag OP showed up.
Typical.
have a nice day Black personhomosexual troony
An inability to detect blatant sarcasm is one of the most notorious signs of autism, you know.
have a nice day troony
>only decent version of miles
Uh I think you are missing something bro. Also miles looks better in itsv
>slott fan has shit taste
who would've thought
I don't give a shit about Slott. You're trying to force a stupid narrative that this game is his creation to gather support to shit on it
frick slott u don't fool us go back to sock puppeting at cbr
The patrician choice
Black cat looks good on that cover, but I hate her in-game design. Is it that sexist for a character to have a boob window?
Silver Sable looks boring
Screwball exists
WHAT THE FRICK IS EVERYBODY BRINGING UP SLOTT FOR!!!!????
Because Mister Negative and Screwball are in the game. That’s literally the only reason. Martin isn’t even a bad character, and required other/better writers to give him some love. But shitposters love to latch onto this game because it’s easy ammo to trigger people over
Not your pic pretender. You don't even read comics
Shut the frick up, you moron.
I hate the white spider logo
so why is miles in the game? Didn't he have his own game?
He’s a sidekick that got his own spin-off after the events of the main game.
I’ll give the game credit for having the balls to basically give the middle finger to OMD
>I’ll give the game credit for having the balls to basically give the middle finger to OMD
wow they're so brave for responding to OMD in a different continuity
Hey at least Chris Gage did something about it
I still want to play it. I've always liked Insomniac's games. It just never happened for me.
Spiderman on average has good games too.
not a fan of aunt may dying, we really don't see that much of her for it to be that impactful. I wish the scene of peter and doc going to that science exhibit was in the first game
Id agree that its one of the best adaptations, but i would say this miles wasn't particularly good, he was an absolute afterthought in the first game and his spinoff just re-did the main game's plot but worse. Also li and otto are far too similar to both be the main villains of the first game, li should have had a different target at least.
Also not a fan of this norman at all.
Had a good peter so it evens out.
Oh also cat wearing armor was lame as frick. In general the villains outside of ock and vulture didnt look too good for me.
Also also would add that for this being a spider-man with 8 years of experience him not having fought any of his "big 3" yet (or others fitting those roles) feels a bit like a cop out, in general it makes him feel less experienced than most iterations of the character.
I disagree simply because he's able to fight two Sinister Six members at a time
His Superior Spider-Man was great. Not his fault Marvel wanted the status quo back. Man you're really hell bent on being a jerk today, aren't you?
moron. Read the last panel
And?
I'd rather save a playable Venom for a spin-off game like Miles. It doesn't detract from Peter's story, and gives Eddie his own time to shine/work out mechanics fully
>and gives Eddie
>still thinking Venom will be Eddie in the Insomniac universe.
>And?
Man you have a shit taste
Yeah, thats not particularly impressive, at least for one with 8 years of experience. But i mostly mean that he's pretty univlvoed with his villains since his big 3 arent there yet (nor their spinoff three of which are also massively impactful to peter) which makes this feel like wanting to have your cake and eating it too.
wow you weren't joking at all about derailing this thread
Being able to play as Venom is a must, and hopefully they don't force anymore MJ type segments on us.
In the DLC with blackcat, MJ basically says she’s done with the whole sneaking around bit. Insomniac was aware of the backlash to the MJ sections.
Honestly, the miles game was kinda meh, by that point I had played so much of the first it was just boring, also they ruined the first by changing peters face in the "remaster".
>also they ruined the first by changing peters face in the "remaster".
I'm personally not bothered by it because Peter is wearing a mask most of the time. I'd be more upset if they swapped voice actors
>>Weak base costume
It's actually a really strong design. Feels athletic, superheroic.
Unironically shit taste
I came to like the insomniac suit. Also gives the symbiote a base for the tarantula
It spider-man condensced for people who dont like Spider-Man. Such an awful peter
Why would people who don’t like spider man buy the game with spider man?
It was decently fun to play, didn't bother with any of the dlc or the ps5 dlc, as a more general question do you think that one day Miles will have his own Ben Reilly?
>>Lois Lane knockoff MJ
MJ being a "war" journalist and helping Peter is a better use for her than sad actress not getting any work.
> only decent version of Miles
Into The Spiderverse exists
>Weak base costume
Nah its good but I'm curious what your thoughts are on the other costumes you think are bad?
>is a better use for her
No, just no.
Why?
MJ actually being in the line of fire would be better justification for Peter being scared of losing and would be a nice change of pace from "Oh no I couldn't make MJ's show because I'm Spiderman and now she's mad"
>MJ actually being in the line of fire would be better justification for Peter being scared of losing
This makes absolutely no sense. Spider-Man's powerful, but he's still prone to losing fights; he doesn't need MJ to be in direct and constant danger to be afraid of losing.
Plus, it just fricked over her personality. She acts like Lois Lane in the game, too.
>he doesn't need MJ to be in direct and constant danger to be afraid of losing
Obviously it would be for her job documenting the seedy underbelly of New York
>Plus, it just fricked over her personality. She acts like Lois Lane in the game, too
So what? MJ has never had a solid personality across all adaptations. Why is Lois Lane so bad? And how are they similar? They talk back?
Subbing in, not the anon you're having the argument with, but MJ has a definitely defined personality in the source material which hasnt been done in an adaptation (except spectacular, but that had her early persona), why not use that?
>why not use that?
That's what I'm saying. They act like MJ being a reporter means she HAS to act like Lois
So why don't they just say
>MJ being a reporter is a new idea but I would prefer a different personality
Im agreeing with you. I think that reporter is just a bad job for MJ, but i could get it from the perspective of keeping the bugle in the story, but making it so she's mad peter is saving her just comes off as botched, especially because we dont have any idea why she wants to be one.
Ult MJ was still better than this game's, because she never acted suicidal and there's more dashes of her old personality that are visible, but in general its a weird extrapolation of marriage era MJ to hs.
>but making it so she's mad peter is saving her just comes off as botched
Come on, its been a while since I played but I'm pretty sure she was mad because Peter was worrying more over her than stopping the virus
>I'm pretty sure she was mad because Peter was worrying more over her than stopping the virus
No. She's literally just mad because
>"You won't let me act like you do, you hypocrite!!!"
Ok so he was mothering her (justifiably). I can understand both sides. I don't see this as MJ being a bad character
>I don't see this as MJ being a bad character
It's just MJ not acting like MJ. This thread is about the game "being one of the greatest adaptations," so it's fair to criticize the fact that she is nothing like MJ's characterization.
Not that anon and as a guy who loves the game and actually agrees with the OP adaptation wise, MJ was a clear misfire. You can have a great adaptation and still have shit tidbits. Like Spectacular's version of Kraven was weak for example
I dont think she's a bad character (although definitely a drag in the game), just a bad MJ. There's a difference.
Nope, played the game fairly recently, and its because he keeps fussing over her. He still cares about the virus and it never gets in the way of the stuff.
How does her being a reporter benefit the story--at all? What, so we can have more shoehorned drama and MJ inserting herself into danger to do something that Peter could easily do?
Those are Lois Lane traits. An in-character MJ wouldn't be this "ultra-motivated-reporter-woman" type. And trying to have her be a reporter as just MJ would be boring.
Literally just use Betty Brant if you're going for the reporter GF angle with Spider-Man.
>What, so we can have more shoehorned drama and MJ inserting herself into danger to do something that Peter could easily do?
More stakes make a good story. MJ trying to uncover criminal conspiracy and trying to expose street level mob bosses sounds cool to me
>Literally just use Betty Brant
Well Betty ain't popular with normies and Peter and MJ HAVE to be the status quo so frick me I guess
>>What, so we can have more shoehorned drama and MJ inserting herself into danger to do something that Peter could easily do?
>More stakes make a good story.
>completely ignores how this is literally just Lois Lane
What happened to "you can totally do this with MJ's personality"?
Not ALL reporters are Lois Lane ffs
I'm not even saying she HAS to be a reporter. I'm saying its one of many neat ideas so she can get more screentime
>Not ALL reporters are Lois Lane ffs
But the way that you agreed she'd act for "the sake of more stakes for a good story," is literally just Lois Lane behavior.
Stopping idiots who don't know shit from having a conversation about things they only have vague knowledge about??? Oh, my Lord--I've aborted the cure to cancer, haven't I???
Agree. Cinemaphile is dying. Every thread is filled with casuals and storytimes die in an hour
>if you don’t dig past the 25 years of shit storytelling and read a Spider-Man comic written 5 years before I was born you’re actually a fake fan, and none of the 15 other media outlets for the character that have all had more commercial and critical success since then don’t count.
Old man yells at plans
Plane*
God forbid you know what you're talking about before joining a conversation, you homosexual.
I'm sure people who are big into Sherlock Holmes won't want you butting in on their ratings of entries into the franchise in general when you've only read the most recent or most popular title.
Comic books and their characters aren’t comparable. Spider man had had hundreds of artists and writers, dozens of off the page adaptations. The most die hard fans of his couldn’t consume it all. If you’re discounting the last 2 decades of media surrounding the character we’re discussing the only uninformed motherfricker here is you. You’re playing favorites and your opinion is arbitrary,
* Aren’t comparable to a book like Sherlock Holmes. *
>Comic books and their characters aren’t comparable. Spider man had had hundreds of artists and writers
Yeah, they are. Sherlock's pretty much the same way--it doesn't belong to just one person. And, they go much longer back than comics--all the way to 1887.
And spider-man has one clear main continuity unlike sherlock holmes.
Nope. Doyle wrote the originals. They always were and still are the only relevant stories, even though there weee other writers. Every reboot, movie, show, or modern adaptation is a retelling of the Doyle stories. Modern spider man is an ongoing continuity from his inception. If you want to know “his story” you have to read it all, which you also have not done.
>literally just Lois Lane behavior
Do you not think a writer can write MJ as a reporter putting herself in harm's way while differentiating herself from Lois?
No. It's literally Lois Lane's iconic behavior, all the way from the 40s. Any other love interest who does that is just going to wind up an obvious retread of the original.
I have to disagree. I think a good writer could do reporter MJ justice but luckily for all of y'all, I doubt reporter MJ is going to reappear outside of Insomniac
Maybe, but its a big hypothetical, and that writer would have to have a fantastic grasp on what makes MJ such a great love intrest rather than wanting to respond to something other adaptations have done like imnosiac.
>I think a good writer could do reporter MJ justice
See, there's difference between
>Reporter MJ
and
>Crazy-ass Reporter MJ who don't listen to a word Peter says, and throws herself into danger for the sake of a story.
I agree a reporter MJ could work--in theory--but not in this manner.
>They always were and still are the only relevant stories
>the only relevant stories
Sniff. Sniff, sniff.
You boys smell that? Smells like a frickin' GOALPOST being moved.
When did I say there aren’t irelevwnt Spider-Man stores? Actually, they mostly ARE irrelevant. To know about Sherlock Holmes you need to read his books. To “know” about spider man, all you really need to know is his origin story. The continuity is ever shifting but will always drift back to the status quo. Knowing about that time the beyonder took him to battle world does nothing to inform the character
He’s just a bendis cuck who never read any spider-man comics from before 2001
Frick off. I read superior spiderman
But if you want to recommend the best MJ stories so I can understand her REAL personality, I'm open to it
>never read anything before 2001
>read superior Spider-Man
Sorry anon, I should’ve corrected that to never read anything before 2011. But I’d recommend reading JMSs spider-man if you don’t want to go back to the beginning and read through it to get the full scope of why she was the best supporting character in comics
>Frick off. I read superior spiderman
laugh at this moron
Mj wise i'd reccomend her first story under romita to get a feel for her party girl persona, then conway's first run to see her growing, then defalco's spotlight on her (note that it does have a big reveal/retcon) and from there to the marriage with parallel lives (its a self contained story so it should be the easiest to read) and JMS as big reccomendations.
don't spoonfeed him. If he cared he would've read it already
We all gotta try and help.
The world takes everything we love.
that mj knew that peter was spidey since before they met.
I'd say its top 5/6, but it does make it one of the better ones. Depending on how you count the neversoft games.
I never took that as a retcon, I took that as a reason she never took him seriously as a partner until after Gwen’s death forcing her to grow up
You’re such a fricking moron
why haven't you read it then? Why are you saying that Insomniac game is one of the best adaptations of the material if you only read superior spider-man? Explain.
He's not me. I wasn't saying this game is the BEST adaptation but if I made a top 3
1. Into the Spiderverse
2. Spectacular
3. Spiderman PS4
ITSV is at most an adaptation of miles than peter (if you count it as a peter one then it'd definitely be below spectacular and ps4), so judging at one just seems funky to me. I do really like it tho.
Wasn't thinking Peter adaptation, just Spiderman adaptation
My favorite Peter is probably the Spectacular version
The worst Peters are equally the 2018 cartoon and the Drake Peter
Spider verse understood that Miles and Peter don’t work as Co-Spider-Men. I think that’s really what holds him back in the comics and games. When he’s working alongside Peter he will never be anything but discount spider man. Their relationship is always strangely antagonistic, with the writers usually Wharfing Pete to make miles look cooler. The original ultimate run (though it sucks for other reasons) and spiderverse understood that Miles needs room to breathe away from Peter to mature into his own character.
Oh totally, i think ITSV is pretty good because of that. But that its therefore hard to compare it with all the peter centric media.
Yeah, I agree basically. I think It’s a great movie for Spider-Man as an icon, and the message of the character, big not not for Peter as a person
The movie itself shits on peter just reducing him to nothing more than A spider-man making him out to be a franchisee to be written out and not as a personal story, which is funny because there we really were no personal stories in that movie. Just a bunch of hack messages about the importance of branding l, spiderverse is the death of the brand frankly there will be jothing good again
whatever "brand" you think youre fighting for died some time in the late 1980s.
Nah spidey began to die in the early to mid 90s it wasn’t until miles popped around that I felt that marvel was enjoying killing it though
I like that at least they gave him a happy ending (and the mj design is nice) but agreed.
I dont want her in, but i think its the most likley. Probably "miles brand new classmate" or something to that effect, with captain stacy taking the role of watanabe. The symbiote thing also makes it a bit more likley if they dont want to have another spider-bite. Then again venom is probably the shoo-in for a third playable character (i just hope it's not harry or a growling monster-which feels almost granted).
I would prefer it too, just doesnt seem super possible.
Agreed that the non-main villains re really shallow, except tombstone strangley.
Id say black cat and jj are fine. And that the peter is pretty good.
Do dislike the norman a lot. And miles was pretty pointless outside of a spin off bait.
>jj
>fine
it's never a good thing when the creators start leaning into memes. that's a downward slope that leads right into flanderization.
JJJ shouldn't be a Alex Jones parody. He's supposed to be a bit cowardly, not an apathetic prick.
Not him but JJ was completely accurate in this game.
>Brutally honest
>Was legit right in certain circumstances
>Defender of the people and rallied for them to help one another in these tough times
But because someone made an Alex Jones joke you completely ignore that? Cmon. You should be b***hing about MCU JJ, who willingly endangered a minor and was called a unreliable news source in the movie
>But because someone made an Alex Jones joke you completely ignore that? Cmon.
God, get rid of your
>I'm better than you, bro.
attitude--you're obnoxious even through the screen.
Secondly, he was a complete parody of Jones; that has nothing to do with "people's jokes". Don't be a disingenuous butthole.
What about that post implies that? I don't think I'm better than you. Also why did you ignore my other points? He was accurate.
JJ was fricking nailed the the game are you delusional? he backtracked on his relationship with Osborne as soon as he knew what he had done. he was rude and loud and absolutely brimming with journalistic integrity, except for his massive spider man blind spot.
What was defalcos retcon?
>Obviously it would be for her job documenting the seedy underbelly of New York
...How is that, at all, a rebuttal to what I said? Just because it's her job doesn't make it necessary for Peter's narrative.
>MJ has never had a solid personality across all adaptations
What a crock of shit. Just ignore her personality because people tend to screw it up anyway? And this is supposed to be a GOOD adaptation?
>necessary for Peter's narrative
Why is being an actress necessary? At the end of the day, she's just a love interest. I'm just saying a reporter would be a better use for her than acting because it adds more stakes to the story. Saying MJ being a reporter is bad idea because "its not important to Peter's story" is nonsensical because her being a reporter would make her story more interconnected to Peter's
> And this is supposed to be a GOOD adaptation?
Adaptations aren't made to copy and paste old shit you liked necessarily. You should allow creativity to craft NEW personalities to fit the story
>Why is being an actress necessary?
I didn't mention that. But, her role in the game just makes her a retread of Lois. It's a bad idea because,
>If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
>>If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
So don't try anything new just to try it out? You do you but status quo is boring af to me
>disingenuous argument
Ah, I see you've conceded--if only unconsciously. I appreciate it.
>present a counterargument instead of throwing a shitfit about it
...What shitfit? Why are you insisting I do things because YOU are upset?
You okay bro?
I forgot to click on a reply-number. Yeah, I think I'll live.
Frick parker cucks. It was great
It was a lot of fun and the Underground were by far the most fun enemies to date, both in their abilities and their theme music, but it wasn’t enough to warrant a full-price release. I’m slightly less salty about it than I could be since I picked up the first game for £15, but still.
I hate that they made Peter a little b***h. He get's walked over in the game and begs MJ after the grand central station mission when she was in the wrong. Sable pushes him over and treats him like shit and never once gets called out on her crap, Cat lies to him and doesn't get held accountable.
He only explodes at the end of the game at Otto, but for entirely separate reasons to the point that it can't be said that he was holding in a lot of anger or frustration. The game just made him very insipid.
You end up kicking Sable’s ass in the DLC when she returns after the mess her PMC made. Not to mention she gets physically tortured. As for Cat, that’s peter being peter and doing the right thing at the end of the day. She ends up telling peter hammer heads weakness in the final DLC after saving him from being roadkill. MJ can frick off though.
Sable doesn't really get her ass kicked by Peter though, and she doesn't get chewed out by him for being a c**t, or called out for her behavior in the main game. But she does get tortured, I'll grant you that.
Cat helps Peter, but I mean to say there was zero accountability for what she did, for what Sable did, or for what MJ did. Cat used Peter and lied to him, and risked his life. Then she faked her death. Nothing was made of that. She didn't even apologize.
Sable doggedly chased after Spider-Man and let the city go to hell in a handbasket, and even at the eleventh hour tried to apprehend him despite having a job to do of protecting the city. And then in the DLC, has the nerve of being pissed at him for not being able to protect the city, as one man, when her entire force couldn't do have as good a job as he had. She took no responsibility for her actions, and Peter never called her out on anything she did.
And MJ throughout the game, but specifically after the GCS mission, yeah frick her. She was just absolutely stupid. But it was Peter begging for her forgiveness. She owns up to her mistakes but there was zero outside force that made her do so, nothing calling her out on her stupidity. or stubbornness.
Jesus fricking Christ Cinemaphile really can’t function outside of shitposting can it? No we can’t talk about the popular thing because Cinemaphilentrarianism.
Who fricking hurt you, Anon? Are you pissy that this shits over MCU Peter? Are you upset the books are currently shit and have to lash out at every Spidey thing? What is your major malfunction exactly? The sad thing is both Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile talk comics better than us
>The sad thing is both Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile talk comics better than us
fricking moron goes here to talk about videogame and expect praise
Go back then. No one would miss you
Go talk about your mediocre adaptation on Cinemaphile, where it at least has some merit for being a halfway decent game.
game mj a cutie tho
Miles dragged it down he lowers the stakes and really detracts from peter as a character. I’d rather we got a prequel with peter as an inexperienced spider-man rather than miles getting pushed at every opportunity, other than that I agree
Honestly, a game where we start from Spider-Man's first day on the job ( a few hours after he catches Uncle Ben's killer and learns his lesson ), would be really cool. He has barely any gadgets, powers are still fairly weak, etc. It'd be cool since we'd physically see his progression into a better hero throughout the game. Also I love angsty angry teen Spider-Man.
based and ditko pilled
I like where they decided to start the game but yeah I’d like an Arkham origins Esq release about peter going through his first year or two as spider-man, maybe even start the game with him as a wrestler then play through the finding of uncle Ben’s killer. I just wish they didn’t ruin MJ and just let Betty brant be that character, god knows Betty isn’t that whiney but she fits that role. I wish they let MJ be the person pete went to for his costume designs for upgrading, I think it would’ve fit her better
>best adaptations of the material
What fricking material have they adapted? What classic stories of Spider-Man did they do? Christ, they couldn't even do his main fricking cast justice; MJ is just a whinier Lois Lane.
Jesus, and people wonder why every other anon is constantly screaming,
>"SHILL!!!"
All I see is one salty gatekeeping gay with nothing to say. It arguably is a good adaptation, and the anon has some other autistic hang up. But I guess newbies only want to talk about porn an tumblr cartoons
Gatekeeping is necessary to keep validation-seeking normies out of a conversation they don't belong in.
Cope.
You have yet to say why this is a bad adaptation. All you've really done is whine about buzzword tier strawmen in an attempt to derail. In fact an argument could be said that the only reason why you're upset about the game is the widespread larger acceptance. It certainly blows the frick out of any of the movies, that's for sure. Not saying all the films are bad, but the fricked with the material too much in each incarnation
>You have yet to say why this is a bad adaptation
Probably cuz I just got here lol. Never said it was a bad one in the first place.
So, uh... nice tl;dr you got there.
You’re not having a conversation, gaytard. You’re stopping one from happening
>one salty gatekeeping gay
>one
holy delusion
Game is great but their take on MJ is shit. Pic related explains why. Still overall a good adaptation, despite what the raging tard tries to say.
>good adaptation
but OP was trying to claim it's among the best. there's a big difference there.
And you're entitled to feel different and present a counterargument instead of throwing a shitfit about it. Each film has weak areas, and I'm entitled to feel that the game overall does it better. Another strong adaptation is Spectacular Spider-Man, but it has its own minor faults too with the material
Admittedly that’s not a hard thing to do with spidey though, throughout the years he’s never really had a great adaptation, there have been bits and pieces in each adaptation that've been great and single appearances in shows that are almost perfect. But he’s never gotten his BTAS that perfectly summed him up for normies in consumable seasons, closest we’ve gotten was spectacular but that never got a chance to leave high school
We've had Spectacular, the 90s animated series, and even the Raimi trilogy is better than this game--at least in terms of being an adaptation.
Wouldn't call this "one of the best." It's "pretty good," for me.
>We've had Spectacular, the 90s animated series, and even the Raimi trilogy is better than this game
Not him, but that's completely debatable. Each of those had their faults, yet you refuse to acknowledge that due to a kneejerk reaction.
>Raimi had a weak Peter with organic webs
>Spectacular had it set in high school and weird takes on Kraven, Tombstone, and Silver Sable.
>90s Cartoon had A LOT wrong with it but is defended mostly for nostalgia
>Tombstone
Spectacular made Tombstone better, not worse.
I'm fine with Tombstone being a mob boss, just not being the top dog ala Kingpin role
I think it would be cool to have Kingpin and Tombstone in an uneasy alliance. Kingpin can't break Tombstone, and Tombstone can't overpower Kingpin's superior criminal organization; they're forced to work with one another or tear each other apart.
>yet you refuse to acknowledge that due
Also, why are you assuming this arbitrary shit about me? Jesus, focus more on the logic of arguments, less on how to craft the best ad-hom--I don't care how "ironic" you think that is to hear from a Cinemaphile poster.
I just presented some arguments, which you just chose to ignore. Take your own advice man. But if I personally attacked you, then I apologize
Not that anon either, and i while i would agree that each of those have their changes ps4 defintely has far far more.
Raimi has other bigger changers regarding the villains inherited from tas.
Also the tombstone thing was due to legal factors outside of the show's control, he's pretty much just a reskinned kingpin. And while the kraven change was not the strongest it was part of a larger narrative, still understandable why its not super popular (even the writer said he regretted it). Tbfh the sable thing just makes her fit into spidey's world more. Comic sable should be a cap character. The hs thing was actually quite novel when it came out since it was the first adaptation to do so.
TAS is one ill dog on a lot, but its still a great adaptation for the most part.
Thing is, none of the other major crime lords are physically strong enough to be a good fit, and tombstone was a last minute replacement to kingpin.
OP here, is the Insomniac MJ defender just trying to false flag or some shit?
I just want a full animated adaptation of ultimate Spider-Man
I hear people praise this game a lot, but I never see anyone post material for it.
No webms of cool actions scenes, not screen shots of gripping moments or neat secrets, nothing.
Why is that? Why is this game pure word-of-mouth?
Because most spidey fans have already played it and know what they're referring to.
This game had a better Doc Ock than Raimi, which I know someone is going to say is heresy. Raimi Otto has plenty to like, but he's not the petty mad scientist you should think of. Raimi instead is a do no wrong tragic villain obsessed with a reactor thanks to screwy AI.
I'd..actually agree. Ps4 Otto is a blend of raimi ock with his planner stuff from the comics. My only issue with him is that he's far too similar to the game's take on negative.
Fair enough. And sure i'd agree.
Also hyphen.
Honestly, if they wanted to involve MJ more into the plot, they could have made her a phsycologist. She majored in that in her second time in college in the comics and it would be a nice way to give the villains some level of characterization.
>Personally I believe Insomniac Spider-Man is one of the best adaptations of the material.
You smoke anon?
Yes we know the costume is shit, thanks captain obvious. However you're the casual reducing Felicia's character to a pair of breasts, which is annoying
>Waaahhh waaahh I need to coom insomniac why can’t I coom?
I get de-sexing felicia, but i still dont get giving her cumbersome armor.
Why are two obvious shitposters shit flinging about MJ? It's a loop
Let's talk about villains we want to see in 2. Sure there's the obvious ones, but I really want to see some C or D listers in side missions too.
>Mysterio
>Sandman
>Stegron
>Vermin
>Boomerang
>Beetle
>Spot
>Swarm
>Tarantula
The list goes on. Lizard is already confirmed. Also you know what would be fantastic? The previous game villains such as Rhino, Vulture, and Electro being random crimes across New York you could stop as mini bosses. That would make it a true Spidey experience for me
Mysterio seems like a given, he appeared in a movie and all the ps4 villains but negative had a big media appearence. I feel like beetle could happen since these games really like techy characters a lot.
That'd be as much characterization as they got in the original.
They could use any of the various versions of Beetle really. Would also like to see White Rabbit just for fun too.
If they use any im expecting janice. Since tombstone was in the last game and spidey has so few female villains already.
Is it just me or does it feel like far too much stuff uses white rabbit for the type of villain that she is?
>Is it just me or does it feel like far too much stuff uses white rabbit for the type of villain that she is?
What do you mean? Are you saying there are too many villains based on the public domain Alice in Wonderland story?
Oh no that i just see a lot white rabbit, both as a suggestion and in comics. Like she's even in the current run. I guess she's kinda by proxy the biggest female spidey villain.
Well retcon just means retroactive continuity, even if it doesnt contradict anything. I think its a wonderful reveal personally.
I actually think Silk would be a good 3rd playable character down the line, and easily worked into the plot given OSCORP's experiments with spiders.
>Inb4 Slott
Slott is a fat homosexual, naturally, but like Mister Negative she's a decent character that was salvaged by other writers (they wrote out the pheromone thing). Plus you just know they'll eventually want a playable chick for this game. Silk would at least have fun powers with her webs. It's either that, making Black Cat playable, or making MJ Spinneret. I don't see Spider-Gwen happening at all despite her inflated and stupid popularity because Gwen doesn't even exist in this continuity
I feel that if they pick a third spider-character it'd end up be gwen, specifically because they've not mentioned her at all and they cant really do her death. And ill bet she'd be made the same age as miles too.
Not that i want it either.
Spinerett could be fun, do think there's more chances of that than silk tho.
Gwen would be the worst choice out of the bunch unironically. It would mean either retconning "Oh yeah Gwen's been around this whole time, we just never mentioned her", or doing stupid multiverse meme bullshit that would ruin this universe/narrative. Plus she doesn't even offer anything fun for unique gameplay. And if they even remember that she wears a symbiote (which most writers forget) that lessens her odds even more because Venom will most likely take a character slot over her.
So yeah, I'd still prefer Silk being playable honestly. Could even do a dad thing with Peter since she's been a shut in for years
>Plus she doesn't even offer anything fun for unique gameplay
But she does offer wonders when it comes to the propaganda side of things, which Insomniac and Sony seem to be more concerned about
>But she does offer wonders when it comes to the propaganda side of things
I'll take the bait and say Silk does that better too. She's a chick, and she hits the diversity quota
That's a lot of stupid hoops to jump through just to add a shitty doppelganger Gwen. But I get what you're saying
Just like they jumped trough a lot of hoops to get miles in, who wasnt even in the first 3 drafts of the plot.
You do have a point. Him also not interacting with peter and spidey robs him of his impact.
But they do have him make some points and he created scoprion in the past.
Im betting he'll be hte mayor in the next game cause bnd stuff.
>Just like they jumped trough a lot of hoops to get miles in
Eh not really. They just made him a native to the universe and regulated him to a side character/sidekick. He doesn't have an impact on Peter's early years like Gwen is supposed to. Not a apt comparison
Well peter's early years are by default different since Norman's not the goblin, i mean more within the game itself. Do agree that he has very little impact tho :P.
Honestly would rather see Jess, Julia, or carapace Arana, if they're gonna add a gal. Someone with slightly different powers.
>Honestly would rather see Jess, Julia, or carapace Arana
Do any of them really have powers to warrant a 3rd slot? Jess is only recently being crammed into the family, and she's just Miles but without the webs at this point. Both Julia and Arana don't really do anything different to justify a move set. At least with Cindy you can weave complex web constructs. That could be a lot of fun. Plus she's arguably the easiest character to write in to just by being OSCORPS first human trial they illegally kept in a lab
Julia's webs are visual telekinesis, she doesn't have to project them from her body and she could do crazy web constructs since its all mental.
Arana used to have transforming toku armor, and I would want them to use that version rather than Spider-Girl 4.0.
Felicia will always be the one
Literally what the frick would lead you to come to a delusional conclusion like that? Are the TASM and MCU movies the only Spider-Man media you ever consumed?
>terrible Peter both personality and looks-wise
>terrible Spider-Man that over relies on tech (as opposed to gadgets)
>terrible one note non-main villains that don't get the time they need
>terrible realistic off-brand movie aesthetic
>terrible MJ, JJJ, Black Cat, Norman
>Miles
>main story is nothing to write home about especially compared to Spider-Man 2
I'm having trouble coming up with even one aspect it does notably well, let alone "the best", let alone multiple aspects
I feel like people conflate the fact that they had fun playing this game with it being a good Spider-Man story.
Not really. Wouldn’t call it the most insane game ever but it was fun enough for me to replay the game on NG+ on its most difficult setting.
I love how you conveniently left out Raimi just because of defensive nostalgia. Raimi Spidey wasn't accurate either
It wasn't accurate but it was good and visionary, the game, TASM, and MCU Spider-Men aren't accurate, but they're also terrible takes on the mythos and were made as soulless products with no vision.
Anon fricking Raimi was a soulless product too. For frick sake have some self-awareness man.
Nah the first two movies are clearly products of passion, unlike the vast majority of superhero movies that came after it
I just think it's hypocritical and moronic to prop up Raimi's universe when it's just as guilty of bad creative decisions as the other stuff we've talked about. It's not fair to give that universe a pass just by nostalgia. Raimi had a bad Peter, a completely OOC take on Otto, and had a b***h ass version of Eddie Brock. I'm trying to be fair here.
I can appreciate an inaccurate take if it's good and made with love, most of the best hero movies are like that in fact, they're rarely ever accurate.
Not that anon, but i would disagree that it had a bad peter, more so a peter stuck in the pre-spider phase for a bit too long but i think he was fine within the first two movies. Ock seems very tas inspired to me, and i get what the idea with the arms was even if like with norman it robs him of personal responsability. Eddie is weirdly close to his earliest characterization as being a massive hypocrite unable to accept personal responsibility, just much scrawnier and looking like carnage.
I just think Tobey lacked charisma, and there wasn't much difference in dynamic between when he has the mask on/off. Like I said, they really fricked with the villain material in the movies, which is a personal hangup of mine
Sure, i guess i'd agree with that. I do think that it got the core conflict behind the character very well, even if it hyperfocused on the romance (but so do all the following adaptations so..). There is a difference, but its more of a superman-ish one, in that he's more i guess role model-y as spidey.
I think a lot of that is due to changes from TAS bleeding over, its very apparent with norman, otto and eddie. But while the first two work well in the movie proper (even if the changes make them worse foils to comic peter), eddie doesn't as well. In a weird way both goblin and ock were more like venom, with the whole royal we.
Here's why I'm more willing to lean into Insomniac Peter
>Allowed to be an adult from the get go
>Was given the chance to sacrifice Aunt May for the greater good
>Had a new spin on Otto that kept the father figure stuff from Raimi but still retained the petty butthole intellectual in the end.
>Remembered the early years when Norman actually gave a damn about Harry
>Allowed Peter to showcase his technical side but not as broken/stupid as Iron Man ala MCU.
>All of his villains retain their core comic quirks
This game just had the unfortunate circumstance of putting up with a shit MJ though
While that's fair most of those dont really relate to raimi more so the comics post 2008, which y'know fair enough.
Honestly the Norman is one of my biggest issues with it (after MJ and the really funky plotting for the last act). Excusing all of his actions as just to help his son just removes a lot of the dramatic weight he has as an antagonist. Him caring is good (hell post clone saga norman cared enough that all his schemes were for revenge for that, it was slott that made him apathetic to harry) but just makes him far far less personal. Him being mayor is also something i loathe, just such a cheap tactic to give the villains political power.
>All of his villains retain their core comic quirks
Idk, only rhino really does. Vulture at most keeps the element from the kino dematties story, but that's massivley underplayed. Electro is a quipster and scorpion is fine i guess. They all just come off super underbaked. Oh and tombstone is calmer ala ssm while kingpin is just angry like a bad take on his netflix personality.
Also im guessing you're that anon that always posts in the spidey threads about norman, right? We've met before then kek.
>while kingpin is just angry like a bad take on his netflix personality.
Actually I think their Kingpin was completely fair. It's totally in character for him to have a temper, and the only time we encountered him was when his empire began to fall apart. The difference between this version and Netflix's Kingpin is that Insomniac Fisk isn't blatantly autistic. In the short time we got him, I'd argue he was better than MCU Fisk
>Also im guessing you're that anon that always posts in the spidey threads about norman, right? We've met before then kek.
I don't know who you're referring to honestly. What Norman comments?
Im not the biggest fan of netflix kingpin (he's a fantastic character, but a bit too prelud-y for actual kingpin for my tastes), so im using it as a pejorative lol. I think its allright for what it is, but he doesn't really have much of a personality. This is abit disappointing since he's this version of spidey's greatest enemy for 8 years.
Ah nothing, just an anon that always talks about norman liking harry back in the Romita days and that being lost later. You sounded a bit like them.
Sorry anon, but if it’s something bad that means it’s a SOULLESS PRODUCT, but if it’s good, it ISN’T. That’s how it works :^)
It was a product certainly but it wasn’t soulless, it was like the Tim burton Batman movies, where a director was given certain constraints but were still allowed to make their own vision of a film based on a decades old franchise
And what determines "soul" exactly? Insomniac came to SONY to say "we want to make this game", and their team was passionate about Spidey/his comic history. They even asked Chris Gage to write it. How does the game not have it?
Tbf, basing designs off of whichever the most recent movie is is pretty soulless tbqh famalam tbhlesu
....Except the game didn't do that? I don't see a trench coat on Otto, nor do I see Rhino being a giant robot.
>....Except the game didn't do that?
...Except they did? See Peter's appearance?
>bargain-bin Andrew Garfield
to
>bootleg, K-Pop Tom Holland
Oh you meant the face model thing. Okay now I see what you're driving at. Yeah I don't really care for the face change either, but I don't really see Tom Holland's likeness. Plus I don't give a shit about either face model, because the important thing is that Peter is wearing a mask most of the time. I'd be more upset if Yuri stopped being the voice actor, or they really leaned into Peter meeting other Avengers which would only detract from the main appeal of the game. You know now that I think of it, I don't think it was deliberate synergy changing the face. To me it struck me more as the original face model actor asking for more money after the game's success, which SONY told him to frick off since voice actor Yuri Lowenthal was far more important. But that's just speculation on my part of course
Do think that ps4 has enough soule i suppose. I wouldnt say chris gage ranks particularly high as a spidey writer tho, a very random pick.
Eh I think he's capable enough. Dude wrote Avengers Academy, right?
Yeah, just saying that they didnt really put any big spidey writer. So i wouldnt consider it like a big metric. Also judging by the comic tie in written just by him compared to the game that has 4 co-writers i wouldnt say he was the most important writer.
I actually think that was a good thing. The thing is about Spidey writers now is that they're either well passed their prime, or have such big heads that they're so far up their own ass that the work suffers due to ego. Gage was a smart choice for this, especially since he was tackling a half-realized idea Slott came up with (Mister Negative) and actually did something with it.
Not disputing that, what i am disputing is how much of it is actually gage or not, since again there were 3 other writers and his other work is no where near as strong.
And idk people like dematties still do good work and dont seem up their own ass.
In fact what ive been able to find points that gage mostly cleaned up diaolgue and the main writer was Paquette
Ah. Well regardless I'm glad things worked out the way they did. Thankfully Slott just collected a paycheck and didn't interfere at all with the development. My fear right now is SONY pigeonholing Insomniac into just making superhero games, not allowed to tackle Ratchet or becoming overtaxed. But hey they said they wanted to do these things so I guess its fine. Insomniac should try doing Iron Man later given their experience with gadget based combat.
My great fear is how they'll do venom since harry venom misses the appeal of both characters as antagonists intrinsically. :/
Maybe it'll start with Harry, then quickly move on to Peter. That could be another set-up for Harry's inferiority complex toward Peter--though, I'm not sure if they're taking his character in that direction for this story.
Maybe, but i kind of expect it to end with harry after all. And with how much softer this norman is, i dont think you could do much normal Harry stuff.
Maybe, tho making harry venom would be an easy way to make this stand out. And if sony wants that then they wouldnt let venom be a villain period.
If they do eddie. im betting he'll end up as a monster rather than quippy and energetic.
You know I'm not actually convinced Harry will be Venom. Judging by how he and the symbiote looked inside that tank, they're not bonding, almost as if the creature is trying to get away. The symbiote may realize that it can't heal Harry's condition, and sees him as a bad host. Plus SONY may not want brand confusion, as people associate Venom with Eddie.
My personal theory is that
>Osborn got the symbiote via OSCORP space program
>Threw it in a tank with Harry, and it has no choice but to keep him alive
>Events in 2 lead to the symbiote escaping OSCORP, which causes Harry to degrade
>Norman hires Kraven to track/retrieve the alien before time runs out, funding every want he could need to get the job done. Kraven only wants Spider-Man
I think Gage was a mildly successful TV writer before going to comics, so it’s why he’s typically the one to branch out into the broader spectrum and write the larger products like the fortnight crossovers and what not
I mean dematties has done stuff for marvel's animaition side (wrote for tas for example) and JMS started in TV.
I think here its more due to him being slott's understudy than anything else.
From a quick scan of his Wikipedia, it seems gage is just someone whose had minor success in the four sectors, tv, film, comics, video games, so it’s not to surprising that he gets shortlisted for projects like this. And he’s not so much slotts “understudy” but he’s more of a “motivator” in that he motivates Slott to not lose his job.
Fair.
Well more that he filled in issues for slott, and all his solo spidey stuff is tied to slott's. Id say he's better sure.
And what is their vision exactly? Because to me the game read as the most safe generic diluted subversive modern take on the material imaginable, there wasn't a single element you could latch onto and say "here, this is the game's identity" except maybe the "desperately wants to be a movie" part. Who exactly is the visionary behind it?
Raimi movies' campiness, Tobey's meek Peter, Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head, the soft naive 60s vibe and aesthetic, hammed up Norman, the perfect JJJ, the edgy Peter dance etc are all part of the original trilogy's identity, and those all come from Raimi's unique feelings and ideas, there's nothing like that in the game.
Just have the (You), man
spectacular spider-man fanboys are moronic
>only adaptation made by a creator who likes Spider-Man and actually read AND wrote for ASM
Cope all you want but nothing is topping Spectacular any time soon
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Seems I encompass ALL the colors of the autism rainbow. Neat.
I wish they didn't change Pete to have such a baby face.
seeing people trying so hard to hate this game is funny as hell
I like it accept for
>MJ
>Hammerhead
>Miles existing at all
>some of the more tech-looking villains like electro and vulture
>seemingly doing Harry!Venom which is shit
>No cornrows on Norman or Harry
>Lack of most of Peter's supporting cast aside from cameos and mentions while focusing on the aforementioned shitty MJ and Miles
I feel like they're gonna frick up wolverine
I mean it doesn't have peter being cucked so that's a plus. The only downside? Miles.
What a way to contradict yourself
I agree, it's an excellent take. I particularly enjoyed Otto and Peter's dynamic. Both games are just great Spider-Man stories. I couldn't be less interested in the MJ segments in the first game though. And holy frick nu-Pete's face in the remastered version and Miles game is bad. Does not match the voice at all and he looks younger than Miles.
Spiderman Web of Shadows or bust, zoomer.
90s TAS > your zoomer shit.
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