Remember that time Iron Fist got killed in a really dumb way. He stayed dead for six years before coming back in a different yet somehow dumber way involving plants and Namor. Anyways I think Iron Fist is pretty cool.
Remember that time Iron Fist got killed in a really dumb way.
He beat him to death because he wanted to wake him up?
He was a kid who could shazam! but was dying of cancer. Danny used his Chi to keep him alive till a doctor could save him put put him in a kung fu coma. When the kid woke up he freaked the frick out. Shazam'd. Then freaked out more and killed Danny. Luke Cage was blamed. It was the last issue of their book and I'm not sure how it was ever actually resolved.
Skrulls
The kid was a Skrull
Danny was fake too
What the flying frick
>Luke Cage was blamed
typical, it's always the black guy
Western comics are complete garbage. it's the only medium where something this dumb could happen.
t. enjoys Eren the cuck, Oh My Rubber Nen, Goku hiring a hitman to kill him and reviving himself with a magical boomeranging energy ball…
The editor, Denny O'Neill IIRC, made Christopher Priest kill Iron Fist off because he was pissy that Jim Shooter was killing books to make room for the New Universe line and PM/IF was one of the casualties.
Priest didn't want to do it and came up with a moronic way to do so
Roger Stern wanted to undo it by revealing that Master Khan (an Iron Fist villain) had captured Danny and Luke inbetween the last two issues and that #125 was basically a lotus machine false reality Luke Cage was being forced to live through while Danny was being made to live through a similar reality where it was Luke that was killed and Danny framed for his murder.
This was going to be the story leading to Avengers #300 but Stern got fired before he could do it.
Then John Byrne came back to Marvel and wanted to bring Danny back; but he was told he couldn't do the story if he involved Luke Cage (as Cage had been embargoed from usage save for a MCP story that had him still on the run and in hiding due to him being an old shame by that point). Byrne only got to do the story under those conditions in the pages of freaking Namor, where he revealed that the kid who killed Iron Fist was Super Skrull, brainwashed into thinking he was a kid while everyone thought he was trapped in space with space cancer and that Christopher Priest's self-insert, a mysterious black detective who was supposed to be the last surviving vampire, was Master Khan manipulating him. Oh and that Khan/Super Skrull didn't even kill Danny: that the real Danny had been kidnapped by space plants in PM/IF #120 (meaning that the Danny who wore a red version of his costume for the last couple of issues of his series was an imposture) and Namor, Misty Knigh, Colleen, and Namorita freed the real Danny, defeated Super Skrull, and got their butt-kicked by Master Khan, who mindwiped Namor (leading to the whole "Savage Namor run with Jay Lee as artist) and Namor, when he got his memories back, decapitating Khan.
See I'd just have written a story where one day someone's placing flowers on Danny's grave and then he punches his grave open and steps out of it with some bullshit about the Chi of the earth reviving him because it was not yet his time. I swear I saw that in some Brucesploitation (Yes that's a thing, look it up) movie.
>I swear I saw that in some Brucesploitation (Yes that's a thing, look it up) movie.
I want to see that movie, anyone know what it's called?
I think it might have been this one. I don't remember too well honestly and there were A LOT of these things. As for the quality? Can't say. These things did get pretty crazy though.
Thanks anon.
O'Neill wanted Danny definitively dead. He was already pissed the frick off that Shooter let Al Milgrom draw the Silver Centurion armor in WCA before it was formally debuted in Iron Man and REALLY REALLY didn't like Christopher Priest, who's entire career was due to Shooter's patronage and was out to basically frick him over with fans by forcing him to write such a story .
The more I hear about Marvel at the time the more it sounds like it was a constant mess of grudges and being forced to do the most insane things at the last minute.
You'd think the industry adults would be at least somewhat professional, care about readers or something, but nah, everything points out they're legit just petty.
Shooter had a loose rule that from 9-5 you should be working on your day job responsibilities unless you had 'four in the drawer' of all the titles you were editing. Denny was apparently spending way too much time freelancing and he Shooter locked horns over it and so there was a cold war between the two of them at the Marvel office.
>Luke Cage was blamed
Hanukkah
lmao
It was a very abrupt way to end a comic book to say nothing else.
My fricking sides
Yeah Shooter was pushing for the new universe shit at the time and cancelling regular books, this book was one of the victims and the writer just decided to frick it
Pretty sad that Danny is just basically a NEET now because of muh diversity.
I don't trust "Sword Master" will have the same staying power.
Is that chinese little guy still Iron Fist? Marvel is racist as frick
So doing a bit of reading, turns out the kid was Super Skrull....for reasons. Also the Danny he killed was a secret plant clone...also reasons. I guess blaming chi bullshit would have been easy. When it doubt Skrulls!
god I love comics
Christopher Priest, about his last PM/IF issue :
>My run on POWER/FIST is likely most notorious for the series finale, in which Iron Fist was shockingly and inexplicably killed. This is one of those moments I find alternately flattering and annoying at once. Fist's death was senseless and shocking and completely unforeseen. It took the readers' heads clean off. And, to this day, people are mad about it. Forgetting, it seems, that (a) you were supposed to be mad, that death is senseless and Fist's death was supposed to be senseless, or that (b) this is a comic book. I already had a way to bring Fist back, and Fist creator John Byrne would certainly bring him back if I didn't get to it first.
He's such a spineless hack. And shit like this
is most certainly bad writing, it's parody levels.
It was a weird issue altogether. I get that you have to do what your editor says, and I don't expect any writer to come out and say they wrote crap, but you don't have to pull a NUH UH and say it wasn't crap when it was. it doesn't really matter that they intended to undo it (especially when it took six years to get the chance) and I really have to say I hate his general dismissive attitude of saying "it's just comics." Fiction may be fiction but the fans do deserve a bit more respect.
The fact you're annoyed speaks to the quality of the work, the impact of which has not diminished over time.
Shut up
I haven’t read the issue but it looks annoying from here anon.
It's bad but it seems intentionally so. They were pissed and expressed it through the story they did.
When mom and dad are fighting it's the kids who suffer
>bad but intentionally so
Not an excuse. If anything that's worse.
>is most certainly bad writing, it's parody levels
How so? There's really nothing wrong with it.
>And then the hero died when a super hero kid had a tantrum. His best friend was framed for the murder and the series ended as he said a silly catch phrase at the camera
>Nothing wrong with it.
You people stupid or inbred? If you don't see the problem here then I don't know if you ever read a comic at all. God it's finally happening. People are used to shit writing being the norm they can't even tell it's shit.
You seem to be the type that would have preferred if he said some artsy-fartsy bullshit instead.
It's very clear that YOU don't know what good writing is.
>The creators are never wrong
You shills don't have to defend a 30+ year old story.
What part of "POST WHAT YOU THINK IS GOOD DIALOGUE" do you not understand?
>artsy-fartsy
This dude is a staunch defender of the mediocre, and he really hates when something is actually good.
Keep shoveling down that McDonald's.
Post what you think is good dialogue.
>and that was supposed to be an excuse
What a bunch of hacks.
Also it was bi-monthly, so they had extra time to think of a good ending.
Oh so Priest was always a hack. I thought it was something recent like his vampirella, or his superman story, what with how hard Cinemaphile sucks off his desthstroke but thsts probably shit too
Sounds more like Denny O’Neil and the rest of the editorial staff basically threatened Priest, if not simply stating that by “assigning it to someone else” means either way Iron Fist was going to be killed off with or without Priest and the artist’s involvement.
It was perhaps unavoidable but it does beg the question of how another writer would have handled it though. Priest, regardless of who's fault, had the chance to send him out in a far more dignified or at least less FRICK YOU way. He's not responsable for the decision but he is responsible for his, BAD, writing.
>This has been the way things are for the Marvel and DC for at least 20 years now, most new titles don't seem to last more than a year, constant relaunches to try and spike sales, countless pointless minis that don't sell and don't have any real reason to exist.
It really just makes it too hard to care about anything when you know none of it is going to last. It's not like they had to pull stunts to boost sales. Hell combing Power Man and Iron Fist into one book itself was such a stunt but for some reason Marvel seems to keep trying the same shit and expecting different results. How many relaunches has Captain Carol had? How many 2nd and third chances has Miles and Spider-gwen had?
>but for some reason Marvel seems to keep trying the same shit and expecting different results.
To some extent this is editorial having fixed, entrenched viewpoints that "this character sold well once upon a time, so we need to keep relaunching them rather than trying new things, because if we get it right again, they'll sell", so they're constantly relaunching the same books and characters that have kept failing for decades. But even the books that do sell well (or "well enough" by the standards of the industry) keep getting relaunched periodically, especially when there's a new creative team taking over, because stores will order more copies of a new #1.
>How many relaunches has Captain Carol had? How many 2nd and third chances has Miles and Spider-gwen had?
Miles and Kamala, it feels more like just giving up on them would be so much bad PR for Marvel that they're just tanking the financial hit of keeping them around rather than face the social media controversy of cancelling them. Carol on the other hand is a combination of sunk cost fallacy and a corporate decision that she is the female face of Marvel and they're not going to back down on it regardless of how many times the audience rejects her or tells them there are other heroines they like better.
Spider-Gwen is just another symptom of Marvel having historically always been full of insane Gwen Stacy waifugays. Like Kamala, she's been downgraded from ongoing books to constant minis.
Apparently Miles' current book and Carol's previous series did sell well enough for Marvel, but Carol's current book has bombed.
I promise you if they cancelled anything these days most people who would complain wouldn't even notice right off.
It sounds like O'Neil was overruled himself by the other editors
The problem isn't that he died, it's how he died, moron. Priest is a hack.
oh wow I would not expect such a dogshit defense from someone like priest
how can you think you are in the right when you make a
>IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SHIT/ANNOYING
and
>WE'VE ALWAYS DONE THIS DOGSHIT THING SO SHUT UP
So they were frustrated with their editors and took it out on the characters and the fans. Not very professional.
Shitposting on purpose is still shitposting. The intention doesn't make it not shit.
>Hur I was just pretending to be moronic.
If nothing else's it's slightly assuring to know that comic creators were always shit heels
>... Fist's death was supposed to be shocking and senseless. It wasn't bad writing. The fact that, thirteen years after the fact, people are still annoyed about it speaks to the quality of the work, the impact of which has apparently not diminished over time.
>...The expedient thing to say is, Iron Fist's death wasn't my idea. It was my idea in the sense of that is how I chose for him to die-- brutally and senselessly. I was ordered to kill IF because the editor was deeply resentful of Marvel's decision to cancel the book, a book the editor (comics legend Denny O'Neil) invested himself in and worked _very_ hard with myself and artist MD "Doc" Bright. We were all pretty upset, but Denny was outraged. POWER MAN & IRON FIST was a critical success and was selling in excess of 100,000 copies; not a major hit in those days but the book was certainly profitable. Then the company, for no apparent reason, decided to change the publishing schedule from a monthly release to bi-monthly, which automatically depresses sales, and, once the sales projections skewed downward, that became justification enough to cancel the book to make room on the schedule for a new line of books that became the infamous and notorious "New Universe."
>Angered by the slight to our work on the book, in an editorial meeting Denny's assistant suggested we kill Iron Fist and cast the blame on Power Man. Doc and I really did not like the idea, but the editors were adamant, insisting if we didn't write the story he'd assign it out to someone else. I agreed to write the story on the condition that IF's death be senseless and, actually, extant to the story itself. The story and plotlines had resolved themselves by the time Iron Fist fell asleep in the hospital and was subsequently killed. It was shocking and unexpected and completely meaningless-- which is how we all felt the company had treated us.
>POWER MAN & IRON FIST was a critical success and was selling in excess of 100,000 copies; not a major hit in those days but the book was certainly profitable.
This is very sobering when read with modern eyes. But yeah. Shit show all around. I don't envy priest but at the same time I will never accept "IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SENSELESS" as a justification.
>Then the company, for no apparent reason, decided to change the publishing schedule from a monthly release to bi-monthly
It was likely due to Marvel having maxed out on the number of titles they were capable of publishing, and something had to give. So they either have to cancel one book to be able to launch another, or move some books to bi-monthly and publish them in alternate months.
It's always a shock to look back at books that were cancelled in the 90s or earlier for low sales and see how in today's industry those sales would probably make it the #1 book.
Let's be honest, this is a much bigger problem that's going to hurt Iron Fist as a character for a lot longer than his 1980s death ever did. Marvel and DC are annoyingly willing to sabotage and wreck their characters just because some troll tard on Twitter complains about them. Especially if that tard complains about them being white.
>So they either have to cancel one book to be able to launch another, or move some books to bi-monthly and publish them in alternate months.
Which is equally shocking when you look at how many shit books they put out now that can't reach the same sales.
There's always going to be an upper limit on the number of titles they're capable of publishing per month, either for reasons of budget or of resources, so when they hit that limit something's got to give if they want to launch something new. This has always been the way it is. The shocking part is just how we look back on "lower selling" titles Marvel axed back in the day and see how well they sold compared with modern comics, it forces you to see how the industry is dying.
Right but back then most books were generally expected to carry. Nowadays it feels like between the non stop events there's dozens of minis and failed ongoings coming out every week.
This has been the way things are for the Marvel and DC for at least 20 years now, most new titles don't seem to last more than a year, constant relaunches to try and spike sales, countless pointless minis that don't sell and don't have any real reason to exist.
Marvel and DC both have rich parent companies that are just keeping them on life support to use them as IP farms, nothing's going to change unless Disney or Warner actually take a serious look at the comics company they own and decide to make some changes. But they're as likely to save money by shutting down production of new comics and moving to reprints only as they are to try and fix things, and one of the Big 2 closing down would probably kill the whole industry.
Tbh they should just give up on physical comics making money and turn it into money-losing but consistent subscription services that serve as R&D and marketing onroading for films (theater or animated).
Comics are so stupid.
You know it.
This same guy did a comic just to seethe over Roy Lichtenstein being considered high art and his work being low art. But he should've known before starting in comics that drawing is a low art because drawing is considered a step in art and not the finished piece in and of itself.
>coming back in a different yet somehow dumber way involving plants and Namor
Frick off....HE CAME BACK! And it made sense that the Super Skrull could imitate his power.
Too bad the twit- Sorry X crowd went after him because of a shitty made for streaming show. How many of those asshats do you think even bothered to learn about Danny before they started complaining? The fact that Marvel seemingly listened and gave the Iron Fist to some random shumc with barely a single comic to his name was even more disturbing though. Seriously they not only ruined Danny but Sword Master too, though Lie was already crap do eehhh..,
the original Sword Master book was mediocre, serviceable even, and had its own supporting cast and antagonists but making him Iron Fist added nothing to his character or his overall plot of dealing with a Chinese War god/demon so it just seems completely pointless and completely on the whim of either Larry Hama who depowered Danny or a random editor who decided Danny had to go.
Non Asian's aren't allowed to do kung fu because it's great white savior
Asian's aren't allowed to do it because it's a stereotype.
I JUST WANT KUNG FU BOOKS! God I wish I lived through the 70s
>tfw just wanted a 70s kung fu style Master of Kung Fu movie adaptation
even something like the 80s/90s kickboxing movie could be cool
Iron Fist in Bloodsport.
That works.
>I JUST WANT KUNG FU BOOKS! God I wish I lived through the 70s
You can just buy all of them. They've all been put out in nice premium formats.
Yes and I have a fair few of them but I still bemoan that the genre has all but vanished. Also shut up.
Momentarily confused before I opened the image because the thumbnail looks like Etrigan.
the 2000s book was pretty cool
Starts out well but fizzles out massively.
Who cares about Iron Fist. He is a kung fu guy wearing a kinda gay outfit.
Wait... They are making the Sword Master kid into the new Iron Fist? But... His sword?? I only read a few issues but the sword is literally the whole point of his story from what I saw.
the sword embedded in his arm
Why would they throw away his namesake and motif away like that?
Woke points
>inb4 noooo you can’t say woke
I love how everything that made Shooter seem like a bully back in the day just makes him look like a Chad that lives rent free in many hack writer's minds all these years later.