>Roll up your sleeves and work as a bouncer in a sex club or a warden in a lunatic asylum or a machine operator in a slaughterhouse. Drive a taxi for six months and you’ll have enough money to make a film. Walk on foot, learn languages and a craft or trade that has nothing to do with cinema. Filmmaking — like great literature — must have experience of life at its foundation. Read Conrad or Hemingway and you can tell how much real life is in those books.
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No, you can just rip off french noir and become a total hack
Fiction is made up, so no, he's not right
>Fiction
nobody mentioned fiction, reading difficulty-kun
he was talking about literature
herzog also doesn't really believe in fiction and non-fiction as discrete entities. if you watch his movies, all of them have elements of both. especially his 'documentaries'.
I read a hemingway book and it was like watching a Friends episode. Normie sex having upperclass drivel. Well written, but still unrelatable.
>James Cameron was an acid-head truck driver
>went and made Terminator
I dunno, you tell me
>After borrowing money from a consortium of dentists, he learned to direct, write and produce his first short film, Xenogenesis (1978) with a friend.
Didn't Evil Dead get financed by dentists as well?
What is it with these dentists? Petit bourgeois getting young artists their start in the biz, America used to be a proper country
euphemism for israelites, moron
I remember someone telling me "Dentists are the stupidest people, with the most money, in North America" and it always stuck with me because I know it's 100% true.
easy to meet at a bar mitvah
I believe eraserhead was also funded by dentists
You're sounding like a rabid anti-dentite, anon.
>"Buy monkeys and unleash them in the jungaaal. Buy rats and unleash them in the streets of Berlin. Abuse animals and exploit indigenous people on film. Hire actors who have raped their daughters."
He kinda lost me there.
>nooo, not my hecking animalinions and subhuman jungle aperinhons :~~*~~*~~*
So in your opinion it would be better if he returned those monkeys to the poachers?
it would be better if he killed them
>Buy rats and unleash them in the streets of Berlin
Based beyond belief.
>The cast of Fitzcaraldo were total amateurs, I could use all the smoke effects I wanted and they did not even bring their own folding chairs.
He didn't buy the monkeys, he stole them right before they got shipped to Florida.
Holy mother of KINO
Literally no one in Britain has heard of nor read Hemingway.
Hemingway was a depressed alkee (alcoholic for no banter am*ricans), his writing is crap.
Pick your own books to read, Black person. Only pretentious mischlings promote the same authors like Hemingway over and over again.
Lol rent free. He is one of the most influential authors of the 20th century and happens to fit in with herzogs point here perfectly as he had a varied life. He just happens to be american so you seethe
Seriously, no one outside of the US reads Hemingway.
Too bad for them
Ian Fleming was so butthurt about Hemmingway that he wrote an entire James Bond story where Bond got to kill him. The Brits definitely know about the guy.
Hemingway was a communist homosexual who (deservedly) spent the final years of his life in such agony and poor health that he killed himself and went to hell early to escape it.
VERY edgy, Joker-kun.
Wrong. I'm English and The Old Man and the Sea is one of my favourite books.
>machine operator in a slaughterhouse
lol herz' was so close to making a great point but he had to include that profession... notoriously bad pay, safety standards and tons of guys get PTSD from torturing or watching animals get tortured
>Dumb gay misses point entirely, more news at 11
There isn't necessarily life to be found in misery or violence. It's a bit quant to be middle class and look at someone that works with violence and then say "see this is where life is". Most of their life is tedium. The whole passage is really beneath herzog.
he never said that. just that you need real life experiences that aren't sitting at home reading shit
>boomer who lived on tutorial mode his whole life says dumb ass shit
5 dollars when he was our age is like 100 dollars adjusted for purchasing power. I don't really take social insight of people born before 1990 for this reason.
Yes, I'm sure trying to make movies with stolen film equipment in postwar Germany is living life on easy mode.
>le postwar germany!!!
west germany which received billions of dollars in 40s and 50s from the very same israelites they fought against
so yeah, they did live on easy mode
>stolen equipment
in soviet union he would get 20 years in gulag for that
>west germany which received billions of dollars in 40s and 50s from the very same israelites they fought against
Billions of dollars didn't turn Germany into a wealthy nation overnight.
Are you insecure that Herzog accomplished more in his life than you did with better circumstances?
>Billions of dollars didn't turn Germany into a wealthy nation overnight
Not overnight but in a decade or so, same as japan and korea. America used to invest a lot in their vassals, it's really that simple
>boomer who lived on tutorial mode his whole life says dumb ass shit
he lived in rural post-war Germany, which at the time was like living in Siberia and Appalacchia at the same time. Didn't see a flushing toilet until he was 17. Herzog had a wild life.
Lmao so he is no different from a 3rd worlder. The only difference is that he can convince fellow white men to give him money for documentaries.
which shows that even from poverty they still can outshine brown people that can at best just make you redeem card benchod motherfricker sir
Yea only because of his german ancetry. If he lived in bumfrick south america he wouldn't have amounted to much. Think of how many people have childhoods like his but never amounted to anything because they either didn't grow up speaking a popular european language or that they didn't look like a popular european billionaire in a country where citizens would pay money to see one of their own ride a boat in a tropical setting because they can't afford to do so themselves.
>Herzog was born Werner Stipetić in Munich, Germany, to Elisabeth Stipetić, an Austrian of Croatian descent
Anon, I understand you're just some Amerimutt without a hint of education in history beyond the puny 300 years of your joke of country, but you have to understand that living in rural Germany after WW2 was worse and much bleaker than living in any part of latin America.
>300 years of your joke of country
If america is a joke for having 3 centuries of history then what is muttmany with their 150 years of history?
Are you pretending to be this moronic, or are you genuinely just an American?
germany didn't exist as a country prior to 1871, sorry kevin
and don't even try to bring up that medieval meme state only redditors care about
Haha, classic burgerbrain
Any information not related to fried food, gay sex or mass shootings just doesn't exist in your mind
looks like cope&seethe to me
>living in rural Germany
This, living as a germoid plague has to be the biggest punishment ever imposed on a man
>think of all the doctors and lawyers in Africa!
Frick off gay
You sheltered little homosexual.
>Let me say here that there are some very basic skills that any filmmaker must have. First of all, learn languages. One also needs to be able to type and drive a car. It is like the knights of old who had to be able to ride, wield a sword and play the lute. At my utopian film academy I would have students do athletic things with real physical contact, like boxing, something that would teach them to be unafraid. I would have a loft with a lot of space where in one corner there would be a boxing ring. Students would train every evening from 8 to 10 with a boxing instructor: sparring, somersaults (backwards and forwards), juggling, magic card tricks. Whether or not you would be a filmmaker by the end I do not know, but at least you would come out as an athlete. My film school would allow young people who want to make films to experience a certain climate of excitement of the mind. This is what ultimately creates films and nothing else. It is not technicians that film schools should be producing, but people with a real agitation of mind. People with spirit, with a burning flame within them."
>If you truly love film, I think the healthiest thing to do is not read books on the subject. I prefer the glossy film magazines with their big colour photos and gossip columns, or the National Enquirer. Such vulgarity is healthy and safe.
>Someone like Jean-Luc Godard is for me intellectual counterfeit money when compared to a good kung-fu film.
>I despise formal restaurants. I find all of that formality to be very base and vile. I would much rather eat potato chips on the sidewalk.
the bourdain of film
Fricking people who preach their way or no way are always pretentious buttholes.
>Someone like Jean-Luc Godard is for me intellectual counterfeit money when compared to a good kung-fu film.
Why he hasn't been prosecuted yet for being this based?
>Herzog: It's obvious to me that you never attended film school.
>Korine: I hate that shit. It's eating the soul of cinema. Filmmaking has become like a process, and it's all garbage. All these rich kids who were going to be doctors now want to be filmmakers, but they have very little life experience and they're just writing really shitty wit for each other. That's perfect for when they go to Hollywood and meet the people who finance films, 'cause those guys are fricked up too. That's why films are the way they are now and why I've largely stopped going to see them in the last two years.
absolutely on point
>become a truck driver. learn what hot dogs are made of. demand sex from women. sell artisinal keychains.
I hate gay little tests like that which exploit regular human politeness to make some "being an artist is like being an Admiral during the Cuban missile crisis, perhaps even harder" point. Listen homosexual, you beg for someone else's money to daydream, no wonder nobody respects you. Being a Hollywood exec must be like being a kindergarten teacher except the little morons are asking for 100mil for their little make believe crayon drawings. And what the hell is his problem with the teamsters lol, they are well-known to have fairly rigid union guidelines, they're not trying to ruin your 'vision'---deal with it, homosexual, I can't get a fridge delivered at 3am either. Fincher has always been one of those techno tryhard gen x cynics, his whole reputation is based on it.
so is he really saying "f" or is he saying "frick' but they only sometimes censor it?
>Dude just get a minimum wage job that covers half of the rent/bills/groceries combo you need to survive
I think experience helps with writing, in film and literature, and not having too many writers sully the work. But, I don’t really think you can finance anything worth watching on a few thousand which is how much you’d save up working as a taxi driver or whatever and I don’t think you can get into the industry at all these days without being born into it
...and thats why Post-Modern cinema and culture is dead... and Tarantino died with it.
the issue is not about funding the production of the film itself but the distribution. I could take 40k, shoot a film in missouri for dirt cheap that riffs on prison escape movies and make it about panopticon surveillance with like 6 actors tops, film it all in some abandoned building or auditorium that ive redecorated into a nice dressed up set, plan out a weekend opening night at some local theater that lets me rent a screen... and then show it to who? a couple of friends and family willing to entertain me for one weekend? maybe 1 or 2 strangers that are nice enough to show up?
why not just enter it into film festivals?
Kipling/Hemingway macho posturing
>you HAVE to be a hunter and fisherman and build your own house
it's funny since they were both turbopussies
And that hemingways son was a troony and that hemingway killed himself. All that tough guy shit was just massive coping.
i met him in the early 2000s and we had a little chat. i asked him why he didnt fire kinski and hire someone else to have less drama and stress. he told me to frick off because i have no clue how to make films and then he left
Meanwhile Tolstoy was a nobleman who did frick all with his life and is still considered among the greats in classical literature. Alan poe was a depressed frick who led a miserable life, Nietszche too. Some people are just more creative and can do more with less.
Tolstoy served in the Crimean War
And Edgar Allan Poe was in the military as well.
> Poe was unable to support himself, so he enlisted in the United States Army as a private on May 27, 1827, using the name "Edgar A. Perry". He claimed that he was 22 years old even though he was 18.[22] He first served at Fort Independence in Boston Harbor for five dollars a month.[20] That year, he released his first book, a 40-page collection of poetry titled Tamerlane and Other Poems, attributed with the byline "by a Bostonian". Only 50 copies were printed, and the book received virtually no attention.[23] Poe's regiment was posted to Fort Moultrie in Charleston, South Carolina, and traveled by ship on the brig Waltham on November 8, 1827. Poe was promoted to "artificer", an enlisted tradesman who prepared shells for artillery, and had his monthly pay doubled.[24] He served for two years and attained the rank of Sergeant Major for Artillery (the highest rank that a non-commissioned officer could achieve); he then sought to end his five-year enlistment early.
Poe also attended a noble british school, he emigrated to the emergent New Virginia and had the president of the united states as a friend (jefferson)
The Gray Man somehow made millions despite being a shitty borne rip off. The author is some homosexual 50 year old that got to retire from some shitty insurance sales job because he wrote a b-grade version of borne identity without any of the depth.
Hollywood is running on fumes.
If you have even a crumb of discipline and can write 1k words a day, within 6 months you got a shitty serial novel like Jack Reacher. Just by writing shit like: "Max Power sneered at the russian thug as he deftly parried a series of judo chops, twisting his entire body at last moment, Max unleashed a hellish kick that sent his assailant skittering away like a brain addled spider, then Max unslung a barret 50cal special forces marksmanship rifle and fired a burst into an oncoming ac-10 warthog" etc etc.
I should try this, I did quite well in all of my English and creative writing classes. They were the only classes that I scored higher than a B in.
>Drive a taxi for six months and you’ll have enough money to make a film.
LMFAO in which country and which time period holy shit.
herzog is of the beg, borrow and steal school of filmmaking. he literally means that to make a movie you just need to have enough money to feed yourself during the filming.
need a camera? borrow one, or steal if you cant borrow one
need actors? ok, that sounds like you are a hack, but if you really need actors just go to some seedy bars and seek out the most broken, attention-craving person there and charm them. now you have an actor that will work for free.
need a script or a plot to the movie? hack.
need a distribution model? hack.
its beautiful how God designed this world. Its all an illusion and success is just a matter of intention. Everything its symbolic and an initiation
I'm Canadian and I wouldn't even be able to support myself doing all those jobs simultaneously, let alone save to make a film
Well consider the writers and filmmakers of today... millennial trash who went from highschool to diversity acceptance at a college, to diversity hire at some shithouse production studio like Jizzney or Netshitz. Zero life experience, and thus all their stories and characters are the same, abrasive stories about quippy diverse friend groups doing stupid millennial things, with only a thin veneer of context (oh this one is about quippy doctors, and this one is about quippy teenagers with super powers) to differentiate them.
I cannot begin to describe the joys of throwing yourself into the filth of life when you are young. The freedom of truly engaging with the worst of your options is spectacular and it makes you unbelievably powerful in a spiritual sense when you embrace the misery of life joyfully.
That being said, you don’t have to do all of that to make a movie. Just if you want to be an interesting or authentic person in general, you shouldn’t play it safe and spend all your time safe and snug indoors.
Which of course only works if you have family money and connections so that they can get you out of the gutter and set you up with a cushy socioeconomic position.
Not really. I understand you’re a salty homosexual but you don’t need a great deal of money to make films.
>you don’t need a great deal of money to make films.
you do if you are a hack
exhibit A: hollywood
>Roll up your sleeves and work as a bouncer in a sex club or a warden in a lunatic asylum or a machine operator in a slaughterhouse. Drive a taxi for six months and you’ll have enough money to buy a house.
>Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, walk up to the owner and give him a firm handshake.
No, delusional boomer advice that might have applied thirty or sixty years ago but hasn't been relevant in ages. Even if you followed that advice today, you most likely wouldn't make that money back or get a career out of it because the film industry is dying.
Boomers could just...get whatever job they wanted, whenever they wanted it. Honestly, it's such a wild perspective that I have a difficult time conceptualizing it in my mind. The idea of an Uber driver having enough money to make a film in 6 months is basically high concept science fiction in my country.
It's not about the job it's about the life experience you get from the job. You're not going to learn anything about life from being an Uber driver except that black people don't tip.
>Boomers could just...get whatever job they wanted, whenever they wanted it
Because they had skills. What can zoolenials do? Buy Starbucks? Cite some subhuman german philosopher? Dilate?
the jobs he listed are the kind of jobs you can still get today with minimal to zero training
maybe in the fricking 60s. these days you need to be a multi millionaire israelite to make a movie
Sure, Black person. Cry gib some more.
Anyone who gives you a step-by-step instructions for creative process can safely be ignored. Most great artists were independently rich or had wealthy families or sponsors, only a minority ever truly lived up to the starving artist meme. The rest were just slumming it up for street cred so to speak.
Herzog isn't doing that here.
> only a minority ever truly lived up to the starving artist meme.
And he isn't saying you should be either. He's saying you need real life experiences. It need not necessarily be starvation. Even the LARP is useful.
right, mostly because you get to meet interesting people with fascinating stories which you would otherwise never meet in your little bubble
Exactly. Film isn't like music where someone like Mozart can create something great through sheer genius alone. At the end of the day, in cinema you're going to be telling stories. Stories about people, their experiences, and ideas that pertain to said experiences. Film school cannot teach you that. You need real life experiences and interest in reading literature(another thing Herzog emphasizes) in order to create great cinema.
Most of the recent slop is made by people living in a bubble and you can probably see what kind of social bubble they live in.
agreed. and I think Herzog also talks about jobs where you have the opportunity to observe people being useful for one more reason: you develop the instinct for something that Herzog is very fond of - when accidental/unintended kino happens.
he uses it in many (maybe most?) of his movies. good examples are the scene with the fox in grizzly man and the scene with kinski and the butterfly in 'Mein leibster Feind'.
sometimes absolute kino will just appear and happen in your vincinity and this is worth so much more than anything scripted, because it is real, and if you can capture it on film the audience will feel that realness.
being a bouncer, you probably witness scenes like that every night. it's useful as a filmmaker to get a feel/intuition for them.
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he didn’t do any of that shit so no he’s a fraud