>shitty eyesore art, half the panels are just headshots of people talking

>shitty eyesore art, half the panels are just headshots of people talking
>worst portrayal of Batman up to that point, tainted his characterization for years to come as a violent moody emo instead of a heroic detective
>made Robin a girl for some reason or another
>plot is just a power fantasy about how he stops all the crime in Gotham because he is le Batman
>patient 0 for endless Batwank about Batman can defeat anyone with le prep time because he a completely mischaracterized and nerfed Superman
>Joker is gay
Why do people call this one of the greatest comic books of all time, when it's undoubtedly one of the worst?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't forget
    >one of the worst characterizations of Batman fricking ever
    Seriously, Batman in the Miller comics is a fricking butthole. He's nothing like Batman. He's sadistic and self-obsessed and prideful, unapologetic and has no fricking heart.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Didn't read the book.
      Miller's Batman is classic Batman but in a dark setting.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Classic Batman doesn't beat Superman down and gloat about it forever meaning 'I'm BETTER than you'. That is not Batman.
        Classic Batman doesn't abuse Dick Grayson leading him to become a psychopathic murderer. Are you fricking stupid

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Are you fricking stupid
          That's not the line.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Classic Batman doesn't beat Superman down and gloat about it forever meaning 'I'm BETTER than you'.
          He doesn't do that, he simple beats him to make Clark realize who he should be again
          >Classic Batman doesn't abuse Dick Grayson leading him to become a psychopathic murderer. Are you fricking stupid
          Retcon in other books.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He literally says it to the man. This is the shit that started the BvS shitting contest for years to come. If this iteration was faithful at all to Batman proper it wouldn't have done that and instead paid respect to the brotherly relationship and mutual respect the two ahve for each other. Instead it made it a chest beating pissing contest for Bruce who makes it a narrative point of pride and accomplishment to grind Clark's face in the dirt to always remind him he was 'beaten'. That is not an appeal to Clark's heroic nature and spirit, it is pettiness and pride.

            >Retcon in other books.
            Doesn't stop it fromhappening in the original and being a foundational aspect of this iteration's character and history. This Bruce was a piece of shit who was so fricked up he turned Dick Fricking Grayson into the second Joker. And if TDKR is really the future of All Star Batman like Miller says, it's no wonder. This Bruce is a piece of shit and nothing like the character should be. Tell me with a straight face that any properly written Bruce acts like that, ever.

            Who was it that said "If your Batman can't comfort a scared child then you didn't write Batman, you wrote Punisher in a funny hat?" Because this Batman doesn't comfort his Robin (in All-Star). He tortures him.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >TDKR is bad because of something that happens in another book

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ignore that moron. He pulls this shit constantly, like in every other TDKR thread.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lick my ass, I don't know who you're talking about. I'm not the only one who dislikes this version of Batman and you must be a hivemind believing jackass yourself just to think that anyone who does is the same person.

                >TDKR is bad because of something that happens in another book

                I never said that, you disingenuous prick. I never said it was Carrie he mistreated either. I specifically said the history of this version shows how twisted and departed from the original he is. And what fricking Batman calls a child 'soldier'?

                Oh yeah, the one from All-Star. And look how he treated Robin in that one.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're the only one that criticizes TDKR for things that happen in the other Miller Batman books.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I didn't read the comic.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What the frick is it about Batman that attracts these fricktards in the comic industry. You'll see some of the weirdest people with the worst fetishes and beliefs writing these awful stories. And they're gay too which doesn't help.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      None of this is even in the comic.

      Also untrue.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Gay Joker is.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Also untrue.
        How is it untrue that this is the worst story to represent Batman's character? It's a horrendous rendition of his character without question. Compare it to any other version and the differences are glaring and indefensible.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's the best iteration of Batman, easily. Especially evident when you start comparing it to all the others.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You mean best

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What even is that pose?

      I think Daredevil is peak Frank Miller art. He just degenerates from there.

      Being contrarian doesn't make you interesting

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It doesn't prevent me from being interesting either.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It does.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What even is that pose?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I always took it as a body builder "pointing" pose
      But I also thought it was a view from the back, which is wrong.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But why do that in midair?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          why do anything?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's not a good comeback.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think Daredevil is peak Frank Miller art. He just degenerates from there.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Miller peaked with Sin City

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >one of the worst?

    Let's not exaggerate now. A lot of what you said is true, but most comic books are really, really, really, really bad. Especially ones made in the past 20 years.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You expect nuanced critiquing on a shithole like Cinemaphile?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I agree with this. The comic is bad, but yikes I'd say I've easily read 30 that are worse.
      I wouldn't say this one is worse than Batman RIP for example. Maybe on the same level of bad? But not worse.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it is one of the greatest cape comics of all time.
    A story about an old vigilante regaining his youth, his purpose in life, reining in his demon, and overcoming everything, even besting a god. Terrific stuff.
    Miller gave Gotham a pulse with all the mass media and politics portions.
    It's also my favorite version of Batman to date.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is ugly art

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Like he's transforming into one of the gargoyles/grotesques he stands on when overlooking the city.

        This Batman lumpy af

        He's bursting with Batzeal.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This Batman lumpy af

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You need to remember the landscape it came out in. This came out at the time when Batman was best known for his Adam West portrayal and was firmly viewed as goofy and camp. This went very far in the other direction, further than ideal, but with purpose. It shook up the public perception of the character and pulled the cultural needle more towards the ideal of what Batman should be. It was the blunt rock that broke the walls of what Batman could be to the common audience.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >hurr durr durr an artistic masterpiece looks like shit because some of the faces are ugly
    capegays were a mistake

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do people call this one of the greatest comic books of all time
    Two words.
    Gay.
    Joker.
    That's the massive appeal of the comic, it has a big comeback of Joker, and he's totally gay for Batman (darling).
    Miller let loose the thinly disguised homoeroticism of the Batman mythos for the first time.
    Next question.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      TDKR Joker is the only time they've managed to make him creepy, imo. Morrison tried too but it ended up being a Marilyn Manson cosplay.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it shows everybody else in gotham is idiot, showing why they need batman.
    Batman is the only sane person in gotham.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here's your (You), OP.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>made Robin a girl for some reason or another
    Gotta spooge to something.
    It's either her or the tall chick with swastika nipples.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Best comic ever

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