The plot is moronic and it marked the point that the series went woke. Always felt like Bond as a character was about standing up to the foreigners and degenerates. Now he's just a cuck.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>The plot is moronic
True, but Bond plots often don't make sense if you sit down and try to map them out. If you're going into a Bond movie with other expectations then you only have yourself to blame.
>it marked the point that the series went woke.
I don't give a frick about political messaging or representation per se; I just want films that are well crafted and create some sort of enchanting effect. I'll leave it to other people to screech about the actors' skin tones.
You're not wrong, but I don't think anyone even rates him or considers him Bond
contrarians here love Dalton, even though when he was supposed to be popular when the films were being released no one really cared for him much
but it's generally and rightly accepted that Connery and Brosnan were the best
>contrarians here love Dalton
He has one good movie and one great movie. It's pretty dishonest and gay and aids and gay again to pretend people are contrarian considering his contribution.
Nobody cared for Dalton because they had a decade of Roger Moore films and became comfortable with the routine of Roger Moore-slop being released, going to the theaters, having a laugh, then going home to frick their girlfriends.
Then Dalton came along, without as much humor, with more violence, and it completely upended the boomerism mindset.
I hate that comedy redneck sheriff character so much.
People get on Timothy Dalton's case about being the "worst" James Bond, but by far the worst Bond was fricking Roger Moore. Every single meme, joke, hokey cliche, and bad reputation that James Bond ever had came from the Roger Moore era. Wacky gadgets that went from "unlikely" to "outlandish"? Roger Moore. Villains who went from moustache twirlers to suicidal maniacs? Roger Moore. Literal sci-fi schlock-shit? Roger Moore. Comedy completely deflating any sense of tension? Roger Moore.
If anything, the Timothy Dalton era should be commended for bringing Roger Moore's hot air balloon ride of farcical bullshit back down to the ground where people can have their suspension of disbelief sustained long enough to actually care what's happening on the screen.
>HURRR, BUT I LIKE FUN
Great, so then how about we have a movie where Roger Moore is resurrected into the Bond role via CGI, then we can have him chasing the Road Runner around with Wile E Coyote, who has a nuclear device to blow up the 4th dimension, how about that? What, you don't like FUN? Oh, I'm sorry, were you just giving a bullshit moronic excuse for your trash taste in cinema to be excused because you didn't want to admit the truth and have an honest discussion on the subject?
I couldn't believe it when they brought him back for ANOTHER movie. Like, the worst character ever in a James Bond film and they gave us more of his unfunny, out of place schtick. This must have been due to some weird Smokey & The Bandit influence at the time.
I know. I saw The Man With the Golden Gun and Live and Let Die as a double feature and when Sheriff Chaw McGraw or whatever his name is showed up in the second movie I was in a state of disbelief.
He never really bugged me, never knew he had haters. 'The Man With The Golden Gun' always seemed a bit different to me. It was silly.
The Villains lair was a bit weird, because it was just Bond, Scaramanga and Nic Nac. Felt a bit empty. They were three guys in the middle of nowhere, it felt desolate. And then Bond puts Nic Nac in a suitcase at the end. You had the Japanese Twin Girls doing a martial arts expose and the mirror palace, which was supposed to be Bond's doom. Just a weird movie. Iirc Bond kicked a little kid into the water during a boat chase kek.
>This must have been due to some weird Smokey & The Bandit influence at the time.
james bond has always done this
to live and let die - blaxploitation
moonraker - star wars
license to kill - miami vice
quantum of solace - jason bourne
spectre - mcu
eon got finally rights to spectre and blofeld and decided to do a cinematic universe similar to mcu even thought it makes no sense (silva was never connected to blofeld, and he didn't even care about bond, only M)
I don't hate it however, he overstays his welcome and I don't get who the joke is supposed to be appealing to. The sheriff is basically the joke in himself and nothing really beyond that. Are people from the American Deep South supposed to identify with him and laugh at themselves, or is the joke just that their expense with the intention to be for the rest of America to laugh at the Deep South and/or British/non-Americans to laugh at Americans? Is just something we are too far removed from to get and people in the early-70s found it funny, or if it was always a question of what they were intending with the character?
i'll also always laugh at "Boy... you IS UGLY" to a baby elephant or whatever it was. i'm thinking they were just trying to do a dukes of hazard thing, the moore movies are heavy into following trends of the time
>Are people from the American Deep South supposed to identify with him and laugh at themselves
no, they are supposed to laugh at him and hate that part about themselves and hate their relatives that are still like this. this is connected to the rural purge on television and the breakup of the extended family
Brits in the 70s had a warped view of the USA, so while Americans saw it as a ridiculously over the top caricature of a dumb southern cop, many Brits saw it as just a comical normal American cop.
Because camp and silliness can be great but, it can still be executed poorly. The slide whistle is distracting and makes a unfunny joke for what is a impressive stunt.
There's a difference between silliness that is fun and silliness that is just moronic. Don't fall into the mentality that it all has to be defended. We can admit the whistle was bad even for the time without declaring that camp is bad and that Bond must be super serious.
One of the greatest stunts in film history. A fricking TRAVESTY. I watched this movie as a child and I thought the slide whistle was moronic.
It's just like how that otherwise shit Assassin's Creed movie has the highest leap of faith jump in history done for real, but they slathered so much CGI mush all over the footage that you wouldn't even know.
Better or worse than the pigeon double-take or the tarzan scene?
>this scene comes right after a young girl is chased down and eaten alive by two ravenous hounds in a dark forest, set with ominous cinematography, all because of Bond
I know the background of it trying to get that Star Wars money but, my biggest issue with Moonraker is it is just TSWLM again - basically the same villain plot and motivation, the gimmick of the ocean is switched with space. I have no issue with them reusing and rearranging ideas in later films however, it is really apparent to me as it is both the immediate instalment after TSWLM and too similar to it.
How would we feel if the slide whistle was removed?
You can edit it out however, the thing with that is we here know the slide whistle was there and that will always inform our response to the scene. To gauge the reaction you would need to do show people who had never watched the film before the edited version without telling them it was an edit - and that gets into the discussion of whether or not you should go about making changes to old films. I do not like the whistle but, I think the best thing to do is just accept it as the warts and all nature of the film and when it gets brought up just go 'yeah, what were they thinking?'
3 months ago
Anonymous
ok
3 months ago
Anonymous
It would objectively make the scene better, but it would also be falsifying history.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Mr Drax was basically just trying to clean up humanity, that was my point.
>In 1972, whilst searching for a suitable location for the James Bond movie Live and Let Die, location scouts were intrigued by a sign which read, "Trespassers Will Be Eaten". After meeting with Kananga, they were convinced the Swamp Safari should be used as part of the fictional San Monique.[5] The charismatic Kananga inspired screenplay writer Tom Mankiewicz to name the film's villain Dr. Kananga.[6] In the movie, he is played by Yaphet Kotto. >Kananga suggested the stunt of Bond (played by Roger Moore) jumping on crocodiles, and was enlisted by the producers to perform it.[7] The scene required five takes to complete, including one in which the last crocodile snapped at Kananga's heel, tearing his trousers and causing him a number of injuries. One required 193 stitches. Kananga was paid $60,000 for his contribution.[6][8] >Kananga died of a cardiac arrest while spearfishing in Collier County in the Everglades in 1978, aged 32.[12][3]
>That movie had nothing going for it besides... Christopher Lee
In a film titled "The Man With the Golden Gun," that's really all you need, but it's not only the man himself, it's how he makes the whole movie come together.
There's the henchmanlet Nick Nack and the wrinkle thrown into his servitude to Scaramanga (he inherits the whole island if Scaramanga dies), the funhouse, and the whole "Most Dangerous Game" premise that really would've shined more if the script had been cleaned up a little bit.
>perfectly calculated and executed stung
>LMAO LET'S RUIN IT WITH A STUPID SOUND EFFECT
Seeth moar. Bet you like the Daniel gay movies
I liked Casino Royale and Skyfall.
If you like Skyfall you're a mong
Nah.
The plot is moronic and it marked the point that the series went woke. Always felt like Bond as a character was about standing up to the foreigners and degenerates. Now he's just a cuck.
>The plot is moronic
True, but Bond plots often don't make sense if you sit down and try to map them out. If you're going into a Bond movie with other expectations then you only have yourself to blame.
>it marked the point that the series went woke.
I don't give a frick about political messaging or representation per se; I just want films that are well crafted and create some sort of enchanting effect. I'll leave it to other people to screech about the actors' skin tones.
Everyone on here hates Moore as bond but I think it's just because of the goofy tone of most of his movies
They had all the best stunts though
>Everyone on here hates Moore
This isn't true at all. If anything everyone on Cinemaphile hates Craig.
You're not wrong, but I don't think anyone even rates him or considers him Bond
contrarians here love Dalton, even though when he was supposed to be popular when the films were being released no one really cared for him much
but it's generally and rightly accepted that Connery and Brosnan were the best
>contrarians here love Dalton
He has one good movie and one great movie. It's pretty dishonest and gay and aids and gay again to pretend people are contrarian considering his contribution.
>but I don't think anyone even rates him or considers him Bond
I see anons regularly rank TSWLM as one of the best, if not the best, Bond films.
>contrarians here love Dalton
Nobody cared for Dalton because they had a decade of Roger Moore films and became comfortable with the routine of Roger Moore-slop being released, going to the theaters, having a laugh, then going home to frick their girlfriends.
Then Dalton came along, without as much humor, with more violence, and it completely upended the boomerism mindset.
People get on Timothy Dalton's case about being the "worst" James Bond, but by far the worst Bond was fricking Roger Moore. Every single meme, joke, hokey cliche, and bad reputation that James Bond ever had came from the Roger Moore era. Wacky gadgets that went from "unlikely" to "outlandish"? Roger Moore. Villains who went from moustache twirlers to suicidal maniacs? Roger Moore. Literal sci-fi schlock-shit? Roger Moore. Comedy completely deflating any sense of tension? Roger Moore.
If anything, the Timothy Dalton era should be commended for bringing Roger Moore's hot air balloon ride of farcical bullshit back down to the ground where people can have their suspension of disbelief sustained long enough to actually care what's happening on the screen.
>HURRR, BUT I LIKE FUN
Great, so then how about we have a movie where Roger Moore is resurrected into the Bond role via CGI, then we can have him chasing the Road Runner around with Wile E Coyote, who has a nuclear device to blow up the 4th dimension, how about that? What, you don't like FUN? Oh, I'm sorry, were you just giving a bullshit moronic excuse for your trash taste in cinema to be excused because you didn't want to admit the truth and have an honest discussion on the subject?
Roger Moore movies were funny and had the best stunts in the series.
Dalton is a boring nothing. There's a reason he was replaced.
I hate that comedy redneck sheriff character so much.
Big Hoss?
One of the lowest points of the Bond franchise
I couldn't believe it when they brought him back for ANOTHER movie. Like, the worst character ever in a James Bond film and they gave us more of his unfunny, out of place schtick. This must have been due to some weird Smokey & The Bandit influence at the time.
I know. I saw The Man With the Golden Gun and Live and Let Die as a double feature and when Sheriff Chaw McGraw or whatever his name is showed up in the second movie I was in a state of disbelief.
He never really bugged me, never knew he had haters. 'The Man With The Golden Gun' always seemed a bit different to me. It was silly.
The Villains lair was a bit weird, because it was just Bond, Scaramanga and Nic Nac. Felt a bit empty. They were three guys in the middle of nowhere, it felt desolate. And then Bond puts Nic Nac in a suitcase at the end. You had the Japanese Twin Girls doing a martial arts expose and the mirror palace, which was supposed to be Bond's doom. Just a weird movie. Iirc Bond kicked a little kid into the water during a boat chase kek.
Jews couldn't contain their hatred towards white people. They also went over the top with Russian spite during the Brosnan era.
>This must have been due to some weird Smokey & The Bandit influence at the time.
james bond has always done this
to live and let die - blaxploitation
moonraker - star wars
license to kill - miami vice
quantum of solace - jason bourne
spectre - mcu
>spectre - mcu
Elaborate.
eon got finally rights to spectre and blofeld and decided to do a cinematic universe similar to mcu even thought it makes no sense (silva was never connected to blofeld, and he didn't even care about bond, only M)
how is it a cinematic universe? craig movies are just craig movies, they aren't tied to others
>must have been due to some weird Smokey & The Bandit influence at the time
Smokey and the Bandit premiered in May 1977
Live and Let Die 1973
The Man With The Golden Gun 1974
Sidehackers, 1969.
That part actually made me lol that an inbred redneck stereotype would be vacationing in like vietnam or wherever the frick
I thought it was the sheriff from Smokey in the bandit for over 20 years
I don't hate it however, he overstays his welcome and I don't get who the joke is supposed to be appealing to. The sheriff is basically the joke in himself and nothing really beyond that. Are people from the American Deep South supposed to identify with him and laugh at themselves, or is the joke just that their expense with the intention to be for the rest of America to laugh at the Deep South and/or British/non-Americans to laugh at Americans? Is just something we are too far removed from to get and people in the early-70s found it funny, or if it was always a question of what they were intending with the character?
he made me laugh when i was a kid.
i'll also always laugh at "Boy... you IS UGLY" to a baby elephant or whatever it was. i'm thinking they were just trying to do a dukes of hazard thing, the moore movies are heavy into following trends of the time
>Are people from the American Deep South supposed to identify with him and laugh at themselves
no, they are supposed to laugh at him and hate that part about themselves and hate their relatives that are still like this. this is connected to the rural purge on television and the breakup of the extended family
I wish they'd do that for Black folk and gays. Like make them hate themselves.
Ever see a Kevin Hart movie?
Which one?
Brits in the 70s had a warped view of the USA, so while Americans saw it as a ridiculously over the top caricature of a dumb southern cop, many Brits saw it as just a comical normal American cop.
Only reason Cinemaphile hates it is because it's a better shitpost than they could've ever come up with.
How embarrassing.
Idk why this bothers people.
Because camp and silliness can be great but, it can still be executed poorly. The slide whistle is distracting and makes a unfunny joke for what is a impressive stunt.
It was seventies. Everyone wore silly clothes back then, even your grandpa.
There's a difference between silliness that is fun and silliness that is just moronic. Don't fall into the mentality that it all has to be defended. We can admit the whistle was bad even for the time without declaring that camp is bad and that Bond must be super serious.
I agree, that whistle was faux pas. It will never happen again, not on my rule.
How would we feel if the slide whistle was removed?
You'd just hear it in your mind. The damage is done.
Look some quality seventies movies like "Three Days of a Condor" or "Parallax View"
those movies are boring
can you be more interesting, sir?
than those snoozefests? yes
ok
One of the greatest stunts in film history. A fricking TRAVESTY. I watched this movie as a child and I thought the slide whistle was moronic.
It's just like how that otherwise shit Assassin's Creed movie has the highest leap of faith jump in history done for real, but they slathered so much CGI mush all over the footage that you wouldn't even know.
Better or worse than the pigeon double-take or the tarzan scene?
The whistle is by far worse. The pigeon doesn't detract from anything, whereas the whistle takes away from what is an impressive stunt.
>He doesn't like the pidgeon double-take
You can't buy taste.
>this scene comes right after a young girl is chased down and eaten alive by two ravenous hounds in a dark forest, set with ominous cinematography, all because of Bond
she was so cute, rip
Yeah, that was a dark scene. Moonraker has aged like a fine wine.
Moonraker was great. Villain has all the right ideas, when Bond was about ruin it all..
I know the background of it trying to get that Star Wars money but, my biggest issue with Moonraker is it is just TSWLM again - basically the same villain plot and motivation, the gimmick of the ocean is switched with space. I have no issue with them reusing and rearranging ideas in later films however, it is really apparent to me as it is both the immediate instalment after TSWLM and too similar to it.
You can edit it out however, the thing with that is we here know the slide whistle was there and that will always inform our response to the scene. To gauge the reaction you would need to do show people who had never watched the film before the edited version without telling them it was an edit - and that gets into the discussion of whether or not you should go about making changes to old films. I do not like the whistle but, I think the best thing to do is just accept it as the warts and all nature of the film and when it gets brought up just go 'yeah, what were they thinking?'
ok
It would objectively make the scene better, but it would also be falsifying history.
Mr Drax was basically just trying to clean up humanity, that was my point.
No, I actually love it. I love all the comedic touches in the Bond movies. Not entirely sure how I feel about the slide whistle though.
Loved the drunk reaction guy, goofy but brief
He should have reappeared in Octopussy to have witnessed the scene where the car in the on the railway tracks.
This was John Barry's idea. They can't all be winners.
>This was John Barry's idea
kek. What a legend. He recognized the Moore era as the slop it is.
John Barry is a legend, he made a few goofy decisions like this, but this amazing work on Bond music and sound completely outweigh this
Thought the Sheriff was hilarious as a kid. Never rewatched it as an adult though.
I sure am, BOY! What a great movie.
"See that some harm comes to him."
What a great actor.
Why in the seventies they made best movies?
DU DU DU DU DUUUUU
*boss looks at you sideways
I'd recommend watching the behind-the-scenes part of the dvd/blu-ray of this scene. This was a real stunt and not a miniature.
I bet the doctor said the same about your brain.
the movie has a bunch of great stunts ruined by crappy jokes
>True
Its not about logic, its about vibes. Roger Moore was most humanitarian of all Bonds.
It's a siren whistle
They paid a local to whistle.
Sheriff J.W. Pepper. Clifton James who played JW Pepper also played another loud mouthed Sheriff in Superman II. And Sheriff again in the A-Team.
>In 1972, whilst searching for a suitable location for the James Bond movie Live and Let Die, location scouts were intrigued by a sign which read, "Trespassers Will Be Eaten". After meeting with Kananga, they were convinced the Swamp Safari should be used as part of the fictional San Monique.[5] The charismatic Kananga inspired screenplay writer Tom Mankiewicz to name the film's villain Dr. Kananga.[6] In the movie, he is played by Yaphet Kotto.
>Kananga suggested the stunt of Bond (played by Roger Moore) jumping on crocodiles, and was enlisted by the producers to perform it.[7] The scene required five takes to complete, including one in which the last crocodile snapped at Kananga's heel, tearing his trousers and causing him a number of injuries. One required 193 stitches. Kananga was paid $60,000 for his contribution.[6][8]
>Kananga died of a cardiac arrest while spearfishing in Collier County in the Everglades in 1978, aged 32.[12][3]
Not smart
fookin legend
How the frick was this dude 28 years old in this photo?
Back then you turned 18, you were a man.
Live And Let Die Young
Less estrogenic processed foods back then.
Sun damage.
he died at 32
some frickers just go through it all faster than others
Unironically the worst Bond movies
>you hate fun
Stfu
The tropical setting, cool assassin villain played by a charismatic actor, attractive girls, a groovy song.
Absolutely not, not even close. The worst is Diamonds Are Forever, it's so fricking atrocious it causes me actual mental anguish.
better than anything post Moore
This pretty much represents The Man With the Golden Gun as a whole: close to great but undermined by a few mistakes.
That movie had nothing going for it besides a good song and Christopher Lee. Even the secret bad guy lair had like 2 people working there.
>That movie had nothing going for it besides... Christopher Lee
In a film titled "The Man With the Golden Gun," that's really all you need, but it's not only the man himself, it's how he makes the whole movie come together.
There's the henchmanlet Nick Nack and the wrinkle thrown into his servitude to Scaramanga (he inherits the whole island if Scaramanga dies), the funhouse, and the whole "Most Dangerous Game" premise that really would've shined more if the script had been cleaned up a little bit.
It was absolutely great, one of the best Bond films
great scene