So now that the dust has settled, was she a good parent?

Because he did it with poison and sneakiness instead of an honorable duel.

This royalty they either care about proper procedures or use them as a pretext to gain power.
Ozai isn't heir apparent, therefore if it is uncovered he is also conspirator this will sure lead to consequences.

This royalty they either care about proper procedures or use them as a pretext to gain power.
Ozai isn't heir apparent, therefore if it is uncovered he is also conspirator this will sure lead to consequences.

he was the strongest firebender, doubt anyone would object

the story doesnt work if Iroh could beat Ozai, after the latter had their father killed

that makes no sense, why didn't Iroh stop him then? or at any point later when Ozai was acting like the devil himself?
instead of trying to set up some kind of world vide conspiracy with white lotus

Iroh might have actually believed that Azulon was disappointed in him for failing at Ba Sing Se and chose to make Ozai his successor
Or he was suspicious but lost heart and belief in Fire Nation supremacy, so he didn't really want to be Fire Lord anymore so he was grateful for it

If the advisors and generals told him that Ozai was crazy and genocidal back then, and there was no hope of the Avatar coming back, Iroh might have put his grief aside and actually tried challenging Ozai

Iroh’s lightning redirection alone is enough to take out Ozai mano y mano.

Aang almost beat Ozai but would have had to kill him so he held back at the last second

And Zuko believed that Iroh could be Ozai, that he had the best chance outside of Aang.
Iroh wasn't sure he could do it, because he didn't seriously train for years, he spent a decade getting fat and soft.
He got back in shape so he could be ready for the Eclipse, but there's no way he could get back those 10 years of experience and hard work

But Iroh at his peak versus Ozai back then? It's probably a lot closer

>at best a humbled man
Nah he got kwabbed by azula's plot armor and hated her for the rest of the series.
Personally, I like to headcanon the reason he despises Azula is because he used to be exactly like her when younger but I doubt the guys at Avatar studios would make a story of his younger days and not make him a clueless fool just so he can keep le 100% wholesome redditor uncle good vibes.

>he used to be exactly like her when younger
What a kino idea.

Yet another thing Fire Lady Dowager does, right in the first chapter.

The "colorless odorless poison" is such a stupid addition to the Avatar franchise because it INEVITABLY raises the question of why Ursa didn't use it to kill Ozai too. Hell, kill Ozai FIRST, and you don't have to kill Azulon at all. Giving Ursa elite poisonmaster skills out of nowhere is really and truly one of the dumbest things the comics do, and that's saying something.

There's no poison mentioned in the show at all, the means by which Azulon dies are not revealed in ATLA itself.

My assumption was always that Ursa either smothered him or slit his throat as he slept. Poison never occurred to me because it simply wasn't foreshadowed. We didn't need to know how Ursa killed Azulon, just that she did it.

Both of those methods leave too much physical evidence, it needs to look like Azulon died naturally or nobody will believe the whole "btw my dying wish is Ozai is fire lord" bullshit. I can completely buy that some court lady knows how to make poison, it's called a woman's weapon for a reason. The really moronic thing is her just telling Ozai instead of doing the same to him, or just stabbing him when he isn't looking as in dowager.

The point is that the comics reveal that Ursa knows how to kill someone who vastly outclasses her as a bender (assuming she's a bender at all). And the show itself reveals that Ursa basically has no good reason to trust Ozai to keep his word. Dowager is really good about this: there is NO GOOD REASON to trust Ozai and Ursa knows it. She's his wife, she knows him better than anyone, yet even we who merely watch the show can tell that he's utterly ruthless and will stop at nothing to get what he wants. He's not the kind of guy you'd trust a guarantee from. So why not try and take him out, if you think he won't honor your agreement in the first place? Which Ursa had very good reason to assume he would not.

Honestly, Fire Lady Dowager does such a good job spinning off this AU that it really makes me feel like the setup with Ursa in the show, and especially the comics, has too many plotholes. The show does a better job because it leaves so many things ambiguous, and the mystery allows us to buy in. But the comics wreck this and you really can't help but wonder why Ursa ever thought she could trust Ozai to look after Zuko when she's had a front row seat to what a monster he is.

My assumption was always that Ursa fricked Azulon and his weak old heart stopped working.

PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP GET POISONED PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP

Ursa was able to convince Azulon to kill Ozai instead of Zuko, in exchange for becoming his side piece

but sadly, the old fart died of a heart attack when she went down on his dick

My assumption was always that Ursa fricked Azulon and his weak old heart stopped working.

There's no poison mentioned in the show at all, the means by which Azulon dies are not revealed in ATLA itself.

My assumption was always that Ursa either smothered him or slit his throat as he slept. Poison never occurred to me because it simply wasn't foreshadowed. We didn't need to know how Ursa killed Azulon, just that she did it.

>Ursa had a child with her childhood lover
>Ozai kidnaps her from the temple when she and her man were going to baptize (or what ever fire nation equivalent is) their child
>he pumps her full of Zuko and Azula
>when Azulaon tells Ozai to kill Zuko, Ozai thinks it would be supper funny to make Ursa kill him
>instead Ursa convinces Azulon to spare Zuko and kill Ozai, but the old fart nuts his soul out
>Ursa covers it up and pretends as if the poison killed him, then asks Ozai to let her go and escape with Zuko, since he hates him anyway
>but our lovable joker pulls another prank and Zuko never shows up to the extraction point, forcing Ursa to leave without him
>turns out that she's pregnant with Azulon's daughter
>fast forward a decade and Zuko is now the fire lord - Ursa believes that he would not hurt his half sister, even if she is a royal bastard, but she is afraid of Azula
>but her husband and her first son don't agree
>they join Mai's parents in trying to kill Zuko and obv fail, getting themselves killed in the process
>what's more Azula, technically under house arrest, quickly became her brother closest "advisor"
>one day Ursa spots both of her daughters making out with Zuko in the garden
>with Azula clearly encouraging her sister to go down on their brother
>Ursa, terrified of what that may mean to Kya she decides to seduce Zuko herself
>what she doesnt know is that Azula was actually trying to save her sister
>with her milf charms Ursa convicts Zuko to breed her, not knowing that both Azula and Kya are already pregnant
after she became known as a woman that gave child to every man who nutted inside her, women struggling to conceive started venerating as a goddess of fertility

Fire Lady Cumdump.

And we are surprised Zuko was banished by his father.

Catchy, aint it?

He's putting most of his magic on the comic

Azula was right about everything.

>His compassion never leads to anything and is directed at weirdest places.
How so?

He just didn't like Zuko.

I dunno, maybe he thought fricking with him by sending him off on a snipe hunt was funnier.

He strikes me as exactly the sort of guy who would do something just to be humorously dickish.

Exactly my thoughts. I felt like he was giving him a chance.
Your teenage pussy son joins war room, and then goes against some general. Maybe he did finally grew up? The fight was more like a rite of passage, yes Zuko would lose, but it is clear Ozai wasn't going to kill him. More than that, considering Zukos skill, he would hold long enough to prove to all the viewers, except Azula maybe, that he is finally a man.
And then he starts begging for his life...

Some thoughts about this from an expert.

Ozai would be a great troll. Imagine him with the energy of Azula during solar eclipse.

in the show Ozai is stalinesque psychopath, while in the comics he is a sociapath like hitler

which is a difference between a corporate CEO that might make a journalist disappear if he writes an article that makes him look bad, and a school shooter

yeah azula overall might've been the stronger one but zuko's by no means a weak bender, his problem for most of the series was the mental trauma. that's why he was beating azula during their agni kai and why she threw the match.

In this particular case he is picking on him for adding unnecessary comments. Azula and Ozai already agreed their teacher was a dummy, and now child who is subpar to both of them is trying to correct, basically, both of them. Obviously this is unacceptable.

I wasn't able to understand you, so i will just repeat myself.
Not an expert telling experts about their expertise is stupid. Not only that, but he is clearly defending someone who is stranger from his own family. This in my opinion is unacceptable.
Not that Ozai overreaction was justifiable, but not telling him anything would be equally just as bad.

>Or was he actually below average at that point that most firebenders his age?
He was way above average for firebenders that we see, but he was below average for ROYAL firebenders. I think that's what Ozai's beef was.

>And some people called Azula and Zuko's mom a bad parent.
Yes compared to cartoonish genocidal villain Ursa is amazing parent.
But no further than that, in every case there was myriad of ways to better guide her child, even without confronting her sccaaaary husband.
And I'm not trying to say she is liable for what happened to Azula, just that she is responsible for that.It is actually indicative, that most people immediately try to argue against former.

His talents would be much better suited to use as a stealth assassin but Ozai was too dense to notice.

It's hard to say because at that point he had been getting 1:1 training from Iroh due at least a couple of years. Prior to that he was at an unknown skill level.

now that I think about it, being Zuko uncle was Iroh's side hussle - his main job being the Grand Lotus and dismantling the fire nation

also at no point in the story did Iroh chose Zuko over Aang given a choice

the same pilot in which Zuko killed the Unagi?

It was still weak enough for Aang to block and cause an avalanche to frick their ship up

he knew he was an airebender and the avatar

*112 year old at least
besides physical appearance and spiritual power are not the same

dude xD

He considered Zuko a disappointment because Azula was a prodigy and he wasn't. Also because Zuko was meek and compassionate while Ozai and Azula were pretty sadistic and assertive.

He was probably narcissistic enough to think he was the most powerful bender besides the Avatar so his child/heir should be just as if not more impressive or they were an embarrassment to his reputation.

He’s defending the guy who’s about to be deported for doing his job, and he and the teacher are both correct. The traditional forms, however warped, are what remain of true firebending, Azula and Ozai are fueled with pure rage.

>As was the ship captain I suppose?
Yeah. The sea don't give a shit about royalty.

>Yeah. The sea don't give a shit about royalty.

>"The tides will not allow us to bring the ship into port before nightfall."
>royalty gives speech
>"I'll pull as in."

So which one was it? Captain being wrong, or sea giving shit?

And how is it relevant to my question?
It is either possible to bring the ship into port or not. And since there was no accident I assume he managed it.
Was his expert judgment incorrect, or did the sea gave a shit about Azula?

>We don't know how much damage her ship took
If it has taken any damage, it would have been shown, since the captain scene is clearly part of her characterization.

Roku died of poisonous gas.

If it's GOOD why do you care?

>I have self-respect and therefore value my time.
Then what are you doing here?

>and Azula doesn't want to change.
This 7 year-old still trying to please her *khe-khe* Dead father by being perfect or is she developed obsession with killing ducks?
She clearly had ambitions as a child, yes but shouldn't her mother being on the throne change her attitude?

>and following Ozai's instructions.
I assume she isn't on some sort of a secret mission, what kind of instructions?
There isn't anything wrong or worth correcting in her attempt to perfect herself but the reason she is doing it. And it is not like she has a serious reason to continue being "evil" perfect. I'm no parent, but I feel like there is nothing "You are great Azula, but don't push yourself too hard, mommy loves you the way you are" wouldn't fix. It is not like she would be able to escape tight hugs.
>Why don't you just read the fic if you want these answers though?
I hate fanfics with all my passion, not because I hate the idea, but the execution is always.... well... lacking. I hated and dropped most of the ones I tried to read, the writing is for some reason unbearable. They are just... so cringe and it never happened with a type of book you wouldn't be embarrassed to tell granny about.
To answer your question, I like the premise of this fic, but need an extreme convincing to even start, so I guess I'm looking for reasons to pick it up.

>wanting her affection and denying that she wants her affection.
Tsundere Azula - best Azula

>was never hugged by someone who loves her.
I would be crying too.

>unlovable, by choice.
There is no such people.

Look at how the world failed her. She should never cry or be sad. She just wants to be happy

with a dick I suppose?

Seconds*
If instead of Zuko it was Azula in first episodes, he would be dead before she put her feet on ice.

Someone wrote a war and peace length fanfic around that, iirc.

It’s over 4 million words now.

Autism.

Yours aren't? You must be ugly af brah

>Suffer in silence and wait for another opportunity or leave, I wouldn't have judged her for either this harshly. I am specifically shitting on Ursa for essentially trying to become a different person.
>For GIVING UP even the slightest chance of salvaging anything.
Ozai literally kicked her out on pain of death.

How exactly does a lifetime of miserable, hopeless longing help anyone?

Ursa literally is a 10/10 who did nothing wrong. Zuko would break your nose for disrespecting his mother. Just say you hate Ursa because you lust after Azula, Scrapper.

You only got it half right. Any person would consider themselves lucky to be with azula and thankfully ty Lee is just that person. Ursa is indeed a shit though

Don't try to argue with scrapper "the demon" about Azula or Ty Lee. He's delusional.

Are you trying to tell me you wouldn't enjoy abusing a broken Azula?

>I wish to say "I wouldn't"
Why?

Your love would fix her anon.

Sauce? The reverse image search brings up nothing.

Greatly appreciated my fine fellow.

You and me both, Anon.

Don't try to argue with scrapper "the demon" about Azula or Ty Lee. He's delusional.

He means the girl who betrayed her and then enjoyed torturing her in mental asylum.

Ty Lee was her friend since they were children and Azula loved her. Her being "scared" is completely out line because there was nothing to be afraid of. She isn't the fricking boogeyman she's a girl who wants friends and to be accepted

That's absolutely bullshit. You act like Azula never cared at all. Azula loved her friends and we see how heartbroken she is when they leave her. She wanted Mai and ty Lee to be by her side like they used to be. It's why she chose them over assassins or any soldier. Also azula knew ty Lee would make it out ok because she knows ty lees skillset and knew she is more than capable.

She cannot be a sociopath a child's mind is not developed enough to solidify a mental disorder.

It doesn't matter if Azula knew Ty Lee would be okay

What matters is that she leveraged her position as Princess to intimidate Ty Lee into a dangerous position that endangered the entire circus, performers and animals alike.
And threatened to do it all again the next night.

And she did all that, to convince Ty Lee to join an even more dangerous mission where she would put her life on the line every day. And then return to a life in the Fire Nation that Ty Lee hated and ran away from, to make Azula happy

Ty Lee's happiness and wellbeing didn't factor in at all

Because Azula wanted her. Azula was willing to travel and look for her so she could have her friend back. Ty Lee should have been more considerate of azulas feelings when she ran away or at least properly ended the relationship

Sociopath - is a term used to describe a person with dissocial personality disorder, and when a observer believes that this dosorder was mainly caused by social its interactions during forming of its psyche - i.g. in childhood.
On contrary psychopath is used by the ones, who believe that this disorder is mainly caused by hereditary factors.
I, as you can guess, prefer to believe in first and consider Azula to be a sociopath.

She cannot be a sociopath a child's mind is not developed enough to solidify a mental disorder.

[...]

Because Azula wanted her. Azula was willing to travel and look for her so she could have her friend back. Ty Lee should have been more considerate of azulas feelings when she ran away or at least properly ended the relationship

As you can see, child's indeed could be sociopaths, same way, they could have most other disorders. And by start of the cartoon plot Azula's psyche was definetely already mostly formed, so absolutely had some disorders by that time.

I can see both, Azula obviously has a desire for normal ass friendship and love but was taught by her father everything is conditional and power/fear are the only reliable means of control. She wants her friends but she was raised that she cannot trust them to remain loyal through their own volition. Which is why when she's betrayed because their loyalty to others rather than her fear of her, she's confronted with the idea that she's been doing it all wrong, she could've had earnest loyalty AND her greatest tool had failed her.

>why someone as perceptive as Azula doesn't understand friendship or love?
because she is not innately perceptive or talented in general, but she is a quick learner and a dedicated student

"Middle ground. She cares about them in the sense that she wants them to love her and does not want them to be dead or unavailable for her, yet she would do any manipulation to get that result, being sociopath she is."

What a weird thing to say before death.

It doesn't matter if Azula knew Ty Lee would be okay

What matters is that she leveraged her position as Princess to intimidate Ty Lee into a dangerous position that endangered the entire circus, performers and animals alike.
And threatened to do it all again the next night.

And she did all that, to convince Ty Lee to join an even more dangerous mission where she would put her life on the line every day. And then return to a life in the Fire Nation that Ty Lee hated and ran away from, to make Azula happy

Ty Lee's happiness and wellbeing didn't factor in at all

Show me where she did

No it's not.

No it's coercion but not slavery.

>unpaid
Ty Lee is no commoner but a Fire Nation Noble meaning her family's wealth exist just because the royal family allows it so you see Ty Lee is getting paid.

She explicitly threatened her with a fiery death beneath her tightrope and the promise to come back and do it all over again the next night after Ty Lee refused to help her initially.

You are foolish to think Azula would kill her best friend. All Ty lee had to do was just keep doing the trick

Nah you are just a simp. Ty Lee knew Azula absolutely would hurt her.

Azula would not have stayed that long. Ty Lee was not committed to her new life

True, she was just showing Ty Lee, that circus executives are willing to risk her life. She would be better protected with Azula.

You know that is actually good point. Frick those execs

Rewatch it again. https://youtu.be/4_9GDJP9w9A?si=QOMQocoEMtojgDGL Azula never says a single threat and ty Lee comes willingly to her

They do that at disneyland

both Ty Lee and Mai joined Azula partially bcause they were looking forward to Zuko, but in case of Ty Lee the other part was a death threat

True, she was just showing Ty Lee, that circus executives are willing to risk her life. She would be better protected with Azula.

Nah you are just a simp. Ty Lee knew Azula absolutely would hurt her.

That's obviously you samegayging.

keeping the memories wouldn't help her kids, they would just cause her to suffer. is it noble to suffer for no reason? if so, go turn on the stove and seat your ass there. you aren't using those balls anyway.

ah, but she's a woman and you have the expectation that women should be ready and willing to suffer for no reason at all just because you despise them and think they deserve to be miserable and subservient like good little masochists, as necessarily any fantasy of a woman being with you would include her suffering, and probably pinching her nose shut. if a woman wasn't a masochist, she wouldn't have sex with you, so you desperately hope they all are.

>That erasing her memories reduced her chances of ever helping her kids, to NEVER helping her kids. At all.

reduced them from 0 to 0?

>this character is a HORRIBLE TERRIBLE MONSTER for not suffering for literally no reason at all
You have to be 18 to post here.

IMO the worst part of what she did was planting this fake clue that Zuko was not Ozai's son. That was a dangerous lie to tell. It resulted in bad consequences for both Ikem and Zuko.
Ursa made up that lie because she was trying to figure out whether her letters were being intercepted. She should've tried some other lie to test it. Something less dangerous. Like for example "Ozai's breath stinks" or "I wish Ozai would take me to the opera one day". If Ozai suddenly started to use breathmints or wanted to go to the opera, she could've confirmed her suspicions without putting other people at risk.

She should have just said she was having an affair with Iroh.

kek

IMO the worst part of what she did was planting this fake clue that Zuko was not Ozai's son. That was a dangerous lie to tell. It resulted in bad consequences for both Ikem and Zuko.
Ursa made up that lie because she was trying to figure out whether her letters were being intercepted. She should've tried some other lie to test it. Something less dangerous. Like for example "Ozai's breath stinks" or "I wish Ozai would take me to the opera one day". If Ozai suddenly started to use breathmints or wanted to go to the opera, she could've confirmed her suspicions without putting other people at risk.

and all that shit only because they wanted cheap shock value

>if they wanted to add drama
Make Ozai loving husband and make Zuko feel conflicted.

yeah, what the frick were they thinking

if they had to have her and Zuko break up, why not make it so Mai learns that her parents are the ones trying to kill Zuko, but only after she reconnects with them and Zuko announces a death penalty for terrorists behind new ozai faction

then have her parents accept the unavoidable punishment with dignity, only asking Mai to save Tom Tom

this causes her to break up with Zuko after he refuses to spare her parents, citing all the death and destruction after the attacks

[...]
>Make Ozai loving husband
I wouldnt go that far, but we could have Ursa showing up with Kya (who's Ozai's in this version) in tow to visit him in prison, and then ask Zuko to let him go so they can live in peace on a farm with their youngest daughter

This would frick zuko up hard if his mom requested this even more if his dad agrees

Here is the idea.

You can keep political marriage, but make them fall in love eventually.
He is ambitious prince and she is his voice of reason and empathy.
During happy days they conceive Zuko and Azula, who while being mom's boy and dad's girl respectively, they still are loved equally.
During Iroh's stagnation, Ozai's ambitions grow and Ursa occupied with the children can't influence him as much as before.
It reaches the peak when Iroh's son dies, Ozai sees opportunity and makes his move just like in the show. Demonstrates to Fire lord that younger kids are sometimes better, without any actual hate towards Zuko.
Then Azulon orders him to kill his son, and in desperation parents contrive a plan to poison Azulon.
They fear that sooner or later the poisoning might be discovered so Ursa goes into hiding, and since fire lord is constantly monitored they will not be able to meet each other. They make love for the last time.
In Ursa's absence Azulon's ambitions grow stronger and his son's resemblance to her and her empathy makes him gradually hate Zuko, to the point of banishing him after war-room meeting.
After the shows end, Ozai reveals it all to Azula and they together with Zuko go on a search. Remove the team Avatar, and make Azula extremely depressed so that she is not trying to run away, more then that, she is constantly trying to hurt herself in roundabout ways, so that Zuko has to stop her.
After some serious siblings bonding they arrive at the remote location were they discover Ursa raising small girl alone.
When they return and show up at his prison cell, Ozai upon seeing the girl and wife repents and realizes how much of a fool he was for pursuing his ambitions without second thought. They don't release him and he would not have wished for a release.
They lived ever after and Ursa was sometimes seen sneaking out of the palace into the prison.

What do you think? Would that make for a better story?

>but it doesn't really mesh with atla
You mean that there is inconsistency or that tone is shifted too much? If former, which part? If latter, I think it is appropriate to continue the universe in a more "mature" way.
>also that story needs a cap on Ozai's sentence
He was too crazy during the ending of a show it might be hard.

>I mean in atla he is a psycho that bbqs his son's face for making him look bad in front of his m8s
Honestly, and it is me being crazy for loving all things evil especially Azula, but I find it is possible to see it in different light.(At least until he became crazy hitler phoenix)
Think about it

Ozai would probably let Zuko throw a few punches to save face, then lay him on his ass and declare the matter resolved. His son publicly pussying out in front of everyone is probably what set him off more than anything else.

Exactly my thoughts. I felt like he was giving him a chance.
Your teenage pussy son joins war room, and then goes against some general. Maybe he did finally grew up? The fight was more like a rite of passage, yes Zuko would lose, but it is clear Ozai wasn't going to kill him. More than that, considering Zukos skill, he would hold long enough to prove to all the viewers, except Azula maybe, that he is finally a man.
And then he starts begging for his life...

[...]
Ozai would probably give Zuko a less noticeable, less severe scar as a reminder

You are ruthless ruler and your heir is a pussy, who talks before he thinks, is impulsive, and does not respect authority. Naturally you would want to teach him a lesson. And during Agni Kai you use to teach him that you should not act or speak unless you can back it up with power or authority, Zuko completely chickens out. So you send him on a mission where he could become real man. Yes leaving a scar, but what is a scar for a real man.
Ozai for example, after Zuko kills the Avatar, restores his honor completely. To the point of not formally inviting him to the meeting, fully expecting for him to arrive on his own AND waits until Zuko arrives. He is fully expecting Zuko to be a real man worthy of being next Fire lord.

This is why they are.

it's not an incel, clearly a Black person sociopath narcissist with no concept of human emotional pain

Was Azula a femcel?

>an entire essay explaining why he hates women
grass.

> I'm pretty sure if it came out someone was touching her like that, Zuko have the person offed.
He wouldn't, he ORDERED for her to be abused in the first place.
No but jokes aside, he doesn't loves his sister. Just binged watched the avatar and precisely for treads like this noted every interaction they had. From their first meting on screen, to the last Agni Kai, I didn't saw any moment that can be interpreted as him having any sort of love or concern for her.
Not when they "reunited", not when they fought, not when they "defeated" avatar, not when she gave up her spotlight, not during last fight.
The closest to a concern of any kind was the scene, where she uses hairpin to save herself from a free fall. And even there, all you've got was just "She is not gonna make it." with a face from a pic. Does this looks like a face of a brother whose sister is free falling to her impending death, who he thinks "not gonna make it?"

>Zuko disgust

Explain the face then.

I interpret that you are a homosexual.

Zuko and Azula have a complicated relationship that swings between deeply careing and trying to kill each other
by that point of the story Zuko starts to understand that he will have to beat Azula into compliance and he is anot entirely ok with it

have you really forgotten about the moment that made all the zutarians cry out in pain?

Zuko and Azula have a complicated relationship that swings between deeply careing and trying to kill each other
by that point of the story Zuko starts to understand that he will have to beat Azula into compliance and he is anot entirely ok with it

have you really forgotten about the moment that made all the zutarians cry out in pain?

Yes, elaborate, please.

>You just made that up. As I said there are no scenes where he cares about her even just a littl
https://files.catbox.moe/89yu13.png

I'm not reading that, please provide an in-show-moment that illustrates your point. Author's opinion doesn't matter, especially when there is no something to back him up.

Not that anon but I bet he's gonna say non-canon.

How did you guessed it?

Yea yea, call me Scrapper next.
The problem is, I cannot prove lack of something, duuh. So the only way this discussion can be resolved is for someone to provide a moment which proves me wrong.
You guys, are yet to do it.

You imply he chooses Azula over Uncle or Katara, but he is choosing catching Avatar,restoring his honor and his father over Iroh and Katara. Even IF we assume that this scene can illustrate him caring for Azula, STILL the primary focus will be his honor. And I frankly cannot see how his brotherly love could be tangent to him uniting with someone to hunt Avatar.

>you are an actaul autist
I would not deny it, so what?
Imagine for a second she isn't his sister, how would it change anything in Ba Sing Se?

>Azula was figthing for his attention
Well she loves him, in a weird way, but still. We were talking about Zuko.

men show affection in different ways than women, and on top of that Zuko is emotionally stunted more than your average dude

but surely you've noticed that the way he treats Azula is different compared to other women in his life, also her opinions affect him more

in essence Zuko acts like a typical male love interest in a female centric love story, who is still in the first third of the romance arc when he clearly her feelings for the girl, but did not admit it to himself yet

while personally, I am a fan of jinko( Jin x Zuko ) just like with oreimo, I can recognize the setup that would lead to brother fricking his sister
in fact in atla their relationship is much more tropey than it was the case with oreimo, but instead of anime tropes Zuko x Azula leans more into the conventions of female centric romance novels

on top of that if you would roll Mai's into Azula we wouldn't have to waste time with that two dimensional character allowing for more storytelling to be done

plus, in the case of fire siblings, especially moving forward pass the og show's runtimes, the incestual part of their romance would actually add something to the plot, instead of being there for shock value, like the sex scenes with Lannister twins in got

>Honestly, why does there seem to be so much tension between Zuko, Mai, Ty Lee, and Azula? And what would happen if they ever realized what was going on?
because, as Aaron admitted, his wife gave him a hand giggity writing fire nation girls and their relationship with Zuko
here is an example of woman thinking to illustrate her influence:
https://files.catbox.moe/vh0bwe.jpg

unironically harem sex

after a very heated hug, Zuko would realize that he loves Azula as a woman and would approach Mai to explain that he can't live without his little sister, and vice versa, to which Mai would respond with "just keep her on your side of the bed"
then Ty Lee would have learned about the agreement and asked to be let in

anon, they are women

anon, how about you don't think about female behavior too much and just live your life being happy?

Isn't it the same with Azula and half of the tread?

Men are prone to focusing exclusively on the vulnerability part, women are not.

for men it's: she's so weak, I can save her and protect her
for women it's: if I make him feel good, he wont kill me, but will protect me

Cute.

She's out of control and needs to go down [on my wiener].

God I want to frick that smugness right out of her.

>she isn't Zuko to just pick up shit from people she fights
Are yo mental, she is that good. Why would a person so efficient at bending and perfecting her technique would be against adopting good moves of the enemy.
>there is no narrative reason for her to be able to do that
How about the fact her father was attacked by redirected lightning during solar eclipse, even if Iroh is the only one to discover it before, why would Azula be persistent enough to rediscover it just trough sheer determination? And don't spiritual bullshit me, It is just concentration and redirection. Water bending inspiration is just an anecdote an pathos from old wise man.

>If bending is a spiritual art then doesn't that mean Azula is highly spiritual?
More than that, lightning bending requires complete peace of mind and full control over positive and negative spiritual energies

frickin americans and their obsession with power levels
this is why we can't have nice things

>it is established from the first scene we see her in, that Azula's real super power is her hard work and dedication
No because she was always talented even before training.

>getting it back after some dances with dragons, because muh good heart
I am pretty sure Iroh went through the same thing.
>She was even able to produce lightning during her mental break down, feat impossible to Zuko who wasn't even able to control his spirit to produce a lightning once.
That is most likely shit writting given that the ending not to say S3 as a whole is full of plot-holes, Zuko shouldnt even be able to learn that much about lightning on a single afternoon.

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frickin americans and their obsession with power levels
this is why we can't have nice things

It's just your typical Azulacuck but yeah, I don't understand why Black folk watch shows like they're fricking sports, getting behind their favorite character as if they're a competing athlete rather than a part of a story.

yes, and girls were captured for her to do as she pleases with them.

>She was going to personally kill Mai all of five seconds before so I can only conclude that she wanted to it personally at the moment but had calmed down enough to try brushing them off as not worth it by the time the chi blocking wore off.
I read Azula wanting to kill Mai as a spur of the moment thing since killing Mai and Ty Lee, and telling Zuko this while attacking the Western Air Temple, would have been the perfect way to destablize him. Cause I don't think Zuko would be able to think straight, let alone fight well, if he knew Mai and Ty Lee's deaths were on his hands, even if Azula techichally killed them.