It was marketed as a generic hoorah COD/Gears clone when the industry was oversaturated with them, it is a criticism of video games being used as recruitment tools. The game is not trying to make you feel guilty, it's anti-propaganda.
That's a real nice fanfiction you wrote but it has literally no bearing in the game outside of parodying cod by you fighting sand people in the first chapter. Everything else is just a bad Heart of Darkness ripoff. Fricking moron loser trying to tell me you comprehend anything
The books and movies the game is inspired by are a snoozefest compared to the real kino, Spec Ops
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>still hasn’t been surpassed by neither television nor film
That's a real nice fanfiction you wrote but it has literally no bearing in the game outside of parodying cod by you fighting sand people in the first chapter. Everything else is just a bad Heart of Darkness ripoff. Fricking moron loser trying to tell me you comprehend anything
It was a different developer, but look at the games preceding it. I played them as a kid. They came out shortly before 9/11 and after 9/11. It was generic rah rah patriotism. Spec Ops The Line (2012) came out after the Bin Laden raid and had a completely different tone. It's a response to the rah rah patriotism of the 2000s. If you didn't live through the 2000s, you won't get it.
So you have literally no in-game evidence for your theory is what you're saying.
5 months ago
Anonymous
What do you think the meaning behind this loading screen is? I'd love to read your theory.
5 months ago
Anonymous
That has literally nothing to do with military recruitment and everything to do with "you are killing le civillian npcs dude!!!" Again, the fact that you have to stretch this much and this hard for even the slightest basis to jerk off this mid game shows how untenable your theory is, and how you probably need to grow up and start engaging with big boy media.
5 months ago
Anonymous
They took inspiration from the heart of darkness, but it was a game critical of the shooters at the time. It's starting to happen again, but the propaganda in the US after 9/11 was intense. If you weren't old enough to remember or aren't American, shut up. You don't know what it was like from the inside. It might have come off as pretentious, but it was a shooter that was not like most of the others at the time.
5 months ago
Anonymous
So you admit that the game has nothing to do with actual US military recruitment tools like America's Army and is just a generic deconstruction of the shooter genre. At that point you might as well call Modern Warfare 2 anti-propaganda because it's about a glory-seeking US general instigating a war.
5 months ago
Anonymous
It's a clever way to show that war sucks. Sometimes it's fun, but sometimes you're forced into fricked up situations.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You can't ignore the context in which a game was released, also MW2 still had you fighting for america against russians, Shepard is portrayed as a traitor, not as the representation of the average american
5 months ago
Anonymous
The company you fight in Spec Ops are depicted as having declared themselves rulers of Dubai and killed anyone in their ranks who resisted.
They could've saved themselves a lot of autistic reeeeing with a couple extra code lines allowing you to ignore the orders to rain white phosphorus, even if it's some overcomplicated way to achieve that.
The fact the devs thought if players don't turn off the game once they reach that stage they will feel horrible for doing it when in reality most games make you do shit that you don't want to do to progress the story.
Unless you're Elon Musk and turn off GTA V within the first 5 minutes because you don't want to kill a cop, you're getting your money's worth especially when you're a kid and just want to shoot the bad guys.
You don't get it. There was an interview with the devs where they said some moronic shit like if you proceeded past that stage you're complicit and are okay with it as a player.
They could have made it better, but it's not a bad concept. There's a lot to be done with games to explore different concepts, but a lot it could be deemed offensive by non gamers so it wontget green lighted.
You don't get it. There was an interview with the devs where they said some moronic shit like if you proceeded past that stage you're complicit and are okay with it as a player.
Shut the frick up with your muh interviews bullshit you dumbfrick chuds. What matters is the story in the product, not whatever vague interviews you’ve decided to interpret.
Also stop jumping into other peoples convos to circlejerk each other
5 months ago
Anonymous
No u. I saw the number of posters in this thread and I knew I had to ruin the samehomosexualry.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>chuds
Here's a good concept that won't be green lit because liberals and conservatives will b***h. Have a game about war and include civilians. Children too. Shooting at the enemy might inadvertently kill civilians. Bombing a place that you thought had enemies, but really has civilians inside. The battle or mission ends and it shows you the aftermath. The goal is to minimize civilian casualties, but whatever you do it's impossible to have zero. A guy you thought was a scout was just a civilian. The enemy ai can also kill civilians.
>be in the military >have to follow orders and do things you don't want to do. >sometimes you aren't given a choice and have to do some horrid shit because the alternative is death (people trying to kill you) >come home and people call you murderers
>be spops man >hundreds of men between you and your objective >well we could use the WP mortar >no! WP bad! we know what it can do >*looks at the camera* WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE >Snipers endlessly spawn until you use it >use it >get called a murderer >BUT WHY WASN'T I ALLOWED TO NOT USE IT??? I HAD NO CHOICE!??? THE FRICK IS THIS!!!
Do people really? I can't believe this game is STILL filtering people.
How mad would the devs be if I told them I enjoyed massacring those civilians and explicitly played this game to murder hordes of dudes
Because that's all true
the game is stupid because it doesn't actually give you a choice in the game to not do a lot of these things. most of what happens in the story is extremely linear and even if you try to work around it by not killing civvies or as many enemies in between it still ends the same.
>a story is bad because I can’t decide the ending
This is the hill chuds have decided to die on. They will desperately try to tell you the value in this story is “le twist” or “le self insert” but it’s not true. The story is about Walker and his frickups. The fact that the player can empathize with Walker is merely a strength of the story, and not its ultimate goal. This is what chuds don’t want you to realize in order to appreciate the story about the mistakes of imperialism and war.
Which is also ironic since Spec Ops actually does narrative really well and has some really interesting multiple endings. Chuds are just hung up over a particular set piece most likely due to the fact that that’s what was marketed most and a lot of them haven’t actually played the game, only heard about it.
>everyone on Cinemaphile cries about muh white phosphorus and not the actual point of the main character losing his mind because their feelings were hurt by loading screens
This game is the gift that keeps on giving.
I wish that video games had never become movies Yes, the idea of soldiers losing their morals and doing bad things is a good thing to explore... in a movie or book. It could even be a good thing in a video game, as long as the core GAMEplay is good. The gameplay is pretty mediocre to awful in Spec Ops, thus it is a bad game.
Story should always be secondary to good gameplay in a game. I don't care how good a CD's art or how nice the lyric booklet is if the music is bad and uninspired.
The gameplay is unironically good tho. I replay this shit almost every year.
Guns feel weighty, gore is realistic, and the attention to detail in the character models as you progress is kino.
>kill this person >no >You aren't allowed to advance the story until you do >ok, fine >woooow you killed him, feel tough big guy? >wtf >thanks for the $60, baby killer
Not even Kojima could write something this fricking stupid.
>kill this person >no >you won’t progress in military society as the epic hero you wanted to become when you signed up and you’ll be court marshalled for this and probably sent to prison >ok, fine >wow I should’ve never joined the military what the frick was I thinking
This is the normal interpretation, not the CIA lapdog (aka chud) thinking you presented.
All I remember is that this game was incredibly generic and repetitive and everyone was jerking off to the story. A good story can't save the dull gameplay. Also, I used to play the Spec ops series and other tactical shooters and the game had nothing to do with them. It was just a Gears of war rehash.
>playing the game you paid for is... LE BAD!!!
>don't you feel bad shooting all these pixels?
you have failed to comprehend the game
Tell me what the message is then, smart guy.
It was marketed as a generic hoorah COD/Gears clone when the industry was oversaturated with them, it is a criticism of video games being used as recruitment tools. The game is not trying to make you feel guilty, it's anti-propaganda.
That's a real nice fanfiction you wrote but it has literally no bearing in the game outside of parodying cod by you fighting sand people in the first chapter. Everything else is just a bad Heart of Darkness ripoff. Fricking moron loser trying to tell me you comprehend anything
seethe harder brainlet
No arguments. How about you hop back on the midwit train to reddit
I also get all my opinions from reddit youtubers
I'm certain pseud youtubers are the ones that pushed the idea Spec Ops is an underrated intellectual masterpiece.
the opposite actually, they came out shitting on it to sound smarter than the ones saying that it was smart.
It was a different developer, but look at the games preceding it. I played them as a kid. They came out shortly before 9/11 and after 9/11. It was generic rah rah patriotism. Spec Ops The Line (2012) came out after the Bin Laden raid and had a completely different tone. It's a response to the rah rah patriotism of the 2000s. If you didn't live through the 2000s, you won't get it.
So you have literally no in-game evidence for your theory is what you're saying.
What do you think the meaning behind this loading screen is? I'd love to read your theory.
That has literally nothing to do with military recruitment and everything to do with "you are killing le civillian npcs dude!!!" Again, the fact that you have to stretch this much and this hard for even the slightest basis to jerk off this mid game shows how untenable your theory is, and how you probably need to grow up and start engaging with big boy media.
They took inspiration from the heart of darkness, but it was a game critical of the shooters at the time. It's starting to happen again, but the propaganda in the US after 9/11 was intense. If you weren't old enough to remember or aren't American, shut up. You don't know what it was like from the inside. It might have come off as pretentious, but it was a shooter that was not like most of the others at the time.
So you admit that the game has nothing to do with actual US military recruitment tools like America's Army and is just a generic deconstruction of the shooter genre. At that point you might as well call Modern Warfare 2 anti-propaganda because it's about a glory-seeking US general instigating a war.
It's a clever way to show that war sucks. Sometimes it's fun, but sometimes you're forced into fricked up situations.
You can't ignore the context in which a game was released, also MW2 still had you fighting for america against russians, Shepard is portrayed as a traitor, not as the representation of the average american
The company you fight in Spec Ops are depicted as having declared themselves rulers of Dubai and killed anyone in their ranks who resisted.
What's your point?
you need comprehension to comprehend stuff.
Insane that zoomers are nostalgic for this panned garbage
>tfw when the credits hit
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kinossaurus rex
>you are le hitler because you le played a game involving...le killing
>also buy our DLC for 59.99 goy
The books and movies the game is inspired by are a snoozefest compared to the real kino, Spec Ops
This movie presents the real reason for clown world but chuds don’t want to face it
No, things were going to shit before that.
What do you think happened before that?
Prohint-it’s cycles of violence all the way down
All the way back to the first human to kill another human.
what if colonel Kurtz and the Heart of Darkness but in the end it is gentlemen welcome to dubai
It has. Still a really good game though.
They could've saved themselves a lot of autistic reeeeing with a couple extra code lines allowing you to ignore the orders to rain white phosphorus, even if it's some overcomplicated way to achieve that.
Why should a developer change their story just because it makes the chuds mad?
The fact the devs thought if players don't turn off the game once they reach that stage they will feel horrible for doing it when in reality most games make you do shit that you don't want to do to progress the story.
Unless you're Elon Musk and turn off GTA V within the first 5 minutes because you don't want to kill a cop, you're getting your money's worth especially when you're a kid and just want to shoot the bad guys.
The devs just wanted to tell a story. You’re the moron that can’t handle it and go off about muh agency.
You don't get it. There was an interview with the devs where they said some moronic shit like if you proceeded past that stage you're complicit and are okay with it as a player.
They could have made it better, but it's not a bad concept. There's a lot to be done with games to explore different concepts, but a lot it could be deemed offensive by non gamers so it wontget green lighted.
Shut the frick up with your muh interviews bullshit you dumbfrick chuds. What matters is the story in the product, not whatever vague interviews you’ve decided to interpret.
Also stop jumping into other peoples convos to circlejerk each other
No u. I saw the number of posters in this thread and I knew I had to ruin the samehomosexualry.
>chuds
Here's a good concept that won't be green lit because liberals and conservatives will b***h. Have a game about war and include civilians. Children too. Shooting at the enemy might inadvertently kill civilians. Bombing a place that you thought had enemies, but really has civilians inside. The battle or mission ends and it shows you the aftermath. The goal is to minimize civilian casualties, but whatever you do it's impossible to have zero. A guy you thought was a scout was just a civilian. The enemy ai can also kill civilians.
A lot of games about war could be made.
>be in the military
>have to follow orders and do things you don't want to do.
>sometimes you aren't given a choice and have to do some horrid shit because the alternative is death (people trying to kill you)
>come home and people call you murderers
>be spops man
>hundreds of men between you and your objective
>well we could use the WP mortar
>no! WP bad! we know what it can do
>*looks at the camera* WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE
>Snipers endlessly spawn until you use it
>use it
>get called a murderer
>BUT WHY WASN'T I ALLOWED TO NOT USE IT??? I HAD NO CHOICE!??? THE FRICK IS THIS!!!
Do people really? I can't believe this game is STILL filtering people.
Story could've been good if the embarrassing pseud shit didn't infect it.
How mad would the devs be if I told them I enjoyed massacring those civilians and explicitly played this game to murder hordes of dudes
Because that's all true
>war is... le bad
Stunning and insightful commentary going on here
Now go cry about Palestine
Most gamers are sensitive man children.
>dude you should have turned off the game lmao
woah...
the game is stupid because it doesn't actually give you a choice in the game to not do a lot of these things. most of what happens in the story is extremely linear and even if you try to work around it by not killing civvies or as many enemies in between it still ends the same.
>a story is bad because I can’t decide the ending
This is the hill chuds have decided to die on. They will desperately try to tell you the value in this story is “le twist” or “le self insert” but it’s not true. The story is about Walker and his frickups. The fact that the player can empathize with Walker is merely a strength of the story, and not its ultimate goal. This is what chuds don’t want you to realize in order to appreciate the story about the mistakes of imperialism and war.
Which is also ironic since Spec Ops actually does narrative really well and has some really interesting multiple endings. Chuds are just hung up over a particular set piece most likely due to the fact that that’s what was marketed most and a lot of them haven’t actually played the game, only heard about it.
I thought the game was good.
it's an adaptation of Heart of darkness which we already have and it's called Apocalypse now
What if the hadjis were nazis instead tho
>people unironically use "chud"
Piker gays leave.
>everyone on Cinemaphile cries about muh white phosphorus and not the actual point of the main character losing his mind because their feelings were hurt by loading screens
This game is the gift that keeps on giving.
>Look at what you did... you got everyone killed... bet you feel like a real hero
yes
>You probably feel reeaaally bad right about now don't you!
no
The story’s not about you, gigatardo
le white phosphorus killed people 🙁
I wish that video games had never become movies Yes, the idea of soldiers losing their morals and doing bad things is a good thing to explore... in a movie or book. It could even be a good thing in a video game, as long as the core GAMEplay is good. The gameplay is pretty mediocre to awful in Spec Ops, thus it is a bad game.
Story should always be secondary to good gameplay in a game. I don't care how good a CD's art or how nice the lyric booklet is if the music is bad and uninspired.
The gameplay is unironically good tho. I replay this shit almost every year.
Guns feel weighty, gore is realistic, and the attention to detail in the character models as you progress is kino.
>kill this person
>no
>You aren't allowed to advance the story until you do
>ok, fine
>woooow you killed him, feel tough big guy?
>wtf
>thanks for the $60, baby killer
Not even Kojima could write something this fricking stupid.
>kill this person
>no
>you won’t progress in military society as the epic hero you wanted to become when you signed up and you’ll be court marshalled for this and probably sent to prison
>ok, fine
>wow I should’ve never joined the military what the frick was I thinking
This is the normal interpretation, not the CIA lapdog (aka chud) thinking you presented.
OK, glowBlack person.
Go get em gigatardo
manchild
just play different games
white phosphorus is a hoax
All I remember is that this game was incredibly generic and repetitive and everyone was jerking off to the story. A good story can't save the dull gameplay. Also, I used to play the Spec ops series and other tactical shooters and the game had nothing to do with them. It was just a Gears of war rehash.
why do pseuds love this so much? the story is trash and the gameplay is even worse.
hilariously the game they were trying to subvert, mw2 was a better subversion of the genre than they did
Cool factor+good storytelling
Simple as
>good storytelling
that's the thing. it isn't good even for video games
Yes it’s all a conspiracy by the lib woke media and everyone is wrong
>lib woke media
>it isn't good even for video games
That's your opinion. Opinions aren't facts.
Try again.
name 10 video games you think have good storytelling
planetscape torment
legacy of kain games
disco elysium
vampires masquerade
deus ex
mass effect 1
KOTOR
new vegas
max payne 2
prey
>VTM
>PT
>NV
>PREY
holy shit lmao
all games with better writing than "shoot the white phosphorus you american monster"
You mean troony game where you win because you are special
>new vegas
Cope
The White Phosphorus scene was bad ass.