>Supposed to be the "villain", the one you're not supposed to be morally sided with
>Does absolutely nothing wrong the entire time
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>Supposed to be the "villain", the one you're not supposed to be morally sided with
I take it you haven't seen The Caine Mutiny
Only the remake hehehe
I dunno if it preserves the point I'm making but essentially, the character isn't supposed to have done anything wrong. This film is dumbed down and racist. It's not a bad twist on the genre but your complaint reflects a flaw, the fact that Denzel is portrayed as unambiguously right.
>nothing wrong
the boomer was high off of his his own farts, thank god the black chad knocked some sense into him
Not an argument, he did nothing wrong. They had authenticated orders to launch.
>They had authenticated orders to launch.
they couldn't be sure, and the XO could overrule the captain under the met circumstances. the boomer was hung up on "muh ship", completely ignoring military law
>they couldn't be sure
Yeah they could because they were valid authenticated orders that the XO agreed with. The second message was the one that couldn't be confirmed and should have been ignored
The XO was trained to avert nuclear war by the same military that trained the captain to start one. Neither one did anything wrong, dishonest filmmaking.
>orders that the XO agreed with
And then disagreed with.
And he was wrong to do that
And then he wasn't as the movie ultimately proves.
>And then he wasn't as the movie ultimately proves.
He was lucky it worked out that way, that's all, doesn't change the fact that he was in the wrong in the first place for ignoring orders, just because you're right doesn't mean you're in the right
>it worked
So he was right.
No, he wasn't. The second message was incomplete.
>should have been ignored
why?
Because in the context of the movie if you can't prove orders are real then you're trained to ignore them (no idea if that's true in the real world though but it makes sense)
the movie makes it clear that navy bigwigs intentionally placed an uppity black with a liberal arts degree next to captain queeg. His training was different.
That's not how it works, you still follow the chain of command and the rules of the Navy, even if you have an art degree
>you still follow the chain of command and the rules of the Navy
Which the captain didn't.
He did by trying to follow his authentic orders to launch 🙂
>his authentic orders to launch
Which was unauthorized by the second in command, as navy law states 🙂
and thus he was wrong for risking the lives of millions 🙂
>It's basically the beginning of WarGames, but instead of a test these two commanders have to duke it out on a sub.
You are going to have to spell it out, which specific rule or rules were not followed?
>attempted to launch despite no authorization from the the second in command
>mutiny after breaking out from his arrest
He was more of a Black person than the Black person
>Because in the context of the movie if you can't prove orders are real then you're trained to ignore them
confirmation keys exist to prove an order's authenticity, the one that didn't make it altogether didn't even provide the key because of the disruption. we're dealing with the threat of nuclear armaggedon, so disregarding a potentially perfectly valid order that would avoid total human death because some boomer is a trigger-happy maniac with nothing to lose would mean that even if he was right on merely formal grounds (he still wasn't since XO judgement overrules), he'd still be wrong
yeah even though I sort of disagree with Hunter's decision, since an order to launch was already sent, its very clear he had the authority to deny the launch and that's all there is to it
there also some question as to how careless command was to send such an order in the first place
Dr. Strangelove tier. The real culprits always get away in this genre, or the villain is war like denzel said.
>there also some question as to how careless command was to send such an order in the first place
that's what you get when uppity boomers who think they're hot shit because they survived one war (by using their fellow men as meatshields and hiding from combat) usurp the chain of command with their rotten, boomer ways.
I prescribe a 100% reduction in koolaid
gee, these homes sure are expensive. I wonder if the hoarding selfish pricks who bought them for literal cents had anything to do with this...
Still mad at your parents for going on at you about getting a job?
>They had authenticated orders to launch.
Except they didn't. Stop lying.
He broke protocol. He literally did something wrong.
I agree the XO broke protocol when he ignored valid orders to launch and focused on the message fragment that protocol says to ignore
>I agree
So you agree that the character this thread is about broke protocol, got it.
I agree that the XO should have been arrested yes
>I agree
So you agree that the character this thread is about broke protocol, got it.
They should have fired everything, movie blueballed me
>I don't authorize the launch
>"b-b-BUT IM THE CAPTAIN"
lmao that pathetic boomer got slaved around by the BBC
that's the whole point. The movie is about a break down in command due to doubt over a crippled missile launch message. It's basically the beginning of WarGames, but instead of a test these two commanders have to duke it out on a sub.
fiction usually requires that someone hold the idiot ball
this disagreement might happen but it would never lead to a CO being an aggressive egomaniac or a mutiny by the XO
the fiction also presumes that the nuclear cruise missile will be fired with such fallible levels of authentication, its all pure nonsense, as fun as it is to watch
It could absolutely happen. Rules are so comprehensive because people break down quickly under stress. More accurate writing might've had the Russians jamming or even wiping out communications with EMP so it really seems like a nuclear war has begun. Then Hunter would seem like a real libtard and hackman would have reason to really get emotional.
He's the antagonist but he's not a bad person. The whole point of the movie is that neither of them knew for sure if they were doing the right thing, they both wanted to save lives.
The external story is bad because it's a movie and in a movie you can have a nuclear war because it's a movie.
Having nothing to on externally just makes the xo correct the entire time which is a less interesting movie to create.
Basically the writers are pussies. Just nuke shit!
Why not tell a story about a sub that has a nice, no conflict tour where everyone is happy. Same result
>Why not tell a story about a sub that has a nice, no conflict tour where everyone is happy. Same result
I'm sure people like the movie in part because of the human conflict
You can have that AND a more interesting exterior world
both can perfectly make the movie on their own. go watch michael bay flicks, gay
>Supposed to be the "villain", the one you're not supposed to be morally sided with
>Does absolutely nothing wrong the entire time
>is still objectively in the wrong and villainous
Bravo.