There's no such thing as a medium-agnostic work of art in which its full worth and substance carries over to an adaptation simply by keeping the story intact; the comics are legendary for a reason and nobody should ever talk themselves out of enjoying them. If you're indeed asking what to go for "first", then definitely go for the original first.
The show's comfy and well made, but oddly enough as I get older I enjoy less "faithful" adaptations better if they come from artists interpreting and homaging a source material rather than pretending to simply "port" it. The Spielberg movie for example is a terrible adaptation under certain points of view (the tone and over the top style of the action are completely different to the gently heightened quality of the original), but the love and appreciation for the original still comes across. It's not life-changing or anything, but it's worth a watch.
I just wish the movie had found a way to sneak the cartoon's theme tune in there. It's so fricking good not even John Williams could outdo it.
Side by side comparison: https://youtu.be/as1-CbvVa0Y
Also wtf: >both the Canadian and French intros utilize a lot of clips from a pilot film that Ellipse-Nelvana produced in 1990, the year before the series went into production. You can watch it here: https://youtu.be/U5Rh-G_YJ9Q (And yes, the pilot also explains those bizarrely off-model shots of Captain Haddock in the Canadian intro.)
I never heard about this pilot before. I wonder if it was ever dubbed in french?
Weird. I've only ever known the European version 'cause that's what I grew up on. We really value our BDs over here, so it makes sense that even the intro would put extra emphasis on the source material.
You can really start with either but the comic is the original so that's probably best. You can skip Tintin in the land of the soviets and Tintin in the congo if you want as they are kinda shit but still read them if you want the full Tintin experience. They are not at all important to understanding Tintin's character though, nothing introduced in them ever comes back in later stories. Otherwise, it's just a matter of reading them in order. The cartoon is just the comics adapted into episodes, with some minor changes but it's overall pretty faithful.
Where do I start?
Should I watch the series or read the comic first?
Read the BD first. You can skip soviets, congo and usa, it's shit. Start from cigars, that's where the continuity begins and the recurring characters are introduced. Cigars is still rough, Tintin really starts to get good from blue lotus.
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Read the BD first. You can skip soviets, congo and usa, it's shit. Start from cigars, that's where the continuity begins and the recurring characters are introduced. Cigars is still rough, Tintin really starts to get good from blue lotus.
I'd say Tintin in America would be worth a read just for the first Rastapopoulus cameo
I think the Tintin in America cartoon was short. Most of the episodes were super faithful, but I remember a few were shorter than the original comic.
Man, I gotta say I envy you a bit; Tintin has been translated into like 80 languages for a good reason. The first few books are a little rough around the edges but almost the entire series is pure gold and the more you know about comics you read the more you can really appreciate how good Tintin is.
Mate, I'm a nazi and I still think that Soviets, Congo and America are the weakest three books. Doesn't mean they're not worth reading or not enjoyable, but if you think that they can stack up to even mid-tier titles like Land of Black Gold or The Calculus Affair then I don't know what to tell you.
Man, I gotta say I envy you a bit; Tintin has been translated into like 80 languages for a good reason. The first few books are a little rough around the edges but almost the entire series is pure gold and the more you know about comics you read the more you can really appreciate how good Tintin is.
Mate, I'm a nazi and I still think that Soviets, Congo and America are the weakest three books. Doesn't mean they're not worth reading or not enjoyable, but if you think that they can stack up to even mid-tier titles like Land of Black Gold or The Calculus Affair then I don't know what to tell you.
conservative troony and fascist troony sperging lmao
Dude, if that was the case then they would have mentioned Shooting Star, the original version of which was literal Nazi propaganda. Soviets, Congo, and America are shit because they're early and Herge hadn't hit his prime yet, not because they're right wing.
was just the first thing i thought of, sorry chum
rogue in X-Men maybe? didn't she start out as a random mook and grew to be a mainstay when the brought her back in the cartoon?
How rare is it to get prominent drunk characters in kid-friendly fare these days? Were any of you guys impressionable enough to become alcoholics after seeing the shit Haddock gets caught up in, or did you simply laugh at his silly mishaps because you had enough common sense and agency growing up?
There's no such thing as a medium-agnostic work of art in which its full worth and substance carries over to an adaptation simply by keeping the story intact; the comics are legendary for a reason and nobody should ever talk themselves out of enjoying them. If you're indeed asking what to go for "first", then definitely go for the original first.
The show's comfy and well made, but oddly enough as I get older I enjoy less "faithful" adaptations better if they come from artists interpreting and homaging a source material rather than pretending to simply "port" it. The Spielberg movie for example is a terrible adaptation under certain points of view (the tone and over the top style of the action are completely different to the gently heightened quality of the original), but the love and appreciation for the original still comes across. It's not life-changing or anything, but it's worth a watch.
There's no such thing as a medium-agnostic work of art in which its full worth and substance carries over to an adaptation simply by keeping the story intact; the comics are legendary for a reason and nobody should ever talk themselves out of enjoying them. If you're indeed asking what to go for "first", then definitely go for the original first.
The show's comfy and well made, but oddly enough as I get older I enjoy less "faithful" adaptations better if they come from artists interpreting and homaging a source material rather than pretending to simply "port" it. The Spielberg movie for example is a terrible adaptation under certain points of view (the tone and over the top style of the action are completely different to the gently heightened quality of the original), but the love and appreciation for the original still comes across. It's not life-changing or anything, but it's worth a watch.
Really feel the best way to adapt these designs tridimentionally would be to go for a faux-stop motion look. They feel to me they're perfectly made to look like wooden figurines, something like the old Japanese-made Rankin-Bass specials.
The movie is like that because, as always, you have to be mindful that ALOT OF PEOPLE, especially Americans, might not know who or what Tintin is, or even appreciate the slower pace of how a Tintin story usually goes. So the best idea was "Bootleg Indiana Jones Story" and it worked out. Helluva fun film for it.
This shot made me completely turned off the movie. I know it's meant to be a cute little thing like "Lol look how this character used to look!" but it just seemed like ti was spitting in the eye of a cue, charming style with a gaudy, overblown 3D style that was doomed to age like shit.
They could've used the same money to hire a bunch of out of work 2D animators and produce something beautiful, instead it has all the charm of some 3D porn animator's work these days.
Honestly, I think that what we got was almost a best case scenario given the time it was made in. I shudder to think of what an attempt to make a live-action Tintin would have ended up like.
Remember that Spielberg had wanted to make a Tintin movie since the 80s, but Herge wouldn't let him. If he'd made it back then it would have been a 2D Amblimation project.
Not lying, I just knew that Spielberg's Tintin didn't happen sooner because of difficulty between him and the IP owner, but I forgot the details so my brain defaulted to "Herge didn't want Spielberg to adapt Tintin". Now I realise that I was thinking of how Spielberg wasted his original option and the Herge estate spent the 90s trying to shop the IP out to other directors. My bad.
>the announcement that Steven Spielberg and Peter Jackson would be translating three existing Tintin stories to the silver screen? “Hergé would be terribly excited. He was a great movie buff,” enthuses Michael Farr, author of Tintin: The Complete Companion and a man who knew Hergé personally. “Even in the 1970s, he was terribly with it. He didn’t miss a film. He thought Spielberg was the only person who could ever do Tintin justice. That’s why we should be pleased about it.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventures_of_Tintin_(film)#Development
>Spielberg became an avid fan of The Adventures of Tintin comic book series in 1981 after a review compared Raiders of the Lost Ark to Tintin.[20] Meanwhile, the comics' creator, Hergé—who disliked the previous live-action film versions and the animated series—became a fan of Spielberg. Michael Farr, author of Tintin: The Complete Companion, recalled Hergé "thought Spielberg was the only person who could ever do Tintin justice".[26] Hergé had been looking to use the medium of film to make Tintin more current, as he felt that the animated films Tintin and the Temple of the Sun and Tintin and the Lake of Sharks had failed to capture the essence of the books.[27] Spielberg and his production partner Kathleen Kennedy of Amblin Entertainment were scheduled to meet with Hergé in 1983 while filming Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom in London. Hergé died that week, but his widow Fanny Remi decided to give them the rights.[20] A three-year-long option to film the comics was finalized in 1984,[26] with Universal Pictures as distributor.[28]
(animated series being the Belvision ones, not the Nelvana ones which were made after he died)
as a zoomer that saw the movie on my psp as my first real experience of tin tin, i think its pretty alright. the animation is pretty lifelike and the shadows are stellar, water could be better, especially the medicinal spirits in the plane.
i dont think that scene was as malicious as some anons think, its just a playful reference is all, obviously a joke.
however i would like to see the same movie as a visually faithful stop motion movie, sovlful as frick.
100% agree. I never felt that the movie was trying to supplant the original works at all, more of just another avenue to get more people to see and enjoy Tintin. It has a bunch of the key things for Tintin, but it does punch up the action to make it a "feature" piece. Sometimes works need to change to go into a different medium.
the film was meant to have a sequel directed by Peter Jackson but he kind of needed a break after the Hobbit and has really done documentary stuff since then
I don't know what the sequel could be about, the only remaining parts of the Rackham saga Spielberg didn't adapt is Calculus' introduction and his shark-proof submersible.
They probably would have gone strait from Rackham to a Destination Moon/Visitors on the Moon adaptation and incorporated Calculus' introduction into that. I wonder if John Hurt's death had anything to do with why we never got a sequel, at the time I thought that he was the obvious pick for Calculus, especially for Spielberg and Jackson.
Yeah, Pretty sure the cartoon adaptation of Tintin in america skips the native american stuff. Which I honestly don't care about too much because the native american stuff was the dumbest part of the comic for me. It wasn't for any "racism" or "Insensitivity" reasons that you'd expect it was because the way he defeated them was flicking tiny pieces of wax or something while he was fully tied to a pole across several meters and that somehow tricked the natives into thinking they were flicking them at each other and was agitating enough to make the natives all beat each other until unconsciousness. It was just too stupid of an escape method and make the natives seem like the Three Stooges tribe or something.
America, The Shooting Star, and Red Rackham's Treasure are all half-length because of the realities of 90s TV production (13 episode seasons mean there has to be a standalone episode). America was also incredibly loose as an adaptation compared to the rest of the series. It seems they were as ashamed of it as I am cuz they left it out of my childhood DVD set which otherwise had the full series. Didn't even know it existed 'til a few years ago.
Does Tintin have much character development at all? I find it curious, because I like the Tintin comics a lot, but I realise that he doesn't have much of a backstory or anything. He's just a mysterious young dude that's a reporter who does his adventurous things, and that's enough to keep people entertained and invested. Props to Herge.
I don't see the problem with this. One of the reasons characters like Tintin, James Bond or Lara Croft, among others, manage to be remain entertaining after multiple plots is that there's no start and there's no end to their adventures. The moment you add "depth" to the character is the moment moment their adventures start dwindling because the plot has to include development to their character, which is hard to keep after multiple stories. In that sense, the plot is now about the character instead of the adventure itself.
Writing a story with a flat-arc (or no-arc) protagonist is a particular skill-set in itself which most writer's nowadays are not very adept in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot02hMJ6Hkk
>Does Tintin have much character development at all?
Not really, no. I'd say he gets kinder and less slapstick-y and more capable as the books went on.
Personally, him being shallow has always been one of the reasons he's such a good main character. He's always been a lot like Link to me, where he's clearly constructed to sort of be a stand-in pov character for the reader/player (Not a self-insert) but he has qualities the reader/player almost certainly doesn't possess to the same degree, like wit, bravery and physical prowess.
All the while having an extremely simple design and mild-mannered demeanor, which in turn makes him stand out that much more because of the often incredibly colorful personalities of the supporting cast.
In the later albums I always felt he was drawn to look noticeably older, which I kind of liked.
What do you think of skinny jeans Tintin?
I dig it. In the Swedish version of this album the translator (a Tintin mega autist scholar) comments on how it was a interesting choice by Hergé to add a bit character to Tintin this far in, particularly the new jeans and the fact that he does yoga in the beginning.
>In the Swedish version of this album the translator (a Tintin mega autist scholar)
Are you talking about the new translations of the Cobolt press releases? Or the older translator? I'm planning on buying basically all the Cobolt HCs on Black Friday, when they'll hopefully have 15% off or something, it'd be nice knowing they've got extra commentary from the translator.
The new Cobolt ones translated by Björn Wahlberg. They’re fantastic and his attention to detail is incredible.
Picrel is the foreword for Tibet (my favourite). Recommend them wholeheartedly!
He also did the book where he goes into detail about every saying/swear/phrase Haddock ever made, and the challenges that arose when translating them.
Well that's good to hear! Now I'm looking forward to them even more.
>Tibet (my favourite)
That's my favourite as well! It was the only one I owned myself as a kid AND I was always interested in cryptids, so it holds a lot of nostalgia for me.
Great taste, anon
I always really liked how "personal" it felt. For once it was an adventure Tintin set out on for completely selfish reasons, with a goal that everyone told him was impossible to attain, and that foreword I posted really cemented that it's indeed meant to feel like that.
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Oh yeah, you could really feel Tintin's emotions about his friend possibly being dead and refusing to listen to everyone. It really made it stand out among the other comics I read at the time like Lucky Luke and Asterix And Obelix because they didn't get that "real".
8 months ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah, you could really feel Tintin's emotions about his friend possibly being dead and refusing to listen to everyone. It really made it stand out among the other comics I read at the time like Lucky Luke and Asterix And Obelix because they didn't get that "real".
>That scene where captain Haddock lets a tear out after Tintin finds the teddy bear in the plane crash site
Sublime.
By the way, anyone else here loves The Castafiore Emerald? I love how is just Hergé subverting all the expectations of a Tintin history to deliver a more slice of life take on his characters.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Totally. It's like a Seinfeld episode, lovely stuff.
8 months ago
Anonymous
The Castafiore Emerald or as I know it, that one issue where Herge aims to make Haddock as uncomfortable as possible.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I have Castafiore's song stuck in my head because of the series.
8 months ago
Anonymous
The Castafiore Emerald or as I know it, that one issue where Herge aims to make Haddock as uncomfortable as possible.
Any scene with Castafiore and Padlock together is comedy, and Emerald gave us a lot of them. also the gypsy girl is cute
I think that it's mostly thanks to the fact that Tintin gets paired with a cast of unique characters who in contrast make him stand out for being the most level headed in a bunch of situations.
It also helps that thanks to this, he becomes relatable to the reader who would be also weirded out had he been in the same scenario.
>didn't know it had a TV show I'll have to check this out
keep in mind that there is a Canadian dub and a European dub of the show.
watched the Canadian dub on tv as a kid, so I found it jarring when the show was released on DVD that it had a European dub instead.
A question: what is the appeal of Tintin to kids? It's a series about grown men getting caught up in crimes and treasure hunting, but the perspective is that of an adult. How did this resonate with children?
Spongebob is an adult but is childish, and all the adult stuff he does (employment, home ownership) is from a childish point of view, the way a child would play pretend.
Batman TAS would have a similar question, as the Bruce Wayne stuff is all adults talking about adult stuff in a child friendly way. Stuff like marriage, charities, crime. But the Batman stuff is theatrical and exciting that appeals to children.
Tintin however feels very adult despite the chaste hero.
I think you're just demonstrating the decline of children's art. Now a days, people see mild peril in a children's story and go 'OH MY GAWD ITZ FOR KIDS!?!?' Even within a 20 year period it's been noticeable. I read Tintin as a kid. It was funny and full of fun arventures
i remember being a kid and picking up these comic books
some guy does cool stuff. oh no! Something bad is happening, what will he do? He escaped! Oh no something bad is happening again? He escaped it again! Haha thomson and thompson are so silly!
that's it. it's a fun adventure series where we see tintin and friends escape and solve problems, and occasionally goofy stuff happens. it's well paced enough to keep attention from all ages, there's enough danger to keep your attention, and the artwork looks nice.
tintin was put in the big kid's section too, so you felt elite reading for them.
The art is good and there's a lot of slapstick and a dog. You get a series about solving mysteries and beating up criminals. Isn't Enid Blyton's Famous Five sort of like that, too?
Spongebob is an adult but is childish, and all the adult stuff he does (employment, home ownership) is from a childish point of view, the way a child would play pretend.
Batman TAS would have a similar question, as the Bruce Wayne stuff is all adults talking about adult stuff in a child friendly way. Stuff like marriage, charities, crime. But the Batman stuff is theatrical and exciting that appeals to children.
Tintin however feels very adult despite the chaste hero.
You think kids wouldn't gravitate toward perilous, globetrotting adventures? You think an adult main cast will alienate them? Are you hearing yourself right now?
You forgot that children grow out and became adults, right?
Cartoons for children will poorly age and be considered just to maintain attention, while for everyone or +14 cartoons will be always be enjoyable for the eternity.
I used to find boring cartoons like Johnny Bravo and Samurai Jack boring as frick when kid, but when I grow up, finally found it amazing.
Spongebob is an adult but is childish, and all the adult stuff he does (employment, home ownership) is from a childish point of view, the way a child would play pretend.
Batman TAS would have a similar question, as the Bruce Wayne stuff is all adults talking about adult stuff in a child friendly way. Stuff like marriage, charities, crime. But the Batman stuff is theatrical and exciting that appeals to children.
Tintin however feels very adult despite the chaste hero.
>Tintin is too adult for kids
nobody tells him about Blake & Mortimer.
Words can't express the feeling I get from a good fake Tintin cover. It's like those AI screenshots of non-existent movies. A window into another universe.
I really wonder if it's good or bad that this BD have concluded with around 18-19 album books. Thanks to their limited numbers decided to read in a future.
around 20 albums is the best run for a BD. less than 10 means it bombed. more than 30 means it's probably soulless cashgrab, unless all of them were written and drawn over many decades by a single guy.
You can read the comics or watch the cartoon. They're both largely the same. Just note that of the 24 albums, the first 3 are terrible and not a good first impression, being only worth reading if you're completionist who's already in too deep to quit. The last album is also just rough scribbles of a story only 2/3 complete upon the author's death. That leaves 20 stories worth your time, which are also the 20 the cartoon adapts. They also technically did the 3rd one but it's so heavily reimagined it hardly counts.
>watch the theme song
>read a couple BDs
>proceed with the cartoon
>watch the Spielberg movie
I like this version better for the sound effects
>mfw trying to hear the difference before checking the url
oops lol, here's the right link
This one's superior just for Tintin making a boat explode by punching it.
I just wish the movie had found a way to sneak the cartoon's theme tune in there. It's so fricking good not even John Williams could outdo it.
Wouldn't be the first time.
I love Tintin so fricking much, bros…
For me, it's the orchestral full-version
Side by side comparison: https://youtu.be/as1-CbvVa0Y
Also wtf:
>both the Canadian and French intros utilize a lot of clips from a pilot film that Ellipse-Nelvana produced in 1990, the year before the series went into production. You can watch it here: https://youtu.be/U5Rh-G_YJ9Q (And yes, the pilot also explains those bizarrely off-model shots of Captain Haddock in the Canadian intro.)
I never heard about this pilot before. I wonder if it was ever dubbed in french?
Weird. I've only ever known the European version 'cause that's what I grew up on. We really value our BDs over here, so it makes sense that even the intro would put extra emphasis on the source material.
You can really start with either but the comic is the original so that's probably best. You can skip Tintin in the land of the soviets and Tintin in the congo if you want as they are kinda shit but still read them if you want the full Tintin experience. They are not at all important to understanding Tintin's character though, nothing introduced in them ever comes back in later stories. Otherwise, it's just a matter of reading them in order. The cartoon is just the comics adapted into episodes, with some minor changes but it's overall pretty faithful.
Read the BD first. You can skip soviets, congo and usa, it's shit. Start from cigars, that's where the continuity begins and the recurring characters are introduced. Cigars is still rough, Tintin really starts to get good from blue lotus.
I'd say Tintin in America would be worth a read just for the first Rastapopoulus cameo
>The conservative ones are shit
Kys leftards
>He hasn't read Tintin
Man, I gotta say I envy you a bit; Tintin has been translated into like 80 languages for a good reason. The first few books are a little rough around the edges but almost the entire series is pure gold and the more you know about comics you read the more you can really appreciate how good Tintin is.
Mate, I'm a nazi and I still think that Soviets, Congo and America are the weakest three books. Doesn't mean they're not worth reading or not enjoyable, but if you think that they can stack up to even mid-tier titles like Land of Black Gold or The Calculus Affair then I don't know what to tell you.
Congo is hella funny though
>Congo is hella funny though
The very early books aren't unenjoyable, just a bit unpolished in comparison.
>Mate, I'm a nazi
no you're not kid
>Mate, I'm a nazi
Zoomer/gen alpha moron deciding what political extreme he is today
Just because is a side you don't like, doesn't mean he's edgy and naïve.
That kid is being confident. Let him be.
>Mate, I'm a nazi
post hands
it's making you squirt huh?
You're the one squirting about his politic, gay.
You're so fricking fragile, as usual.
conservative troony and fascist troony sperging lmao
Dude, if that was the case then they would have mentioned Shooting Star, the original version of which was literal Nazi propaganda. Soviets, Congo, and America are shit because they're early and Herge hadn't hit his prime yet, not because they're right wing.
Read the entire comic series, then I watched the Spielberg movie.
Not the TV series?
It's on YouTube, for some reason.
No, I missed out on it. It's too late.
Can’t speak for the comics but def watch the show, then the modern movie
Rick & morty but good
What are some other examples of a one off character becoming essential to a series the way Haddock is inseparable from Tintin?
Piccolo.
Em... a Cinemaphile example, please. Piccolo is a good example, but it's Cinemaphilenime.
was just the first thing i thought of, sorry chum
rogue in X-Men maybe? didn't she start out as a random mook and grew to be a mainstay when the brought her back in the cartoon?
or Venom for that matter? tough he may be more of a breakout character I suppose
How rare is it to get prominent drunk characters in kid-friendly fare these days? Were any of you guys impressionable enough to become alcoholics after seeing the shit Haddock gets caught up in, or did you simply laugh at his silly mishaps because you had enough common sense and agency growing up?
It's all good. I like the comics more than the show. Like most western cartoons from around then, the comedic and dramatic timing just isn't there.
>OMG THERE'S LIKE TEN BOOKS AND THEY ARE ALL IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER HELP ME SPI-DERMAN
There's no such thing as a medium-agnostic work of art in which its full worth and substance carries over to an adaptation simply by keeping the story intact; the comics are legendary for a reason and nobody should ever talk themselves out of enjoying them. If you're indeed asking what to go for "first", then definitely go for the original first.
The show's comfy and well made, but oddly enough as I get older I enjoy less "faithful" adaptations better if they come from artists interpreting and homaging a source material rather than pretending to simply "port" it. The Spielberg movie for example is a terrible adaptation under certain points of view (the tone and over the top style of the action are completely different to the gently heightened quality of the original), but the love and appreciation for the original still comes across. It's not life-changing or anything, but it's worth a watch.
Extremely good post
Could never get past the design in 3d. Tintin is kinda manageable but others with big noses and other stylizations just look like pus filled tumors.
Really feel the best way to adapt these designs tridimentionally would be to go for a faux-stop motion look. They feel to me they're perfectly made to look like wooden figurines, something like the old Japanese-made Rankin-Bass specials.
There exists an old black and white stop motion film, The Crab With The Golden Claws (1947).
The movie is like that because, as always, you have to be mindful that ALOT OF PEOPLE, especially Americans, might not know who or what Tintin is, or even appreciate the slower pace of how a Tintin story usually goes. So the best idea was "Bootleg Indiana Jones Story" and it worked out. Helluva fun film for it.
This shot made me completely turned off the movie. I know it's meant to be a cute little thing like "Lol look how this character used to look!" but it just seemed like ti was spitting in the eye of a cue, charming style with a gaudy, overblown 3D style that was doomed to age like shit.
They could've used the same money to hire a bunch of out of work 2D animators and produce something beautiful, instead it has all the charm of some 3D porn animator's work these days.
You have to remember. Motion Cap CG was still hot at the time, and Mars Needs Mom's didn't come out to murder it and dump it's corpse in the lake.
Honestly, I think that what we got was almost a best case scenario given the time it was made in. I shudder to think of what an attempt to make a live-action Tintin would have ended up like.
I still think 3D Haddock looks cool. Not entirely accurate, but its a cool take on him. Tintin got screwed a bit with the creases
Remember that Spielberg had wanted to make a Tintin movie since the 80s, but Herge wouldn't let him. If he'd made it back then it would have been a 2D Amblimation project.
Wait, so they literally waited until he kicked the bucket to make a Tintin movie? Is this what's gonna happen to Bill Watterson?
I'm pretty sure he's just lying. Herge said that he only trust Spielberg to make a Tintin movie.
Not lying, I just knew that Spielberg's Tintin didn't happen sooner because of difficulty between him and the IP owner, but I forgot the details so my brain defaulted to "Herge didn't want Spielberg to adapt Tintin". Now I realise that I was thinking of how Spielberg wasted his original option and the Herge estate spent the 90s trying to shop the IP out to other directors. My bad.
But he died in 83?
I forget the exact details, but Herge set up his estate such that the Tintin IP couldn't be licensed out freely for a certain number of years.
I heard Hergé was a fan of Spielberg.
https://web.archive.org/web/20081205054131/http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article1830463.ece
>the announcement that Steven Spielberg and Peter Jackson would be translating three existing Tintin stories to the silver screen? “Hergé would be terribly excited. He was a great movie buff,” enthuses Michael Farr, author of Tintin: The Complete Companion and a man who knew Hergé personally. “Even in the 1970s, he was terribly with it. He didn’t miss a film. He thought Spielberg was the only person who could ever do Tintin justice. That’s why we should be pleased about it.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventures_of_Tintin_(film)#Development
>Spielberg became an avid fan of The Adventures of Tintin comic book series in 1981 after a review compared Raiders of the Lost Ark to Tintin.[20] Meanwhile, the comics' creator, Hergé—who disliked the previous live-action film versions and the animated series—became a fan of Spielberg. Michael Farr, author of Tintin: The Complete Companion, recalled Hergé "thought Spielberg was the only person who could ever do Tintin justice".[26] Hergé had been looking to use the medium of film to make Tintin more current, as he felt that the animated films Tintin and the Temple of the Sun and Tintin and the Lake of Sharks had failed to capture the essence of the books.[27] Spielberg and his production partner Kathleen Kennedy of Amblin Entertainment were scheduled to meet with Hergé in 1983 while filming Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom in London. Hergé died that week, but his widow Fanny Remi decided to give them the rights.[20] A three-year-long option to film the comics was finalized in 1984,[26] with Universal Pictures as distributor.[28]
(animated series being the Belvision ones, not the Nelvana ones which were made after he died)
Hergé was the one who asked Spielberg to make it in the first place. Spielberg just got distracted for a couple decades.
as a zoomer that saw the movie on my psp as my first real experience of tin tin, i think its pretty alright. the animation is pretty lifelike and the shadows are stellar, water could be better, especially the medicinal spirits in the plane.
i dont think that scene was as malicious as some anons think, its just a playful reference is all, obviously a joke.
however i would like to see the same movie as a visually faithful stop motion movie, sovlful as frick.
i don't like the style, it tries to be realistic but it clashes with the cartoon proportions so it ends up looking uncanny
100% agree. I never felt that the movie was trying to supplant the original works at all, more of just another avenue to get more people to see and enjoy Tintin. It has a bunch of the key things for Tintin, but it does punch up the action to make it a "feature" piece. Sometimes works need to change to go into a different medium.
I still love this gag, shame the sequel’s never happening
Sequel?
the film was meant to have a sequel directed by Peter Jackson but he kind of needed a break after the Hobbit and has really done documentary stuff since then
I don't know what the sequel could be about, the only remaining parts of the Rackham saga Spielberg didn't adapt is Calculus' introduction and his shark-proof submersible.
They probably would have gone strait from Rackham to a Destination Moon/Visitors on the Moon adaptation and incorporated Calculus' introduction into that. I wonder if John Hurt's death had anything to do with why we never got a sequel, at the time I thought that he was the obvious pick for Calculus, especially for Spielberg and Jackson.
>if you ignore the terrible parts of the movie it is not terrible
>that motorcycle sequence
The movie got me to read all the comics, so I gotta give Spielberg that. It was also fun rewatching it and counting all the references and easter eggs
The uncanny valley makes it unwatchable
I'll never watch this movie because I really can't stand how it looks.
The cartoon is super-faithful to the comic. It's like JoJo's Bizarre Adventure faithful.
You can start with either.
I think the Tintin in America cartoon was short. Most of the episodes were super faithful, but I remember a few were shorter than the original comic.
Yeah, Pretty sure the cartoon adaptation of Tintin in america skips the native american stuff. Which I honestly don't care about too much because the native american stuff was the dumbest part of the comic for me. It wasn't for any "racism" or "Insensitivity" reasons that you'd expect it was because the way he defeated them was flicking tiny pieces of wax or something while he was fully tied to a pole across several meters and that somehow tricked the natives into thinking they were flicking them at each other and was agitating enough to make the natives all beat each other until unconsciousness. It was just too stupid of an escape method and make the natives seem like the Three Stooges tribe or something.
America, The Shooting Star, and Red Rackham's Treasure are all half-length because of the realities of 90s TV production (13 episode seasons mean there has to be a standalone episode). America was also incredibly loose as an adaptation compared to the rest of the series. It seems they were as ashamed of it as I am cuz they left it out of my childhood DVD set which otherwise had the full series. Didn't even know it existed 'til a few years ago.
There is also the old animated movies prior to the cartoon.
tin tin looks like miriu from that one cringe anime ngl
Fr fr
comicbook always
Don’t bother. Read Asterix instead.
Tintin > Asterix
Asterix had cool games, food and even good liveaction movies and tv series While Tintin don't.
Asterix>>>> Tin Tin.
This, so much. Honestly how is this even up for debate? I like Asterix but Tintin is clearly superior.
I read both, homie. Try and stop me
You can watch the series, it's fine. Read the BDs if you really feel like it. It's a matter of preference, really.
Do not encourage laziness. The BDs are essential.
Does Tintin have much character development at all? I find it curious, because I like the Tintin comics a lot, but I realise that he doesn't have much of a backstory or anything. He's just a mysterious young dude that's a reporter who does his adventurous things, and that's enough to keep people entertained and invested. Props to Herge.
He's a pretty standard pulp character that can easily be thrown into the next adventure with little to no explanation
Not at all, he's just generic golden boy adventurer-reporter lad. Nothing is really there to develop, unlike Haddock who learns to be less drunk.
I don't see the problem with this. One of the reasons characters like Tintin, James Bond or Lara Croft, among others, manage to be remain entertaining after multiple plots is that there's no start and there's no end to their adventures. The moment you add "depth" to the character is the moment moment their adventures start dwindling because the plot has to include development to their character, which is hard to keep after multiple stories. In that sense, the plot is now about the character instead of the adventure itself.
I wasn't pointing out a problem, i just found it an interesting trait about Tintin himself.
Writing a story with a flat-arc (or no-arc) protagonist is a particular skill-set in itself which most writer's nowadays are not very adept in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot02hMJ6Hkk
James Bond does have character development though through the books,
>Does Tintin have much character development at all?
Not really, no. I'd say he gets kinder and less slapstick-y and more capable as the books went on.
Personally, him being shallow has always been one of the reasons he's such a good main character. He's always been a lot like Link to me, where he's clearly constructed to sort of be a stand-in pov character for the reader/player (Not a self-insert) but he has qualities the reader/player almost certainly doesn't possess to the same degree, like wit, bravery and physical prowess.
All the while having an extremely simple design and mild-mannered demeanor, which in turn makes him stand out that much more because of the often incredibly colorful personalities of the supporting cast.
In the later albums I always felt he was drawn to look noticeably older, which I kind of liked.
I dig it. In the Swedish version of this album the translator (a Tintin mega autist scholar) comments on how it was a interesting choice by Hergé to add a bit character to Tintin this far in, particularly the new jeans and the fact that he does yoga in the beginning.
>In the Swedish version of this album the translator (a Tintin mega autist scholar)
Are you talking about the new translations of the Cobolt press releases? Or the older translator? I'm planning on buying basically all the Cobolt HCs on Black Friday, when they'll hopefully have 15% off or something, it'd be nice knowing they've got extra commentary from the translator.
The new Cobolt ones translated by Björn Wahlberg. They’re fantastic and his attention to detail is incredible.
Picrel is the foreword for Tibet (my favourite). Recommend them wholeheartedly!
He also did the book where he goes into detail about every saying/swear/phrase Haddock ever made, and the challenges that arose when translating them.
Frick, it got flipped. Sorry about that.
Well that's good to hear! Now I'm looking forward to them even more.
>Tibet (my favourite)
That's my favourite as well! It was the only one I owned myself as a kid AND I was always interested in cryptids, so it holds a lot of nostalgia for me.
Great taste, anon
I always really liked how "personal" it felt. For once it was an adventure Tintin set out on for completely selfish reasons, with a goal that everyone told him was impossible to attain, and that foreword I posted really cemented that it's indeed meant to feel like that.
Oh yeah, you could really feel Tintin's emotions about his friend possibly being dead and refusing to listen to everyone. It really made it stand out among the other comics I read at the time like Lucky Luke and Asterix And Obelix because they didn't get that "real".
>That scene where captain Haddock lets a tear out after Tintin finds the teddy bear in the plane crash site
Sublime.
By the way, anyone else here loves The Castafiore Emerald? I love how is just Hergé subverting all the expectations of a Tintin history to deliver a more slice of life take on his characters.
Totally. It's like a Seinfeld episode, lovely stuff.
The Castafiore Emerald or as I know it, that one issue where Herge aims to make Haddock as uncomfortable as possible.
I have Castafiore's song stuck in my head because of the series.
Any scene with Castafiore and Padlock together is comedy, and Emerald gave us a lot of them. also the gypsy girl is cute
changing pants is the biggest character development he has
Tintin is basically a video game protagonist. Zero personality and great at everything. Weirdly, this doesn't make the comics boring.
I think that it's mostly thanks to the fact that Tintin gets paired with a cast of unique characters who in contrast make him stand out for being the most level headed in a bunch of situations.
It also helps that thanks to this, he becomes relatable to the reader who would be also weirded out had he been in the same scenario.
I only knew about Tintin from the 2011 film which I really enjoyed.
I thought it was just based on some foreign newspaper comics didn't know it had a TV show I'll have to check this out
>didn't know it had a TV show I'll have to check this out
keep in mind that there is a Canadian dub and a European dub of the show.
watched the Canadian dub on tv as a kid, so I found it jarring when the show was released on DVD that it had a European dub instead.
Wait there's 2? I'm English but it was obviously Canadians voicing it on the DVDs
There is the DVD collection in the black box, but we bought this blue box set
That's what I have I think. I can't find any mention of this other dub anywhere online. Sounds like you've muddled something up
Nope
https://dubbing.fandom.com/wiki/Herg%C3%A9%27s_Adventures_of_Tintin
Wrong show anon. That one's from the 50s
What do you think of skinny jeans Tintin?
A question: what is the appeal of Tintin to kids? It's a series about grown men getting caught up in crimes and treasure hunting, but the perspective is that of an adult. How did this resonate with children?
Are you asking why kids would read something with adults in?
More about the perspective.
Spongebob is an adult but is childish, and all the adult stuff he does (employment, home ownership) is from a childish point of view, the way a child would play pretend.
Batman TAS would have a similar question, as the Bruce Wayne stuff is all adults talking about adult stuff in a child friendly way. Stuff like marriage, charities, crime. But the Batman stuff is theatrical and exciting that appeals to children.
Tintin however feels very adult despite the chaste hero.
I think you're just demonstrating the decline of children's art. Now a days, people see mild peril in a children's story and go 'OH MY GAWD ITZ FOR KIDS!?!?' Even within a 20 year period it's been noticeable. I read Tintin as a kid. It was funny and full of fun arventures
i remember being a kid and picking up these comic books
some guy does cool stuff. oh no! Something bad is happening, what will he do? He escaped! Oh no something bad is happening again? He escaped it again! Haha thomson and thompson are so silly!
that's it. it's a fun adventure series where we see tintin and friends escape and solve problems, and occasionally goofy stuff happens. it's well paced enough to keep attention from all ages, there's enough danger to keep your attention, and the artwork looks nice.
tintin was put in the big kid's section too, so you felt elite reading for them.
I just liked it. You don't really need a complex reason. It was a fun adventure every issue, the artwork was nice and the characters were memorable
The art is good and there's a lot of slapstick and a dog. You get a series about solving mysteries and beating up criminals. Isn't Enid Blyton's Famous Five sort of like that, too?
>crimes and treasure hunting
That's why I liked it.
You think kids wouldn't gravitate toward perilous, globetrotting adventures? You think an adult main cast will alienate them? Are you hearing yourself right now?
You forgot that children grow out and became adults, right?
Cartoons for children will poorly age and be considered just to maintain attention, while for everyone or +14 cartoons will be always be enjoyable for the eternity.
I used to find boring cartoons like Johnny Bravo and Samurai Jack boring as frick when kid, but when I grow up, finally found it amazing.
>I used to find boring cartoons like Johnny Bravo and Samurai Jack boring as frick when kid, but when I grow up, finally found it amazing.
Oof.
>Tintin is too adult for kids
nobody tells him about Blake & Mortimer.
I'd read those.
Why can't it be real, bros..?
Words can't express the feeling I get from a good fake Tintin cover. It's like those AI screenshots of non-existent movies. A window into another universe.
i've never watched the live action Tintin films, but they literally just found some guy on the beach and decided Jean-Pierre Talbot would be Tintin
I wish I could stand around on the beach, and someone comes along and says I could be Tintin. Who wouldn't wish for that?
They should've made a live action Tintin movie starring Terence Hill and Bud Spencer
They did it with Lucky Luke and it doesn't seem very popular.
Wow, they took casting lessons from me.
Herge...
https://www.artribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/CARICATURE-HERGE-PAR-HERGE.jpg
I really wonder if it's good or bad that this BD have concluded with around 18-19 album books. Thanks to their limited numbers decided to read in a future.
around 20 albums is the best run for a BD. less than 10 means it bombed. more than 30 means it's probably soulless cashgrab, unless all of them were written and drawn over many decades by a single guy.
Wolff's suicide really fricked me up as a kid. I'll never forget it.
A hero in the end.
You can read the comics or watch the cartoon. They're both largely the same. Just note that of the 24 albums, the first 3 are terrible and not a good first impression, being only worth reading if you're completionist who's already in too deep to quit. The last album is also just rough scribbles of a story only 2/3 complete upon the author's death. That leaves 20 stories worth your time, which are also the 20 the cartoon adapts. They also technically did the 3rd one but it's so heavily reimagined it hardly counts.