Wrong. These movies are actually even better than I remember. They're full of joy, creativity, heteronormative behaviours, well-done drama that doesn't detract from the movie's aim of no-strings-attached entertainment. They're absolute belters of blockbuster cinema. As perfect as it's going to get. You outed yourself as a fricking pseud using gay phrases like 'critical depth'.
Basically. The only value of media is the stimuli it brings to the viewer. Mass-media art has no inherent value beyond that. Go huff on your farts somewhere else.
UNTIL THE DAAAAAAAAAAAY
>not disowning the Crow theme and opting for the REAL Tomorrow Never Dies theme by KD Lang
ngmi
Unfortunately, he's right. Barbara was legitimately in love with Daniel Craig and his era was an excuse for her to get him to have an affair but he was married to a big actress and as such she was cucked. She's just some nepo baby, she couldn't be bothered to sit in a room and talk about stuff only men care about (cool stuff meant for teenage boys and men). She turned Bond into a gay soap opera for women.
it's funny you should mention death wish as an idea in the community for years was a Death Wish-style Diamonds Are Forever with Connery's Bond taking out SPECTRE Bronson-style as revenge for Tracy.
I view it as no different than, say, Duran Duran. It's exotic, catchy and indicative of it's time. The bare minimum for a Bond theme is that it's remarkable and catchy. Not the gay shit Craig had where it's some gay, womanly ballad with the Bond cord thrown in there. Pure idiotic drivel. A Bond theme should be pop, rock, whatever as long as it's MEMORABLE. If nothing else, it is memorable and pure 2000's.
A Bond song for me only really counts if it it's melody Is repeated through the score. The song itself isn't very interesting. Not enough orchestra, too much techno, repetitive lyrics. Not against Madonna specifically but it's far from her best.
I secretly liked even as a kid even though I only allowed myself to listen to metal. And I still like it. And the movie is much better than most people say it is. Tbh, the only Brosnan movie beside Goldeye that I've bothered to rewatch.
>tfw James Bond in 2024 would not go around globetrotting, fricking dames and killing goons while stopping a maniacal rich villain but would be sat on his all day in an office posting demoralization props on image forums to piss off lonely young men for a certain ethnic tribe
90s and early 2000s bad is still more fun and enjoyable than 2010s and 20s globohomosexual wokeshit bad so Brosnan wins.
I still think Connery is the undisputed king though when it comes to Bond, as do most people.
I agree with everything, down to Connery being best Bond. But nothing good comes from glorifying mediocrity (or worse), just because the alternative is even shittier. This exact line of thinking is the reason normies believe hacks like Nolan or Villeneuve are the best directors ever.
I also agree, I'm not the anon who was overpraising the Brosnan films earlier but I still think his opinion would be justified if Die Another Day didn't exist.
I like Brosnan because, like everyone else here, he's the most identifiable Bond to my youth. I watched the majority of Bond in the last two years, Brosnan was probably the consistent low point in the entire series. Roger Moore made two duds but every other one he was in was exceptional. GoldenEye barely passes the bar and it's Brosnans best.
I think people are basically right about his last two outings, but I think his long-ass tenure gets completely squashed between the long looming shadow of Connery and the more generationally-recognizable actors from Bonds last two castings. People are more inclined to give Tim Dalton his kudos--which isn't to say it's undeserved--but the Moore Bonds were great.
I feel like the Moore era films and his portrayal of Bond had a distinctive style and he had a long run as Bond which makes him stand out whereas Dalton, Brosnan and Craig all seem to be going for this "modern Bond" kind of thing.
What do you think of the criticisms some had of Moore that he was too preppy and not gritty enough like Connery?
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Pretty impossible to unpack without going down the rabbit hole of mid-century British media and granularly investigating changing ideas about what was masculine or foppish at any given place and time. I don't mean to discount people who have seen the movies but the reputation of Connery is an echo of an echo, and I highly doubt that even 20% of people who have something to say about his Bond tenure have seen more than Goldfinger or From Russia With Love at most, and maybe they haven't even seen those. I do think Connery is great, except I don't think Thunderball or Diamonds Are Forever are as good as the others, and I am semi-mystified on what has given From Russia With Love its special status. I think Goldfinger is the best Connery, but I do like the others. The Moore ones just get that rep for being "silly"--which isn't totally unwarranted. The entire premise of Live and Let Die is a little weird for Bond and they liked their Bufford T Justice character so much they brought him back in the film after it, but then again, you watch something like You Only Live Twice and no matter how cool and great it is, you can't watch it now without thinking "OH, this is like--the Bond that Austin Powers singles out the most". There's really no two consecutive Bonds that are drastically different. They DO course-correct sometimes but it's just the difference of "getting out of line a lil bit" in something like A View to a Kill or Die Another Day vs resetting to something a little more grounded, IE Dalton's tenure or Craigs arrival.
I like Brosnan because, like everyone else here, he's the most identifiable Bond to my youth. I watched the majority of Bond in the last two years, Brosnan was probably the consistent low point in the entire series. Roger Moore made two duds but every other one he was in was exceptional. GoldenEye barely passes the bar and it's Brosnans best.
Tomorrow Never Dies was dangerously ahead of the times.
>((Elliot Carver))
UNTIL THE DAAAAAAAAAAAY
You only say that because he was Bond when you were a kid. You have no critical depth.
Wrong. These movies are actually even better than I remember. They're full of joy, creativity, heteronormative behaviours, well-done drama that doesn't detract from the movie's aim of no-strings-attached entertainment. They're absolute belters of blockbuster cinema. As perfect as it's going to get. You outed yourself as a fricking pseud using gay phrases like 'critical depth'.
>YUMMY!!!! POPCORN GOOD!!!!
Basically. The only value of media is the stimuli it brings to the viewer. Mass-media art has no inherent value beyond that. Go huff on your farts somewhere else.
>not disowning the Crow theme and opting for the REAL Tomorrow Never Dies theme by KD Lang
ngmi
>Brosnan: The Bond for Plebs
Glowing endorsement.
Brosnan is the people's Bond. But I guess Craig's ~~*Bond*~~ is perfect for your basedboy bugman sensibilities.
He says it because he's autistic and has been posting slight variations of the same thread almost every day for months now
so does every other Cinemaphile poster.
Barbara just announced that there will be no Bond for the foreseeable future
>believing women
Get your life together.
Unfortunately, he's right. Barbara was legitimately in love with Daniel Craig and his era was an excuse for her to get him to have an affair but he was married to a big actress and as such she was cucked. She's just some nepo baby, she couldn't be bothered to sit in a room and talk about stuff only men care about (cool stuff meant for teenage boys and men). She turned Bond into a gay soap opera for women.
>the bronson era was the best era of James Bond
I thought that was death wish
it's funny you should mention death wish as an idea in the community for years was a Death Wish-style Diamonds Are Forever with Connery's Bond taking out SPECTRE Bronson-style as revenge for Tracy.
Bond with Giallo style kills would be interesting. Either as a third or fourth film
>Bond with Giallo style kills
So an actual CIA agent aside from putting crack on third world kids?
If they had stuck with Lazenby and Peter Hunt, we could have seen some truly ballsy Bondkino for DAF.
Now that the dust settled, what's your opinion on this song, Cinemaphile?
I view it as no different than, say, Duran Duran. It's exotic, catchy and indicative of it's time. The bare minimum for a Bond theme is that it's remarkable and catchy. Not the gay shit Craig had where it's some gay, womanly ballad with the Bond cord thrown in there. Pure idiotic drivel. A Bond theme should be pop, rock, whatever as long as it's MEMORABLE. If nothing else, it is memorable and pure 2000's.
I like how memorable "Another Way to Die" was for being mixed like shit.
A Bond song for me only really counts if it it's melody Is repeated through the score. The song itself isn't very interesting. Not enough orchestra, too much techno, repetitive lyrics. Not against Madonna specifically but it's far from her best.
I liked the SkyMall song
I secretly liked even as a kid even though I only allowed myself to listen to metal. And I still like it. And the movie is much better than most people say it is. Tbh, the only Brosnan movie beside Goldeye that I've bothered to rewatch.
Imagine if James Bond had to browse Cinemaphile in order to complete a mission. Would be pretty crazy.
>tfw James Bond in 2024 would not go around globetrotting, fricking dames and killing goons while stopping a maniacal rich villain but would be sat on his all day in an office posting demoralization props on image forums to piss off lonely young men for a certain ethnic tribe
Which way, Cinemaphile?
Elektra.
Brosnan was terrible and the films were the worst
It's called being blinded by nostalgia. It's a very mediocre era for Bond.
>Brosnan
>1 good Bond movie
>3 bad Bond movies
>Craig
>1 good Bond movie
>4 bad Bond movies
I mean... I guess 25% is still better than 20%.
90s and early 2000s bad is still more fun and enjoyable than 2010s and 20s globohomosexual wokeshit bad so Brosnan wins.
I still think Connery is the undisputed king though when it comes to Bond, as do most people.
I agree with everything, down to Connery being best Bond. But nothing good comes from glorifying mediocrity (or worse), just because the alternative is even shittier. This exact line of thinking is the reason normies believe hacks like Nolan or Villeneuve are the best directors ever.
I also agree, I'm not the anon who was overpraising the Brosnan films earlier but I still think his opinion would be justified if Die Another Day didn't exist.
>Roger Moore made two duds
Which ones?
I think people are basically right about his last two outings, but I think his long-ass tenure gets completely squashed between the long looming shadow of Connery and the more generationally-recognizable actors from Bonds last two castings. People are more inclined to give Tim Dalton his kudos--which isn't to say it's undeserved--but the Moore Bonds were great.
I feel like the Moore era films and his portrayal of Bond had a distinctive style and he had a long run as Bond which makes him stand out whereas Dalton, Brosnan and Craig all seem to be going for this "modern Bond" kind of thing.
What do you think of the criticisms some had of Moore that he was too preppy and not gritty enough like Connery?
Pretty impossible to unpack without going down the rabbit hole of mid-century British media and granularly investigating changing ideas about what was masculine or foppish at any given place and time. I don't mean to discount people who have seen the movies but the reputation of Connery is an echo of an echo, and I highly doubt that even 20% of people who have something to say about his Bond tenure have seen more than Goldfinger or From Russia With Love at most, and maybe they haven't even seen those. I do think Connery is great, except I don't think Thunderball or Diamonds Are Forever are as good as the others, and I am semi-mystified on what has given From Russia With Love its special status. I think Goldfinger is the best Connery, but I do like the others. The Moore ones just get that rep for being "silly"--which isn't totally unwarranted. The entire premise of Live and Let Die is a little weird for Bond and they liked their Bufford T Justice character so much they brought him back in the film after it, but then again, you watch something like You Only Live Twice and no matter how cool and great it is, you can't watch it now without thinking "OH, this is like--the Bond that Austin Powers singles out the most". There's really no two consecutive Bonds that are drastically different. They DO course-correct sometimes but it's just the difference of "getting out of line a lil bit" in something like A View to a Kill or Die Another Day vs resetting to something a little more grounded, IE Dalton's tenure or Craigs arrival.
There is nothing wrong with TWINE except Denise Richards
I like Brosnan because, like everyone else here, he's the most identifiable Bond to my youth. I watched the majority of Bond in the last two years, Brosnan was probably the consistent low point in the entire series. Roger Moore made two duds but every other one he was in was exceptional. GoldenEye barely passes the bar and it's Brosnans best.
Every single Bond film should get adapted into a Goldeneye N64 ROMhack.