The Chief was a legit God right?
>He immediately knew Miguel and Tulio weren’t Gods but saw they were nice and helpful to the people so he don’t care.
>he uses the phrase “to err is human” which no Aztec would know unless you were God who traveled the world
>single-handedly was holding up a couple ton stone pillar
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>he uses the phrase “to err is human” which no Aztec would know unless you were God who traveled the world
The line was used earlier in the movie so it was a callback to that but now I'm wondering if Chief Tannabok was around for that but I don't want to watch the whole movie again to confirm it
I’m pretty sure either Miguel or Tulio says it directly to him when he apologizes about not being able to immediately meet some elaborate request of theirs.
He was around. They say it to Tzekel-Kan to stop him sacrificing the man during the tribute scene.
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>single-handedly was holding up a couple ton stone pillar
Does he really? Are you sure about this?
Saw a movie a while back and yeah, there were multiple men trying to hold up a stone pillar and failing since it was too heavy for them, but Tannabok singlehandedly stopped it from falling when he stepped in.
I mean he IS built like a stone sacrificial temple.
In no sense was that "single-handed"
>guys are failing to hold it back
>sees dude running for it
>grabs rope
>thing doesn't fall
>dude makes it
>lets go of rope
>thing falls, despite other guys holding it
Everyone else didn't matter.
Everyone else lets go within moments of each other though.
are you retared?
Dude's a powerhouse, but yeah, this isn't even close to him managing some superhuman feat of strength that no mortal man could achieve.
Yes the frick it is.
He's got a couple dozen other guys with him.
Right but that anon said:
>this isn't even close to him managing some superhuman feat of strength that no mortal man could achieve.
Not even all those men together would be able to hold that fricking pillar.
I'm more impressed by the strength of those ropes and the mass imbalance.
Forget muscles. All that stone would weigh literally over a million times more than those people. They'd be flung like pebbles in a slingshot.
I misremembered it, but that's still a ridiculously impressive show of strength, damn.
Yeah, I can sort of get the theory but the way he looks at Miguel at the end there as he flies through makes me think he was just a regular guy who figured out they both weren't gods pretty quickly but also realized how valuable it would be to keep them around. That last look he has makes me think he for a quick moment started to think that maybe there was a little more going on with Miguel and Tulio than he initially thought.
I can hear this scene's music in my head, such a good climax
He may not be a god, but he is a golden man.
No, but the armadillo was.
This. The armadillo running around is what causes the volcano to erupt, and it stopping when Tulio shouts is what causes it to stop, it defies physics during the ball game, and knocks over the drink to give them their final plan in the end.
I've read that in Tumblr months ago.
This is not just a fan theory, either. There were some early plans to actually make him an angel-like figure who was enacting the will of the gods by helping out Miguel and Tulio. Here's the relevant clip from the DVD commentary:
https://vocaroo.com/1aqDIBZPmpki
neat, thanks anon
News flash
Writers underestimate how heavy rocks are
See the infamous boulder punch from Resident Evil 5
Naw, Chris was just that fricking JACKED.
I know he was built like a gorilla in that game but no human as strong as they could be in real life could pull off that feat
Either the boulder's weight was underestimated or Chris simply isn't a normal human being by our standards
Hell, an actual gorilla wouldn't be able to pull it off
It wasn't a boulder, it was a geode. Geodes form around volcanoes
>boulder punch from Resident Evil 5
never heard of it
Basically
>Boulder in the way of the MC
>MC at first tries to push it out of the way
>Doesn't budge
>MC decides to punch it out of the way with the player tapping a button specifically to make him perform a beatdown
>It moves away, basically treated as a heavy refrigerator blocking the hallway
>All this happened on a live volcano
>goddamit Chris, that bolder punching butthole!!
>"Damn it Tulio! Stop having sex with Chel!"
>"No way gay"
That would weigh like roughly 34,000 kg or 75,000 lbs.
Damn I knew Resident Evil was silly but that is just something else.
Okay that was cool.
He could have SO MANY injuries.
But cool.
Could be worse.
If that had the energy to go through 4 skyscrapers, even a glancing blow would burst a body due to hydrostatic pressure.
The ending climax really feels like the writers didn't think things through
>The film establishes that a cure is more than possible
>Chris and Leon: lol, time to kill all these infected people and cause trillions in collateral damage to the city, possibly even a few war crimes
>the "gun-fu" part with Chris and Arias
>the fricked up implications that the infected New Yorkers who were cured are more than likely going to have fricking PTSD from not only being zombified, but also EATING loved ones and total strangers
Death Island, while still stupid at times, at least doesn't have quite as much questionable shit
>wearing 8 inch heels and a skimpy outfit that will flay me alive if i drop on the road, but also a helmet because i care about safety
>All of this and Leon STILL won't frick his sister.
Maybe that's why he wanted his sister to be impregnated by Leon so much.
Yujiro would eat that boulder.
He is occupied being father of the year now that baki beat him.
did he actually beat him yet or are you referring to him handing Baki the strongest title for finally giving him a good fight?
read later
It is technically a stalemate but Baki beat Yujiro on the mental and spiritual side thanks to Imagination, while yujiro won on the physical side, to a point yujiro admitted defeat sicne his son beat him on true terms due to mental strenght, but baki didn't accepted it and he is still stronger than him, and that one day he will defeat him, yujiro keks and accepts it because he saw that baki has potential to be stronger than him and accepts it
I have noticed that this happen too much to japanese franchises. They create something with a very serious tone, and it eventually turns into regular ridiculous anime
In Resident Evil case it was probably it's creators trying to bank on Devil Trigger sucess, that's why Leon turned into superhuman emo Dante style and everybody else got super strenght and speed.
We call it "power creep"
Its not only power creep. I mean, it is, but not only that.
I just saw a clip of this resident evil movie, they are about to face a giant monster, and they all raise their weapons and throw single lines like if they were about to start a final fantasy fight.
resident evil was always silly as frick, you guys just chose to ignore the silly parts up till that point
It didn't had kung fu and super strenght before 4 afair, at least not the regular humans
No, but it was super campy due to the way the early games were directed and acted. RE5 is when the acting started to get more "professional, but by then it was too late to be taken as seriously as the makers were hoping for it to be. It's probably part of the reason for all the remakes, aside from cash grabs, since the remakes are finding a better balance with the absurdity and seriousness
I agree it was campy I'm just saying that the whole extreme kung fu and guns plus Leon having personality and design changes to look like an edgy cool emo punk at a time when Devil Trigger was absolutely dominating the market can't be a coincidence.
Code Veronica Wesker just kinda powercrept the normals, so they had to step up. It was a whole thing. Still, they were already pretty superhuman before, they jsut didn't have the training to really show off. Since RE4, they started being elites.
Frick off revisionist
>Don't OPEN that DOOR
>Whaaaat's that?
>It's a WEAPON.
>Wesker, you're pitiful
Yea.... sure... revisionist... suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure
Not him and I get how Resident Evil was always a b-movie level of horror but how much of that was bad localization?
Not localization, just that the very Japanese writers/directors could only get a certain result due to the language barrier between them and the people they hired to voice the characters. And that most of the actors were just literal whos, several of which either never acted a day in their life, and others who wouldn't do acting ever again. As time has gone on and the language barrier is less of an issue, it's easier to get across more authentic acting and tone
Leon's design from RE4 was apparently a rework of the design that ultimately became Dante, since DMC1 was based on an early prototype about one of Spencer's sons rebelling against his father and using his superhuman powers to fight bioweapons.
>They create something with a very serious tone, and it eventually turns into regular ridiculous anime
Because if a franchise lasts long enough in Japan, it turns into a "lifestyle brand." And you can't market a lifestyle to mindless consumers if it stays gritty and serious all the time. People shit on the west (especially America) all the time for basing one's identity on entertainment and fiction, but the Japanese have it bad on an entirely different level.
And yet people have preferred RE be serious moreso than they have wanted the campy stuff. Plus, the series always had a slight animesque feel to it, what with the way it plays with biology with the viruses, and the early artstyle of the character designs were extremely anime-like before they started using artists with more "realistic" styles
>people have preferred RE be more serious
Ethan in 8 has more one-liners than 1-3 combined, 4 is where the series really took off while Leon spouts off one-liners, and 6 is the biggest flop of the seri3s despite being the most serious since maybe CV
your er is calling the terrible 'cool' shit camp, RE thrives with camp
>master of unlocking, IS THIS CHRIS' BLOOD!?, Jill sandwich, Wesker's reveal having his photo feature the exact shades he's currently using despite the photo being of a laboratory
One-liners hardly make something less serious, especially when the bulk of Village's plot is watching the village go to hell because of the villain's plot. And a game flopping doesn't negate it being serious, but even then RE6 was only somewhat serious since it and RE5 tried to be overly camp like RE4 but more serious like RE2-3
People in the WEST want RE to be like a serious action-horror movie. Japs want it to be like DMC with puzzles.
Punching the bolder is probably the stupidest ting you could do.
I don't think it's possible for anyone to be so sheltered they don't know how heavy rocks are.
Anon, we've had media underestimate how big the moon is
People don't get how dense boulders
The Boulder prefers to be called intellectually challenged, not dense!
The Chief knew they weren’t Gods immediately, but that doesn’t mean he was a God. He was just a leader facing a future power struggle with a religious nutjob and so saw the benefits of keeping these two around
>they turn out to be buttholes, they are exposed and dealt woth, and the nutjob loses sway for buying in so easily towards false prophets
>they turn out to be good guys, he can play along as they are ultimately helping his people, and can help correct some of the rulings the nutjob spouts out that he morally disagrees with like sacrifice
It was Win/Win for him
This is probably the most accurate since you can see from their introduction he doesn't think highly of Tzekel, constantly rolling his eyes or sighing at the shit he says. He doesn't come off as skeptic but he is clearly not buying into the guys antics.
How do we know Chel wasn’t the Incan Goddess of sex?
I haven’t watched the movie but I saw a post a while back saying that the armadillo was the god
i'm reading a lot of words but not seeing any chell ass, Cinemaphile....
Sorry. Here.
Thank you. It's very important.
>could've porked this and never worked another day of his life
Tulio is so lucky..
Idk if he was a god but the man was chill as frick
He was a Saint.
I'm something of a Saint myself.
he wasn't god, because god is a c**t
>facts
MY CREW
WAS AS CAREFULLY CHOSEN AS THE DISCIPLES OF CHRIST
AND I WILL NOT
TOLERATE
STOWAWAYS
I loved this portrayal of Cortez.
It’s the perfect way to use an overarching antagonist. We get just enough of him to see why he’s scary, but not too much where you don’t feel like he’s a threat or beatable.
Yea, it was nice that they didn't treat him like Ratcliffe in Pochahontas. While Miguel and Tulio don't really mention it, we can assume they're fine with Cortes going onto to conquer whatever places he does find, they just wanted to protect El Dorado since they knew and cared about the people there
I would say Cortez was treated less like a villain and more of a force of nature. He was so terrifying that there’s no guarantee beating him, simply redirecting him. At least Tzekel had one monster, Cortez had a professional army with (at the time) high tech weapons.
So he was planning on someone to betray him?
Could he best Yujiro Hanma in a fight?
>El Dorado was considered a meh release by the Disney wannabe studio at the time
>it's still more beautiful, striking, and memorable than any animated movie in the last 15 years (except maybe Klaus)
That's the main issue with Rotten Tomatoes, critics are usually competent enough but sometimes they go through mass hysteria due to being a circlejerk and autistically hate something for a decade or so until a few unbiased critics write a detailed argument to debunk their bullshit
Both El Dorado and Emperor's new groove bombed because nowadays we see that the 3d fever was a mistake and the reason of why the 3d movie industry is a shitshow.
El Dorado has always been woefully underrated. It’s a great movie.
If you HAD to make me find a flaw, the panther monster and the volcano were a little too out there. Otherwise I think it’s a brilliant movie.
To be fair, they seemed committed to the idea that gods legit made the city, so the priest being able to pull that off doesn't seem too out there. But I guess it would have been more interesting had he started with smaller feats of magic, like using smaller stone minions or other spells before the panther. It also would have probably helped having him be shown losing all of his paints when he's swept out of the city, and thus explaining why he didn't just pull something on Cortes or his crew to get away from them
>To be fair, they seemed committed to the idea that gods legit made the city
Not really. They simply told us the legend.
The fact that magic exists clearly means gods exist, they just either didn't want to show up yet, or as some fans have theorized, Miguel and Tulio were meant to be representative of them in some way.
>magic exists clearly means gods exist
No? Why would that follow?
Because it means the supernatural exists
It literally does
Why would a supernatural force automatically mean that divine entities exist?
Why would magic existing mean gods can't exist whatsoever? Two can play at this game
You're not playing. You're just making toilet paper thin arguments.
I'm not saying they couldn't. But magic and an immortal consciousnesses that exists beyond human comprehension are not fundamentally linked.
In the real world, gravity, electricity, and the nuclear forces exist, but there's nothing guaranteeing that we would exist.
>toilet paper thin arguments
>says the guy who doesn't even provide any reason for why the gods can't exist
He's not arguing at all that the gods can't exist. He's simply pointing out that the existence of magic in-universe does not necessarily indicate that they do exist. He makes a logically consistent argument.
The existence of magic does indeed indicate that the supernatural exists, but it does not guarantee that supernatural, personal agents exist in the manner that natives in the movie acknowledge and worship. Plausible, perhaps, but not guaranteed.
And me stating that supernatural can mean the gods might exist is also a fricking goddamn logical argument.
Not necessarily.
>The fact that magic exists clearly means gods exist
Not really the same as "supernatural can mean the gods might exist."
It literally does
No, the first one is stating that magic/the supernatural existing means that gods automatically also exists.
The other one simply says that it's opens it up as a possibility, but does not draw any conclusions.
Name a single time in media where magic was a thing and gods were confirmed to be completely nonexistent. And I don't just mean absent, but directly confirmed as never also being a thing. If there's magic, there's more than likely fricking gods, deal with it.
>If there's magic, there's more than likely fricking gods
But not necessarily.
First Law
Earthsea
The former statement asserts certainty, while the latter merely suggests plausibility. They are not the same argument.
All squares are rectangles. Not all rectangles are squares, but a given rectangle may or may not be a square.
Keep telling yourself that
I'm just quoting Euclid's Elements, Anon.
The only flaw is they never explain or acknowledge the Doradans speaking perfect Spanish.
>to err is human
So don't be one
post chel
is it time?
I like that they made Chel so expressive. I hate when they have a character like her and she's mute with emotion.
>Aztec
There be your burger education.
he was just as fooled as the rest. he competes for the false gods attention just as much as the skinny fricker did and would try to appease them too. the scene where it's made to look like he knew was just the result of shit writing. the whole movie is a mess, watch it again if you don't believe me
He clearly knew before that scene, he even realized it before the priest.
He clearly was aware they weren’t gods way before anyone else. The reason he wanted to appease them and keep them in El Dorado was because they went against Tzekel’s obsession with sacrifice and barbaric methods. To him, it was worth pretending they’re gods because it meant reforming the city and removing the traditions Tzekel wanted to keep.
not everything have to be a lame plot twist
No, he was just extremely intelligent and perceptive.
>He immediately knew Miguel and Tulio weren’t Gods but saw they were nice and helpful to the people so he don’t care.
That’s because he was smart, smarter than Tzekel, but with that came wisdom. From the get go he wanted the old ways gone, he makes it clear, and the protags were his ticket.
>he uses the phrase “to err is human” which no Aztec would know unless you were God who traveled the world
Protags said it earlier. He was calling it back in a way that wouldn’t alarm anyone around.
>single-handedly was holding up a couple ton stone pillar
Cartoon physics along with him being insanely strong, which I’m pretty sure you’re supposed to assume anyways.
This. The fricking horse jumped off a goddamn boat and then got hauled onto a smaller boat by just TWO guys. Not only would the horse have probably sunk like a boulder falling into the ocean, a real horse would have probably drowned almost right away from sheer panic. And if by some miracle it wasn't, it would taken more than just two men to get it onto a rowboat, which itself wouldn't be able to handle an animal that, on average, weighs a ton.
And that's not even getting into how Altivo was intelligent enough to understand everything Miguel and Tulio said
Horses can actually swim, but yeah loading it onto the rowboat itself is another matter.
Passable film, but it's no Antz or Shrek 1.
They sure didn't think it was necessary to include any sort of information about Tulio, Miguel and Chel. The viewer never finds out anything about them.
We see their personalities and relationships to one another. Why do we need a roadmap of their backstories?
We get just enough to see how they play off each other, and presumably if sequels had been maid much like the "Road to" films from way back, we would have gotten bits and pieces about their lives and how they've grown as a group
Chel was a bascially the village prostitute
everyone knows about the scene when she was giving a blowjob, that was obviously not her first time she sucked dicks for a living
Yes
One of the best things about Shrek is that it caused Dreamworks to abandon 2D films. I'm grateful for that.
Quiet.
Shit taste.
We don't need more shit like the Sinbad film.
As a film, El Dorado is too simplistic and hollow. It could've used a scene like this.
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It wasn’t hollow at all. We don’t need they’re backgrounds to care about the characters, we see them do heroic deeds even when it’s a detriment to them, and we see how their relationships unfold during the course of the movie. There’s nothing “hollow” about that.
The movie is a sendoff of 50s musical comedies. It's not supposed to be moody or introspective, it's supposed to be a fun adventure.
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>The Road to El Dorado
>Titan A.E
>Osmosis Jones
>Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas
Box office failures aimed exclusively at boys. Why did they flop? Because of script/story issues.
Because they were trying to compete with Star Wars
>He immediately knew Miguel and Tulio weren’t Gods but saw they were nice and helpful to the people so he don’t care
>religion if Le Tool to control le people
dammit this shit movie was an atheist propaganda slop after all
ok it's time to fap to chel
DreamWorks was so lucky that this film turned out a blockbuster in 2001.
Shame the third and fourth movies were so lackluster. Can only wonder if the fifth movie might be able to close things out better
This film should've been scrapped.
It's a sin how bad this movie is.
I would say those CG monsters aged badly but that would mean they were ever good
would've made a better tv series
It’s sad because 7th Voyage was one of my favorite movies growing up, but DW’s sinbad looked so generic.
>Tulio, Miguel, Chel, Altivo, Tzekel-Kan, Chief Tannabok, Cortes, armadillo
OK cast of characters
???
>head of story: Jennifer Yuh Nelson
No wonder this film sucks
Maybe he was just insightful, anon.
Is this a real figure I can buy?
Imma be 100% with you guys. Chel is still sexier in the movie than any porn featuring her.
James Baxteeeeeeeeeeeeer!
Just watched Joseph: King of Dreams. I think i like it better than Prince of Egypt, despite the inferior animation.
Antz and Shrek 1 >>>> Prince of Egypt, El Dorado, Joseph, Spirit and Sinbad.