>Director Nia DaCosta envisioned the movie as a campy space adventure in the vein of a Saturday morning cartoon, but after negative test-screenings and the poor critical and commercial performance of ANT-MAN AND THE WASP: QUANTUMANIA, Marvel ordered reshoots to minimize the goofier elements of the plot, such as the musical planet Aladna, and add more action scenes and stronger ties to the overarching Multiverse storyline. DaCosta decried the reshoots as creatively stifling, abandoned production before they were finished, and labeled THE MARVELS “a Kevin Feige movie” during the promotional tour. Marvel Studios, in turn, attributed the movie’s poor reception on the lack of oversight during the pandemic-era production, which many took as an attempt to blame on DaCosta. Once an alleged contender to helm AVENGERS 5, she is now unlikely to ever work with the studio again.
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Jokes on them. She is the highest grossing black female director of all time. She is HISTORIC!
so you're saying she lost the least money of all other black female directors?
she directed the highest grossing movie by black female, the biggest bomb ever
she grossed out millions
Heckin HERstory
Competency Crisis
The competent people aren't allowed to work though...
They worked in Dune
What did they do? Unclog toiilets? because it surely didnt show in the movie.
well they had a whole superhero team of several people nobody wanted to see
you can't just add poopoo, peepee, and farts together and pretend it's delicious
Disney was right here. That singing planet shit was so insufferable. Honestly the movie wasn't thaaaat bad compared to other Marvel films. Dust bin was just an awful villain. Brie and the girl looked cute they should have sexed them up more.
Every film and TV show made in America should have a studio-appointed Anti-Musical Officer who's sole role is to sit in at every stage of writing and production so they can step forward the moment any of these raging heaving crusty homosexual ex-theatre kid shits suggests a "musical sequence/episode" or "scenes inspired by Bollywood cinema" or anything remotely in that vein and say
>No, frick off, make what you were paid to make and restrict your poofery to starring in your friend's off-off-off-off-off-off-Broadway production of hip-hop Shakespeare, you hackfraud c**ts
I don't know why this specific form of "I wanted to make X but nobody wants to watch that, so I'll trojan horse it into things people do want to see" is excused by so many who would otherwise be pant-shittingly outraged if it were homosexual politics or shitty "stylistic" wanking.
>Honestly the movie wasn't thaaaat bad compared to other Marvel films.
Shut the hell up.
Disney is fundamentally incapable of making content that appeals to men. The entire point of acquiring Star Wars and Marvel was to attract the male demographic. Like a fricking alcoholic falling off the wagon it was only a matter of time before they returned to their baseline tendencies
The singing planet was already extremely shit with what they had, and the director wanted that shit to go on for longer?
brie looked cute in that part of the movie though
honestly there should've been more girls in cute pjs and socks on the ship bonding
brie a cute! cute!!
a 36 year old woman can't be cute
she can either be beautiful or haggard
cuteness stops at 18
I liked The Marvels.
Not sure why people sign on to do BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION MOVIE and then act surprised when the studio meddles every step of the way. Indie flicks exist for directors with actual passion you know.
Everyone thinks they're the exception to the rule and then they find out they're no that special.
Rarely do people get to be James Gunn with total free reign
they're usually picking newer directors with little experience for these marvel movies. They're all in over their head and they don't know it until post production. Big boy directors wouldn't even consider signing on for one of these shits
based sam raimi agreeing to dish out a revolting turd
>be indie director
>Disney comes to you and drops millions of dollars in cash on your lap with promises you can make a movie your way
Find me anyone who would say "no"
>Find me anyone who would say "no"
People with self-awareness. Some roles and movies are just IQ test. If someone comes to you to play in sequel to Schwarzenegger movie or to make sequel to Kubrick movie, you need to either golden prodigy, have IQ above 80 to refuse or be self-serving with iron nerves to take money and spend rest of your life telling people to suck your dick.
Or maybe you just really want to be able to send your kids to college
Or pay off your mortgage
That was the third part, the self-serving one. It has consequences.
>Some roles and movies are just IQ test.
>If someone comes to you to play in sequel to Schwarzenegger movie or to make sequel to Kubrick movie, you need to either golden prodigy, have IQ above 80 to refuse or be self-serving with iron nerves to take money and spend rest of your life telling people to suck your dick.
GOOD MORNING SAAR
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What native language begets a man to have such an astoundingly shitty writing style in English? Aside from the lack of indefinite articles, the grammar is fine, yet I have no fricking idea what you're he's trying to say.
I didn't even notice until you said it, I was autofilling. In closer look however: Jesus Christ.
Don't take The Lord's name in vain you gay
>begets a man to have such an astoundingly shitty writing style in English?
Mainly not giving an shit.
there's been a number of them already
>They may have told Kenneth Branagh to suck their nuts like the slave he is. But it won't be like that with me, Unknown Black person 12.
They did it to Letterier, Fraveau, Branagh and Joe Johnston. Even Chloé Zhao complained about the meddling and b***h have an Oscar. Nia DaCosta best rated movie is that awful Candyman remake, and besides that and the Marvels she only did some dumb indie drama with Lily James and that Valkyrie b***h.
#ReleaseTheDaCostaCut
#ReleaseDaDaCostaCut
Dem WYBOID DONE RUIN MA MOVIE!!!!! FRICKING HITLER WHITE SUPREMACIST LOOKING ASS.
Is this bill burr's wife?
No. Da Costa is actually somehwat attractive. Burr's wife is absolutely hideous
>Once an alleged contender to helm AVENGERS 5
Why?
The assupmtion was, thay she would become a director of a billion dollar movie with the Marvels. Imagine the market value of that for Disney: the 1st ever female black director of a billion dollar movie.
Well, Disney has certainly helped black directors have the two highest grossing movies of all time while having two of the biggest box office bombs of all time. Disney is making strides in the equity front.
black excellence
this is Marvel and Disneys fault
they signed off on her vision for the film, they knew what was in the script and what was being filmed
then they panicked at the test audience reaction and tried to redo it
if you agree to a builders plan and then say you dont like the finished job that matches what you were shown in the plan who is to blame?
Let's be real here, they already had a script approved by a ~~*committee*~~, board of investors all trying to get their gay little ideas they came up with on the spot in, and an AI that ran some tests to maximize the best flavoring to put in their slop for mass consumption. They merely needed a DEI director for publicity.
the man with the money gets to call the shots
always has been that way
simple as
The fact of the matter is that the MCU went to complete shit when Feige no longer had to report directly to Ike Perlmutter and Ike's creative council who oversaw creative details and ensured they aligned with the comics and Marvel (instead of Disney).
But nope, Feige complained because Perlmutter was too committed to keeping the integrity of the films and was against DEI. So Feige pulled some strings, sidelined Perlmutter and would only report directly to Disney instead of Ike.
This all happened at the end of 2015, with all projects that would release well into 2019 already in production.
Guess what movies Perlmutter and his creative council had no input on?
Why do people who hate comics keep making comic book movies, it has to be someone's sick twisted sexual fetish and humiliation ritual at this point, nothing makes sense, why would you let people make lame crap when there are easily copied story lines people liked just sitting there on a silver platter for you to pull from if you just gave it a tiny bit of respect to the source material and cared about making money
It really feels like we're in some communist dystopia being fed a constant stream of demoralizing man hating propaganda, meant to be so bad we end up wanting to kill ourselves
it's even worse than communism because people willingly pay for the propaganda, rather than it being state mandated
>Why do people who hate comics keep making comic book movies
There is a pic somewhere with Anita Sarkasian or the Witchers writers saying something like "I never gave a frick about the games/books, I just saw this as an opportunity for cultural change". Basically, frick you, I want to shove my feminist fanfic into something popular.
The artist here was was incredibly kind to reva
>Why do people who hate comics keep making comic book movies?
Comic book movies (used to) sell well, so it's the perfect product if you want to show your moronic ideas into a big crowd.
It's not that hard. Leftists want to push certain cultural messages but if they do it in stand alone movies, those movies generally bomb so they have to attach them to big IPs. The issue for them is we are running out of IPs for them to infect. The fact that they have to go after Warhammer means they are at the bottom of the barrel
It's so fricking ironic that a zionist Israeli named Pearlmutter was just a normal businessman who wanted comics adapted for profit while crpto-israelite Kevin homosexual ended up being a full on israeli cultural warfare hatred of beauty living argument for Aushwitz. What fricking happened in his life that made him hate gentiles that much that he'd rather lose millions of sheckles than cast hot women and put the, in sexy costumes? How does a creature like this come into being?
Talking to you would do it, typically.
>Leave pederast Kevin alone
Cope, nonce.
genital mutilation on infants is a hell of a dice roll. some lose not a lot and turn out okay, some get skinned almost entirely and turn mean and weird
Because Ike is older and cares about the money, Kevin is younger and cares about social media.
Younger people are far more susceptible to propaganda thanks to social media.
>On June 30, 2016, Laura Perlmutter donated $449,400 to a PAC supporting Donald Trump, and later was part of Trump's Inauguration committee.
ah, so thats why they canned him
It was amazing how EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE about Perlmutter's departure cited the exact same things about him being a cheap curmudgeon we should be glad was ousted. Made it wholly transparent what the game was.
>Perlmutter
Is he considered a good israelite? He wants to make money and he hates woke shit which kinda goes against the normal israelite narrative
Yes, he's a penny pinching israelite to an almost cartoony degree but he hates woke shit.
>DaCosta decried the reshoots as creatively stifling
How can a director be so ignorant of the MCU flameouts when they're part of the MCU themselves? The "it isn't really your movie" thing has been known since at least the first Antman.
They sweet-talk them and promise them and then drive a dump-truck full of money to their houses.
Isnt that the norm for rich, stupid as frick execs?
>throw moderate amounts of cash at no name DEI types
you seem to think these c**ts aren't just cashing in and hoping they win the lottery and get a career
comicbooks are dumb and superheros are fricking boring
that's my shit!
This sound like whoever wrote this is trying to save face for the director. Since this has no source I'll assume it's bullshit.
But it's very common for directors, Hollywood journalist, or whomever to go:
"No no no, you see the movie was going to be great but those damn suits came barging in chomping on cigars and told me us to change it."
>Director Nia DaCosta envisioned the movie as a campy space adventure in the vein of a Saturday morning cartoon, but after negative test-screenings
Look, I don't like Feige's fingerprints all over Marvel flicks and "Marvel formula" as much as anyone else, but sad reality is that people often overlook that the "Marvel formula" is sometimes a shoddy attempt at tard wrangling to be honest. Too many people act like Marvel completely restricts freedom of creators they hire, but then shit like this happens and I kind of get why it would be a thing. I am not saying Marlel or Feige are blameless, they hired Nia DaCosta and tried to roll with her ideas, I am saying people don't blame Nia being a hack enough.
I don't understand why they don't just hire proven hired guns who will do whatever the frick you want and deliver on time no drama no bullshit. Is it really just the fact that 9.5 out of 10 of those guys are white males?
It really is.
>dindu nuffin
>it da white man fault
It's simple, nobody actually cares about any of the leads of this movie. It was Captain Marvel, a boring character played by a weirdo who looks crazy in interviews, and two literally fricking whos.
Disney tricked everyone into going to see the original Captain Marvel by making it seem like it was essential for Endgame, and then for some reason they forgot that they did that and deluded themselves into thinking Captain Marvel was popular or a massive draw.
The fact that the movie probably sucked is irrelevant, fundamentally it was a movie nobody asked for or wanted.
>campy space adventure in the vein of a Saturday morning cartoon
man i would've loved that. tmnt 87 turned out to be surprisingly watchable again
>Kevin Feige helmed the franchise which grossed $30 billion.
>Literal who director who got extremely lucky to make the MCU movie.
Wokes will blame racism and sexism.
all of these blames and yet no one is just making a good movie
Trashing his movie didn’t work out so well for Josh Trank.
Who are you quoting
They will do anything to divert blame away from their diversity hires
Don't abandon Brie.
DEI Director
To have a musical segment, you need your characters to be well liked by the audience before that event, so if the whole thing fails, at least there's still good faith in the production, and also, because it creates an anticipation of that event, like in certain tv shows, where there's a musical episode worked as a gimmick.
For the marvels it simply was a terrible idea to begin with, but the entire movie was a problem in itself too
b***h fricking moved to London before Post Production began. Had a white male director done that, we'd never hear the end of it. Look at Josh Trank.
Say what u want about Brie, but she's hot enough to carry the film. They just insist on making her not sexy.
She’s aging rapidly, they need to make her naked in the next film before she ages like elizabeth olsen and becomes wrinkly
no actor in the world could've saved this heap
Das rite white boi, you never be a black queen slayin.
Idk what's funnier, Marvel knowing they had a flop with "The Marvels" or Marvel not knowing they had a flop with "Quantumania".
The fix is easy: just ask impartial fans what they want to see in a MCU film.
>DaCosta decried the reshoots as creatively stifling
I am obviously against Disney's corporate direction setup but if your career highlight to date is a Candyman sequel then you can't honestly expect to be given full creative control of a $200 million tentpole blockbuster. It's not the way it should be but it's the way it is and if that's you and you walk into that situation you can't turn around and act surprised.
It almost feels like they did give her full control to begin with. But after seeing the disaster that was already filmed, decided to intervene. This is around the time that Marvel higher ups said the problem was that Marvel Creative wasn't working closely enough with these projects.
The Marvels was always destined to be a shitshow because they care more about "THE MESSAGE" than making a good movie.
>dacosta da studio hundreds of millions
>and stronger ties to the overarching Multiverse storyline.
Why would those morons do that AFTER Ant-Man bombed? They should have cut connections to the multiverse shit, not added more.
>creatively stifling
>civilization apparently manages to live just fine on a planet without water, an atmosphere and sunlight
>villain's goal is to steal water, an atmosphere and sunlight from other planets
>they really need those
>trust me bro
>turns out Brie can just punch Hala's star to fix everything
>but only after 3 hours minutes of jobbing to mooks, teaming up with literally whos and some musical score on planet gayness
Reminder Brie larson pushed Kevin feige to put the paki and the black woman for the marvels, this dumb director is just doing what she is told
They were already shoving Kamala in the Avengers game and making her more relevant in the comics. The plan was always there to include her.
the most hilarious part is that Disney wouldn't commit to a paki Kamala, and she is instead a Hindi street shitter to not make their israeli overlords angry
>she is instead a Hindi street shitter to not make their israeli overlords angry
? Kamala is a muslim in the show, she prays etc
Kamala was shoved everywhere and is a mandatory character even though EVERYTHING she is in it flops (comics,games movie) and she will lead Marvel Zombies
I more or less understand the importance of capturing some of these foreign markets but why not make a movie for them, hell even contract with their studios and actors and shit? This idea that one film is representative of everyone is never gonna work but their cross promotional strategy mandates it more or less
They're not actually making an attempt to capture foreign markets. The diversity and inclusion tactic is only meant to appease white liberal americans and israelites. You can't possibly believe a movie like Shang Chi was intended to capture the Chinese audience. You would be ignorant to think that.
You're right I don't think that's their goal but I think it should be. But then when they release avengers 10 it's a tough sale to bring in chink and Indian properties Americans don't know or Americans the asiatics don't know
They ((tried)) to launch Kamala as this muslim superhero, and capture her life as an immigrant from new jersey but audiences rejected it, hell even Pakis themselves didn't give a frick (ms.marvel was released there on theaters for sometime) the problem is marvel keep forcing the inclusion, nobody cared about her? Ok move on. But no they keep shoving her down people's throats.
Kamala is (or was) the self-insert of a Paki Marvel exec. That's why she was pushed so heavily across all media despite having no real fanbase.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sana_Amanat
When was she pushed. I've never heard of her until she was in the movie with Brie Larson delicious boobies
>When was she pushed.
She's been heavily reworked and pushed in the comics, they killed her and made her an Avenger and a mutant. She is also the protagonist of that AAA Avengers game that flopped and got her own show. Since nobody read comics, play shitty games or watch lame TV shows, I don't blame you for not knowing.
Aren't they all Avengers?
Sorry I dont read comics or play video games. But isn't she a a good superhero? Why wouldn't she be an avenger? Isn't that what the marvel superheroes are?
In the same way that all government employees are fire fighters.
So what makes a marvel superhero an avenger?
>So what makes a marvel superhero an avenger?
In the comics, being accepted by the Avengers. Original team was Iron Man, Ant-Man, Wasp, Hulk and Thor. Shortly after Captain America, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Scarlett Witch and Vision became regulars (Cap and Hawkeye are considered honorary founders since they been there forever). To be an Avenger both in comics and the MCU you got be recruited into the team but the other heroes. Sometimes they are connected to Shield or the government, but you know rectons and shit.
The point is, since they are veterans they only recruit people they can trust. They deal with the worst shit possible, not burglers but cosmic entities and world invasions. They don't trust other veterans like Spider-Man because they don't think he is very reliable, but then they go and hire... Muslim girl and her power fists? And then she dies and the whole Marvel universe mourns her as if Stan Lee died? And then she comes back as this super ultra badass X-People? You know that they are trying to push a character when they don't sell but appear everywhere. Same with Captain Marvel, nobody cares about her, all her comics flopped. She was rebooted like 5 times in 10 years, her comics can't reach the #10 before being cancelled due to poor sales.
So the Avengers are like the A team of Marvel heroes who deal with the most significant threats?
Basically yes, the Avengers getting called in generally means shit is fricked
Indeed. They are the most powerfull/skilled/experienced and deal with the worst threats, also they keep an eye on new superheroes and even train them sometimes. But when something really big happens, they step in and tell everyone else to frick off, SPECIALLY young super heroes. To think Kamala "big hands" Harris is fighting with The Avengers doesn't fit the team.
But to be honest I stopped reading this shit 25 years ago, this was silly even when I was a teenager, I only read comics because I had nothing better to do. Today I only know what's happening because some of my friends still read this shit, but they are all bonafide autistic chuds, and they hate every comic they read, they only keep going because the autism is too strong.
>they only keep going because the autism is too strong
Anon are your friends literally me?
The Avengers are a specific team of heroes, they're the S-list guys (compare the Justice League in DC) that selectively chooses members. You're only on the team if you're the best of the best or if the writer is a fanboy and crowbars you in. It's like the difference between, say, being a regular solider and being in the Marines or Green Berets
I like the idea of having a couple mainstays and giving different newer heroes a chance to bounce off them. See who has staying power, who clicks with them. That's pretty smart
Avengers are the top tier. They sometimes have more than one team but the main one only has seasoned heroes (Cap. America, Iron Man, Hulk, Wolverine, etc.). Kamala is a teenager hero and overall goofballl, her power is that she can extend her arms and make big fists. That's it. It's so lame they gave her new powers in the MCU. To make a comparison, Spider-Man is basically a intern to this day, but Kamala became an Avenger instantly. Also most fans don't hate her but she's not that popular.
She should be a good superhero, unfortunately she is written by a bitter progressive, so she sounds like a sociopath. It's the same case as with Iron Heart.
I mean good in the sense of heroes and villains. She is a hero, a good guy, etc
She was the star of a shortlived animated franchise called Marvel Rising. Had her own TV show. Was the co-lead of a major movie. Was the star of an expensive Avengers video game.
All for a character that wasn't even a decade old when this push started and hasn't been particularly popular.
She practices Islam as a religion, but she is a poo in the show, hell the whole plot was
>British LE BAD, they killed indians and shit
DeCosta? More like DaCosting you $2,700,000 dollars.
The singing planet lasting for longer would have been utter cancer on the screen.
The only film that ever did forced singing well was The Mask.
>The reason for the confusion is that many users have tried to use the film's financial performance to win culture war arguments, accusing Wikipedia of having a political agenda. There's a reason we've waited a while to confirm these numbers. I'm not opposed to adding it myself, though we should hear from other users first before adding it. Harryhenry1 (talk) 07:19, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
>accusing Wikipedia of having a political agenda
Wikipedia is absolutely impartial chuds, shut it.
This is actually pretty tame. I heard everywhere that all the leads hated each other, Brie was pissed because her solo movie became a team flick and they all argued about the script daily.
>Brie was pissed because her solo movie became a team flick
I do believe this, regardless of her personality, this is an attack on the marketability of the lead star. If you are main star and you get demoted (because that IS how every casting agent will see it) to team play, that is actual reason to be angry.
Not only demoted, the Rambeau family got an arc, she didn't. It's Rambeau meeting the Beast and the X-Men in the post-credits scene, not Carol. Also both actress that play them are fricking awful, specially the mom (picrel). This b***h looks like she's always pissed at everyone and smelling shit.
>This b***h looks like she's always pissed at everyone and smelling shit
Black folk smell like shit constantly because they sweat shit particulates and they don't know how to wipe so she's smelling herself of course shes mad haven't you read the Dante from DMC copypasta?
>you read the Dante from DMC copypasta?
Nope, share if you please. But I read that one scientific study prooving that Black folk indeed have the worst smell among all people because they produce the same kind particles you find in shit and piss in their sweat.
Yup. She follows Joey's advice.
I forgot to add that not only did Larson got shoved into team up, she got shoved into a team up with nobody television actors. That is 100% damaging to her.
Brie wanted the all women team up movie you morons, i'm pretty sure she literally said it in an interview
Yeah, sure. Just like they wanted the all female Ghostbusters to flop.
Rogue One has a female protagonist, female and black X-wing pilots but it was made by people who loved and respected the source material. Which is why it’s good and has the best space and ground SW battles. Gareth Edwards is based.
>Gareth Edwards is based
Don't know about that movie suffered heavy reshots. If you go and watch the trailer right now you can see most scenes in the trailer are not in the movie. It was a miracle that shit worked at all, but indeed it's a fun movie and the only nice thing Disney did with Star Wars (creepy CGI Leia/Tarkin and all).
Yes, but not in her movie, moron. She wanted the female avengers.
Gotta love those "random" uses of quote marks.
>Complains about it being "a Kevin Feige movie"
Sounds like a skill issue
What are the best kevin feige movies?
Reminder that Iron Man was a fluke.
>but after negative test-screenings and the poor critical and commercial performance of ANT-MAN AND THE WASP: QUANTUMANIA, Marvel ordered reshoots to [...] add more action scenes and stronger ties to the overarching Multiverse storyline.
How the frick is that the takeaway marvel had at the failure of Quantumania? Nobody gave a shit about the multiverse storyline.
Marvel is still drunk off their glory days Avengers run. Just blind to the fact that you can't build another 10+ year billion dollar box off run off C and D list heroes. I still think a lot of these films would be fine if they were just tailored around being a single one off film with a closed story line.
Most of all when when the film sort of thuds at the box office and you don't get more anyways.
It worked with the GotG.
>Once an alleged contender to helm AVENGERS 5, she is now unlikely to ever work with the studio again.
I mean, she is responsible for the biggest box office bomb of all time
She's innocent.
Imagine working with this haughty beast, it's amazing that it didn't end up shelved forever like batwoman.
The agony of de feet!
It's been like 15+ years of capeshit fatigue.The movie is lead by characters no one gives a shit about. Did they actually think this wasn't going to flop?
>Did they actually think this wasn't going to flop?
Make her wear the right suit and the next movie will make billions.
Brie specifically asked not to wear skimpy costumes for Captain Marvel and Feige duly obliged.
So did Liz Olsen. Women rights were a mistake.