>the most moronic character is actually the smartest
A little bit tired of this gimmick
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>the most retarded character is actually the smartest
>the most moronic character is actually the smartest
A little bit tired of this gimmick
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>actually the smartest
Why do you think he was laughing the whole time even as he died?
>Smarter than Ozymandias or Dr. Manhattan
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Yeah he caught onto their plan before anybody else even had any idea that something was up
By Pure chance, though
He was sent by the feds to investigate one of veidt's bases.
He found the plan to kill millions to unite everyone and agreed it would work, so he didn't report it.
Both intentional moves.
he was on an unrelated mission
I forget how they explained it in the movie but in the comic he was flying back from some mission and saw activity in an uncharted island and went to investigate thinking he'd stumble upon some sandinista operation.
Not by chance. The comedian understood human nature and wasn't fooled by any big brain plans for world peace.
The motif of the fool being the most insightful character of the story dates back to Elizabethan drama. The fool, clown, or in this case the comedian. The character couldn't be more transparent.
>The motif of the fool being the most insightful character of the story dates back to Elizabethan drama
but he isn't actually a fool though. he is a very competent and dangerous character.
I'm familiar with the archetype, but I'm not seeing it here.
>called the comedian
>depicted as a guy who never too superheroing seriously
>all his scenes are about his shortcomings, mainly the fact that his absurdist outlook was his justification for acting like an animal
"Fool" doesn't mean idiot in this context, it means jester, aka comedian.
Watchmen is a meta-story about comic book characters and iconography, I think the comedian is also there to represent the edgier, self aware characters that teens flock to, like deadpool.
Why was the comedian the one who cracked the case? because he had an absurdist perspective, and Ozy's plan was absurd in its conception.
It's possible for a less smart person to see through the lies of a smarter person.
I should have said wisest.
Obviously he doesn't have the highest iq. Although this
still applies
could you explain the difference without semantics? i don't actually think you can.
>Could you explain the difference between words with similar meanings without getting into exact definitions?
No. But to try to explain anyway, intelligence is knowing a lot of things; wisdom is understanding a lot of things. The mad scientist character in pulp sci-fi is an extreme example of high int, low wis because he knows all this physics crap but can't see how building a mutant killer robot bomb might not work out best for everyone. High wis low int would be more like the Comedian, he sees the world as it is but he doesn't do advanced math in his head.
int/wis is a dumb d&d concept.
if it was a useful and meaningful distinction it would be applied in psychological and sociological research.
>the intelligence/wisdom distinction came from fricking d&d
Just shut the frick up you ignorant Black person
the way that anon described the distinction is how it is used in d&d, not how it's used in literature.
b***h that shit comes from Plato
This, ladies and gentlemen, is the dunning krueger effect.
He's probably a psychology student fresh off the farm, or an amateur doing research through googling shit. Thing is he's only just begun and thinks he's hot shit because he learned like two things.
Just remember that "morons don't know they're morons" is only half of what it means. It also means that those of high capacity in a subject are unable to see that they are of high capacity. At its core it's about our inability to judge our own skill at something. Because the more you know about a subject, the more you know what you don't know about it, creating an illusion that you know less than you think you know.
Yep, definitely. He's not even close to there yet.
but official psychology believes that trannies are real and that race and IQ is absurd. youre just doing appeal to authority head in the sand shit. anon is dropping some knowledge on your and youre purposely acting all fricking stupid
I'm not making an appeal to authority. The only reason we know that IQ is a valuable metric is because it is the single most predictive statistic in psychology we have. It more than anything predicts such outcomes as lifetime income, lifetime educational attainment.
There was an attempt to shift away from it by introducing EQ, but it was found to not predict anything at all. IQ is our closest measure of G, general intelligence. We have no measure of wisdom.
Also plato didn't discern intelligence from wisdom, he seperated wisdom from knowledge. The Greeks did not have a concept of intelligence as we have it as far as I know.
He wasn't an academically gifted super-genius scientist, but he knew how the world worked and how his teammates were inevitably going to end up, including Ozymandias' insane power grab.
Intelligence is book smarts
Wisdom is street smarts
It's that simple.
you can have a lot of processing power and use it on useless shit like autists obssessed with remembering dates and shit, also wise is being able to realise your own bullshit, the ego can come in the way of that and give you blindspots even if you're very smart, invladiating a large portions of your intelligence
He's like Rorschach with how in touch he is with human nature. In an odd way making him the foil for a character like Dr. M who is completely out of touch. However, unlike Rorschach he isn't autistic when it comes to women and morals.
>how in touch he is with human nature
are you saying the comedian was right about that bawd he tried to rape? when I watched it with my mom and she was really awkward until I told her that she really wanted it, that shut her up
Maybe she really wanted it
But didn't enjoyed it, meaning is not a good thing, live and learn
Isn't the whole point that she hated him for it but loved her daughter completely and realizes she would not have her if not for the rape? And therefore all but forgives it because it resulted in the happiest part of her life?
It is. Those other anons are moronic
Many such cases when it comes to Watchmen.
only the first time was attempted rape. second time was consensual and that's when laurie was conceived.
No, most women can only orgasm during rape. They love it.
in the book very clearly so. The whole interview with silk spectre I showa her as an airhead bimbo who does it for attention. The movie a little more ambiguously so. She still likes that a fan sends her a porn cartoon of her. And any woman that dresses like that does it to get noticed. It was actually a bit of a casting mistake to sexy confident carla cugino, as silk specter is a deeply insecure character.
what's moronic about him
This was the entire point of the original Conan the Barbarian stories before other authors picked him up and flanderized him into a moronic caveman. Still a bit mad about that
>beats Ozymandias's ass
>Ozy is so buttmad about this that he waits decades for Comedian to get old so he can kill him
Anyone else glad they didn’t go with the gimp mask?
Weren't the Soviets imperialists?
it's only imperalism when you're talking your enemy
i will never care about the watchman film but the watchman comic i will carry in my heart until the day i die
why?
perhaps you just need to get better at spotting who's moronic (protip: it's rorsarch)
Nite Owl was the moron. The midwit. Rorschach also knew something was up and followed up on what Comedian was studying. He had to work to convince Nite Owl that something was amiss.
Why were they all so freakishly strong? I remember scenes where osmadeus was punching holes in walls and crushing tables
Ozymandias was a top-tier athlete, but it also isn't farfetched to consider that he chemically enhanced himself in ways that made him even stronger.
Snyder is a moron.
because snyder is a hack that doesn't understand source material.
It isn't 100% clear in the first fight, because in the book Ozymandius is a Schwarzenegger like chad instead of a gay brooding twink. The unlikelyhood of it being a single attacker is plot point.
But when Laurie and Dan are attacked, in the book they are afterwards racked with adrenaline and bend over catching their breath, instead of posing for a superhero moment. It just made them less vulnerable. Less like people, more like marvel superheroes. Really undermined what the graphic novel was trying to say.
I think it still carries the idea.
The main point of heros being forced into retirement still carries through.
Them being out of breath is just extra visual detail of them being retired for a while now, it doesn't change much overall.
Vulnerability goes out of the mind, when you have a futuristic space ship in the 80s
didn't help Nite Owl I
I just think it was stylistically the wrong choice to make the fights look cool and choreographed instead of messy and dangerous, like say oldboy. That too is basicly superhero in how many he beats, but the style works to convey the message much better. The closest thing is Rorsarch being captures by police. But Snyder can't stop himself from trying to make them look cool.
>woman eventually has consensual sex and a child with the guy who tried to rape her
woman moment
His reaction to the plan doesn't make sense as people are more likely to be effected by a single death (which he caused many) then something abstract like a city blowing up.
What was his superpower?
raping women
embracing clown world
Quite blackpilling that the rapist murderer of a pregnant woman had chicks lusting after him irl.
I was once with a girl that had trouble getting wet. When we talked about the time she really did love sex, she described a situation where a coworker, who was kind of fat and ugly suddenly bent her over a table in the supply closet. I didn't say it sounded like rape, but I learned a lot about women that day.
It's pretty straightforward really. If a woman pinned you against the wall of aforesaid supply closer and starting sucking you off you wouldn't have a problem with it either if they knew what they were doing.
Casual sex isn't unusual anon.
Comedian was the captain america of Watchmen and the fact it was easier for Alan Moore to riff on marvel than DC says a lot.