This show was great and it was very ahead of its time but it still suffers from the repetitiveness and the plot literally going nowhere. Also the ending was way too symbolic and too much of a metaphor for society. It would have been nice if we got an actually honest real reason why he was trapped in the village.
There's some purely episodic episodes, but there's also many that advance the plot. One where we find out that, actually, his bosses were entirely in on it is a big revelation. It's clearly an island run by NATO alliance states (it could have been Soviets for all they knew for instance). Also others push the 6 vs 2 fight. If I remember, right, he breaks the last 2, which causes them to use extreme measures resulting in the finale.
>It's clearly an island run by NATO alliance states (it could have been Soviets for all they knew for instance).
Number 2 says it doesn't matter because the logic of the two systems naturally tends toward each other and he is correct. The world in which we live is the result of the dialectical relationship between the two.
We are all citizens of the global village.
on a side note the phrase global village is taken from McLuhan and everyone in this thread should read The Gutenberg Galaxy. McLuhan is necessary to understand the previous world ruled by Gutenberg technology and how modern electronic technology has created the modern world.
Our elections aren't nearly the clownshow as the elections in their time or in the past when people would have duels and there were muckraking magazines dedicated to making up bullshit about the other candidates.
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Amazing bait. Thank you I had a chuckle.
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Its true though, they were parodying their time, not ours and britain was notorious for its tabloids and clown show elections even back then.
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>in the past when people would have duels
That would be an improvement.
It's impossible to find a modern politician who believes what they say, none of them would risk death or injury for it.
>Number 2 says it doesn't matter because the logic of the two systems naturally tends toward each other and he is correct. The world in which we live is the result of the dialectical relationship between the two.
I mean, he can argue that. The 2's are a bunch of shit heads and do everything to not answer questions, and avoid them, while giving cryptic ones. But literally it's run by the CIA and MI6. It's a place for them to store old agents who are too dangerous to let retire.
>But literally it's run by the CIA and MI6. It's a place for them to store old agents who are too dangerous to let retire.
That is the most surface level and pointless interpenetration.
The Village is an analogue for the modern world. Who runs the modern world, do you know? No one knows.
Regardless of that fact you are still in control of you life, like Number Six
>But literally it's run by the CIA and MI6. It's a place for them to store old agents who are too dangerous to let retire.
Yet there are also people from Soviet alligned states there. The village is run by a multinational council that transcends the two sides of the cold war.
It's occasionally implied they are freemasons, but I'm fairly sure a lot of masonic iconography had already become a shorthand for "general nebulous evil conspirators" at the point Prisoner was made.
>Yet there are also people from Soviet alligned states there.
NATO would have tons of agents and informers in those countries though. The original idea is that The Village was created in a proposal by Number 6 himself to give spies a place to retire after they have served their usefulness, but can't be allowed go.
And 6 clearly states his intentions for why he retires to his boss before he goes (he just had a conflict of conscience) but the paranoid nature of the Cold War era spy networks is they assume this is a ruse and there's some deeper plan going on. It's so paranoid it's just chasing its tail the whole time. 6 refuses to elaborate and refuses to play their game on principle.
It's about individualism and fighting the collectivism system. It's about whether or not to conform to societal norms to fit in or to fight an uphill battle just to save your individuality and to keep yourself from just being another number in file cabinet full of numbers. Oh and it's also about how technology can be used to enslave us deeper into the system.
Arrival
Dance of the Dead
Checkmate
Free For All
Chimes of Big Ben
The Schizoid Man
Many Happy Returns
A Change of Mind
The General
A. B. and C.
It's Your Funeral
Hammer Into Anvil
Living in Harmony
Do Not Forsake Me, Oh My Darling
The Girl Who Was Death
Once Upon a Time
Fall Out
Which one is the one where he accepts he isn't leaving so he just decides to say frick it and begins causing a shit load of trouble and starts being extremely defiant and beating people up? The one with the tire swing? That's a good one but my number 1 favorite episode is the one where he goes through all the deadly tests and trials while trying to chase that mysterious woman down. The one where they go inside his memories is also really good.
>Which one is the one where he accepts he isn't leaving so he just decides to say frick it and begins causing a shit load of trouble and starts being extremely defiant and beating people up? The one with the tire swing?
A Change of Mind.
Especially the bit towards the end featuring the voice over from Number 2. >What do you want? >Information
You can read that two ways Information and In Formation
They want you to conform
>Who is Number One >You are Number Six
They tell you at the very beginning Number Six is Number One.
You the viewer are number one. You are in control of your life even if you like the protagonist are trapped in the village.
I don't remember much of this show but I think the best episodes were the ones where he wins some small victory over the captors. Like I think he sends the top guy insane in one of them? Others were repetitive and it's not much fun when he learns nothing and accomplishes nothing. I think there's 2 episodes where he escapes but then doesn't really.
Isaac Asimov observed that The Prisoner was a TV show about failure. Number 6 consistently fails to escape or even make much of a difference to The Village he is imprisoned in. The last episodes seem in part to acknowledge that escaping or changing the world may be impossible and real freedom can only come from within ourselves.
Movie and TV icon Patrick McGoohan had his Scanners co-star Jennifer O'Neill in tears on the set of the cult 1981 film by ripping into her for marrying three times.
A fervent Catholic, The Prisoner star took exception to O'Neill's personal life and didn't hold back in letting her know.
Director David Cronenberg recalls, "He had extreme Catholic views about sexuality, which came onto the set.
"My leading lady... came to me incredibly distraught and said, 'Patrick said, 'Are you a prostitute? Are you a bawd?' And he started to lay into her because she'd had, like, five husbands.
"That was Patrick, and those were the things I had to deal with as a relatively young director. He was probably the most difficult actor I ever worked with, though he gave a fantastic performance."
At the time, O'Neill had wed three times. She went on to marry another two men and has been wed to Mervin Louque since 1997
Tried watching it after watching 2009 remake(?) and i don't even remember if i finished the first episode just because it was to much of a 60s tv making for me, all those super close ups of the characters faces is the only thing i remember vividly, i know tv screens were small back then but still.
Number 6 was the prisoner. Number 1 was Patrick mcgoohan, the show's creator. Mcgoohan wrote the episodes, keeping the prisoner trapped and forcing him through his trials.
In a show all about independence, the meaning of the final episode is "be independent but not because I told you to. If you're doing it because I told you to then you're not independent".
Filtered
Be seeing you.
>Le balloon is le scary
thats a nice jacket
do you think i could pull it off
it would be extremely painful
Buy him dinner first.
This show was great and it was very ahead of its time but it still suffers from the repetitiveness and the plot literally going nowhere. Also the ending was way too symbolic and too much of a metaphor for society. It would have been nice if we got an actually honest real reason why he was trapped in the village.
Why are any of us trapped in the village?
But the repetitiveness is the point of the show. The real problem is that they probably run out of ideas too quickly.
>and the plot literally going nowhere.
There's some purely episodic episodes, but there's also many that advance the plot. One where we find out that, actually, his bosses were entirely in on it is a big revelation. It's clearly an island run by NATO alliance states (it could have been Soviets for all they knew for instance). Also others push the 6 vs 2 fight. If I remember, right, he breaks the last 2, which causes them to use extreme measures resulting in the finale.
>It's clearly an island run by NATO alliance states (it could have been Soviets for all they knew for instance).
Number 2 says it doesn't matter because the logic of the two systems naturally tends toward each other and he is correct. The world in which we live is the result of the dialectical relationship between the two.
We are all citizens of the global village.
on a side note the phrase global village is taken from McLuhan and everyone in this thread should read The Gutenberg Galaxy. McLuhan is necessary to understand the previous world ruled by Gutenberg technology and how modern electronic technology has created the modern world.
Well he can't say he didn't try to warn us.
Watch the election episode again and compare it to the clown show elections we now have in the US.
The Global Village indeed.
Our elections aren't nearly the clownshow as the elections in their time or in the past when people would have duels and there were muckraking magazines dedicated to making up bullshit about the other candidates.
Amazing bait. Thank you I had a chuckle.
Its true though, they were parodying their time, not ours and britain was notorious for its tabloids and clown show elections even back then.
>in the past when people would have duels
That would be an improvement.
It's impossible to find a modern politician who believes what they say, none of them would risk death or injury for it.
>Number 2 says it doesn't matter because the logic of the two systems naturally tends toward each other and he is correct. The world in which we live is the result of the dialectical relationship between the two.
I mean, he can argue that. The 2's are a bunch of shit heads and do everything to not answer questions, and avoid them, while giving cryptic ones. But literally it's run by the CIA and MI6. It's a place for them to store old agents who are too dangerous to let retire.
>But literally it's run by the CIA and MI6. It's a place for them to store old agents who are too dangerous to let retire.
That is the most surface level and pointless interpenetration.
The Village is an analogue for the modern world. Who runs the modern world, do you know? No one knows.
Regardless of that fact you are still in control of you life, like Number Six
>The Village is an analogue for the modern world. Who runs the modern world, do you know? No one knows.
Kek
You give a parasite too much credit
>But literally it's run by the CIA and MI6. It's a place for them to store old agents who are too dangerous to let retire.
Yet there are also people from Soviet alligned states there. The village is run by a multinational council that transcends the two sides of the cold war.
It's occasionally implied they are freemasons, but I'm fairly sure a lot of masonic iconography had already become a shorthand for "general nebulous evil conspirators" at the point Prisoner was made.
>Yet there are also people from Soviet alligned states there.
NATO would have tons of agents and informers in those countries though. The original idea is that The Village was created in a proposal by Number 6 himself to give spies a place to retire after they have served their usefulness, but can't be allowed go.
And 6 clearly states his intentions for why he retires to his boss before he goes (he just had a conflict of conscience) but the paranoid nature of the Cold War era spy networks is they assume this is a ruse and there's some deeper plan going on. It's so paranoid it's just chasing its tail the whole time. 6 refuses to elaborate and refuses to play their game on principle.
>episodic episodes
what the frick is that homosexualry, homosexual?
As in non serialised, you dunce, you fricking moron you.
Procedural stuff
>the plot
Pleb
>haha we live in le society
The last two episodes of Evangelion are just a rip off of Once Upon A Time.
It's about individualism and fighting the collectivism system. It's about whether or not to conform to societal norms to fit in or to fight an uphill battle just to save your individuality and to keep yourself from just being another number in file cabinet full of numbers. Oh and it's also about how technology can be used to enslave us deeper into the system.
I AM NOT A MAN
I AM A WOMAN
Neither do you.
Objectively correct order:
Arrival
Dance of the Dead
Checkmate
Free For All
Chimes of Big Ben
The Schizoid Man
Many Happy Returns
A Change of Mind
The General
A. B. and C.
It's Your Funeral
Hammer Into Anvil
Living in Harmony
Do Not Forsake Me, Oh My Darling
The Girl Who Was Death
Once Upon a Time
Fall Out
Which one is the one where he accepts he isn't leaving so he just decides to say frick it and begins causing a shit load of trouble and starts being extremely defiant and beating people up? The one with the tire swing? That's a good one but my number 1 favorite episode is the one where he goes through all the deadly tests and trials while trying to chase that mysterious woman down. The one where they go inside his memories is also really good.
>Which one is the one where he accepts he isn't leaving so he just decides to say frick it and begins causing a shit load of trouble and starts being extremely defiant and beating people up? The one with the tire swing?
A Change of Mind.
I liked that one. Him just being a rebel was one of the strong parts of the show along with the episode 2 number 2 guy
this is not the broadcast order? is it the 40th anniversary dvd order?
It's the one I made up with the power of my massive brain
You're actually meant to watch "The Schizoid Man" inbetween each other episode (for a total of 14 viewings).
Do I have to watch them in order?
Yes
As long as the first episode is first and the last two episodes are last, then you can pretty much watch them in any order.
Watch the opening titles again OP.
Especially the bit towards the end featuring the voice over from Number 2.
>What do you want?
>Information
You can read that two ways Information and In Formation
They want you to conform
>Who is Number One
>You are Number Six
They tell you at the very beginning Number Six is Number One.
You the viewer are number one. You are in control of your life even if you like the protagonist are trapped in the village.
TerriBLE?? It's DREAMY. This is a DREAMy... PARTY..!
I don't remember much of this show but I think the best episodes were the ones where he wins some small victory over the captors. Like I think he sends the top guy insane in one of them? Others were repetitive and it's not much fun when he learns nothing and accomplishes nothing. I think there's 2 episodes where he escapes but then doesn't really.
Isaac Asimov observed that The Prisoner was a TV show about failure. Number 6 consistently fails to escape or even make much of a difference to The Village he is imprisoned in. The last episodes seem in part to acknowledge that escaping or changing the world may be impossible and real freedom can only come from within ourselves.
Too much kino for you to understand
Movie and TV icon Patrick McGoohan had his Scanners co-star Jennifer O'Neill in tears on the set of the cult 1981 film by ripping into her for marrying three times.
A fervent Catholic, The Prisoner star took exception to O'Neill's personal life and didn't hold back in letting her know.
Director David Cronenberg recalls, "He had extreme Catholic views about sexuality, which came onto the set.
"My leading lady... came to me incredibly distraught and said, 'Patrick said, 'Are you a prostitute? Are you a bawd?' And he started to lay into her because she'd had, like, five husbands.
"That was Patrick, and those were the things I had to deal with as a relatively young director. He was probably the most difficult actor I ever worked with, though he gave a fantastic performance."
At the time, O'Neill had wed three times. She went on to marry another two men and has been wed to Mervin Louque since 1997
He was right though.
She was one hell of a bawd
My respect for McGoohan just increased.
Why do post this every time?
Funny innit.
What the frick was his major malfunction?
Horny and autistic, a lethal combination
>I am number 2
>>Who is number 1?
>You are, number 6
Tried watching it after watching 2009 remake(?) and i don't even remember if i finished the first episode just because it was to much of a 60s tv making for me, all those super close ups of the characters faces is the only thing i remember vividly, i know tv screens were small back then but still.
I liked the 2009 remake and I wonder how different this one is. Anyone actually seen both who can give an opinion?
>I liked the 2009 remake
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There was a James Bond movie that referenced this in its ending, right? I'm not just making that up?
Bamparino
He finally managed to get out of the village, but really, the entire world is the village.
You should go back to the store with your receipt and get the ending. Probably a misunderstanding, I’m sure they’ll give you the ending no problem.
You won't get it
Number 6 was the prisoner. Number 1 was Patrick mcgoohan, the show's creator. Mcgoohan wrote the episodes, keeping the prisoner trapped and forcing him through his trials.
In a show all about independence, the meaning of the final episode is "be independent but not because I told you to. If you're doing it because I told you to then you're not independent".
I remember the the Reboot episode parodying this and it giving me flashbacks cause I had forgotten about this show.
He escaped, but like us he'll always remain a prisoner in a society that bends the rules to punish people who cause too much trouble.
that's because you're a brainlet
Hey I just watched this. Last episode was a ride, felt like everything was collapsing in on itself.
Because McGoohan wrote it over a weekend locked in his trailer consuming nothing but cigarettes and gin.