These purring space fairies could take over the world and we'd never know it, because they could just go into our dreams, and convince us that seeing them is normal.
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Demons are cooler than fae
Somewhat
he will make your toaster into a fridge within 10 minutes
And it’ll shoot giant hunks of ice at intruders
He will make your electric drill into an adjustable 30 speed 15 pattern vibrating dildo with port and starboard attachments
Yeah
They are quite literally a species perfect for committing rape.
it's not rape if i want it
but what if i want to rape them instead?
Then you need the proper protections against their weird sleep dust
How would you frick and shield yourself at the same time?
Like a gas mask or rag or something. Something to cover your face you don’t need a whole hazmat suit
And there's an entire planet of them.
>TFW no dream invading space fairy waifu
which species of Ben's do you think would have the easiest time conquering, or destroying, humanity?
Atomix.
Galvanic Mechamorph. Unless we go full swords and sandles within the space of a year nothing could really stop them.
Galvans would fricking steamroll us in an afternoon
Quite a few. The Pyronites could flash fry shit if enough of them gathered, and it probably wouldn't need to be more a few dozen and just do what Ozai was planning on doing at the end of TLA.
Sonorosians, NRG species and Galvanic Mechamorphs
Celestialsapiens, if they were so inclined.
If anything which species would have the hardest time is the more interesting question. I think vulpimancers (wildmutt's species) would have a harder time than others. They're not entirely feral but their drive is predictable and they could be dealt with by sufficiently specific anti-vulpimancer tech.
Walkatrout’s species would get fricking smoked in like an afternoon
Ghostfreak and his cronies almost did, but NRG out of his suit, rath, and maybe ampfibian could stand a chance.
Oh god an army of appoplexians would take over Earth so easily
i would say Ectonurites but that's just because they are my favorite
Fact: Humams are the most poweful race in the universe
Hell yeah frick those xenos
>frick those xenos
with pleasure
Oh Max you race traitor
Anyone have image of alien making a dange sign for humans that said "the human perversion has no limits" and how they just love to frick
Whatever XLR8's species is. Super speed is pretty unbeatable
Have you seen the baseball episode? A gang of them could slit humanity's collective throats before we even realized what happened.
So they have Book of the End?
Do you guys prefer Eon being a chronosapian or an alternate version of Ben? I don’t mind him being an evil Ben, but I think having him be his own guy is cooler
I like him being an evil version of Ben that acquired different powers
It's nice to have it be established that the side characters help put ben on the right path due to his narcissism
Yeah that’s a good point. I just wish they explored that more cause apparently Eon’s gauntlet is his omnitrix. I’d like to know what exactly happened to this Ben to turn him into Eon
I recall hearing something about how there's probably a timeline where Ben has Eon as a transformation, meaning that the original version of Eon could still be a thing. Given all the time travel bullshittery, they could probably make it something like Eon's race was a thing, then the Ben who became Eon activated the form in an effort to save his timeline/universe, failed, and because of his actions, replace the "original Eon" and thus make both iterations effectively canon.
Nice work around
Both. I liked Kuro's version of him the most.
Speaking of Kuro, has 5YL updated recently or is he still doing the “Recalibrated” thing?
I like that he maxed out Mana in his timeline and became a multiverse thread.
I would've said I preferred him as an alien like in the original movie once but then I realized OS Eon's schtick is similar to Ghostfreak, so alternate evil Ben is more unique. And Ben 10,000 alreadt set a precedent for alternate Bens.
>Space aliens? Nah how about time aliens.
Bump
Big chill is so cool
How do you feel about Ultimate Big Chill and the Omniverse re design
Huh, I just noticed he doesn’t have the little bits that jut out on the badge
Would have given it a more monstrous appearance, similar to Mothman.
Doubling down on Big Chill being at least a little creepy would’ve been cool
as the series went on, and doubly so in the reboot, they trimmed down the "alien" aspects of new aliens. reboot stinkfly is a big offender. hell, some of them are just elemental superpowers.
I wasn’t gonna watch the reboot anyways. But seeing the re designed really put me off it
The reboot in general was just a textbook example of cashgrab. At least it's over now, though I wouldn't be surprised if CN will continue to ignore the original continuity in favor of more reboots and other non-canon stuff.
Maybe so, but I think if you're gonna continue ben 10 after omniverse you should reboot it. a battle over the creation of the universe is as solid an endpoint as you're gonna get.
fact is, ben 10 has always been hyper-toyetic and filled with executive meddling. they just got worse at hiding it as the original continuity went on.
though that doesn't give an excuse for the reboot atrocious artstyle.
I want a Ben 10K show that’s all I ask
Or at least a Ken 10 show. I just think setting a show in the future would be cool
As far as I recall, the end of OV seemed to imply the next stage was a kind of roadtrip theme, basically a Dragon Ball GT kind of situation where things would go back to the style of the original series. Of course, whether this would have lasted for the entire series or just be a few seasons of Ben and friends traveling the cosmos before going back to earth, who knows. If it were up to me, I'd probably go with that concept, and have some big conflict that brews over the course of the season
And also not so subtly get rid of Kai because she's just the worst girl
little chills should have come back. Frick ken, i want space moths.
Regular big chill could already alter its internal body temprature however it wanted i don't get how this is an improvement. When ben was preggo he was eating steel, melting it and spewing it back out.
Ult. Big Chills fire can absorb the heat from objects to freeze things. And iirc he can shoot it out of his hands too. And the little chills should’ve come back in like, Omniverse or something even for a mention
>little chills should have come back. Frick ken, i want space moths.
I remember reading a fanfic about something like this and obsessively reposting it on Cinemaphile. Was pretty fun in retrospect.
>necrofriggians reproduce asexually every 80 years
>ultimate form simulates combat evolution for a few million years
>Ultimate forms develop sapience within their save file on the watch
>get released.
>in 80 years hyper evolved agressive combat necrofriggians will start spreading across the galaxy
>a fire so cold it burns the galaxy down
Albedo once again accidentally fricks up and this time the universe has to pay
I think Azmuth would probably monitor them to see how isolated or not they should or want to be, so he probably has a scenario for that.
Weird they didn't have an episode touching upon those guys since the guys were just pulled out of war-like simulation into a universe that's generally peaceful or so Ben might scan so he would at least those few ultimatrix forms.
Heck, whatever happened to the ultimates after they were freed? I can get they probably wanted some life of peace given their unorthodox "birth", but it was weird how they just get released and then never get mentioned even once.
I like to think they went back to their respective species and made some weird mutant children
If they aren't attacked on sight for looking like mutant freaks to their own species
Nah they’d be able to hold their own. They’re called Ultimate Aliens for a reason
>I bring you love
>He’s bringing us love kill him!
What makes this funnier is that if the ultimates decide to go back to their home planets, Cannonbolt’s species is extinct so he literally has nowhere to go
Speaking of, did Cannonbolt's ultimate give him anything other than spikes?
Something to do with momentum and just generally being stronger and faster
Can’t improve perfection.
Didn't some of them went and worked for Azmuth? Or am I misremembering shit?
Nah he took them to a random ass planet to live
And then Ultimate Humungousaur be like:
RIP in peace original Ultimate Humungosaur you will be missed
YO is that deadlock's hookarm and Grimlock's sword?
Yeah, OV was chock full of references. Comics, movies, other cartoons/DJW’s old work
still can't get over the pregnancy episode...
how was that real?
Someone on the staff was probably into mpreg
Eh, the subject's an alien, so I guess the execution was relatively more 'sensible' compared to say, FOP.
I'm sorry the what episode
Alien Force had an episode where Ben was constantly turning into Big Chill and eating metal, because Big Chill was about to lay eggs.
That's hot
Nah, it's cool
Nice
They should've done more episodes where Ben has to deal with his aliens biological quirks or learn about their cultures. That was the original purpose of the Omnitirix after all but I guess that doesn't always make for a great action cartoon.
I didn't really like most of AFs shameless replacements for OS aliens but Big Chill is an exception, and he was up against Ghost Freak.
I also hated the shameless replacements in AF but Big Chill is an exception. I might even say he's more imaginative than Ghostfreak because he's just an alien ghost whereas Big Chill is like an ice ghost moth/butterfly. I'd say Echo Echo is more inspired than Ditto as well.
I always saw Echo Echo as a cross between Ditto and Blitzwolfer
You can say that about a bunch of post-OS aliens. Big Chill is Ghostfreak + Arctiguana but the latter was so minor back then that it wasn't a huge deal. And I don't remember Ben using Blitzwolfer after his debut episode either. So at least by giving those powers to the central ten aliens in AF they got more regular use.
Jetray and Spidermonkey feel like they grew out of Stinkfly and XLR8. But it sucked they gave Jetray such a humanoid design unlike his concept art.
>But it sucked they gave Jetray such a humanoid design unlike his concept art.
Bet'cha anything that was CN probably wanting the toy to be "easier" to produce and market than something that was actually cool and unique.
Probably. Or maybe it was just because the most popular/most used aliens of the original series happened to generally be more humanoid so they thought they should try to emulate that in AF.
I don't know if this is a hot take but I'd have preferred if Chromastone had not existed at all because he's such a Diamondhead ripoff. The concept on the left is at least a little more unique though, a formation of floating crystals could've been interesting. Lodestar would've been a better replacement I think since he's based on a mineral too and has magnetic powers which is new for Ben at that time. Or Gravattack in his ultimate form which is a less humanoid too.
Yea, was never big on that character either, was even funny how when he was "killed" by Vilgax, it was basically just to bring back the OG Diamondhead. As for all the aliens being humanoid, I imagine that probably one somewhat mandated by CN, given they made it especially clear with the reboot designs. Would even explain why the likes of Wildmutt and other animalistic aliens didn't get as much attention after OS.
>Would even explain why the likes of Wildmutt and other animalistic aliens didn't get as much attention after OS.
You know I'd never really thought about that until you brought it up but then at the same time Pokemon sells a ton of nonhumanoid toys so it's a weird decision. But then it could be a creative thing. The people working on Alien Force came from DC animation so maybe they wanted more of a traditional superhero vibe from the transformations, more in their comfort zone animation-wise, moving away from monster-like designs.
And I'm assuming the humanoid aliens that function like humans are just easier/cheaper to animate generally so they make more appearances over the weirder ones.
And I forgot Eric Canete's concepts really tried to push for more bestial aliens too. These ones seem a little bit too overboard for Ben 10 but it's the general direction I prefer.
I'm a big believer in very alien looking aliens in sci fi but it's usually more expensive to pull off and creators are always worried audiences won't connect with anything that isn't a human with skin paint and light prosthetics.
Well there are a bunch of those Ben 10 toys where you can swap parts, pretty sure the reboot toyline even banked heavily on that concept, so the push for largely humanoid aliens may have been for that, though hard to say. But yea, some of it was probably McDuffie and his staff being DC folk who were playing it safe with what they knew from working on Justice League and all those shows.
Yeah Skurd was created so that Bandai could sell with swappable alien parts. I never liked that idea. I like the fusions because it can lead to some really cool looks but tacking different body parts of an alien onto another never worked for me. Except for Kevin in OS and Kevin 11000 especially.
Some of the Skurd stuff was kinda fun, but yea, it was definitely a gimmick that lasted a bit longer than it should have, much like the Ultimate forms. Shame that the series pretty much just became nothing but "how can we make this alien hip and cool again for a few more months?"
I liked Skurd more as a character than his gimmick. I liked his posh accent and superiority complex
Ghostmutt looks sick
>Kevin 11,000
That’s still his best look imo. I like how he still has the vulpimancer arms, makes me think he made that choice himself cause he thinks they look cool or something
The Omnitrix is so weird as a concept because the idea you could have several variants is just weird.
Like the Predatrix is just made so you can auto select against one specific guy and it's the animals of that species.
It's the equivalent of seeing a human and auto selecting into a Bear or a Gorilla
Nemetrix, frick
Anyway imagine Ben scanning any of the Nemetrix aliens and just having them be weird rhinos or a literal giant bird but it can talk.
Sounds like the plot of a potential episode: Ben/a main character gets the Nemetrix and it's alien transformations, but when they transform, they lose there ability to speak, leaving everyone around unsure if they're still in charge or the instincts have taken over.
That does sound pretty good. Maybe it could be Ben who’s been kidnapped by Psychobos and replaces the Omnitrix with the Nemetrix and lets him loose. Then the episode is half figuring out where Ben is and half getting him back to normal before he goes completely feral. Hell you could even bring back Phil as a supporting character since he had the thing on him for a little bit
The nemetrix implies that these things have scientists and society among them
they're most likely bordering but omitrix leaning
Eh, supposedly along with humans, earth also has white lab mice and dolphins as species in the Omnitrix. I don’t think you need a civilization, you just need to meet certain criteria.
Kind of like a “all dogs have noses, but not all things with noses are dogs” kinda deal.
If you have a civilization, your species is definitely able to be in the Omnitrix. But not all species in the Omnitrix have civilizations.
Yeah just because you’re smart doesn’t make you intelligent
Ben 10,000’s aliens always looked so cool to me, especially Heatblast and Wildmutt
Why does that one have a tail?
That’s what a full grown Vulpimancer looks like. It’s from the Ben 10,000 episode
The Nemetrix is only meant for non-sentient life and the auto select is based on natural predators. Sentient life can use the Nemetrix, but it results in the user's mind becoming animalistic for the rest of the transformation.
That legit seems like one good upside followed by 3 downsides. Like picking a hard counter is awesome in fights but the reason Ben and even Albedo were good fighters were because they had creativity behind their BS
That’s why Khyber uses his dog/alien smilodon. His whistle is able to control what his pet transforms into
I mean it would still be funny if Ben was able to turn into the predators and you see this giant octopus monster talk about smoothies or something
Predatrix does sound cooler tbh. And this is kinda unrelated but I always liked that the Nemetrix’s symbol is a maw opening
Jetray was a lame alien anyways tbh
Man I love seeing all the concept art from this show. I’d love to get my hands on some physical pieces one day
It's cool seeing how some ideas were reused. Like concepts for Upchuck became Spitter.
Check it you can see what would become Arctiguana and two aliens that are used later in that first column
Agreed. The concept art is full of badass designs.
That one with the orange core looks pretty cool
Glenn Wong's Swampfire looks really fricking menacing.
Could totally make the top left one into a new alien. Give him moss powers to differentiate him from the actual Swampfire.
isn’t that just Wildvine
>top left
A lot of the beta aliens designs for Alien Force had kind of a Mike Mignola vibe to them. I liked it.
Ben 10 aliens in the Mike Mignola style would look killer
Vilgax with wings is something I never knew I needed to see
The concept was billed was ultimate mutant
Chimera Sui Generis, but they settled for some ugly shit instead.
>Ultimate Mutant Chimera Sui Generis
That is the edgiest but coolest fricking thing ever why in gods name would they not do that
Vilgax with wings makes him look like Cthulhu.
That's the general idea
I heard that was the plan originally for “true form” Vilgax but they scrapped it for the Kraken look cause they didn’t know if they could use such overt Lovecraft imagery. Then they found out they could in time for the Dagon arc
They could have used other love craft aliens like the elder things or the mi-go.
I don’t actually remember if it was an Elder God specifically just that it was a Lovecraftian monster. Elder God was just a name for the sake of one
Oh thought you were responding to my other post
. But they probably chose Dagon cause it was a recognizable name
That'd be pretty cool to see Ben turn into an Elder Thing or Mi-Go or Yithian. I wonder what powers those aliens would have. In Lovecraft's universe, the Mi-Go phase in and out of our universe because they're from a parallel universe with different laws of physics. Yithians swap minds with people and send them into the future I think to the Yithians great library. I don't know what powers the Elder Things have in Lovecraft's universe, but iirc, they're at last psychic and can fly through space without technology.
It'd be cool to see Ben try to use some of those more exotic abilities rather than the standard ice blast or fireball or lightning bolt most of his aliens do.
Reminds me of in a few threads ago an anon came up with the transformation “10th Shape”. It was essentially an Elder God that was so powerful that Ben wolf black out and not remember what he did after using 10th Shape. It was a really badass concept I liked it a lot especially the name
These were all rejected for this
Ditto was literally just an excuse to get Rob Paulson into the show.
You’re saying it like it’s a bad thing
Any other cloning alien is more inspired by ditto, like Slappback from 2016
Thankfully they’ve got some gimmick to differentiate themselves. Ditto’s kinda stretchy, the Echo Echo’s can turn into a clone of Ben, and Slapback’s clones are denser than the previous one
ben is disgusted by his form because he is unworthy.
I should be the cute fairy! me! not him!
What would a female look like?
Probably the same.
Would be ironic if they look mannish in comparison.
So it's one of these types of situations. Neat.
DJW gave an idea of a Nemunian with glasses.
I swear I’ve seen dudes who look like the one with glasses
>Disgusted by transforming in alien with femenine traits
Not just a racist, but a transphobic too!
>Ben 10
So frickable… and pathetic!
what color ring would suit ben be?
Green cause of color coordination and his own stubbornness and good nature outweighs his fear pretty much all the time
Violet. Really put Hal's willpower to the test.
Femboy pink
HAL! do we need to have ANOTHER intervention!? I swear this time I bring Bruce into the mix
didn't this alien only appear once?
I think it was like, twice. Once was his debut and the second was a split second flash during the finale
Four times, though one was just a brief appearance, basically the foreshadow of its proper use against Khyber
3 real appearences
One in an episode where the omnitrix aas busted and he kept getting stuck in useless forms
One where he turned into him accidentally then actually trying to figure out his power because the villian of the episode was afraid of the species
And one last time, the only time he deliberately turned into him, followed by calling the form dangerous
Plus one appearence by the Ben 23 version and a breif flash in the final episode alongside basically every omnitrix ailen thay appears in Omniverse.
They know humans are obsessed with cuteness.
When I'm done these things are going to look like a water balloons.
>Foipussy
That is all.
I wanna
hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng
its a galactus situation where it looks like whatever species is beholding it right?
Nope. Technically it’s the reverse since they like to change things around
I wonder
just wonder
if there are god(s)
how do they feel about some of us wanting to frick 'em
There’s gotta be at least one half celestialsapian bastard child running around somewhere
It was that black kid Jonesy
I always knew there was something off about that guy but I just couldn’t place it
Jonesy kept on talking like he had mutilple personalities and would show up in odd places.
Jonesy is classed as a low multiverseal threat
How strong is their kid?
Jonsey Jr. makes the celestialsapiens and contumelia look like chumps
Actually, this will never happen, Lucy is a space cop and we know cops opinion about Black folk
His alien side can reset the universe and frick with time and stuff.
I don't trust him!!!!
Ah fire and mud, its like pottery, it rhymes.
Oh Carlos!
That's Alan who has fire powers while Jonesy has reality-warping powers.
UOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH ATHENA AND ARTEMIS TUMMY EROTICCCCCCC
Well, I certainly wouldn't stop them.
Like you’d want to
Eh Ditto’s cuter
>small feminine alien male
I like
Yea but every alien has some kind of amazing superpower.
Humans are the only nonpowered muggles in that universe.
I was gonna mention Paradox but he’s a unique case
>At first I went mad of course, but after a few millennia I got bored with that, too, and went sane - very sane.
supposedly there are more humans than seen in the series that can use magic or manipulate mana
I guess that’s our unique ability, we can’t shoot fire outta our hands but a few of us can tap into magic. And with guys like Charmcaster and Hex running around we can be pretty damn powerful too
That's apparently the result of past hybridization with "magic" using aliens.
Doesn't every living thing have the capacity to use magic?
Yes, since mana is life energy then any living creature can learn to manipulate it.
I guess it's easy for humans, they just didn't know how to do it
Kek I love how everyone is standing so casually
I guess when your species can already fly or shoot lasers, there is no need to give a shit about learning Latin phrases that make things float or glow.
Like all things fantasy, humans have the amazing ability to frick and make hybrid kids.
This is even more fricked up when you realized that humans successfully made kids with at least three different energy beings. One of them did not even have DNA. Another was made out of fire. Someone fricked fire in this show.
>Someone fricked fire in this show
Looks like they could stand the heat
>Someone fricked fire in this show.
wish that was still the case before they recton them into being test tube babies.
The human power is to make offspring with everyone other intelligent race in the galaxy.
So what species in the universe could keep up with humans on a sexual level? Who else out there is as deviant as we are?
Dolphins, the true masters of the universe.
>So long, and thanks for all the fish
Every alien in Undertown when the Incerseans rolled up
Bump
They’re about to drop the hottest mixtape in the omniverse
Why
Because McDuffie wanted to make his own Darkseid/Thanos
>removed Vilgax's thigh highs
why even bring him back in alien force
because they used up all the plot they planned out and smashed the bring back iconic villains button
They couldn’t even let him have his cool rebreather thing
I forgot UAF Vilgax has a little 1950’s ray gun. Did he ever use it? Cause it seems kinda out of place for UAF
I think he used it a few times, but most other times he just used his discount Omega beam because he wanted to be like Darkseid so very badly.
It seemed that McDuffie learned too heavily on his experience on the DCAU when making UAF. I get writing what you know but seeing how certain concepts and characters are changed makes it seem that he looked at the model sheets and the bare essentials of their backstories/personalities and went “This is too hard and or stupid I’m just gonna make them like how DC does their characters”. And that sucks cause you get a lamer world and watered down versions of already good characters
No kidding. It's part of the reason the character designs were also so hit or miss, more often miss. It was like Dwayne had no faith in himself to make something that wasn't off-brand DC.
>leaned too heavily on DCAU
No kidding, when vilgax shows up in alien force he even says the same line DCAU doomsday says when he shows up to attack superman.
Really is a shame, since McDuffie was a great writer. But for god knows whatever reason, he either simplified things from their OS iterations, or outright retconned things. The thing about magic being alien ki or whatever for a while was easily one of the worst changes, given it just made Gwen into cartoon Goku/not StarRaven, where it more interesting when she was just someone with an innate gift of magic that could rival the likes of Charmcaster and Hex.
>Evil warlord who can’t be reasoned with who knows the ins and outs of the omnitrix and will kill a 10 year old child just because he doesn’t like him
>Generic bad guy who somehow forgot everything about the omnitrix and gets his ass handed to him regularly
Why?
Understandable
The right one is closer to how he looked on his debut, before his injuries.
Omniversebros, what about the series appeals to you? I've made it 14 episodes in and go from "huh, maybe I'll watch another one" to "I think I'm gonna just put this off for a few months". Besides the art, backgrounds, waifus, and Rook, I find it pretty underwhelming at best, and annoying at worse. When did the show suck you in and start "getting good"?
I liked how casual everything was most of the time, things didn’t need to be super dramatic so when it was it was like “Oh it’s getting real now.” I also really enjoyed Ben in this, his attitude was the perfect combination of goofy fun loving guy to serious hero. It was cool to see him be more laid back against guys like Vilgax cause it makes sense that after years of doing his thing Ben just doesn’t take things as seriously as the people around him. And I enjoyed how weird the episodes could get like the And Then There Was two parter
I just found the tone refreshing after binging UAF
I found malware immediately engaging but I also watched in production order so I imagine that helps a bit
Malware was badass, I loved his first form the best. And he was just a cool character in general. I also enjoyed Khyber but I might be a little biased cause he reminds me of Kraven the Hunter
watching it when it first came out I was mostly into the art style and overall story but after binging the entire series recently it really stands out after watching AF and UAF by not being a dark dreary mess afraid of its own concepts.
UAF is just so bland compared to the OG series and OV. First season of AF was pretty good though then it all went downhill
that dagon shit was SO fricking gay
Did they pay the Lovecraft estate to use the name Dagon? Cause that’s the only other thing I’ve seen use the name
Lovecraft's works are public domain.
Oh ok that makes sense cause there was that South Park episode with Cthulhu
Dagon is a mesopotamic god bro
Well there’s frickin egg on my face
I overall feel that the show can be fun and entertaining to watch, but I would be lying that it doesn’t feel like every episode is that great. Most have felt kinda okay at the least.
It’s certainly the one I watch the most out of all of them
If Rath is Tony the Tiger on steroids, what would Ultimate Rath be?
A Lion? Maybe a white tiger?
https://ben10.fandom.com/wiki/Ultimate_Rath
furry wolverine apparently
They're too powerful.
Cute!
A better design would have been nice
He didn’t need one in the first place
What are these things called again?
Nemuinas plural, Nemuina singular.
So we know that both regular Ben and Ben 23 name their aliens but what about the other alternate Ben’s? I think Mad Ben would come up with something like “Killer Quartz” for Diamondhead
I always had Quadpunch in my mind for an alternate Fourarms name but it's not that catchy.
It’s not bad I came up with Knuckle Duster for an alt Fourarms name
What’s this? A thread in danger of getting archived? A large quantity of bumps oughta put a stop to that!
Billy
Nice
Mindrape?
If you were having a dream about fricking the Nemuina that put you to sleep would they be forced to go along with it?
I'm not sure it works like that but it's a funny thought.
Vilgax and SixSix were some kinky motherfrickers, not judging just pointing it out
Often wondered if Sixsix had some kind of inhibitor in his armor. Since he seemed restrained before his helmet broke and he started acting all savage
Why’d they have to do my boy Kraab dirty? He had a cool personality, design, and gadgets but they just didn’t do anything besides quick cameos where he got Alien Force’d (becoming bland and shit)
But I don't want to be mind broken by the space fairies.
You don’t get a choice
Don't worry, when they're done you will.
But you will and won't even notice.
Badass anon got any more?
Get out of my mind foul xenos.
Based astartes
I know it was a purely a stylistic choice to give Albedo’s shirt/jacket a reverse 10 in Omniverse. But I like to think that he went and got them custom made to further differentiate himself from Ben. Or to go full on “evil doppelgänger” like Reverse Flash or something
Alien X’s holding the Anihhilarg and UAF Vilgax had some tech and powers but I don’t know if it was strictly ten he could just fly or shoot tornadoes outta his mouth sometimes
Did the writers or show runners ever reveal anything about what their plans were for this guy? Cause I remember hearing they wanted to do something with the Forever Knights and the dragon aliens
>Dwayne McDuffie once claimed more of the species would be seen in future episodes
>Derrick J. Wyatt said there were no plans to revisit this species in Omniverse because no one wanted to revisit that arc
Probably had something to do with Dagon. Maybe there was going to be a connection between him and the Dragons but it became too convoluted or something. I also saw a theory on this where someone speculated that Dagon wasn't going to be as villainous as he ended up being, which sort of lines up with Lovecraftian storytelling where some of the entities aren't really malevolent but them coming into contact with Humans always leads to chaos. It wouldn't be off brand for the Forever Knights to be exploiting Dagon for more power like Healing Church did with the Great Ones in Bloodborne.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ben10/comments/mnx3xp/okay_i_have_a_theory_i_think_dagon_was_originally/
Or maybe there was no connection but the writers realized the Dagon stuff was overlapped too much with what they were planning for the Dragons so they repurposed those ideas and we got the Dagon, Forever Knights and Vilgax story. Vilgax might've actually been to blame for the change too, they were pushing him a lot in the later seasons of AF/UAF. Maybe they or the studio thought the Forever Knights couldn't carry a finale on their own.
That theory makes sense especially that bit about Paradox telling Ben to not trust George. And the FK would lie about an alien threat to fit their anti alien rhetoric. It would also have been a cool twist to have the ancient elder god thing actually turn out to be the good guy or even a victim of the Knights. I don’t know how the dragons would fit into this, maybe he’s their god or something like that
The Dragons could've been a little like Lovecraft's Elder Things or the Star-spawn of Cthulhu, ancient aliens that came to Earth a long time ago. They could've tied it together pretty nicely if they wanted to but like DJW said it was something they never cared to revisit. But my personal headcanon is that there is some connection there.
Maybe it was just too arcane for AF/UAF. I know they walked back the anti-magic stuff as the show went on but maybe they felt all this Eldritch stuff was going too far. Or CN even stopped them because they thought it wasn't appropriate for Ben 10.
This is why I would've been into a Gwen spinoff though because then they can explore the weirder magical side of the Ben 10 universe while still giving it a cool alien spin when needed. If they wanted to, they could've done a Kevin limited series too dealing with the alien black market and mutants more. I feel like they're sleeping on a lot of potential here.
Having the dragons be aliens that inspired the legends of dragons would make sense, especially given that Dagon looks like a dragon in George’s flashback. It could’ve been too arcane but I think that it just didn’t really fit the tone of Omniverse which was a lot more lighthearted. Having spin-offs or limited series's about different characters would be great for world building
I always really loved the idea of a Ben 10000 series in the vein of Batman Beyond. Based on the OS version of course. That whole setting had great aesthetics. It'd probably be about Ken and Devin since since Ben would be too OP to use all the time. Or maybe you age up Ken and Ben is even older and has gone missing or "died" similar to what they did with Grandpa Max in early Alien Force. Just give me more cyberpunk/intergalactic Ben 10 stories. I did appreciate that they created Undertown in Omniverse though and to give us an alien environment while keeping things Earthbound.
it would had been a much better thing to do than fricking rebooting the OS
It's ironic because when WB approached the Batman team about ending their show they actually wanted a tween Batman reboot that'd appeal to younger viewers. Luckily the crew threw together the Batman Beyond pitch and got that made instead. But to this day I think the whole Batman Beyond concept was a big risk for a cartoon at that time, I couldn't see CN having the guts to do that with Ben 10 unless they committed to streaming more and allowed for some movies and spinoffs similar to how they're reviving ATLA.
Yes dude I’ve been saying this forever. There’s so much potential with a Ben 10,000 show
Wonder if they might consider doing a series that returns to the original continuity at some point now that the reboot is over. I know there's some sort of anime based on the Gwen 10 universe, and I think there's another live-action work, though who knows given how poor Race against Time and Alien Swarm were
I wouldn't rule it out after they basically revisited the original continuity in Destroy All Aliens and set it after the main show iirc.
Yea, I wasn't too surprised they revisited the old universe in some way, since like a lot of people, I had figured the reboot universe wasn't 100% it's own thing, just using the multiverse to start fresh. So hopefully they'll maybe take things back to the OG universe at some point. Hell, I'd be fine with just some high-production specials even. Maybe set them after Ben has finished school, and showing what he's going to do with his life.
Preferably ignoring relationship with Kai that was pushed in Omniverse, but I know that's wishful thinking after all the interference from the network
>Race against Time
Speaking of which, anyone else kinda wish they stuck with Ben's parents being weird hippies?
I find it funny they were more like caricatures in live action while in the cartoon they're pretty normal. But while I liked it in the movie I think it makes more sense for Ben's dad to be a bit of a square given his relationship with Max. Sandra being a hippie I'd be okay with though. Balances it out.
Max, Carl and Ben's dynamic vaguely reminds me of Rick, Jerry and Morty's. Even though the former came out before the latter obviously.
Eh not really. I think what they did with them in Alien Force is more interesting
Haven't gotten around to rewatching that one yet
>but we could do it,
How? Nukes are literally the only shot we have. Tetramands and Vaxasaurians easily shit all over 99% of any man made weapon.
We could probably take them in a war of attrition, just wait them out
I mean both Fourarms and Humungosaur have been seen to be put on their asses so if we just kept at them for a good while we could feasibly win
>He's a chronosapien who imprinted his consciousness in an omnitrix and used it to overwrite Ben's mind with his own, repeating the process across multiple timelines. at least that's what I think.
Isn't that just 5YL Eon?
>Isn't that just 5YL Eon?
Is it? I never looked into 5YL I love Kuro's YouTube Chanel tho?
You should check it out, it’s pretty good imo. But just a heads up it actually focuses on Danny Phantom, who’s pretty much the main character
>it actually focuses on Danny Phantom, who’s pretty much the main character
It's alright, I like Danny Phantom as well.
Cool cool just wanted to give you a heads up since it kinda threw me for a loop for a second, given that Kuro’s makes mostly Ben 10 content
>Makes a big deal of getting Ghostfreak back
>Never uses him again
Why
I originally thought alien force and omniverse recconed zaskar being a clone, but I think af zaskar is supposed to be clone two that escaped from the omnitrix somehow. That, or they didn’t think it through
There’s a theory that AF Z’Skayr is the original and the one that escaped in the original show is the copy. But it’s more likely the writers just weren’t paying attention or didn’t get the whole ectonurite “Staying alive through a stand of DNA thing”
Supposedly, Z'skayr was originally scanned by accident while he was possessing Wildvine's donor. None of the writers of any show elaborated on how that actually works or whether they even considered it canon. Nor was it ever really made clear whether scanning Ghostfreak would trap his mind EVERY time or if it was a fluke.
I like to think it was a fluke cause we see Ben is able to use Ghostfreak freely in UA/OV
The Z'skayr we know and love in the context of the original series was just a clone. There's a theory that the uncloaked ghostfrreak ben gets at the end of s3 of the os is the same one in af, but af writers treat him as the original and it seems they didn't know about the whole cloning aspect of ectonurites in the first place.
I don't know where you're getting this but it doesn't really matter. Z'skayr's lore was very poorly written and each new show just made it more confusing.
Like the whole plot point of him needing Ben's DNA.
>Like the whole plot point of him needing Ben's DNA.
He was just power hungry. He didn't need it for anything other than that.
No, the original episode implied his weakness to sunlight was a side effect of escaping the omnitrix. He needed to possess Ben so he could use it to make himself "whole".
That plot point was completely forgotten later on, it was just assumed sunlight was the natural weakness of his species.
Also it was kinda Z’Skayr’s fault for ripping off his, what I assume to be, protective membrane
Yes, but didn't seem like he knew it'd make him weak to the sun, though. Goes in hand with the idea that it wasn't natural.
Kek he just wanted to do it to look cool but it fricked him over
Maybe it was just meant to be a visual confirmation that he's back in the watch, not that Ben has access to him again. And if he did Ben was probably afraid to use him after that ordeal.
Is 5YL even good?
I never cared for it because:
>it's fanfiction
>it has other IPs I dont give a shit about
I think it’s pretty good, the art is great imo and Kuro has a good understanding of these characters when it comes to writing. The only problem I have with it is that the stakes keep getting higher and higher, with so many cuts to the villains and heroes either getting new powers or revealing new parts of their incredibly detailed plans. It worries me that there’s not going to be a satisfying ending that doesn’t feel like an asspull or deus ex machina
That is a common issue with most comics.
It's hard to know how to pull all the threads together when you want to edn off a story.
I don’t want to start rumors but maybe that’s why he’s doing the recalibrated thing, give himself some time to go back to the drawing board. But I haven’t checked on the comic in a while so I don’t know if it’s updated yet
What’re some moments that have always stuck with you for one reason or another. For me it’s Ben turning into Big Chill and saying to the albino(?) necrofriggians “I’m one of everyone”. It’s like a perfect encapsulation of both Ben’s character and the real purpose of the omnitrix since Ben is using it to relate to another species
It’s a shame that an alien with such a unique design was so underused
I remember seeing his silhouette in the Omnitrix in one of the finales and wondering who tf it was. But like some of the later OS aliens he didn't get much fanfare when he was introduced.
He'd be a cool one to see in CG or live action since his species are made of a lodestone mineral.
I wanna draw smut of this bawd but I'm still shit at drawing 🙁
Do it anyway
OH N-
why does vilgax keep manhandling heatblast
>Prepare the jar Levin!
Kek I love Coomergax
so why did animo give him the giant masturbation hand
See
I can’t believe the first movie used more aliens. At least they looked cool
For tv movies most of the aliens had pretty good CGI. Race Against Time Heatblast and Alien Swarm Humungosaur were the standouts to me.
I remember Diamondhead and Graymatter looking pretty good to. The only alien in RAT that looked iffy was Wildmutt, but hair physics is pretty hard to do.
I'm kind of surprised they used Wildmutt for RAT over Four Arms and XLR8. But I don't know if they included aliens based on popularity. Protector of Earth definitely chose it's aliens based on popularity except for Cannonbolt and Wildvine. Maybe they were included because they were the new aliens at the time the game released? I always liked Wildvine and Cannonbolt but I don't know if they're that popular.
Maybe they chose them based on how easy it was to make in cg. I can’t imagine making Fourarms would be easy with the other arms, and XLR8’s body type might not have translated well. I’d say Cannonbolt’s decently popular but Wildvine is definitely underrated, there’s a lot of versatility with his powers. And that Venus Flytrap head is killer too
Functionally Wildvine is kind of like a plant Spider-Man. In the game the sound effect for his swinging is actually the same one they used for Spidey's web slinging too. I always thought he was really cool and I can see why they put him in the game given his moveset.
>Plant Spider-Man
Never thought about it but that makes sense. He’s done the swinging thing before, even laughed himself using his vines. Makes me wish there was a game where you could play as every alien, maybe a mechanic where you have to make a list of 10 aliens to use per level
Maybe depending on the scenario you become a specific alien for a while in the level. It'd take away some of the fun if you don't get to choose in the story mode but there could be some kind of freeplay where you can turn into all of the mat while. Kind of like what lego games do.
Tbh a Lego Ben 10 game would be pretty cool.
A Lego game is probably the best way to get all of Ben's aliens into a single entry now that I think about it. Protector of Earth already had a bit of a Lego game vibe because of it's gameplay and structure.
Ben 10 would lend itself well to a Lego game. And those renders look really good dude
Yeah they're really well done for customs. I can imagine a Ben 10 Lego game with all of the show's aliens, maybe even across all the series. And you can have co op levels with Gwen, Max, Kevin and Rook who have abilities needed to solve specific puzzles.
Who knows. We got Lego Dimensions which had some WB/CN characters. A Lego Ben 10 game isn't impossible.
The Lego company or whoever is in charge of the games is potentially missing out on the big bucks man. With how dedicated the community is the game would sell like hot cakes
They did make Ben 10 Legos but they were these ugly things.
Oh shit I remember those I think I had the Big Chill one
I like that you can take the neck and shoulders piece and flip it inside out to make a cowboy hat.
Canonbolt is definitely popular. First alien used in Alien Force, used in every version of the show, part of the reboot ten and used in every season of that show. Plus it’s easy to plan action scenes around BALL.
>First alien used in Alien Force
That was Swampfire. Ben didn't regain any of his classic selection until near the end of the season 2 of AF.
Anon meant cannonbolt was the first non alien force alien used in alien force. Adding on to what he said though:
>also had an ultimate form in ua
Well the way he wrote that, it sounded like he meant the first to appear in the show.
Big Chill was impressive to, Nanomech though I’m not sure. It’s certainly unique but I much prefer his animated look
>because they could just go into our dreams, and convince us that seeing them is normal.
I haven't watched the show, but if that is how it works, then it wouldn't work. The moment I wake up I know what I just saw was fictional. Plus I know it happened while I was asleep. Plus even if something happens in a dream that seemed realistic, I know once I'm awake that it is wrong. Like, if someone were to give me a dream every night that Hitler was Jesus, I wouldn't suddenly start believing it just because it happens in my dreams.
You have more mental fortitude than anyone else in this thread
Remember Batbedo? Weird concept but pretty funny
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Fun comic and well drawn, but I do wonder if this isn't some fetish stuff.
>Makes a big deal out of unlocking anur aliens
>Uses each one precisely once
Why
gimmicks to sell toys or some shit
Because we can’t have nice things
where's my ripjaws love
anon, I don't know how to tell you this but he was the definitely the second worst of the original aliens
before you ask, Stinkfly is only worse than him because Ghostfreak can also fly
Stinkfly flies faster than ghostfreak on top of being stronger physically. (At least in the original sereis)
check'd and I guess that's fair, ghostfreak is eventually removed as well so it's kind of inevitable that ripjaws ends up as worst
it was kind of weird that stinkfly was the only alien that could really fly in the OS, probably why AS had two to start off
him being bad is why he was based
Somewhat
Fairy Ben makes me horni.
This thread’s not dying till bump limit damn it
Yes
>Your Jordan’s are fake Vilgax. Fake as frick
>And your wife is a furBlack person, Tennyson!
Favorite Ben AU? Canon or fan-made, either is good.
I liked the Max Ten one, where Gwen got magic, and Ben went with tech, like a mini Tetrax.
Max tried to hide his alien hero work from his grandkids as they travelled across country, and the kids hid their knowledge of what he was doing so they could help without him worrying about it
I didn't watch it much, but is Ben in Omniverse still a teenager, or did they make him a kid again? He still has his teenager voice, but he's so short and young looking, and I could never tell. I also think they reference stuff from Alien Force and Ultimate Alien, so I guess he's older in Omniverse than those other shows. So why couldn't they make him taller instead of giving him a kid's body?
He is older but there are a couple of episodes with flashbacks. Even one where him and his 11 year old self switch bodies
OV Ben looks like a teenager. He’s shorter than his partner, but then he was shorter than Kevin by a bit during AF as well. Seems like he’s just a manlet until he hits his stride in his 20s.
Ben has always been a tiny little bastard
He’s a tiny bastard until he finishes falling out of the puberty tree. Apparently all the branches he needs to hit are towards the bottom, since Adult Ben is like 6’4 and built like a brick shithouse
So how tall is Ben?
like 5'7 or something
possible shorter
I like Mad Ben he’s got a cool look with the Mad Max thing he’s got going on. And his aliens are the most stand out of the alternate Ben’s besides Ben 23. A second favorite would be Albedo if he counts
Frick you Ben
>That’s it Kevin you just lost hearing privileges!
YA ANTOJARON
>I should know by now that Kevin becomes unstable when mutating and he only did it to stop Aggregor… frick it I’m gonna kill him anyways
Well it did seem like there was almost no way to unmutate him, and he was going around killing people just for betraying him. Wasn't like Ben decided it just out of nowhere to axe Kevin before it got out of hand.
Though really, I was never too fond of the whole "Kevin's only evil when he absorbs too much energy/matter", felt kind of lazy
The show brings up a few times that when the omnitrix jumped onto Ben it’s because it was coded to Max’s DNA and Ben just happened to be the closest match. So wouldn’t that mean that even if Vilgax did get his hands on it, it wouldn’t even work?
Well it's made a point that while it has various safety features it can still be tampered with so while it might not work internally if given enough time a man with his resorces could find a way to crack it.
He just twists the dial for five minutes then just starts hitting it with a hammer
Hard to say. If Vilgax had managed to get it with no problem, he would probably be able to use it with little issue, but I could see the watch acting up when it senses Ben or Max nearby. Of course, it's one of those things that kinda came and went with the canon. I mean, Azimuth said the watch was basically for everyone, so that all races could walk in the footsteps of their universal brethtren, and that it simply Xylene's tinkering with the watch that led to it becoming a tool for Ben (even if she meant it for Max). Then you get to UAF, and suddenly Azimuth was told about Ben years ahead of time and it was all destiny and that shebang.
I see so it’s stupid. I always liked the idea that Ben just got lucky anyways
That's what happens when you have like a dozen people or something all trying to drive the same car. MoA was only on minor supervision duties with everything after the original series, since they were busy with GenRex, Ultimate Spider-Man, and some other projects. McDuffie tried his best, but clearly fell into his old habits with what he did using DC material, and we all know how Wyatt was a bit too much of a nostalgiagay for his own good.
Ben 10 is good but damn it could’ve been so much greater if there was a cohesive vision behind it or something like that
Yea, would be interesting to see if the OG series maybe gets an anime adaption like that Gwne 10 spinoff that's in the works.
i bet pesky dust has a fat wiener
If all the porn I've seen is accurate, then he most certainly does.
I wonder if it was intentional to have every first alien Ben turns into in classic to UA have fire powers. Heatblast, Swampfire, Ultimate Swampfire. The only one to break the trend is Omniverse
You can always count on Ghostfreak to have good fanart
Usually I don't like the omniverse designs too much but these little shits are so creative and appealing to my fetishes that they instantly became one of my favorites
Their voice is pretty funny too
I think OV has the best alien designs personally. They’re all very unique from each other, I especially like Astrodactyl and his built in jet pack
>You’d think that after being a human for so long Albedo would know a thing or two about being human
>You’d be wrong, most of his time was spent scheming or lamenting his lot in life
>Until he met Hope (Charmcaster if she didn’t like you)
>Now that he has a girlfriend he’s decided to make an effort to be a good partner
>There’s only one problem
Cont
>He’s never actually been in a relationship before
>Even before the accident, Albedo spent most of his time doing work with Azmuth so he never really had the time for one
>But like any scientist he decides to do research to be the “Ultimate Boyfriend”
>Maybe she’s right about his obsession with that word
>After a quick trip to a local bookstore he has what he believes to be the key to victory
>A book titled “250 Pick Up Lines”
>With such a piece of knowledge with him, Albedo knows he’ll sweep Hope off her feet
>At least, that’s his hypothesis, now he just needs to test it
Cont
>Thankfully they have a date that afternoon
>It’s a lot more low key than their first one from a few weeks ago
>No laying waste to a park with their powers, just relaxing at Albedo’s hideout
>With Hope’s attention drawn to the movie on his tv, Albedo readies himself to try a “pick up line” out
>“Hey Hope, are you tired? Cause you’ve been running around in my head all day.” Albedo says as confidently as he can
>“Huh?” she responds looking away from the movie
>Suddenly flustered Albedo blurts out “Nothing!” and turns back to the movie
>Experiment 1 was a failure but he won’t admit defeat
Cont
>As the evening goes on he tries a few more with the same result
>Her being oblivious and him being too flustered to explain himself
>It’s not until Hope is about to leave that she says “Are you sure your name’s Albedo? Cause I could’ve sworn it was ‘Mine’.”
>Albedo looking like a deer on the headlights exclaims “Wait, did you know what I was trying?!”
>“Well you weren’t exactly being subtle about it.” she says with a smirk
> A little crestfallen Albedo explains that he was trying to be more human for her which appears to not have worked in the slightest
>With a genuine smile this time she says “You don’t need to be more human for me babe, I don’t like because you look human, I like you for you. But thank you for trying for me.”
>After they say their goodbyes Albedo turns into Negative Heatblast and burns the book, vowing to be the “Ultimate Boyfriend” his own way
>Yeah Hope’s definitely right about his obsession with that word
If anyone has feedback about these before the thread’s nuked that’d be appreciated
it was a fun crackship
gj anon
Thanks to the both of you. This is mostly for fun and Albedo probably wouldn’t be into a relationship but I think him and Charmcaster would be cute together. If I write another one in a thread or two I’ll keep your suggestions in mind, I still want to be faithful to their characters as much as possible
Personally, I don't see Albedo as someone that would be in a relationship, but if that were to happen I don't think he would get flustered, maybe frustrated at himself and angry. But it was a fun read nonetheless.
Jesus look at the size of Vilgax’s arms he could bench press a large tank
All that galactic porn, dude!
Vilgax in the og show was something else
Most of season 1 ben just steamrolls every bad guy with relative ease, but then this fricking squid comes in and tanks every hit from every alien like they are made from pillows
And the fact that Ben had to unlock his most powerful alien at the time to get rid of him just made him seem like that much more of a threat
>says to kevin 11 that he is a little b***h with 1/10 of his power
>makes conqueror vilgax look like a joke
>is immune to eon's attacks
Name a better alien
>Name a better alien
Okay, Four Arms
>Name a better alien
Pesky Dust
I hope I don’t have to explain why an alien werewolf is cooler than a guy made of rocks
Diamondhead is one of the show's mvps
What did blitzwofer ever do?
Cause Kai's sexual awakening
Look cool
This guy over here, Werewolf with super howling is just too cool, even the omniverse version looks amazing Blitzerwolf is just peak design. same with BigChill, because i like to pretend is referencing Mothman
Thank you fellow Basedwolfer enjoyer
The Mothman vibes had to be intentional just look at them next to each other
Specially the one from Omniverse, seems to hunch and become more muscular to be more closer to Mothman
I hated this redesign.
Big Chill hit the wall after having like a dozen babies
>T. Kai
Ultimate Echo Echo
Based the only alien powerful enough to almost kill Ultimate Kevin
We're always talking about who's the best alien but what about who's the worst? I know where I'd cast my vote.
He’s just kinda boring
well played
He’s called the worst for a reason
Just how indestructable is he?
He could most likely survive anything but would feel the pain of it all
Imagine feeling the full power of a nuke on every aspect of your body but you can't die
Holy Shit
hmm
Pretty damn sturdy, but the downside is that he still feels pain, and can't breath underwater or in space. If Ben had an alien that could store power from absorbing attacks, if he used the fusion omnitrixes that Ben 10K has, he could probably make a pretty damn formidable alien fusion.
The Worst fused with anything would be formidable because you'd have the indestructability on an alien that could actually do something
That is if the fused half can negate the pain, or at least alleviate some of it. But yea, combined with the right alien, and Ben could probably rival some of his most powerful aliens like Alien X, at least in terms of raw might.
The harem episode had She-Worst literally walking through molten lava. I imagine The Worst is probably even more indestructible than that
Yea, it was just XLR8, but as a dude. A blue dude.
>Want to add cheese to your order?
heh
>Looks like Team Vilgax’s blasting off again!
YOUR ALIEN IS MADE OF LEGOS!
sadly
Damn I never noticed Bloxx’s jawline. Almost as good as Alien X’s
Yet, neither of them are match of Sentinel's.
I'd expect that name from Ben 23.
You know they would call him Legorilla if they had the rights
Omniverse gave a lot of aliens chad features as you would expect from Transformers Animated's character designer
Well your face is made of Mega Bloks!
First Hal and now Terry? Ben’s gonna have the entire DC universe against him pretty soon
Even Aquaman, the weakling freako?
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Benjamin Kirby Tennyson is the most Gary Stu OP character of fiction.
Even more than Superman.
I hate him, I liked the first ones but this I MAKE AN UNIVERSE FROM THIN AIR is just INSULTING.
It wasn't so much him making a universe out of nothing, but taking the matte of what had just been destroyed and forcing it back into the shape it previously had, with some changes
Are you talking about when Alien x remade the universe after the annihalarg blew it up? There's tons of fictional characters who can blow up universes. Blowing up universes doesn't make a character a gary stu or mary sue. Do you think Galactus is a gary stu? Or Grand Zeno in Dragon Ball Super? Or Zero Hour Hal Jordan?
>Galactus
is a Jobber and more of a plot device than character in most stories.
>Zero hour Hal
He's the big bad villain going against the entire DC universe in that event. After his city was destroyed, and he killed the GL corp. That's as far from a Gary Stu as possible because he was very flawed at that point.
Still not seeing how Ben's a Gary Stu just because he helped remake his universe. It's not like he can just do that any time, given he has to argue with a pair of godly autists just to get their shared alien body to even do shit.
I don't agree what he's a Gary Stu, either. He's got a very visible flaw with his ego.
Technically it wasn’t even Ben, it was Bellicus and Serena. All Ben did was ask them to “fix” the universe
Does it bother anyone else that when Ben revives the petrosapians they all look like Diamondhead? Like I get they’re rock people, but shouldn’t there be some kind of variation between all of them?
I just assumed it was lazy reuse of the modelsheets
AF did that sort of thing alot
Yeah that seems to be the case with UAF. Even though we see in Tetrax’s flashback other Petrosapians they do look different
I figured realistically they'd be all shapes, sizes and colors but the Tetrax looking variants are the more powerful of the bunch. Like all of Ben's aliens are like peak versions of their species.
It’s a little embarrassing to admit since I’m big into cryptids. But I never realized that the name of Shocksquatch’s species (Gimlinopithecus) is a reference to the Patterson-Gimlin footage.
God i hate so many of the Omniverse aliens
>Dude what if animal but alien??
>Dude what if fantasy creature but alien??
Wildmutt and Blitzwolfer
Wildmutt is an eyeless orange monster with echolocation gills and Blitzwolfer has weird mutant features like a quad jaw mouth
Well what OV aliens do you like
I'm surprised this thread actually made it to bump limit. It had tons of close calls. But it's been enjoyable nonetheless.