And I'm tired of pretending that's not what happens.
You are literally de-atomized and the data from before you were de-atomized is sent to another location where a copy of you is created from completely new atoms.
Anything else is just cope.
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I always thought about that.
Funny how only saw that shit in Resident Evil Revelations 2 where the original faces her clone
the prestige does it aswell
100% correct. Directly confirmed beyond all doubt in TNG: Second Chances and LOW: Kayshon, His Eyes Open.
From the perspective of the copy though it works perfectly
Nope. Otherwise they could beam you with the shields being up. Clearly an actual matter stream is being used rather than data only.
The shields block data streams, numbskull.
No it doesn't. Otherwise communication would've been impossible.
Comms are allowed to pass through a point in the shields.
>Transporters are allowed to pass through a point in the shields.
That's how it works. They can create a narrow opening in the shields if they have to so they can communicate. Same with transporters, that's how the Ent-E was able to beam Worf off the Defiant in First Contact even though they were still in a pitched battle with the Borg cube.
The no-transporters-through-shields rule ended with the TNG movies. Picard transports the USS Defiant's crew on board the 1701-E during the Borg cube battle near Earth without lowering the E's shields.
have you ever watched any star trek? shields don't block sensors, communications, etc
>Nope. Otherwise they could beam you with the shields being up. Clearly an actual matter stream is being used rather than data only.
This is an excellent point but it is entirely irreconcilable with the transporter duplication episodes. If there's only enough matter to make one Riker, a transporter malfunction can't make two.
Depends where the duplication takes place; if the matter stream is somehow duplicated between transporters, then the transporters itself didn't have any part in it.
Impossible because of the law of conservation of mass.
It's Star Trek. Think about a computer network hub, which duplicates all traffic. So if there's some quantum subspace flux capacitor bio relay between the transporters it would work.
>Think about a computer network hub, which duplicates all traffic.
If it duplicates, then it makes a copy. Therefore, whenever only one person comes out (which is 99.9999999% of the time) somebody died.
It's the quantum subspace flux capacitor bio relay that makes the perfect copy by duplicating all matter. The transporters just recieve a normal matter stream (that has been duplicated).
>It's the quantum subspace flux capacitor bio relay that makes the perfect copy by duplicating all matter. The transporters just recieve a normal matter stream (that has been duplicated).
If a duplicate is made, then there are two dudes. Only one emerges. Therefore one died.
Duh.
>If a duplicate is made, then there are two dudes.
Which is what happened... We have two Rikers:
So "transporter" copies are possible, but it's not the transporter that's the cause.
>Which is what happened... We have two Rikers:
Yes. That means in every transport where there's only one dude that comes out, SOMEBODY DIED.
The only four times that's ever not happened were when Riker and Boimler got duplicated and when Scotty and M'Benga's daughter were stored in pattern buffers and returned to their original location prior to transmission to a remote location.
>Yes. That means in every transport where there's only one dude that comes out, SOMEBODY DIED.
No, it means there was a matter transfer and duplication doesn't disprove that. You're arguing in circles.
What you're saying makes no sense. If a duplication occurs, then somebody necessarily dies.
Wut? No. If you copy a file the original still exists.
IF A DUPLICATION OCCURS, BUT ONLY ONE PERSON EMERGES AT THE END, THE OTHER PERSON NECESSARILY DIED
No offense but you are a 20 IQ moron for not understanding this.
You're assuming a priori that transporters duplicate people. They don't. They *transfer* you from A to B. Read the thread.
>You're assuming a priori that transporters duplicate people.
I'm not assuming shit. TNG plainly shows a transporter perfectly duplicate Riker. LOW plainly shows a transporter perfectly duplicate Boimler. TOS plainly shows a transporter imperfectly duplicate Kirk.
Now you're assuming it was the transporter that was causing that. Read. The. Thread.
Not to mention the transporters creator's son being the first to try it and getting trapped in space for a decade. Just screaming and trying to die and shit. Wasn't a clone of course, but was kind of like the Scotty thing, only not trapped in a buffer, just trapped in hell instead
>Yes. That means in every transport where there's only one dude that comes out, SOMEBODY DIED.
No, that's not how the tech works in Star Trek.
The Boimler/Riker accidents only occurred because of exogenous energy input into the transporter matter-energy stream. In normal transporter function, the target is broken down, and their matter-energy signal is transferred to the destination and reconstituted.
>This is an excellent point but it is entirely irreconcilable with the transporter duplication episodes.
The planet's energy field allowed for a second Riker, which is why there are no duplicates on any planets without the energy field.
>b-b-but duplicate Kirk
TOS is soft canon.
>TOS is soft canon.
What the actual frick did I just read?
>What the actual frick did I just read?
Whenever there was a canon contradiction between TOS and TNG Gene said that TNG is correct and TOS is not.
>Another thing that makes canon a little confusing. Gene R. himself had a habit of decanonizing things. He didn't like the way the animated series turned out, so he proclaimed that it was not canon. He also didn't like a lot of the movies. So he didn't much consider them canon either. And – okay, I'm really going to scare you with this one – after he got TNG [Star Trek: The Next Generation] going, he... well... he sort of decided that some of The Original Series wasn't canon either. I had a discussion with him once, where I cited a couple things that were very clearly canon in The Original Series, and he told me he didn't think that way anymore, and that he now thought of TNG as canon wherever there was conflict between the two. He admitted it was revisionist thinking, but so be it.
I am irate
That's new, anon. You are usually so cheerful.
Gene was losing his mind by that time so
You read a sad but painful truth.
Duplicate Kirk wasn't even a real duplicate. Kirk's existence split in two, with Duplicate Kirk taking Kirk's anger and associated emotions, with the other Kirk being left an indecisive mess.
>TOS is soft canon.
Tuvok would have had to have been twice the size of a normal humanoid.
It kind of ruins suspension of disbelief that the transporter has enough matter to create two Rikers
Barclay sees the souls of the crew trapped in the pattern buffer, as they're being ripped apart
I disavow
I am 40 with 2 kids and genuinely miss the time of my life where this kind of shit was an issue.
I don't want kids because I would love them so much that I know that I know it would consume and I would be overwhelmed with worry and fear every single day.
>get injured
>injury remains after transport
So no, you're still you.
It copies you from right before the process, injuries included, moron.
I don't think you understand anon.
Transporters deliberately copy injuries to keep up the illusion of continuity
why would you need mccoy, if you could copy away injuries or diseases
If it could copy away injuries or diseases it'd be an omnipotent healing machine first and a teleporter second. It'd need to understand what constitutes injury in the first place
>The axe wound between your leg is healed after transportation
>The axe wound between your leg is healed after transportation
Is this why there are no trannies in space?
>why would you need mccoy, if you could copy away injuries or diseases
Why don't they use the transporter to make people biologically immortal using the method in TNG: Rascals?
Live until you're 40, go get zapped back to 13. Live until you're 40, go get zapped back to 13. Shampoo rinse repeat forever. You would be biologically immortal. You could still die from getting murdered or crushed by a barrel or something but otherwise you'd be immortal.
>You would be biologically immortal
It's not you though. it's a clone. A never-ending society of the same people over and over again. Isn't this the npc meme / plot of Æon Flux?
>It's not you though. it's a clone.
Rascals doesn't show clones. Picard is 85 or whatever one second then 13 the next.
Because then they'd have to accept that it murders you every time
That's the whole point of the movie The Fly. If the machine doesn't re-create you perfectly then you come out looking like a mangled up freak.
Are there really people that deny this?
Yes atheists who believe in souls
The soul is moved over when the original is killed (along with all the sins)
It's only when the original isn't killed that it's an affront to god.
Atoms can story memories?
And if they are getting "deatomized" the why don't they feel pain?
They do
homie Barclay was only seeing weird transporter worms or something. Nobody was getting torn apart and even if they were, transporters are such a kino idea. Imagine having to use shuttles like gay ass Star Wars. Fuuuuuuuck off
The atoms in your brain are storing memories right now, moron. What do you think your brain is made of? Tachyons?
In ENT they have the inventor of the transport appear and he said thta some people thought they would be killed an dreplaced with a weird clone. He laughed it off but didn't elaborate though.
>He laughed it off but didn't elaborate though.
>the vaccines are 100% safe even though we really have no idea if they are or not
They stream the matter
It’s mentioned often
Data can go through shields, like communications but not a transporter matter stream
Unless geordi works some techno babble stuff
Nope. The Barclay transporter episode confirms that the transporters don't kill you, as seen with Barclay not losing consciousness in the transporter for a single second, and how he was able to grab people while being transported and pull them out of the transporter.
>The Barclay transporter episode confirms that the transporters don't kill you, as seen with Barclay not losing consciousness in the transporter for a single second
If the transporter does kill and copy you, the process would seem seamless to the copy who would have no perception of being a copy. He would have all the memories of the original and from his perspective the process would be continuous.
When coupled with being able to move while being transported, and grab people it confirms that nobody dies when transported.
>When coupled with being able to move while being transported, and grab people it confirms that nobody dies when transported.
Doesn't confirm anything. That's entirely consistent with both theories.
>That's entirely consistent with both theories.
It isn't. If the transporter kills you and reconstitutes you on the other side then it would be impossible to grab people within the transporter.
Our cells are constantly dying and being remade. Continuance was always an illusion. Humans are verbs not nouns. We're like rivers; we recognise the shape, not the material thats flowing within. All a transporter does is redirect the flow. Now you can have peace.
What the frick is a verb?
You know how some people identify with pronouns? Some have evolved to identify with proverbs. My sexual identities are "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting"/"Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt"
Ackshuallë, the neurons in your brain aren’t constantly dividing and dying. They tend to last the entirety of your life after they are made.
That's an old misconception.
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have they ever addressed that in an episode? Like there's one character who refuses to use a transporter and Kirk and Spock are just like "quit being such a baby and let us kill you and make an exact copy of you elsewhere. We do it every day."
There's characters who don't like transporters. Though it's more because they're afraid that they won't make it to the other side.
>we will never have a Star Trek story that follows the life of that one officer who refuses to ever use the transporter, only to slowly realize over the years that he's been working with nothing but copies that now populate most of the Federation and have been slowly, subtly changed over time into something ever more hollow and soulless that are now starting to see him as an entity that doesn't belong, something that emits a spark which none of them possess because they undergo a repeating process of entering and blinking out of existence, their emptiness in turn registering with him in a way that becomes increasingly unsettling the more apparently he perceives it
After the first time, they often report not being able to hear their own thoughts, just a mental silence. After awhile they stop questioning and eventually forget about it all together. They have to improve themselves after all, as all humanity does, and who needs the distraction?
kino idea. write a script
McCoy, Pulaski, and Barclay are the three transporter-hesitant characters.
In TMP, Kirk mocks Bones for being afraid to transport literally an hour after the Enterprise transporters horrifically mutilated and killed the science officer and another officer, which Kirk personally witnessed.
>which Kirk personally witnessed
You mean Kirk-1 personally witnessed. Kirk-1 used the transporter between scenes. Current Kirk has no memory of the event.
>In TMP, Kirk mocks Bones for being afraid to transport literally an hour after the Enterprise transporters horrifically mutilated and killed the science officer and another officer, which Kirk personally witnessed.
I always laugh my ass off at that.
it also happenes every time you sleep
>it also happenes every time you sleep
It doesn't because the stream of consciousness never really ends and your atoms aren't all replaced at once.
You consciousness die every time you sleep and is replaced by a copy of it. You cant prove otherwise.
Just don't sleep
Your consciousness and memories are the structure of your brain which remains intact when you sleep. There is also some small level of brain activity that remains while you sleep. It isn't a total power down.
>stream of consciousness never really ends
How do you know that?
Because I dream.
What if you were unable to wake from that dream?
No, it doesn't. You are a continuation of both conscious and unconscious processes. Just because you are unconscious it doesn't mean you "die".
No it doesn't.
>This kills you
"You" are literally the result of a very specific configuration of matter. If the transporter reassembles that matter in the exact same way, "you" will continue existing.
No it does not.
Look at it from the rest of the universe's perspective. It started with one (you) and at the other end it still has one (you) that acts the same way. Therefore as far as the universe is concerned, nothing has changed, and nobody gives a frick that it's not the real (you) in any sense.
It's like Rick and Morty logic, but that's pretty much how it would pan out IRL as long as what came out acted like (you).
If a tree gets duplicated in the forrest, but there's nobody around to see it, did that tree really get duplicated?
>It started with one (you) and at the other end it still has one (you) that acts the same way.
Not always.
We have two Rikers and two Boimlers. Kirk was also pseudo-duplicated in TOS: The Enemy Within.
Why do you cartoon watching manchild homosexuals have to insert your cartoon trek parodies in to every conversation?
>LE BOILMET HAS LE CLONE TOO!!!
It's a fricking rick and morty esque parody, they always run around speaking with 2020's slang, referencing trek things.
>DUDE LET'S GO IN THE HOLODECK AND DRINK SOME ROMULAN ALE!!!
fricking >>>Cinemaphile stay there
>referencing trek things
how are they "referencing trek things" when it's literally a trek show telling trek stories in the trek universe?
It's a parody and every episode is in reference to the live action trek shows.
>le packleds dumb xD
>boimler grab your BAT'LETH, we're being invaded by BORGZ!!!!!
If this is true, how does anyone ever actually "die" in the star trek universe? if someone dies off ship can't you just load up a version of them from the last time they used the transporter so you don't lose that crew members skillset? if there is a really stressful medical situation and everyone is sick could you just have your ship doctor go into the transporter and make addition versions of themselves to handle the extra work?
>just turn your brain off lmao
this is your high-brow science fiction bro
>go into the transporter and make addition versions of themselves to handle the extra work?
The other way around makes for a good SF horror story: if society is low on resources do we kill people and just create the again when resources become available? How do we determine who gets killed? I think there's a Stargate SG1 episode about this.
So people with valuable skillsets, but that aren't useful at the moment due to resource scarcity get loaded into the database and killed off until humanity reboots itself? interesting, but what if by the time the earth has recovered people forgot where the database is, what it does, and how to even use it.
>Stone henge is actually a huge hard drive with thousands of 200+ IQ giga chads on it
actually semen is a much better data storage (capacity wise) so it's more likely that humanity will be loaded into a sperm bank
>in the far future, human's schematic is highly valuable, causing sperm bank to be targetted. Brazen bank robbers are known to drink gallons of semen before having the data surgically removed later.
QRD on sperm tech data storage? how would you guarantee that the person you recreated with this method would have the same skillset, even if you did manage to perfectly copy them on a genetic level? what if you got the version of Leonardo da Vinci that just wants to take bath salts and scream at trees?
The sperm data storage isn't going to be just regular human sperm, sperm here is just used as a "thumbdrive" with much greater capacity than silicon.
As for a perfect copy, that's already assumed that we can already perfectly analyze/store the human inside and outside (an assumption already satisfied by the existence of the teleporter), so it's just a matter of encoding them into semen.
Interesting, but it might be a problem if we are talking about using it for long term storage of important individuals during a period of global unrest due to lack of resources. You would need pretty considerable cold storage, and some people that protect it and keep the power running and check the integrity of the data regularly while humanity reboots itself.
>You will never be born into an ancient order of sperm guardians
>Sasha Grey is the most sought after storage device of the 24th century
>Sasha Grey, known by some as the "Library of Alexandria", others as the "Akashic Records"
FUND IT
>people with valuable skillsets
>Africa just disappears every couple of centuries to suddenly appear again
>The world map is never really a map of our actual world
Would watch a SF series about this.
I remember short sci fi story where "teleportation" was just cloning, it malfunctioned and hero on earth and his copy on other planet were both alive at same time.
This is basically the teleporter in Gantz, which actually shows that it clones people and erases the original. In fact drama happened in Gantz because the machine spazzed out and didn't kill the original once, result in cloning.
the transporter transports the actors to a different set via a fade out, so they don't have to use a transport shuttle set or visual effect
Partypooper
The “You” is the configuration of molecules. If the structure is the same it’s the same person.
>The “You” is the configuration of molecules. If the structure is the same it’s the same person.
William and Thomas Riker are different people.
Bradward and William Boimler are different people.
Are they identical twins? Memories are part of that structure too, anon.
>Are they identical twins? Memories are part of that structure too, anon.
They are absolutely identical and have the exact same memories.
>have the exact same memories
From the moment they come into being, they don't.
Had to take a visit to the Star Trek wiki. From what I’ve seen, I’d say they were the same person at the moment of duplication, but immediately diverged as they formed new differing memories and experiences.
>had to run away and read copes of other fanboys
Star Trek is cosmic horror series
>God exist but it's just bunch of butthole aliens who love tormenting lower forms of life including humans
Frick Q
>had to run away and read copes of other fanboys
>other
I have never seen a Star Trek episode.
What if there is two (you)s? who is real one?
They are equally real, (you)’ve just branched into two versions.
>this fricks you up by accidentally mixing a foreign lifeforms with you at a genetic-molecular level
What do you think happens when you sleep?
PROTIP: There is no (you).
What (you) call (you) is a ongoing complex chemical reaction that takes itself way to seriously and thinks it's somehow special.
Your perception that (you) are "conscious" is a self-generated illusion, a fake continuity generated in your brain. In a similar way to how your brain "stitches" together the two images from each eyeball to give (you) a continuous "3D" perception of the room around (you) right now. Most of it is bullshit created from memory because you can only see most of it in peripheral vision. Also your brain erases your nose from your vision unless you specifically try to look at it, along with your blind spots created by the optic nerves at the back of your retinas, etc. The colours you see don't exist out there, they don't "exist" at all. They are bullshit made up in your own mind in response to different wavelengths of light. Your sensory perceptions are full of so much bullshit it's literally unreal and should not be confused with reality.
Likewise (you) don't really exist either. (You) only think (you) do. That's why (you) run into apparent paradoxes, logical conflicts, and confusion when it comes to this kind of shit.
Solution: Get over yourself.
What comes out the other end of the transporter is not really (you), but neither were (you) when (you) stepped into it.
Hence, there is no problem or existensial crisis in using a transporter. Also no defining line for sentience when it comes to artificial intelligence, etc. Data the android is as "sentient" as (you) are, because neither of you are in the first place, and there was never any magical threshold to cross into so-called "sentience".
'sup Derrida?
Have sex
The truth hurts.
Good thing for your that butthurt isn't actually real either, (you) only think it is.
This is some schizo shit, anon.
Nope. You're just self-deluded and can't see outside of the delusion you're in.
So it's like trying to explain to a true Christian belieber that they don't have a soul because souls don't exist, and there's no reason to think you'd need a ghost like that in the machine to explain what we are.
You’re saying this like you’re speaking the truth or facts when this is entirely unproven, it just sounds scientific but there’s not a lot of evidence for it and a lot of evidence to the contrary
>reddit spacing
didn't read
newbies always b***h about reddit spacing.
Reddit spacing was never a real thing, it’s something people made up to make newer Cinemaphileners like yourself look moronic by having everyone post giant text blocks.
And then complain about your "wall of text".
There's an obvious reason paragraphs exist in the first place. Only 140 character tweet homosexuals complain about it anyway because any thought longer than a bumper sticker slogan confuses them.
Also I was typing this way long before homosexual Reddit even existed and I've never used it. Twitter either and for the same reason, they both look fricking moronic.
>kills you
Nope, you are still the same living, breathing, sentient creature that you were before you went into the thing. You need to stop spreading disinformation and trust the science.
Even if this kills you, you would probably not even realize you died anyway
nice thread
>troony hormones kills you and creates a perverted fake female copy
>And I'm tired of pretending that's not what happens.
>You are literally no more yourself than if your dead body was buried in a Pet Semetary and a troon zombie came back.
>Anything else is just cope.
Absolute truth. The only "good" teleport is ripping a hole through fabric of space. Although it has problem of it's own
*rips a hole through ur pants and teleport my wiener through it*
Just the wiener? Than I feel that would be more painful for you than me
There are so many Reddit-tier posts in this thread.
^ reddit post
Reddit right back at ya
You're supposed to say "Double Reddit on you".
Nah
>the teleporter is buggy
>1% of the time the copy is unstable, it experiences consciousness for a brief second before its cells disintegrate
>1% of the time the copy comes with a malignant cancer tumor
>1% of the time both the original and the copy are erased with no possibility of recovery
>1% of the time the copy comes out seemingly healthy, but with fake memories
Lmao at individualist homosexuals having an existential crisis ITT. It literally doesn’t matter weather you or an identical clone lives your life, the same lessons are learned, the same legacy is made, nothing changes.
(You) still die though.
it's literally the opposite situation of the quantum Russian roulette. (You) die but nobody else is affected other than (You), not even your friends and family since a perfect copy is still there.
Yes but you only matter in how you affect to the world around you. Those relations are unchanged, so death via transporter doesn’t matter.
>And I'm tired of pretending that's not what happens.
it's not disputed, everyone knows this and the characters have referenced it many times. Stop getting emotionally affected by star trek you fricking weirdo
What LEGO kit is this?
tng
Was it Crusher who chose to use shuttles over transporters for this exact reason?
"You" is just a brain configuration.
Your mom is just a prostitute configuration
No. Your atoms are converted into energy, and then this energy-matter stream is rebuilt at the other end of the transport. You are not being rebuilt with new atoms, you are not a copy.
The Star Trek transporter is more like breaking down a complete Lego set, moving it somewhere else, and rebuilding the same building from the same pieces.
This still kills you, it just resurrects you after.
No, in one TNG episode, Barclay is able to remain conscious throughout the transporter process. And regardless of whether or not it "kills" you and resurrects you or not, it certainly isn't producing a copy at the other end,
Conciousness isn't relevant. Something is dead when it used to be alive but no longer is. A living person is alive. A stream of matter energy isn't, regardless of purported consciousness. Therefore it kills you. The human at the other end is also alive, and is therefore resurrected, not cloned.
Same way a drowned man has died but can be brought back and can report memories or consciousness during the time he was dead.
>Same way a drowned man has died but can be brought back and can report memories or consciousness during the time he was dead.
If he has been "brought back" then he wasn't dead. If he has memories or consciousness during the time his heart stopped or whatever, then it just proves that his brain activity hadn't ceased.
Death in humans is defined as the stoppage of cardiovascular and resperatory functions. It takes a few seconds for this to even be noticeable on a living person, and minutes before permanent brain damage occurs.
The easiest way to remember is if you're using CPR or an AED it's on a corpse. They don't do any good on the living.
It's cutting and pasting, just because it deletes the original after copying it doesn't make the copy the original and not still a copy
Continuous consciousness clearly cannot be cutting or copying.
If you deconstruct a Lego set, go to your friend's house with the pieces and reassemble the Lego pieces into the same configuration as before, you haven't "destroyed" or "deleted" the original Lego set and created a copy.
You've just transported it.
You may have similar bricks rotated or placed differently. It would look and feel the same, but not be identical to it's original form.
You've destroyed the original form, and rebuilt it in a way that appears the same to a casual observer.
It would be impossible for a third party to look at a picture of your lego set in your house, and that same set in your friends house, and say "these are the same set". Your friend could just own the same set and have built it identically to you. The original is still destroyed, but most people don't really give a shit if this is the first time a lego set has been built.
People care a LOT more about being disintegrated and rebuilt.
>You've destroyed the original form, and rebuilt it in a way that appears the same to a casual observer.
No, you haven't. You've just moved it from one place to another. It's not a copy, or a reproduction, it's the exact same Lego set made from the exact same pieces.
How so? Both Lego structures are made from the exact same bricks as each other, in the exact same configuration.
If you assemble a piece of furniture in your house, then you take it apart to move home, you haven't destroyed your furniture and created a copy in your new house. You've just transported your furniture.
>I'm tired of pretending
Does anyone remember that one star trek movie were a couple people telephoned and they died horrifically? I remember an anon posting an excerpt from the novelization and it was the most grotesque imagining of the situation. Any anon remember it by chance?
Phoneposters OUT!
We ended this decade ago.
Neat cartoon, but in the Star Trek universe, this isn't how transporter technology works.
If that was true Star fleet would hae printed a million Datas and would have them in cold storage to be used as shock troops and high risk ship crews.
To be fair they held a kangaroo court over Data and determined they couldn't treat him as an object.
Section would have done it in a heartbeat.
When the transported duplicated Kirk, where did the matter for the two Kirks come from?
When the transported duplicated Riker, where did the matter for the two Rikers come from?
TOS is soft canon.
Duplicate Riker was only possible through that planet's unique energy field (the one that the scientists were researching). That's why there are no duplicates on planets without that energy field.
>this makes humanities majors shit on the floor and piss all over their chairs and fart their pants
The machine doesn't work
You know, except for maybe the atoms in your teeth every single particle in your body gets replaced every couple of years? Since we are "mostly water" that is replaced completely in less than a week. All your cells are dying and being replaced constantly. Even the calcium in your bones in being washed away and replaced even as you sit here shitposting.