TMNT 2014. >Splinter learns to fight from a book. >"ERMM SPLINTER LEARNED TO FIGHT FROM A BOOK?

TMNT 2014
>Splinter learns to fight from a book
>"ERMM SPLINTER LEARNED TO FIGHT FROM A BOOK? THAT'S SO DUMB!"

TMNT: MUTANT MAYHEM
>Splinter learns to fight from movies
>"THIS MOVIE ROCKS! THE TURTLES ACTUALLY FEEL LIKE TEENAGERS! JACKIE CHAN IS A BELOVED TREASURE!"

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Both are stupid. It's called teenage mutant ninja turtles.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Shills will stoop to any level to protect their beloved slop, gaslighting is one of the most common.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >shills
        >slop
        >gaslighting
        Do you know what any of those words mean, or did you just think your homosexualy outrage would make people overlook your buzzwords and rush to agree with you?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sadly due to whoever owns TMNT if you haven't noticed the TMNT have been retconned to be LESS ninja like with each new incarnation. The latest one, Mutant Mayhem, is about the turtles aspiring to be normal teens who go to school and socialize. I can't believe this nonsense. Not even Sonic the Hedgehog when he became horrid with the dark era games did he fully lose his identity. Sonic has never stopped being a dude who likes roaming the world to find adventures of some kind.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        There's a kind of simple-minded narcissism to it.
        >why are these mutant turtles not JUST LIKE ME?
        >Why don't they act normal and do fortnite dances like me?
        >Why don't they know ANIME??
        >Why are teenage characters not on the tiktok?????
        >which plastic kpop boy would each turtle stan??? I must know because I cannot related to characters who are not like me

        Doesn't help that the sort of people who keep saying the new turtles are like real teens don't like and haven't watched anything TMNT in their lives. Like every fricking review I saw praising that movie slips in a like like
        >I haven't kept up with TMNT, but THIS MOVIE IS THE BEST TMNT THING THEY'VE EVER MADE

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >There's a kind of simple-minded narcissism to it.
          Oh, the irony.

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    and rat splinter learned martials arts before he was a giant mutant rat
    it's all stupid bullshit and why the turtles should get a real sensei or just recycle cartoon splinter

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      amazing how the 80s and 2012 cartoons had the most plausible Spliter, a human with decades od experience on martial art that got mutated into a giant rat.
      why is this not the normal canon for the TMNT??

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        2012, IDW, and Rise did it too.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          He mentioned 2012.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >why is this not the normal canon for the TMNT??
        Because the Mirage comics and 90's movie had it the other way first.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        mainly because it confuses just what the ooze does, and because when they go with rat Splinter it's usually not a normal rat

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ooze/Mutagen has the capability to hybridize human and animal DNA and bring them to a anthropomorphic middle ground. Turns humans and animals into animal-people. Clear enough.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >mainly because it confuses just what the ooze does,
          >Combines your dna with that of the last thing you touched

          >Turtles touched a human, become humanturtles
          >Hamato Yoshi touched a rat, become rat person
          >Bebop touched a warthog and Rocksteady touched a rhino

          This isn't complicated.

          >But super-Shredder
          Nobody knows what the frick was going on there

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Super Shredder was just a thing invented by the 2nd TMNT movie to have something exciting happening in the third act.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >mainly because it confuses just what the ooze does,
              >Combines your dna with that of the last thing you touched

              >Turtles touched a human, become humanturtles
              >Hamato Yoshi touched a rat, become rat person
              >Bebop touched a warthog and Rocksteady touched a rhino

              This isn't complicated.

              >But super-Shredder
              Nobody knows what the frick was going on there

              >Super Shredder
              He touched Superman, duh.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >>But super-Shredder
            >Nobody knows what the frick was going on there
            Clearly the last thing he touched was himself, so he became a double shredder.

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yea that double standard pissed me off too

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Blame the insane hateboner people have for Michael Bay. People hate him so much you'd think he voted Republican

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I liked Bay's turtles. Should've casted other people for April and Casey though.

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    OR I think both are shit.
    I think we've had this conversation numerous times a year ago, but I'll just repeat what I said then instead of digging out my posts from the archives.
    Aside from Turtles being actual ninjas and not Tiktok zoomers, Shredder and Hamato Yoshi (and through him Splinter, and through him Shredder) being trained by the same organization builds an unspoken personal connection between the Turtles and Shredder even without the whole circle of vengeance thing.
    In a way Shredder and Foot Clan are also a part of the family. A fricked up kind of family, but a family nonetheless. And yes, I absolutely think 2003 fricked this up too.
    Without that connection, Shredder is just some generic evil butthole which is what Bay's Shredder was. Which is what Mutant Mayhem sequel will most likely do.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      *and through him Turtles
      I may need to see a doctor about that sleep deprivation.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Splinter-Shredder/Hamat-Foot connection is one of those things that works so well and naturally elevates the story so easily that it's unbelievably stupid whenever someone tries to force some wacky new twist on it.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      If they have shredder wreck their shit in the beginning of the film and meet his rival hamato yoshi who then trains them properly before being killed by shredder I think it would salvage them.

      As of right now they are teenage mutant turtles not ninjas, if they just have them beat him with out training it really utrom look moronic “they beat a giant mutant genius fly monster better send a ninja to kill them”

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's a band-aid, at best, for a storyline that already established that the only thing the characters actually want is to be normal.

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've been saying it for a while, but Mutant Mayhem took all the mediocre ideas from Bay-TMNT and made them worse. Damned near everything about MM is ripped off from the first Bay TMNT

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Them getting captured, placed side by side and having their shit drained was oddly on the nose with how similar it was.
      Also ending a kids movie with Donny basing a plan off of Attack on Titan was fricking weird after the ending that series got.

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    learning from a book makes sense

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      More sense than watching Jackie Chan movies, at minimum. The Bay Turtles also lean way more heavily into them being super powered. They're absurdly strong and agile and bulletproof, too. They studied a book and trained really hard on purpose. It's not great. Would definitely be better if Splinter was a human who got mutated, but it's the lesser of two evils.

      At least Mutant Mayhem looked like it was supposed to be ugly on purpose.

      Looking ugly on purpose still means it's ugly.

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    At least Mutant Mayhem looked like it was supposed to be ugly on purpose.

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    both are bad movies but mutant mayhem is slightly less ugly and it has the spiderverse style so it's praised

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"THIS MOVIE ROCKS
    Yeah, no. That movie sucked too.

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Splinter and Hamato Yoshi being the same dude is the only choice that gives Splinter proper training that wouldn't result in the Turtle's training ending up like a game of telephone.
    So both are dumb.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Splinter and Hamato Yoshi being the same dude is the only choice that gives Splinter proper training that wouldn't result in the Turtle's training ending up like a game of telephone
      While I agree this is probably the best choice, because in addition to the aforementioned training it also helps to explain why Splinter is helping them become human and is able to show them being a mutant doesn't make them less of a person, the rat who learns kung fu by watching his master who is killed by the Shredder works fine as a more personal revenge story more commonly associated with Wuxia. "You Killed my master and now my student must take revenge' is far and away one of the more common tropes of the genre this borrows heavily from, and since we're dealing with mutations turning turtles into people then it makes sense their master is an animal with human traits. Thing is the latter really only works for one-off stories, like the first live action movie. Once the master is avenged and the killer slain there's really nowhere else to go with it, while a human who became a monster trying to teach monsters to be more human is a plotline that is prime for dozens of unique and different tales.

      Both movies OP are talking about somehow managed to frick both of these up.

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is why Hamato Yoshi = Splinter is always the best choice. Not only does it make the most sense in that it explains perfectly how a giant rat would know martial arts, real martial arts not just phoned in, it adds a juxtaposition to the turtles being animals who became men by having a man who became an animal, anti-mutagen plots are much more interesting when the turtles are looking for a cure for splinter knowing the risk it poses to them.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      the 2012 take on Splinter convinced me that the Hamato Yoshi Splinter route is the correct one.

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I know I saw the 2014 movie, but I don't remember much about it except that people made fun of the way the turtles looked.

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    somehow the MM turtles looked uglier than Bayturtles and I liked the Bayturtles designs.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's because they're so much less confident in every way. They're small and gangly and clumsy, while the Bay Turtles are fricking huge and know perfectly well that they can kick ass.

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    nobody watched the 2014 version everyone ignored it when they learned it was Michael Bay doing it

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Both movie were relatively successful, actually. Bay's TMNT movies were both more profitable than Mutant Mayhem

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Bay's TMNT movies were both
        >both
        They made two of them?!

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          TMNT Out of the Shadows has an even worse plot, but far better action.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          TMNT Out of the Shadows has an even worse plot, but far better action.

          It had Rocksteady, Bebop, Kraang and the Technodrome... what a waste.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe the absolute best versions of Bebop and Rocksteady in any TMNT media, too. Human and Mutant.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're full of shit, the second movie flat out bombed. Both Bay films also had WAY bigger budgets than Mutant Meyhem, while MM made 180m on a 70m budget.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Budget $135 million
          >Box office $245.6 million
          It did fine for a sequel to a movie everyone supposedly hates.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I watched it with a girl I had a crush on at the time, I had made out with her at a party before that. She was staying the night at my house and we were laughing too loudly at the movie and my dad came into my room and freaked out on us, ruined the mood and it never recovered. Probably for the best honestly, but whenever I think of the michael bay tmnt movies, I think of getting wienerblocked by my dad

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Who the frick said that besides Rogen shills?

  18. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
  19. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think people judged both movies completely on how Splinter learned how to to fight.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      People complained about the book thing a shit ton

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        The book thing was a minor complaint compared to the trainwreck that was Eric Sacks being last-second rewritten to not be the Shredder.

  20. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    real question, is anyone actually interested in the new series?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I hate the zoomer turtles already, but the animation looks bad and the humor looks especially dumb. The only saving grace is that it will be short as not even Paramount seems all that confident in the staying power of the MM turtles.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >it will be short as not even Paramount seems all that confident in the staying power of the MM turtles
        this was a two-season greenlight lmao; they also just dated the MM sequel for october 2026. on the contrary i'd say paramount are putting all their eggs on that basket lol

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Every straight to streaming show is one season presented as two seasons. Velma got greenlit for a "second season" too, remember?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            fair enough, although i don't think that "second season" you mention ever got out. was it silently scrapped or is it a separate production altogether?

            back to turtles, news came out today that the director just signed an overall first-look deal with paramount while rogen's production company did the same in january. you could still say they're betting big on these guys, two first-look deals for people related to the same project is a huge deal

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Velma Season 2 is out some time this year, apparently.

              As for the deals they're cutting, I don't find it that surprising considering Paramount mostly just has to squat on the TMNT IP and wait for it to print money like it always has. They had far bigger plans and wanted the movie out much sooner, but covid (and general incompetence going by interviews) dragged out the release of Mutant Mayhem by several extra years. I don't think they're making some meaningful show of trust and confidence as much as they're just looking to keeping TMNT in the public eye. Rowe and Rogen play nice with Hollywood. When the strikes were happening, they kept their mouths shut and stayed out of that conversation. It sounds like they just want to shit something out. At best, the studio trusts them to just make something that will do okay enough to keep moving merch.

              At the same time, they quadrupled down on IDW's TMNT comics despite those being an inconsistent mess over the last 5 years. At the same time, they went and cut a deal with a notoriously awful game studio to make a Last Ronin game and that studio just axed half it's employees. These aren't the business decisions of a company that has concrete plans for the future of TMNT.

  21. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm more of a Battletoads guy myself.
    I'm sad they never got the same amount of mainstream success the Ninja Turtles got
    I really do believe they could be the Sonic to the Ninja Turtles' Mario, or the Looney Tunes to The Ninja Turtles' Mickey Mouse and Friends
    They have the proper lore and world building that can be expanded upon if given to the right artist.

  22. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
  23. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It always amazes me how fanboys get butthurt over the stupidest things imaginable

  24. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why the frick aren't the OG TMNT movies and TMNT on Paramount+? They advertise it as such yet I can't find them anywhere. Trying to watch each of the TMNT series but it doesn't feel right without seeing the movies as well

  25. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >one is ugly as all frick and terrible
    >the other is fun and stylish
    Mind shattering.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I wouldn't call the Bay movies stylish, but the action scenes were fun, at least. Skip all the stuff with April and Verne dicking around and you've got some solid Mutant action.

  26. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody here fricking likes either

  27. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bayverse movies were good

  28. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    At least it's less gay than making him human.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The frick are you talking about? That's the only thing that improves Splinter.

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