TMNT 2014
>Splinter learns to fight from a book
>"ERMM SPLINTER LEARNED TO FIGHT FROM A BOOK? THAT'S SO DUMB!"
TMNT: MUTANT MAYHEM
>Splinter learns to fight from movies
>"THIS MOVIE ROCKS! THE TURTLES ACTUALLY FEEL LIKE TEENAGERS! JACKIE CHAN IS A BELOVED TREASURE!"
Both are stupid. It's called teenage mutant ninja turtles.
This. Shills will stoop to any level to protect their beloved slop, gaslighting is one of the most common.
>shills
>slop
>gaslighting
Do you know what any of those words mean, or did you just think your homosexualy outrage would make people overlook your buzzwords and rush to agree with you?
Sadly due to whoever owns TMNT if you haven't noticed the TMNT have been retconned to be LESS ninja like with each new incarnation. The latest one, Mutant Mayhem, is about the turtles aspiring to be normal teens who go to school and socialize. I can't believe this nonsense. Not even Sonic the Hedgehog when he became horrid with the dark era games did he fully lose his identity. Sonic has never stopped being a dude who likes roaming the world to find adventures of some kind.
There's a kind of simple-minded narcissism to it.
>why are these mutant turtles not JUST LIKE ME?
>Why don't they act normal and do fortnite dances like me?
>Why don't they know ANIME??
>Why are teenage characters not on the tiktok?????
>which plastic kpop boy would each turtle stan??? I must know because I cannot related to characters who are not like me
Doesn't help that the sort of people who keep saying the new turtles are like real teens don't like and haven't watched anything TMNT in their lives. Like every fricking review I saw praising that movie slips in a like like
>I haven't kept up with TMNT, but THIS MOVIE IS THE BEST TMNT THING THEY'VE EVER MADE
>There's a kind of simple-minded narcissism to it.
Oh, the irony.
and rat splinter learned martials arts before he was a giant mutant rat
it's all stupid bullshit and why the turtles should get a real sensei or just recycle cartoon splinter
amazing how the 80s and 2012 cartoons had the most plausible Spliter, a human with decades od experience on martial art that got mutated into a giant rat.
why is this not the normal canon for the TMNT??
2012, IDW, and Rise did it too.
He mentioned 2012.
>why is this not the normal canon for the TMNT??
Because the Mirage comics and 90's movie had it the other way first.
mainly because it confuses just what the ooze does, and because when they go with rat Splinter it's usually not a normal rat
Ooze/Mutagen has the capability to hybridize human and animal DNA and bring them to a anthropomorphic middle ground. Turns humans and animals into animal-people. Clear enough.
>mainly because it confuses just what the ooze does,
>Combines your dna with that of the last thing you touched
>Turtles touched a human, become humanturtles
>Hamato Yoshi touched a rat, become rat person
>Bebop touched a warthog and Rocksteady touched a rhino
This isn't complicated.
>But super-Shredder
Nobody knows what the frick was going on there
Super Shredder was just a thing invented by the 2nd TMNT movie to have something exciting happening in the third act.
>Super Shredder
He touched Superman, duh.
>>But super-Shredder
>Nobody knows what the frick was going on there
Clearly the last thing he touched was himself, so he became a double shredder.
Yea that double standard pissed me off too
Blame the insane hateboner people have for Michael Bay. People hate him so much you'd think he voted Republican
I liked Bay's turtles. Should've casted other people for April and Casey though.
OR I think both are shit.
I think we've had this conversation numerous times a year ago, but I'll just repeat what I said then instead of digging out my posts from the archives.
Aside from Turtles being actual ninjas and not Tiktok zoomers, Shredder and Hamato Yoshi (and through him Splinter, and through him Shredder) being trained by the same organization builds an unspoken personal connection between the Turtles and Shredder even without the whole circle of vengeance thing.
In a way Shredder and Foot Clan are also a part of the family. A fricked up kind of family, but a family nonetheless. And yes, I absolutely think 2003 fricked this up too.
Without that connection, Shredder is just some generic evil butthole which is what Bay's Shredder was. Which is what Mutant Mayhem sequel will most likely do.
*and through him Turtles
I may need to see a doctor about that sleep deprivation.
The Splinter-Shredder/Hamat-Foot connection is one of those things that works so well and naturally elevates the story so easily that it's unbelievably stupid whenever someone tries to force some wacky new twist on it.
If they have shredder wreck their shit in the beginning of the film and meet his rival hamato yoshi who then trains them properly before being killed by shredder I think it would salvage them.
As of right now they are teenage mutant turtles not ninjas, if they just have them beat him with out training it really utrom look moronic “they beat a giant mutant genius fly monster better send a ninja to kill them”
That's a band-aid, at best, for a storyline that already established that the only thing the characters actually want is to be normal.
I've been saying it for a while, but Mutant Mayhem took all the mediocre ideas from Bay-TMNT and made them worse. Damned near everything about MM is ripped off from the first Bay TMNT
Them getting captured, placed side by side and having their shit drained was oddly on the nose with how similar it was.
Also ending a kids movie with Donny basing a plan off of Attack on Titan was fricking weird after the ending that series got.
learning from a book makes sense
More sense than watching Jackie Chan movies, at minimum. The Bay Turtles also lean way more heavily into them being super powered. They're absurdly strong and agile and bulletproof, too. They studied a book and trained really hard on purpose. It's not great. Would definitely be better if Splinter was a human who got mutated, but it's the lesser of two evils.
Looking ugly on purpose still means it's ugly.
At least Mutant Mayhem looked like it was supposed to be ugly on purpose.
both are bad movies but mutant mayhem is slightly less ugly and it has the spiderverse style so it's praised
>"THIS MOVIE ROCKS
Yeah, no. That movie sucked too.
Splinter and Hamato Yoshi being the same dude is the only choice that gives Splinter proper training that wouldn't result in the Turtle's training ending up like a game of telephone.
So both are dumb.
>Splinter and Hamato Yoshi being the same dude is the only choice that gives Splinter proper training that wouldn't result in the Turtle's training ending up like a game of telephone
While I agree this is probably the best choice, because in addition to the aforementioned training it also helps to explain why Splinter is helping them become human and is able to show them being a mutant doesn't make them less of a person, the rat who learns kung fu by watching his master who is killed by the Shredder works fine as a more personal revenge story more commonly associated with Wuxia. "You Killed my master and now my student must take revenge' is far and away one of the more common tropes of the genre this borrows heavily from, and since we're dealing with mutations turning turtles into people then it makes sense their master is an animal with human traits. Thing is the latter really only works for one-off stories, like the first live action movie. Once the master is avenged and the killer slain there's really nowhere else to go with it, while a human who became a monster trying to teach monsters to be more human is a plotline that is prime for dozens of unique and different tales.
Both movies OP are talking about somehow managed to frick both of these up.
This is why Hamato Yoshi = Splinter is always the best choice. Not only does it make the most sense in that it explains perfectly how a giant rat would know martial arts, real martial arts not just phoned in, it adds a juxtaposition to the turtles being animals who became men by having a man who became an animal, anti-mutagen plots are much more interesting when the turtles are looking for a cure for splinter knowing the risk it poses to them.
the 2012 take on Splinter convinced me that the Hamato Yoshi Splinter route is the correct one.
I know I saw the 2014 movie, but I don't remember much about it except that people made fun of the way the turtles looked.
somehow the MM turtles looked uglier than Bayturtles and I liked the Bayturtles designs.
It's because they're so much less confident in every way. They're small and gangly and clumsy, while the Bay Turtles are fricking huge and know perfectly well that they can kick ass.
nobody watched the 2014 version everyone ignored it when they learned it was Michael Bay doing it
Both movie were relatively successful, actually. Bay's TMNT movies were both more profitable than Mutant Mayhem
>Bay's TMNT movies were both
>both
They made two of them?!
TMNT Out of the Shadows has an even worse plot, but far better action.
It had Rocksteady, Bebop, Kraang and the Technodrome... what a waste.
Maybe the absolute best versions of Bebop and Rocksteady in any TMNT media, too. Human and Mutant.
You're full of shit, the second movie flat out bombed. Both Bay films also had WAY bigger budgets than Mutant Meyhem, while MM made 180m on a 70m budget.
>Budget $135 million
>Box office $245.6 million
It did fine for a sequel to a movie everyone supposedly hates.
I watched it with a girl I had a crush on at the time, I had made out with her at a party before that. She was staying the night at my house and we were laughing too loudly at the movie and my dad came into my room and freaked out on us, ruined the mood and it never recovered. Probably for the best honestly, but whenever I think of the michael bay tmnt movies, I think of getting wienerblocked by my dad
Who the frick said that besides Rogen shills?
I don't think people judged both movies completely on how Splinter learned how to to fight.
People complained about the book thing a shit ton
The book thing was a minor complaint compared to the trainwreck that was Eric Sacks being last-second rewritten to not be the Shredder.
real question, is anyone actually interested in the new series?
I hate the zoomer turtles already, but the animation looks bad and the humor looks especially dumb. The only saving grace is that it will be short as not even Paramount seems all that confident in the staying power of the MM turtles.
>it will be short as not even Paramount seems all that confident in the staying power of the MM turtles
this was a two-season greenlight lmao; they also just dated the MM sequel for october 2026. on the contrary i'd say paramount are putting all their eggs on that basket lol
Every straight to streaming show is one season presented as two seasons. Velma got greenlit for a "second season" too, remember?
fair enough, although i don't think that "second season" you mention ever got out. was it silently scrapped or is it a separate production altogether?
back to turtles, news came out today that the director just signed an overall first-look deal with paramount while rogen's production company did the same in january. you could still say they're betting big on these guys, two first-look deals for people related to the same project is a huge deal
Velma Season 2 is out some time this year, apparently.
As for the deals they're cutting, I don't find it that surprising considering Paramount mostly just has to squat on the TMNT IP and wait for it to print money like it always has. They had far bigger plans and wanted the movie out much sooner, but covid (and general incompetence going by interviews) dragged out the release of Mutant Mayhem by several extra years. I don't think they're making some meaningful show of trust and confidence as much as they're just looking to keeping TMNT in the public eye. Rowe and Rogen play nice with Hollywood. When the strikes were happening, they kept their mouths shut and stayed out of that conversation. It sounds like they just want to shit something out. At best, the studio trusts them to just make something that will do okay enough to keep moving merch.
At the same time, they quadrupled down on IDW's TMNT comics despite those being an inconsistent mess over the last 5 years. At the same time, they went and cut a deal with a notoriously awful game studio to make a Last Ronin game and that studio just axed half it's employees. These aren't the business decisions of a company that has concrete plans for the future of TMNT.
I'm more of a Battletoads guy myself.
I'm sad they never got the same amount of mainstream success the Ninja Turtles got
I really do believe they could be the Sonic to the Ninja Turtles' Mario, or the Looney Tunes to The Ninja Turtles' Mickey Mouse and Friends
They have the proper lore and world building that can be expanded upon if given to the right artist.
It always amazes me how fanboys get butthurt over the stupidest things imaginable
Why the frick aren't the OG TMNT movies and TMNT on Paramount+? They advertise it as such yet I can't find them anywhere. Trying to watch each of the TMNT series but it doesn't feel right without seeing the movies as well
>one is ugly as all frick and terrible
>the other is fun and stylish
Mind shattering.
I wouldn't call the Bay movies stylish, but the action scenes were fun, at least. Skip all the stuff with April and Verne dicking around and you've got some solid Mutant action.
Nobody here fricking likes either
Bayverse movies were good
At least it's less gay than making him human.
The frick are you talking about? That's the only thing that improves Splinter.