>Top row
>warrior, warrior larping as a wizard, ranger (warrior subclass), warrior
>Bottom row
>warrior, warrior, warrior, warrior, warrior
>HERE'S YOUR DIVERSE FANTASY PARTY BRO
Jesus christ Tolkien...
>Top row. >warrior, warrior larping as a wizard, ranger (warrior subclass), warrior. >Bottom row
>DAYUM
bottom row are rogues/thieves save for gimli
They are absolutely not rogues/thieves.
They fight directly with traditional swordplay. They show no particular acumen for stealth, underhanded combat, archery, thievery, acrobatics or speed.
Having said that I think 'fighter' would be a better characterisation than warrior.
*rock to the FACE*
They didn't have videogames back then so Tolkien didn't understand the concept of diversifying your party's skill tree.
This. Lotr is unwatchable by modern standards, its amazing Jackson's movies didn't bomb when they were released tbh
>They show no particular acumen for stealth
They literally hide from ringwraiths in the first movie, which is really impressive, considering they're supernatural beings. That means Hobbits have a bonus to stealth checks, exactly like a Rogue would.
>They show no particular acumen for stealth,
They snuck into Mordor/convinced the trees to destroy Sauronman's fortress
Read the book, moron. Hobbits have natural stealth qualities.
they fricking snuck in to mordor
Warrior isn’t even a class.
Depends what game you're playing. Warrior was a class in the original Diablo.
https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Classes
>warrior is a class in [irrelevant shovelware]
DND is the only roleplaying game
If Diablo is shovelware, then how do you feel about World of Warcraft? I bet that has more players than D&D, meaning your game is irrelevant.
I used this as an example. Someone either hasn't seen the movies, or couldn't remember what happens.
Or read the books which are like 90% sneaking in hobbit chapters or the hobbit which is literally “that time I snuck around and got a nice ring”
>What class are you?
>Warrior Barbarian
>You have "Fighter" chosen, here..
>That's right
> They show no particular acumen for stealth
In that case it was the magical cloaks.
> They show no particular acumen for stealth
that was the cloaks not as much them. the only one who actually did trigger that sneak switch was sam when he was snuck below that window.
>They show no particular acumen for stealth
Read the motherfricking book homosexual. Hobbits can literally burrow underground and fricking disappear from eyesight in 1 second. Frick.
Reading is gay. The Movie is all that matters
>They show no particular acumen for stealth
Just what THE FRICK do you think "The Ring" did to Frodo??????????????????????
Same thing it does to everyone else who doesn't already exist in the unseen realm.
The Heck?
Yeah.
No acumen for stealth? Oh let’s see… in the barrow-downs? Tricking and fleeing fricking Nazgul? Running away from an orc horde *and* the Rohirrim? Frodo sneaking away from the Fellowship despite everyone’s eyes watching him? Merry & Pippin escaping Orcs & Rohirrim? Sam sneaking up on Gollum? the sneakiest fricker ever? Sam sneak-attacking Shelob by stealth? Sam hiding and stealth-killing an entire army in Barad-Dur? Hiding from an army at the black gate and Minas Morgul?
Merry sneaking up to backstab the Witch King?
Pippin backstabbing the orc during Minas Tirith battle?
Just because they aren’t fricking backflipping batman ninjas doesn’t mean they don’t use stealth. The story focuses less on superhero stats and more on the themes of fellowship and coming together during adversity, wouldn’t be very fitting if they were assassinating orcs everywhere
Imagine getting filtered by fricking Tolkien
To be fair, he does filter an awful lot of people. I know I had to just give up and skip sections, then swing around for a second read when pages of song lyrics wouldn't put me to sleep.
Boromir said "one does not simply walk into Mordor"
Frodo and Sam did. They even infiltrated the marching army *and* defected unseen
fighter, magic user, elf, fighter
halfling, halfling, halfling, halfling, dwarf
Do you even BECMI?
Halfling is a race, not a class
newbie, go lurk /tg/ from the 80's more, check the archvies
Top: Ranger (Alchemist dip), Wizard (dip in Clerk), Ranger, Warrior (G), Warrior (B)
Bottom: Warrior, Thief, Rogue, Bard
>wizard
>only knows one spell
Uh huh
>Illusoon spells in Hobbiton
>Lightning spells on Weathertop
>Command Elements in Bruinen Crossing
>Word of Command spell & light cantrip in Moria
>Dazzle in Helm's Deep
>Telekinesis in Isengard
>Radiant Aura in Minas Tirit
Gandalf has tons of spells he just doesn't use them in a flashy manner.
Gandalf's class is always a contentious issue, but it is absolutely certain that he is not a wizard.
He's a wizard over 20,000 years old. He'd casually pick up enough martial combat to smoke any normal fighter, no matter how good.
Gandalf never casts anything above a third level spell thougheverbeit, so he's probably not a very high level character despite his age.
Gandalf has divine power limiters on so he doesn't cast anything more than necessary.
So he's a cleric then.
He's a wizard sent by God.
His buddy has functionally planetwide scrying, and some kind of massive long-distance telekinesis (tele-telekinesis!) pulling down that avalanche.
You can make similar claims for Sauron himself. The real power was the rings and the slow mind control of powerful people. Much closer to politicians and their gift of gab, the only real superpower for world domination.
Sauronman being a higher level character does not preclude Gandalf being 6th level at most.
>Sauronman being a higher level character does not preclude Gandalf being 6th level at most.
You seem to be complaining about the magic in general.
This is like complaining Hulk sucks because he can't punch out planets like in your Superman game.
>and some kind of massive long-distance telekinesis (tele-telekinesis!) pulling down that avalanche.
Wasn't that the mountain itself that did that?
not in the movie
My dude, he's literally yelling at the mountain to wake up.
>"Cuiva nwalca Carnirasse; nai yarvaxea rasselya!
>Wake up cruel Redhorn! May your blood-stained horn fall upon the enemy-heads!
>Wizard (dip in Clerk)
They were meant to be representatives of the major races in Middle Earth, united on a single mission. It was symbolic of Good vs Evil, not a min maxed party. The Fellowship broke up fairly early as well anyways with each of them (other than Frodo and Sam) playing more of a political/moral rousing/diplomatic role wherever they went.
actual medieval warfare was like archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, warrior*100, warrior*100, warrior*100, warrior*100, warrior*100, warrior*100, warrior*100 warrior*100, warrior*100, warrior*100, warrior*100, warrior*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, archer*100, so, yeah..
wrong, you literally do not know anything and youre moronic. so, yeah. that is an ideal medieval army. real ones were very different. basically, frick you.
That's way too many people for a medieval army thoughbeit
Spears.
>exiled king-turned-ranger, wizard, elf, national hero
>gardener, small town boy, two comic reliefs, dwarf
It's not a video game, anon. They aren't classes, they're characters.
>It's not a video game, anon. They aren't classes, they're characters.
Lord of the Rings: 1954
Dungeons and Dragons: 1974
That means RPG classes were inspired by stuff like Lord of the Rings.
wtf how did Tolkien predict DnD and what fantasy races it would have
Maybe because they copied Lord of the Rings.
>Ranger, Magic User, Elf (class), Fighter
>Thief, Thief, Thief, Bard-Thief, Dwarf (class)
What movie were you watching, anon?
>Elf (class)
>Dwarf (class)
What the FUCC does this mean. Why do you call them classes when they're races?
Oh, my sweet summer child.
Did the original D&D only have classes, and not races? You could have explained, instead of posting like a zoomer. It's interesting how old people claim to hate the young, while acting like them.
In original D&D Elf and Dwarf are considered classes because their natural abilities and combat styles are so unique to their races.
>doesn't remember D&D Basic Set
Zoomer confirmed. Opinions disregarded.
>Aragorn
Ranger
>Gandalf
Either cleric or paladin.
>Legolas
Fighter
>Boromir
Fighter
>Sam
Fighter/thief
>Frodo
Thief
>Merry
Thief
>Pippin
Bard
>Gimli
Fighter
>Thief
They're called Rogues now, boomer. Thief was like Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, and everything after was Rogue. I played Neverwinter Nights as a teenager, and it was Rogue.
>Either cleric or paladin.
Are you moronic
He is definitely not a wizard, cleric or paladin fits most closely since he gets his powers from a divine presence, though you could also make an argument for both sorcerer and bard.
Substitute for rogue if third edition or later.
I kinda get what he means, he fights with his sword mostly with a staff offhand. He's not a sorcerer/mage like a Sauron imo.
Gandalf is an obvious abjuration wizard, if we're going 5e
Then where is his spell book?
Total DNDtroon Death
Who said it was diverse?
are there mana regeneration in lotr or is mana finite?
How many spells does Gandalf cast? Not many, right? I personally think Lord of the Rings uses spell slots, and not mana. How did he beat the Balrog? He saved all his high level shit for that fight. Before that, he was casting cantrips like Light.
Who knows? You rarely see them use more than one spell per day and if they do it's mostly cantrips.
mana regeneration is an idiocy for games
D&D didn't even have it, you picked spells x, y, and z from your lists and that was that for the adventure, one cast each. mana was to speed things up allowing more casts
Gandalf was just doing his Jack-of-all-Trades achievement run.
Multiclassing in BG3 is so bad.
>want to do a Fighter/Cleric build
>you literally can't have both Divine Strike and the extra attack from Fighter, because there aren't enough levels
The game having a level cap is fine, the actual bad thing about multiclassing in that game is that it lets you stack class features that shouldn't stack.
>it lets you stack class features that shouldn't stack.
What are you talking about? Sorry if I can't read your mind, because I don't understand what you meant.
The game is so trivially easy it hardly matters. I'd want a complete rebalance of the game. But their target is normies not CRPG autists like me. So I have to just accept that things like the class decisions are basically just RP choices.
>I'd want a complete rebalance of the game
Aren't there mods you can install that make the game harder? There's this one, but I don't think the game is too easy, so I wouldn't use it. It must be for people like you. The scaling version increases all their stats, which sounds crazy.
https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/661
I'd recommend trying the honor mode, it's still not exactly hard if you know what you're doing but they've made every combat substantially more risky, at least assuming you're going for a no-death run.
Even normies understand there are both built in ways to make it harder and mods, but you're choosing to stay ignorant and b***h.
I haven't played it in months cause I already beat it 3 times
Do I need to explain how time works for you
>I'd want a complete rework
>lol, why would I ever play it again?
So you're just a contrarian, not actually looking for a challenge, gotcha.
I think he was just trying to talk about how great he is. People that actually want a challenge will gimp themselves in some way. Instead of using a party of 4, you can try to play the game with 2, or something.
Damn, now you're making me feel sorry for him.
Like I've done (I've beat it Lone Wolf)
Beating Baldur's Gate is not some accomplishment. I am literally making the opposite case
Considering they're definitely never going to rework the game, that seems like a very good question. Where's the contradiction you seem to be implying exists?
I played the game. The gameplay was ok-tier. The story was pretty well done. I've extracted what I can from the latter. All that's left is the gameplay.
>Beating Baldur's Gate is not some accomplishment
If that's true then why do you have to keep talking about how easy it was? It kind of feels like you think it was an accomplishment. If you want to be challenged, then play some Dota, because that game is 100 times harder.
not him but it's an accomplishment at least in regards to your first playthrough. obviously if you know what you're doing it's not hard. like smuggling a copy of the rift device out of the sewer using pets and then putting it into a quick slot just to use it indefinitely via clones/simulacrum. the game breaking becomes part of the meta game tho.
>like smuggling a copy of the rift device out of the sewer using pets and then putting it into a quick slot just to use it indefinitely via clones/simulacrum
What game are you even talking about?
baldur's gate 2
you can conjure a pet companion as sorcerer I think it was. either way the weasel one is able the pick pockets has its own inventory. so you remove all the items but the rift device and have the pet steal from the character or a clone rather (exact details are a little fuzzy right now) and hand over the copy of the rift device and keep the other one in pet inventory. take the pet through the sewer and take the rift device back. now you can put the rift device into your quick slot and when you're creating another clone your qick items get copied as well without exhausting the real ones. meaning, using the rift device you can reduce any characters HP to 1 in just one click. then you just create another clone and do it again.
probably was something about killing a party member and there being a chance of dropping a copy of the rift device on death. again don't remember exactly but it works and breaks the game. basically cheating but whatever. long story short game breaking in baldur's gate is like it's own meta game. just one way to do it.
another simple one is just using blindeness or feeblemind on stuff. if you know the mechanics of the game it's not difficult beating it, yes.
Cause I was replying to the guy who made the point that multi-classing is bad because you can't combine certain things with other things to get overpowered
When my point is the game is so easy you shouldn't think about it this way and just choose what's fun/stylish, because the game is trivial regardless
>the game is trivial regardless
Right, because it's PvE, so play a multiplayer game if you want to be challenged. Problem solved. I see you completely avoided my suggestion, so I don't think you enjoy a challenge.
It's starting to feel to me like the game was very challenging for you and I struck a nerve
It was challenging for me, but I don't play single player games to be challenged anyway. I'm glad you were able to beat AI. I'm filtering the thread now, to demonstrate that I'm smarter than you, and you can think about your next move. It seems to be speaking to other unlikeable people.
>The game is so trivially easy it hardly matters. I'd want a complete rebalance of the game. But their target is normies not CRPG autists like me. So I have to just accept that things like the class decisions are basically just RP choices.
> Fap fap fap fap. Fap fap fap fap fap fap. Fap fap fap fap fap fap fap. Fap fap fap fap fap fap fap class decisions are basically just RP choices.
To the degree you had that point, do you not see how it was obscured by jerking yourself off?
fair
Why would Larian waste time coding to cater to your terrible build? Just play a fricking Paladin
gandalf was a Kensei/Mage build
You forgot to mention the ring itself is a warrior (of the mind) and Wormtongue as a warrior of subterfuge.
Perhaps some of you would be happier with that stupid Vincent Price wizard battle movie.
so is a dnd lotr crossover technically possible using the planscape setting or some crap?
D&D characters could theoretically just plainshift, but I don't see how it would be very entertaining considering the average D&D character would be able to conquer pretty much any part of Middle-earth within a few days.
how about valinor?
Would be a challenge, but assuming the party is above level 12 it should be doable. Eru Iluvatar being an obvious possible roadblock depending on the DM.
thats the secret. it wasnt about pointless diversity.
Paladin, wizard, ranger, fighter.
Artificer, rogue, bard, bard, barbarian.
Gimli is a Paladin, he was their tank
No, he was a fighter.
They do, but that stealth in particular was the enchantment on the cloaks every member of the party had. Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas pull the same trick on accident when they're waiting for Eomer to approach.
> They show no particular acumen for stealth
I said they do, but the cloaks aren't an instance of that. Hobbits have natural stealth abilities as described in the book. If they don't want to be seen, they won't be seen.
was it all the hobbits or just harfoots in particular?
I'm pretty sure it was all of them.
not all of them. remember how merry dropped that bucket
True if the fellowship had just had multiple high level fightedr/cleric and kensei/mage dual classes and lots of immunity: enchantment scrolls to spam to protect against the ring's influence things would have gone far more smoothly.
sorry chud but there are only two classes on my table. warrior and magic user. please take your fancy gucci """ranger""" character sheet and leave my mothers basement
also magic user is solely an npc/gm pc class
>They show no particular acumen for stealth
>paying for and/or playing larianslop
what the frick is wrong with you people?
Are any of the LOTR games good?
Those shadow over mordor games are ok. Like assassins creed but fast paced and with a constant war
Return of the King is kinoslop
How dare you
Ranger, Sorcerer, Fighter, Paladin (Oath of the Crown)
Farmer(healer), Thief, Warrior, Bard, Barbarian
These are so clear in the books that these characters are the very basis for the fantasy classes you know, homosexual.
Even the movies display these traits clearly:
Aragorn - Warrior who uses low lvl magic, melee & ranged, expert in tracking, hunting, stealth (I can go unseen if I wish)
Gandalf - A high level sorcerer (since it’s innate) who purposefully nerfs himself to let the other characters have fun
Legolas - Fighter with fast movement, rapid attacks and proficient in any weapon he gets his hand on
Boromir - Paladin with an oath to his nation, rallying troops, smites with superhuman strength and fights after taking mortal blows
Sam - Healer both physically & mentally
Frodo - Uses stealth, steals shit (moreso in the books)
Merry - lil warrior bro
Pippin - Obvious bard, comic relief, uses wits and charisma to persuade and decieve (convinced Elrond to let em join, lured Treebeard to Isengard, succeeded on a deception check against Sauron himself, got close to Denethor and literally sang for him)
If you knew anything about fantasy writing or class archetypes, you’d know the classes differ in personality & impact on the world, not just what weapon they kill with
Go back to Marvel movies zoomer
good lineup for a war I'd think
reminder gygax disliked lotr and said Robert E Howard was a bigger influence on D&D
>Robert E Howard was a bigger influence on D&D
not sure about DnD but everyone whos not Black person moronic REH made modern fantasy. its just a pseud meme that tolkien did. no one is out there writing masterpiece g rated epics, they are writing sword and sorcery action
i like them both but its a very simple and irrefutable fact that when you go to the fantasy section of a book store your not going to rack of tolkien ripoffs
pulp fantasy "just werks". simple as
Top: Ranger, Deity, Archer, Warrior
Bottom: dex warrior, Bard, Rogue hobbit and Rogue hobbit (both multiclassed to rogue/barbarian after drinking treebeard's drink), Stone Knight
It´s diverse
What's the best D&D class?
What the frick was Tolkien thinking?