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No, the problem is what they were trying to do was stupid, Druckmann was wrong. No doctor would kill an immune person like that, without tests after tests and clinical trials.
Expecting a writer to understand the actual science behind virology is like expecting a black to not steal
>I think you can get far too bogged down in so called research
one of my coworkers has been watching it and says that removing her brain was unnecessary because drawing spinal fluid would have been able to accomplish the same intended effect the doctor wanted in checking on how the spores worked in her body
is this accurate? was the brain removal unnecessary?
Yes, spinal fluid is all they would have needed. Almost all gene therapy is done through the spine
A few veganal scrapings would have been enough
If they have sophisticated enough lab tests to determine the composition of the cerebrospinal fluid, then comparing Ellie's to a random non-immune persons would tell them if there is some chemical might confer immunity. Doing that first would also tell them if their theory about how her immunity works is right.
I mean, what you'd really want to do is find a way to grow the fungus in a culture medium; go loot every anti-fungal medication, and hell, every medication in the pharmacy, and introduce a concentration of that medication into the culture to see if any inhibit fungal growth.
Also, you'd probably want to know that you can keep a fungus from someone's brain alive in a culture medium anyway; since it'd kind of suck if you split Ellie's weird potato noggin open, pulled the fungus that made her immune out, only to have it rot like salad bar lettuce.
More generally, this is the short of shit you have to show if you want people to think the fireflies are the good guys. You need to show that there is a fungus in Ellie's brain makes her immune; that they can culture fungus taken from a human brain; that they can isolate and purify whatever factor produced by the fungus that makes Ellie immune; and they can scale up production to a significant fraction of survivors. Then and only then can you pull the utilitarian argument.
Spinal fluid sample or brain tissue biopsy, both routine procedures that were widely practiced before shit hit the fan, would be more than enough.
I still don't fully get whatever bullshit explanation they had for her immunity, but it sounded like the fungus in her brain was producing a chemical messenger that somehow neutralized infectious strains.
How they found this out in less than a day I've no idea, but if it really is the fungus inside her that's special, culturing it would be undergrad tier trivial
>despite retconning this exact scene multiple times
That's the funniest part, he's had three goes at trying to sell this and failed every time.
The guy was so buttblastered over people rejecting his spin on the ending that he forced every other writer in the studio out over it, who obviously disagreed with him as well as they managed to get conflicting info in as audio logs and journal entries in the original game. With the scientists flat out admitting they didn't even know if what they had planned would work out.
Cuckman is a hack
If that’s not clear
>Druckmann was wrong
This basically broke the story of Last of Us. Druckmann doesn't understand medicine and his ego won't allow him to accept that he was wrong. Part 2 hinges entirely on Joel having done a terrible thing here and his 'comeuppance' falls completely flat.
Look the idea and practice might be stupid but nobody here is living in their universe. We're all watching it comfy at home without having to experience what it is like living in that world. Had you been a survivor, struggling to eat and whatever the frick and anyone you end up meeting dies because of the fungus shit then you'd be pissed as frick that some guy fricked up mankind's chance of winning this. Of being able to get a normal life that is less dangerous. The whereever the frick they were living afterwards was nice and all, meanwhile anyone not part of their little community is basically screwed. HBO already mentioned they are going to add in more fungus people, hopefully they can make it semi more dangerous instead of comfy community living like Joel's choice had no consequence, even for them (outside of Abby)
Druckmann is a truly awful writer and a total pseud
TV normies absolutely are more intelligent than vidya trannies. As soon as Joel gets killed it's donezo for that shit show. TV normies might pretend they like Bella Ramsey but we all know when Pedro is gone there's no way they're sticking around for an entire season of Bella fricking Ramsey.
>As soon as Ned gets killed it’s donezo for that shit show.
>game of thrones as an example of a show going right
kek
Well season 1 was neither the peak nor lowest point of the series.
It happened to Walking Dead.
After Negan killed Glenn and that other guy, the rating started to go down.
Game of Thrones had 100 characters with their own plotlines. Last of Us has 4.
Tv normies talk about how good of an actress bella Ramsey is online, and with their coworkers, but when it's just them and their bf/gf watching the show, and they've had a few drinks they roast her for looking like an inbred Habsburg monstrosity
>story I wrote in my head is totally real
What I think they will do is not have a timeskip, and insert more content between the first season and the story of the second game. Kicking the live grenade down the road to deal with it later, or delay long enough that they can eventually force drunkman out and take it in a different direction entirely.
the second game objectively starts way too late, with us expected to like Jesse and Dina when they have no development.
but normies will accept Joel dying if its done correctly and the show is already not reliant on just Joel and Ellie because they set up other characters constantly throughout.
Bella Ramsey isn't a competent enough actress to carry the show after Joel's death. Replacing Ramsey with pic related post time skip would keep the normies engaged.
The thing is outside the videogame his death won't come off as trying to understand Abby since you don't play as her, you only cut to her. So people will be fine with his death, it will be 'dramatic' etc
there wont be the bizarre "fight ellie" mini boss scenes where you dont want to play the dumb "you shouldnt WANT to do this" sermon (when we dont want to do it at all)
i cant even understand what youre trying to say. glad i didnt play the second game
>there wont be the bizarre "fight ellie" mini boss
Ironic, but transformers game did it better.
Alternate endings are too much of a videogame concept (aka. Childish shit). Remember that Druckmann's is making art right 'ere
i know you're being ironic, but yes "choose your own adventure" stories are literally for children and most people outgrow them.
Then go write a book and be narcissistic about how you have a artistic important message on your own blog. Go there and write "violence bad, revenge bad" amidst gifs of violence looking cool as shit
videogames are interesting from how much input it can take, the most infantile thing is to not accept that
i was going to respond, but i can't. your digits are too impressive.
But people on Cinemaphile told me that only chuds and literal nazis thought that Joel did the right thing.
Is subversion finally dying?
Only a moron thinks the first options is the right one, especially in the game.
The hospital is shit, they seem shady as frick, Joel’s bullshit meter is through the roof and he has a good knack for that. The world is fricked, even if they find a cure wtf are they gonna do, mass produce it with 30 fireflies? Just hunker up and live out your life, the world is over.
>writing headcanon to get out of a simple trolley problem
The guy who already murdered innocent people did another morally questionable thing for selfish reasons. It’s not that complicated.
>Pathetic old man dooms the world so he can have a fake daughter for a few more years
>Cinemaphile: HE DID NUTHINK WRONG
>Cinemaphile
did you skip the OP, moron?
>dooms the world
Doomed world? Haha not with communism in perfect working order you silly head. And let all the black women be the leaders
You can't create a vaccine for a fungal infection moron
oh youre a doctor now?
you don't need to be a doctor to know that, the frick's wrong with you?
This isnt a real fungal infection, this is a sci-fi zombie disease
IRL cordyceps doesnt even attack the brain, it take hold of the nervous system, controlling the body against the will of hosts while they're fully aware
From what I recall IRL cordyceps affects ants. Their brains have like 1,000 times less neurons than a pigeon. Saying that the host is "fully aware" is stretching it.
>OP posts results of poll from twitter which state that a large majority of them think letting your child be killed is morally wrong
>anon: how could Cinemaphile say this
Cinemaphile doesn't say this homosexual but Cinemaphile (which is basically the same board) does and it's all copes.
so it's either
>Cinemaphile doesn't say this but they secretly do because they're same as Cinemaphile which apparently has the same opinion as the general public and everyone is coping
or
>druckmann is a hack who can't figure out a way to write joel's dilemma in a way that's legitimately morally ambiguous despite retconning this exact scene multiple times
I think druckmann may just be a shit writer.
It literally doesn't matter if you did the heckin science. The point of the story is that Joel is selfish and rejects trying to save humanity because he wants a daughter. Sure, you can go "the whole story is badly written" and that's fine. But you can't say the story is good and Joel was right, because that is fricking moronic.
>The point of the story is that Joel is selfish and rejects trying to save humanity because he wants a daughter
He also didn't trust the fireflies and people shit talking about the science leans into that. TLOU had an okay story DESPITE Neil Druckman being a narcissistic moron.
Anything good about the game was an accident basically
Go home cuckman, your shitty writing has been near universally rejected, and your clinging to such a poorly executed idea has sunk what used to be a great studio
>But you can't say the story is good and Joel was right, because that is fricking moronic.
I'm assuming the people who think the show is good are basing their opinion on the plot elements that are actually in that show, rather than the plot elements you wished were in that show that would make the finale's ethical dilemma morally ambiguous.
I understand the moral dilemma that druckmann is trying to set up. The problem is he sets it up in such a way that a bunch of very obvious plot holes get in the way of people actually treating it as an ambiguous situation. Yeah, the muh science explanations make for a significantly less interesting story, but it's the story as written, and it's the story as written three fricking times now by druckmann.
You can't really change the story. The ending is the reason why this game is so popular, why the morons called it Citizen Kane of video games.
>You can't really change the story.
Tell that to druckmann. He changed it in the sequel flashback, and he's changed it again even in the tv adaptation to try and shift the needle towards his ethical position. Too bad it looks like normalgays are reacting in the same way as the gamers.
The issue is that in Druckmanns mind, it is not a morally ambiguous situation at all. Joel is just entirely, and objectively in the wrong. This is why he is fumbling here nonstop.
Correct
You can't even create a vaccine for a fungal infection first of all, and second of all you don't need to completely dismember someone to study their immune system. The fireflies also don't have any kind of industrial capacity to produce this magical fungal vaccine and the world has already gone to shit anyways.
It's shitty writing. TLOU was just a ripoff of Children of Men and the Road with le epic twists everywhere for contrived plot progression.
>dooms the world
Yet to be refuted
He obviously wasn't in the right. So much so he gets his moronic head bashed in with a golf club later on as a repurcussion.
thats what youre supposed to think in both the first game and the second game... the only way you can come to the conclusion that joel was wrong for what he did is if you agree with abby and ellie in the second game. ellie was mad at him because he lied to her about it and she's a dumb teenager, and abby doesn't need an explanation. ellie basically got over it right before he got golf'd anyway
>Flashbanged out of the blue
>Hello, your surrogate child is already in surgery and about to die
>We did not tell her, or you what was our plans, didnt ask for consent either
>Also you're not getting paid
>Also you're leaving now, without any weapon, in the middle of a city
They designed a situation with clear bad guys but managed to present it as "morally grey" enough to trick dumb normie into thinking this was a controversial decision
Bravo vince
I think only Abbygays and outright morons think Joel was in the wrong
Joel wasn’t wrong to save Ellie and Abby wasn’t wrong to kill him. You win some, you lose some.
>Abby wasn’t wrong to kill him
in a twisted way, sure
Anyone would be justified in killing Abby.
True. She straight up brutally murdered a man who killed only to defend an unconscious minor from murder.
Incorrect. It's ok in a twisted way (exclusively, "muh father), but not objectively as it ignores that Abby's father was about to murder a child.
Pretty black and white.
By that logic anyone would be justified in killing Joel because he murdered people in the past
Not at all. If killing to save your surrogate daughter is right, then so is killing to avenge your actual father. Plus Joel already murdered innocent people as a raider and so deserved to die many times over.
It’s pretty black and white.
Abbys dad was going to murder a child, he absolutely deserved it
poll was 90% thirsty 30+ year old women
The ending was always the most moronic part of the game's story. Even if killing Ellie produced the results they wanted (which is a stretch based on info you can find in that last level) how the frick are the useless Fireflies supposed to manufacture and distribute a cure? They were reduced to a few dozen people, they've been BTFO of every remaining civilized area by the remnants of the US government. The faction does not have access to the resources or logistics required to pull it off, and its not like they could hand it off to anyone else and get results either.
Cinemaphile think's they're Joel but they're actually David.
>NOOO THERE WAS NOT A DIFFICULT DILEMMA DEY WUZ STOOPID AND WRONG ANYWAY OKAY?????
holy manchildren
>40 minutes for a last episode
>50 for 2 filler gay episodes
do americans really?
Everything between Boston and Salt Lake City is filler. Literally nothing happens.
>A vaccine for fungus
Lmao yeah, what the frick were they thinking with that change. With any of these changes, man what a moron druckman is
That isn't a change, that's what they had planned in the game too
>uh they were just completely wrong and evil and crazy so Joel was actually completely in the right and it was just a routine saving mission
This cope is just... amazing.
Yes, the Fireflies are giant morons
Killing the one human they know of that is naturally immunized seems like a really bad idea i dunno i aint no expert like Fauci
Druckmann is seething right now.
>Joel is mexican
>Joel killed Abby's Daddy
>Abby gets fit for revenge by turning trans
>Abby bashes Joel's brain in
Ellie: THEY TERK OUR JOEL!!!!
Was Joel carrying a MS-13?
This is always a stupid argument
>Hurr durr more people die of heart attacks than car accidents guess we should just get rid of all stop signs
>MS-13
ms13 is a gang not a gun
The Last os Us is probably the biggest case of audience missing the writer's intent.
That's the writers problem for being so attached to an idea that is contrary to how humans tell and digest stories.
that's the writer's fault
His idea could work if we hadn't covid.
Justification of doctor who kill people for antibodies is just wrong in this day and age.
Go to bed Neil.
that's gotta be watchmen
it doesn't matter for the story if people would have done the same thing as Joel, all that matters is that the TV audience not hate Abby to the point that they do the equivalent of intentionally getting her killed.
Craig already made the Fireflies science less moronic and Marlene more sympathetic. all he has to do now is show that Joel didn't have totally pure motives for saving Ellie and it'll be fine.
gamers are failing to recognize that the TV audience hasn't PLAYED as Joel, so we don't feel like we "own" his actions in the same way.
Why do part 2 haters think it matters whether or not Joel is justified for what he did? Abby doesn't care about the cure. Her motivations have nothing to do with this.
She's an unlikable c**t
i disagree. but that's a whole different problem. it doesn't matter to the second game's story if you think Joel is justified or not. that's not why he was killed.
Everyone expected Joel to die
Oh yeah, what everybody loved about the Last of Us 1 was the part where you play as a little girl
I think there's just a lot of post-hoc rationalization for why they're upset because the actual reasons because they saw the leaks. And even in discussing the game years later, most people who hate it also have not played it.
I loved the gameplay/combat in 2. The writing is simply shit
>they're upset because the actual reasons because they saw the leaks
This will never be true Neil
>video game
>we need to do unexplained science to your daughter and there maaaaaay be a massive chance of her dying
>tv show
>we need to yank out your daughter's brain, she's gonna die straight up
Wow. How did Cuckman manage to make his "grey decision" even more one sided?
In the game it was 100% she was gonna die too
and it's shown as far worse because the fireflies lost a ton of people on the trip and they're desperate for anything since they're fricking guerilla larper losers
There are also a bunch of logs from the doctors suggesting they think it isn't a sureshot cure either, and cutting her brain open is just a last resort to try and figure something of value out
He says he doesn't know the cause of the immunity and that they must find a way to replicate it. I don't think the creators intended it, but they look like absolute morons.
Nevermind the "don't wake her up to ask her" or not even thinking for a second "let's keep her alive for a few months or years to study it for longer before flat out killing the only source of immunity on the planet"
People now say "but the writer said the cure was 100% gonna work" to make Joel's actions even more morally bombastic, but it's just infantile
It is spread out across a bunch of logs. They try using her blood, extracting small bits of the fugal growths from her brain to try and culture outside of her, the doctors can't isolate what is causing the immunity from any of that. Cutting her open to remove all the fungus to analyze is their last resort option that they don't even seem super confident about it.
>Headcanon
Its information provided directly in the game moron. Same goes for assessing the capabilities of the Fireflies to actually carry out a plan to mass produce and distribute a cure assuming they managed to develop it. The moronic cope is from Neil Druckmann who retroactively tried to turn a morally ambiguous ending into an objective one because he could never get over the majority of people disagreeing with him.
>Its information provided directly in the game moron.
Source? According to the notes you recover Ellie is the first immune subject they’ve found. Nothing to indicate making a vaccine is impossible.
Yeah this is headcanon. The note you find starts with "i've never seen anything like this". a lot of dumb people who didn't understand the first game made up a whole backstory about other immune people.
The same log also says they have no idea what the actual cause of her immunity is
Even the smallest chance of preventing the spread of a deadly disease is worth killing one person over. Joel did the wrong thing for the right reasons. You don’t have to like it but that’s the objective truth.
>trying to headcanon your way out of the trolley problem
I don’t know why everyone feels the need to do this. If Ellie dies, there’s a chance for a cure. If she lived, there isn’t.
Joel did what anyone in his position would do but obviously from a pure utilitarian perspective it’s wrong. That’s the whole point. Acting like his choice was 100% correct and had no moral ambiguity to it is moronic cope.
ok the writer said the fireflies have jetpacks too and they could easily distribute it.
mushy brained well disciplined moron
No, it was a certain death for Ellie in the game too
The whole point is he does the wrong thing because he cares soooo much about Ellie because she's his replacement daughter and he'd do aaaanything to protect her like a mama bear. It just falls flat in the show because he's a blubbering pussy in it. He's like a male Karen compared to the game
utilitarians are soulless
Not only was Joel right, but I woulda killed the nurses too, and pissed on their bodies.
Things ain't ike it wuz, Joel
Smarter than Cinemaphile
>fireflies themselves had doubts that this harebrained scheme would even work, the audio logs prove this
>fireflies have failed to make a cure over a dozen times in the past
>fireflies lack the resources/infrastructure to mass produce and distribute a vaccine
>most of the world lacks power grid which is required to refrigerate said vaccine so it can be stored at a safe temperature to remain effective
>yeah bro Joel doomed the world lol
if you apply even the smallest amount of critical thinking, there is no doubt that Joel did the right thing.
None of this even matters because it's not like Joel did a statistical analysis of the viability of a vaccine and weighed the options neutrally, he was a broken, jaded old man who'd seen the absolute worst of humanity and didn't believe the world was capable of or even deserved to be saved. He didn't give a shit about the vaccine, he just wanted Ellie. That's what made the ending so interesting and why people still talk about it
does matter what *his* reason was, the point I’m making is that he didn’t doom society. not by any stretch of the imagination.
*doesn’t matter
If you watched tlou tv show then you are a normie.
>normies
like you?
There should be a third option. It is morally ambiguous in the game but you understand both sides.
I think he did the right thing, but it's not clear cut like people are saying. it was selfish too and then even worse when he lied about it.
it was bad when he lied about it and the actions werent 100% good, but I would say it was utterly selfless. Contrabandist selfish murderous Joel would be fine with Ellie's sacrifice.
But the show really made it into a creepy relationship where HE needs HER (so far as literally verbalizing it out loud, almost going "if you leave me I will kill myself" which is not only absurd it's beyond bizarre considering he's unloading his feelings to a child)
In the game it's more of a matter of "the world doesn't deserve her", it's not so much that he needs her, but that he loves her enough to feel she shouldn't go out and deserves better
>world desperately needs a cure for the zombie virus
>MCs don't encounter a single zombie between Kansas and Utah
That was another weird thing, they baked into the lore that the fungus zombies have a lifespan. They eventually decay to the point where they drop and become these giant spore growths. If the survivors wait it out long enough the biggest threat is over with.
>WatchMojo
They're still around?
Druckmann keeps trying to make Joel seem worse and failing. He'll probably turn him into a pedophile for season 2
HE TRIED TO RAPE ME BECAUSE RAPE IS ABOUT POWER NOT ABOUT SEXUAL ATTRACTION