It was a real simulation that he paid for in the beginning as evidenced by the blue skies on Mars at the end
Great fricking movie, one of my favorite action films of all time
Dream but there's enough there to support someone thinking it was real, just.a hell of a lot more to support the theory that it was all in the simulation.
Why do you think it's either? He could just wake up any moment and be asked to fill out a survey on how he found his experience.
Though I've no idea home someone is supposed to go back to reality after just having an experience like that which involved a loved one and friend betraying them and their whole reality being a facade.
I suppose if the Rekall guy was actually telling the truth by continuing with the delusion he's effectively lobotomised himself by breaking his brain.
Because the doctor said he was dreaming and would be lobotomized if he didn't take the pill to wake up.
Why do you think it's either? He could just wake up any moment and be asked to fill out a survey on how he found his experience.
Though I've no idea home someone is supposed to go back to reality after just having an experience like that which involved a loved one and friend betraying them and their whole reality being a facade.
I suppose if the Rekall guy was actually telling the truth by continuing with the delusion he's effectively lobotomised himself by breaking his brain.
No, he goes home back to his normal life, like it never happened.
The whole events of the movie was the fantasy that he payed to get. Even the computer "malfunctioning" was part of the fantasy, to make it seem real.
>100% real as confirmed by Arnold
IIRC Verhoeven said it was intentionally left open to the audience's interpretation. But if it were a dream, then it was pointless which is why Ahnold "frick your freedom" Schwarzenegger says it's real. I go with real because there's no real heroe's journey if it's all a dream.
Verhoeven said he intended it to be a dream but Arnold's larger than life presence could only mean it was real so now he said it's open to interpretation, all logical evidence points to it being a dream
"Verhoeven explicitly wanted both possibilities to be viable" per wiki. There is logic to suggest both sides as reality which is why there is no definitive answer. Verhoven did NOT say he intended it to be a dream, but he wanted it to be. He intended both sides. Sorry if English is your second language and you don't grasp the difference.
It was written by Dick who was literally schizo. All of his books were about blurring reality and dual identity. Id say that since Dick thought he was living in a simulation and so many of his books were about simulations being real, I'd wager it was real. Tho tbh i havent read the short story because I cant find a book with it in it
Dream but there's enough there to support someone thinking it was real, just.a hell of a lot more to support the theory that it was all in the simulation.
>alternative-action movie classic >stars Arnold who's also the hero in mainline action movie classics
Arnold really was the man. Too bad he's such a globohomosexual wienersucker today, but I suppose the man was always playing his cards to win and nothing less.
It's real, but the trick is that his implanted memories start BEFORE he sits in the chair.
The entire movie is part of the dream. He doesn't remember sitting down the first time because they wiped that part, so as far as he knows he woke up that morning with a desire to go on a fantasy Mars trip.
Shyamalanian Twist: It was all Rachel Ticotin's dream she got implanted because she hated her life living as a prostitute on Mars and needed an escape. So she wanted a dream implanted about mega-chad Hauser she met once who worked for Ronny Cox being brainwashed into being good, rejecting his previous life, leaving his superhot wife on Earth, and falling in love with her, then fixing everything because you know how much she hates this fricking planet.
That's why the ending looks like the cover of a romance novel. PROTIP: It's a woman's dream.
>They did make a reboot that nobody gave a frick about
Because it was godawful. And they changed one of the coolest aspect of the original, that Quaid goes to Mars. In the remake he goes to some remote zone of Australia or some shit. Fricking so gay. Changes the whole feel when it's not off-planet and "other."
I like to imagine he woke up and is just having a psychotic episode and imagines people talking to him and saying shit. In the news itll be covered as madman ends up killing and getting over 50+ people killed.
I watched this movie with the commentary by Verhoeven and Schwarzenegger the other day, and Verhoeven keeps talking about the fact that it could be interpreted either way.
Whether it's "real" or not doesn't really matter.
You're still watching a fictional tale unfold.
In both cases the hero defeats the bad guy, gets the girl, and saves the entire planet.
Now isn't that worth a measly 300 credits?
It was quite literally a different time. I know Total Recal was 1990, but give it 20 years for demographics lag, the single-mother children from 1970 growing up.
It's real. You didn't see him wake up and say it was all a dream therefore it was all real. Anyone who says its is a dream is basing it on pure conjecture. What happens in the film is all we can go on.
Surely if it were a dream, the whole "trying to convince him to go to back recall or have to kill that guy and his wife" angle wouldn't be a thing. He just wanted to be a secret agent and get the girl at the end of the mission. Their simulation would accomplish that just fine by getting him out of that city and to Mars, and would be really annoying if it threw in something like that he didn't ask for. Like really I have to be all confused about my reality now and potentially end my journey early because I believed the guy you put in my simulation telling me there's a huge problem then I get a Game Over? Frick you guys, where's my refund
>because I believed the guy you put in my simulation telling me there's a huge problem
they're just implanting memories. you don't have any choice (assuming everything is going fine with the procedure)
Why does Hollywood turn Dick stories into voting generic action movies? Total Recall, Minority Report, Blade Runner, boring action movie garbage without the part that makes the stories good
Yes, I can't wait until I can make my own AI-generated adaptations of Ubik and Valis that won't get turned into some bottom-of-the-barrel action flick like that piece of shit Paycheck starring Ben Affleck. Aside from A Scanner Darkly, the ones you listed are actually among the better Dick adaptations.
Shyamalanian Twist 2: It was all Sharon Stone's dream. She got jealous of her giga-Chad husband Arnie dreaming about another woman.
When he talked about Rekall she talked him out of it, but then got curious about it herself. The 'trip' she ordered was a story where Arnie finds the mysterious woman he dreamed about on Mars, but eventually loses interest in her and goes back to his wife, reasserting his love for her and their marriage.
However, she has an underlying psychotic tendency that asserts itself overriding the program with her extreme paranoia, latent violent tendencies, and underlying fear of being abandoned makes her worst fears play out in the dream. When the guy comes in to give Arnie the redpill, it's actually her brain revising the Rekall guy and Arnie coming into her dream to talk her out of it. When he spits out the pill it's actually her refusing to believe he could truly ever love her and refusing to take it, causing a total psychotic break.
Even after she 'dies' in the story, she continues to dream about Arnie living happily ever after with Rachel Ticotin, but in the real world she's labomised.
That's what that movie is about? Heard the title but never seen it, (since the title doesn't tell me jack and I have no reason to think it isn't some chick flick or boring drama or something).
Just stop trying to think, you can't, it's not a science fiction movie it's fantasy, it had no idea about coding and it's limitation, no idea about space and mars, the story is about reality being as crazy as fiction.
The logic of it being a dream in the mind of the main character breaks down when you consider there are multiple scenes taking place from the perspective of other characters. At that point calling it a dream is cheating.
>The logic of it being a dream in the mind of the main character breaks down when you consider there are multiple scenes taking place from the perspective of other characters.
it's still a movie. those scenes are there for the audience to understand the context
>Was it a dream or was it real?
The point was it was both, the movie is a Schrodinger's Cat and the audience is privy to both competing realities converging. There is a Quaid that emerges from his paid vacation, and one that continues on with his new life at the end. It doesn't matter whichever one you actually prefer because they're both real. The original story was written by P.K. Dick, and he was sort of infamous for his stories that blur the lines between reality. With that in mind and no concrete answer given, you can view the story from either perspective, because the movie would take place either way, whether it was real, or a paid vacation, it would be The Same Story verbatim.
It was a real simulation that he paid for in the beginning as evidenced by the blue skies on Mars at the end
Great fricking movie, one of my favorite action films of all time
So does that mean he dies or gets a lobotomy?
Why would it?
Because the doctor said he was dreaming and would be lobotomized if he didn't take the pill to wake up.
You're assuming that wasn't part of the simulation though. For all we know it was.
Because the dude said he would if he didn't get redpilled
Been a while since I've seen it but pretty sure that was part of the simulation
Why do you think it's either? He could just wake up any moment and be asked to fill out a survey on how he found his experience.
Though I've no idea home someone is supposed to go back to reality after just having an experience like that which involved a loved one and friend betraying them and their whole reality being a facade.
I suppose if the Rekall guy was actually telling the truth by continuing with the delusion he's effectively lobotomised himself by breaking his brain.
>lobotomy
He just goes home and relaxes with Sharon Stone.
Yes.
No, he goes home back to his normal life, like it never happened.
The whole events of the movie was the fantasy that he payed to get. Even the computer "malfunctioning" was part of the fantasy, to make it seem real.
How is that evidence
It is evidence because I said so, nta but it counts.
yep but the remake was garbage
The sky on mars is blue in the evening and morning. It's the opposite of earth.
100% dream as confirmed by Verhoeven
>100% dream as confirmed by Verhoeven
>100% real as confirmed by Arnold
IIRC Verhoeven said it was intentionally left open to the audience's interpretation. But if it were a dream, then it was pointless which is why Ahnold "frick your freedom" Schwarzenegger says it's real. I go with real because there's no real heroe's journey if it's all a dream.
Verhoeven said he intended it to be a dream but Arnold's larger than life presence could only mean it was real so now he said it's open to interpretation, all logical evidence points to it being a dream
"Verhoeven explicitly wanted both possibilities to be viable" per wiki. There is logic to suggest both sides as reality which is why there is no definitive answer. Verhoven did NOT say he intended it to be a dream, but he wanted it to be. He intended both sides. Sorry if English is your second language and you don't grasp the difference.
>all logical evidence points to it being a dream
Nah. Stop being wrong, you homosexual.
The thing that always convinced me that it was a dream was how the guy at Recall told Arnold and the viewers the entire story arc.
He literally never said that.
He actually said he purposefully put in enough evidence that it could legit be either.
Neither and both, that's the beauty of it
This
Verhoeven didn't write the story.
It was written by Dick who was literally schizo. All of his books were about blurring reality and dual identity. Id say that since Dick thought he was living in a simulation and so many of his books were about simulations being real, I'd wager it was real. Tho tbh i havent read the short story because I cant find a book with it in it
The short story is completely different from the book and there's no ambiguity in it about the mars or alien stuff being fake.
Dream but there's enough there to support someone thinking it was real, just.a hell of a lot more to support the theory that it was all in the simulation.
Doesn't he create his dream girl and the girl they show him on a screen is the same one he runs into on Mars?
the competing explanation is that subconscious memories of her compelled him to pick a girl like her
What is reality anyway?
the internet
I'm real, you're my tulpa.
Reality is that which is the case
As a preemptive measure I will warn you against confusing reality with provability
Deeze nuts
it was kino
It's already been confirmed it was all real.
>alternative-action movie classic
>stars Arnold who's also the hero in mainline action movie classics
Arnold really was the man. Too bad he's such a globohomosexual wienersucker today, but I suppose the man was always playing his cards to win and nothing less.
Real and he still owes Johnny Cab for the fare and damage.
Wake up from epic dream. Just imagine the railing he'd give Sharon Stone when he got home.
100% real as confirmed by Arnold
It's real, but the trick is that his implanted memories start BEFORE he sits in the chair.
The entire movie is part of the dream. He doesn't remember sitting down the first time because they wiped that part, so as far as he knows he woke up that morning with a desire to go on a fantasy Mars trip.
Meant to say it's a dream whoops
It was obviously just a dream, they literally gave him exactly what he asked for.
Shyamalanian Twist: It was all Rachel Ticotin's dream she got implanted because she hated her life living as a prostitute on Mars and needed an escape. So she wanted a dream implanted about mega-chad Hauser she met once who worked for Ronny Cox being brainwashed into being good, rejecting his previous life, leaving his superhot wife on Earth, and falling in love with her, then fixing everything because you know how much she hates this fricking planet.
That's why the ending looks like the cover of a romance novel. PROTIP: It's a woman's dream.
I can imagine this reboot in current era
They did make a reboot that nobody gave a frick about, it focused more on the Sharon Stone character instead of Michael Ironside chasing after Quaid.
The Mulholland Drive version would look like a stroke of genius in comparison.
>They did make a reboot that nobody gave a frick about
Because it was godawful. And they changed one of the coolest aspect of the original, that Quaid goes to Mars. In the remake he goes to some remote zone of Australia or some shit. Fricking so gay. Changes the whole feel when it's not off-planet and "other."
I like to imagine he woke up and is just having a psychotic episode and imagines people talking to him and saying shit. In the news itll be covered as madman ends up killing and getting over 50+ people killed.
I watched this movie with the commentary by Verhoeven and Schwarzenegger the other day, and Verhoeven keeps talking about the fact that it could be interpreted either way.
Whether it's "real" or not doesn't really matter.
You're still watching a fictional tale unfold.
In both cases the hero defeats the bad guy, gets the girl, and saves the entire planet.
Now isn't that worth a measly 300 credits?
>300 credits he says
homie I got FIVE KIDS to feed
>I got four kids to feed!
>what happened to number five?
>shit, you got me. I ain't even married.
Wow. This movie really was made in a different time.
>made in a different time
The biggest lie from woke homosexuals. This is a 'different time' just because they say it is. Yeah right.
And when Trump is president we're 'going through a terrible time' in history, or some shit, because they say it is. lel no frick off.
It's the CURRENT YEAR and I'll say Black person all I want.
It was quite literally a different time. I know Total Recal was 1990, but give it 20 years for demographics lag, the single-mother children from 1970 growing up.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_family_structure
It's real. You didn't see him wake up and say it was all a dream therefore it was all real. Anyone who says its is a dream is basing it on pure conjecture. What happens in the film is all we can go on.
Why would the pill guy be so fricking nervous if it was all a dream?
to add realism.
I think it's real, but if it's not real then the whole pill thing could be part of the simulation.
Surely if it were a dream, the whole "trying to convince him to go to back recall or have to kill that guy and his wife" angle wouldn't be a thing. He just wanted to be a secret agent and get the girl at the end of the mission. Their simulation would accomplish that just fine by getting him out of that city and to Mars, and would be really annoying if it threw in something like that he didn't ask for. Like really I have to be all confused about my reality now and potentially end my journey early because I believed the guy you put in my simulation telling me there's a huge problem then I get a Game Over? Frick you guys, where's my refund
>because I believed the guy you put in my simulation telling me there's a huge problem
they're just implanting memories. you don't have any choice (assuming everything is going fine with the procedure)
Ok, Cinemaphile I hear you, but what does Rob Ager say?
Why does Hollywood turn Dick stories into voting generic action movies? Total Recall, Minority Report, Blade Runner, boring action movie garbage without the part that makes the stories good
Because no one wants to watch schizo junkie stories
>Because no one wants to watch schizo junkie stories
speak for yourself, pal.
Yes, I can't wait until I can make my own AI-generated adaptations of Ubik and Valis that won't get turned into some bottom-of-the-barrel action flick like that piece of shit Paycheck starring Ben Affleck. Aside from A Scanner Darkly, the ones you listed are actually among the better Dick adaptations.
Shyamalanian Twist 2: It was all Sharon Stone's dream. She got jealous of her giga-Chad husband Arnie dreaming about another woman.
When he talked about Rekall she talked him out of it, but then got curious about it herself. The 'trip' she ordered was a story where Arnie finds the mysterious woman he dreamed about on Mars, but eventually loses interest in her and goes back to his wife, reasserting his love for her and their marriage.
However, she has an underlying psychotic tendency that asserts itself overriding the program with her extreme paranoia, latent violent tendencies, and underlying fear of being abandoned makes her worst fears play out in the dream. When the guy comes in to give Arnie the redpill, it's actually her brain revising the Rekall guy and Arnie coming into her dream to talk her out of it. When he spits out the pill it's actually her refusing to believe he could truly ever love her and refusing to take it, causing a total psychotic break.
Even after she 'dies' in the story, she continues to dream about Arnie living happily ever after with Rachel Ticotin, but in the real world she's labomised.
>Mars-holland Drive
That's what that movie is about? Heard the title but never seen it, (since the title doesn't tell me jack and I have no reason to think it isn't some chick flick or boring drama or something).
Also, thanks for the spoiler, jerk.
Shit, my bad, I thought your theory was a deliberate joke about that movie. uhhh just pretend this thread was a dream
You weren't gonna watch it anyway contrarian homosexual, blow your shitty theory out your ass
Frick you and your freedom.
I smoke my stogie ANYWHERE I want
Yes.
It's obviously a story that is supposed to be ambiguous and open to interpretation and that's half the fun.
Just like Amadeus where you don't really know if Mozart actually existed or not.
>Salieri was actually his ghost writer
I don't recall
Not the full question OP should be asking because as usual OP is a homosexual.
Was it a dream or was it real?
How could you tell? Even then, does that matter?
Yes.
Real you fricking idiots
Just stop trying to think, you can't, it's not a science fiction movie it's fantasy, it had no idea about coding and it's limitation, no idea about space and mars, the story is about reality being as crazy as fiction.
Who says dreams cant be real?
The logic of it being a dream in the mind of the main character breaks down when you consider there are multiple scenes taking place from the perspective of other characters. At that point calling it a dream is cheating.
Yeah. When has anyone ever dreamed of things in a different perspective. That never happens.
>The logic of it being a dream in the mind of the main character breaks down when you consider there are multiple scenes taking place from the perspective of other characters.
it's still a movie. those scenes are there for the audience to understand the context
it was a recall... a Total.Recall.1990.REMASTERED.1080p.BluRay.REMUX
100% real as confirmed by me
>Was it a dream or was it real?
The point was it was both, the movie is a Schrodinger's Cat and the audience is privy to both competing realities converging. There is a Quaid that emerges from his paid vacation, and one that continues on with his new life at the end. It doesn't matter whichever one you actually prefer because they're both real. The original story was written by P.K. Dick, and he was sort of infamous for his stories that blur the lines between reality. With that in mind and no concrete answer given, you can view the story from either perspective, because the movie would take place either way, whether it was real, or a paid vacation, it would be The Same Story verbatim.
Was a shitty Schwarzenegger action movie, with a hint of coolness from the novel
Yes
Are you another meme-machine or zoomers genuinely don't understand actual movies?