Westerners making "manga" is cringe and here's why

What makes manga what it is isn't something westerners (or anyone else, really, even korean and chinese works aren't the same thing) can just decide to start doing, it's something that's evolved from a fairly specific culture and history and traditions of storytelling. Western works can adopt tropes and drawn inspiration from it and mimic it to a certain extent, but it won't be the same. Same as how manga that tries to do what US superhero comics or Bande dessinees do always wind up being some weird hybrid of elements rather than being anything like actual american or european comics.

There's a lot of cues the US comics industry could take from the manga industry that would greatly improve things, most notably making titles their own things and controlled primarily by its creator/writer, rather than property of a company that's given to a succession of different writers to churn out stories that are largely dictated by management after being developed by committee.

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stop being a pretentious homosexual.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're right and you should say it but no one will listen
    It's not just about style, that's why we can look at something like say ATLA and tell it's western, while Panty and Stocking is so obviously Japanese, despite taking inspiration from, and working within, eachother's artstyles
    There's nothing wrong with being inspired by foreign work, and in fact it's admirable, but if you claim to be "making basically a manga" as opposed to admitting you're just inspired by manga in making your comic, it's like admitting you hate comics and the notion of making them is shameful to you, and you need to disassociate from them and reclaim something else
    It's sad and ultimately leads to bad content

    But you'll never explain this to the average Cinemaphile user because they're morons

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bryan Lee O'Malley never says his comic is a manga
      It's like how the Transformers/Mazinger Z crossover is drawn and colored like a western comic but is still read like a manga, the people behind it just did it for aesthetic reasons

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I didn't say he did

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you keep spamming the same exact threads

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      [...]

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      OP is desperate for sycophants to agree with him and just won't shut up in any of his social circles, so comes to Cinemaphile to torture us with his dooky opinions.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wrong board

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Anime website. Cope.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Superman board. Cope

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Actually it's a hilda/jenny/spongebob/spider-man board

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Don't post at all if you just gonna post cringe.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Boy that's a whole lot of words and I didn't read a single one of em.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      why are they sitting like that?

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >board about comics and cartoons
    >entire catalog is drama, politics or coom
    >people throw a pissywissy if you actually talk about comics or cartoons
    i hate it here

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      What makes it sad is that it genuinely doesn't HAVE to be this way; Cinemaphile doesn't HAVE to be the dogshit board other boards laugh at.

      Yet it is, because the moderators of the board flat out don't care, and it's sad because it's such a fixable problem; literally, all it will take is two semi-committed people moderating the board properly. That's it, that's fricking it, problem solved.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Cinemaphile doesn't HAVE to be the dogshit board other boards laugh at.
        wait, there are good boards?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes it does, the material that is available to the board ensures it.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        > Cinemaphile doesn't HAVE to be the dogshit board other boards laugh at
        Other boards aren't any better. Drama, politics and coom is the name of the game on pretty much any board.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Then that means moderation is a joke site wide and mods and jannies deserve all the shit they get

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because his non-argument is moronic

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's cringe if it's badly done, yeah. But a novice can just as easily make a bad comic even if they're from the "right" culture.

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Thing is mainstream comics are own by companies and characters must be shared by writers. That I fee is the main flaw of cape comics if you like one story there are 4 more that you might hate but become required reading down the line.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It is more than that.,

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're right, American artists that are influenced by Japanese mangakas wont be able to make 'manga' indivisible from other manga.
    It doesn't fricking matter.
    I dont even think earnest Western artists most inspired by manga want to be able to create a work as if it were right out of jump.
    Art is expression of views. To purely mimic anime is to deny that personal expression. Artists dont want to do that.
    They just like the style.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's cringe if it's badly done, yeah. But a novice can just as easily make a bad comic even if they're from the "right" culture.

      You're right and you should say it but no one will listen
      It's not just about style, that's why we can look at something like say ATLA and tell it's western, while Panty and Stocking is so obviously Japanese, despite taking inspiration from, and working within, eachother's artstyles
      There's nothing wrong with being inspired by foreign work, and in fact it's admirable, but if you claim to be "making basically a manga" as opposed to admitting you're just inspired by manga in making your comic, it's like admitting you hate comics and the notion of making them is shameful to you, and you need to disassociate from them and reclaim something else
      It's sad and ultimately leads to bad content

      But you'll never explain this to the average Cinemaphile user because they're morons

      Do you expect people to make comics in a way they dislike just because they aren't Japanese?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        As the second guy you quoted, no. People should make comics how they like. Some comics are sequential and use square panels, some are more dynamic with the panels in a way to show actions and guide the reader. I'm just saying that a westerner making a manga is only "cringe" if it's badly done. It will be equally "cringe" if they make a comic of the same bad quality. Easterns make bad manga, too. Just draw what aesthetic inspires you and hammer out the quality from there.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          You just hate anything that isn't made by an overworked bug

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            If that's what you got from that post then you are a 50 IQ monkey.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          All manga japs produce is just as bad, it just that survivorship bias doesn't let you see it.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Idiot

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          ad hominem attacks just show you are wrong

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            like actually how are you this stupid, you just made the dumbest statement ever i don't need to "prove" you're wrong everyone here has eyes

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Strawman arguments aren't better.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          *baka

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Shut the frick up, autistic weeb.

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't read but I agree.

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Did they frick?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      They get married after mobile breaks up with him.

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm starting to see some scott pilgrim yaoi drawn by actual japanese fujos and it's very refreshing.

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Westerners making "manga"
    It's not manga in that case.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      that's why it's in "scare quotes"

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Western artists can't make manga because they don't understand that manga's very essence is rooted in things integral to Japan's identity, exclusive as well.

    >Shinto
    >geography
    >language
    >history
    >economics
    >Buddhism

    As well as the big influence of media brought into Japan, ranging from the esoteric and occult to pulp fiction, literature, movies, and cartoons.

    And of course how manga is built around anti-conflict through it's story structure.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      What exactly do shinto and buddhism have to do with Vinland Saga for example, baka

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      manga and comics are basically the same thing. despite the cultural differences. Yeah a westerner cant really make manga. Maybe if he lives in Japan and writes it in Japanese, is that a manga?

      yeah ok. at the end of the day its still comics , fundamentally.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Does pic related look like a manga to you?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          What about now? Can you tell which one is the original and which is the scanlation,

          manga and comics are basically the same thing. despite the cultural differences. Yeah a westerner cant really make manga. Maybe if he lives in Japan and writes it in Japanese, is that a manga?

          yeah ok. at the end of the day its still comics , fundamentally.

          ?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, it is to good.

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    you will never be japanese

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I know.

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone and their mom wants to be drawing anime and manga anon, it's just how it is. Not saying that's good or bad but seeing people take inspiration from classic comics is a lot more rare now

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The current gen was raised on animaymay so it is to be expected.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Day 4: soul
      Day 29: soulless

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        this

        Everyone and their mom wants to be drawing anime and manga anon, it's just how it is. Not saying that's good or bad but seeing people take inspiration from classic comics is a lot more rare now

        Since when did pewdiepie become a weeb?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Since when did pewdiepie become a weeb?
          Since the first days of his channel.

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    What the hell's the appeal of Scott/Wallace? I can imagine Wallace having the hots for Scott when they first met, but I can't imagine him having deep romantic feelings for him. Is the sudden popularity only due to the anime?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Both of them had good endings in the comics with Mobile and Ramona imo but there were some ways shippers could've hooked them up together. It ranges from Scott doing sexual favors in exchange for mooching off of Wallace (hence "b***h forever") to Scott being bi-curious and reigniting Wallace's hots for him.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      o'malley has been hinting at wallace pining for scott lately in one recent interview which i guess hinted at him only fricking Todd because he was reminded of Scott.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        He probably pines for him only in a physical sense, he didn’t seem that devastated over Scott’s death.

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    1. Manga is nothing special. Stop being a homosexual.

    2. Manga is made assembly line style with teams of around 10 artists doing the actual work while a lone celebrity "face" of the series (who does no actual art or writing) acts as a "show runner" type and (falsely) takes all the credit.

    3. Manga has no merit whatsoever. This thread is off-topic. You are subhuman.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >3. Manga has no merit whatsoever.
      You are extremely dumb, you can learn about paneling from manga. You can learn a lot from western comics as well but manga can be an eye opener regarding some conventions and portrayal of motions

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Paneling in manga isn't anything special

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I didn't read this, but Scott Pilgrim isn't even manga, maybe manga-inspired but enough to be it's own thing instead of some copy cat.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Since the 90s most comic creators are huge fricking weebs.

      Yeah, Malley was a huge weeb and he was heavily inspired by manga.

  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Westerners making "manga
    stopped reading there, came to post Lucas Lee because I now have an excuse

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >making titles their own things and controlled primarily by its creator/writer
    So, image and every indie comic ever? So by your logic all of those should be great succeses? Because they're not, they sell less than Marvel and DC

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      They aren't released regularly.

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    comics and manga and BDs are the same thing just one is from japan one is from america and one is from europe lol. None of that pretentious bullshit is why comics can't be manga they just can't be manga because they're from the united states or the UK.

  23. 5 months ago
    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
  27. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Now you tell me Cinemaphile, which country is this from?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        And what about it exactly looks French to you?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Its author.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Aaaaand you successfully killed the tread. Nice one!

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            And what if you don't know who the author is?

  28. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I thought only leftists cared about "cultural appropriation" bullshit

  29. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Japanese Manga copying western super heroes is cringe

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I wish this was actually good. The art is terrific.

  30. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >it's something that's evolved from a fairly specific culture and history and traditions of storytelling
    Yeah American newspaper strips

  31. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Scott Pilgrim is good though so you're wrong, and regular western comics will still be there so adding westernized manga won't hurt anything

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't like furry shit but this is pretty good

  32. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's just comics bro

  33. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP be mad because his comic didn't get translated and published in Japan. And also didn't get 2 anime seasons.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You sound pathetic little bro.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Talk when you get your own anime, OP.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Murata
          Oh shit!

  34. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >There's a lot of cues the US comics industry could take from the manga industry that would greatly improve things, most notably making titles their own things and controlled primarily by its creator/writer, rather than property of a company that's given to a succession of different writers to churn out stories that are largely dictated by management after being developed by committee.
    based

  35. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Scott Pilgrim is better than most manga.

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