What makes manga what it is isn't something westerners (or anyone else, really, even korean and chinese works aren't the same thing) can just decide to start doing, it's something that's evolved from a fairly specific culture and history and traditions of storytelling. Western works can adopt tropes and drawn inspiration from it and mimic it to a certain extent, but it won't be the same. Same as how manga that tries to do what US superhero comics or Bande dessinees do always wind up being some weird hybrid of elements rather than being anything like actual american or european comics.
There's a lot of cues the US comics industry could take from the manga industry that would greatly improve things, most notably making titles their own things and controlled primarily by its creator/writer, rather than property of a company that's given to a succession of different writers to churn out stories that are largely dictated by management after being developed by committee.
Stop being a pretentious homosexual.
You're right and you should say it but no one will listen
It's not just about style, that's why we can look at something like say ATLA and tell it's western, while Panty and Stocking is so obviously Japanese, despite taking inspiration from, and working within, eachother's artstyles
There's nothing wrong with being inspired by foreign work, and in fact it's admirable, but if you claim to be "making basically a manga" as opposed to admitting you're just inspired by manga in making your comic, it's like admitting you hate comics and the notion of making them is shameful to you, and you need to disassociate from them and reclaim something else
It's sad and ultimately leads to bad content
But you'll never explain this to the average Cinemaphile user because they're morons
Bryan Lee O'Malley never says his comic is a manga
It's like how the Transformers/Mazinger Z crossover is drawn and colored like a western comic but is still read like a manga, the people behind it just did it for aesthetic reasons
I didn't say he did
Why do you keep spamming the same exact threads
OP is desperate for sycophants to agree with him and just won't shut up in any of his social circles, so comes to Cinemaphile to torture us with his dooky opinions.
Wrong board
Anime website. Cope.
Superman board. Cope
Actually it's a hilda/jenny/spongebob/spider-man board
Don't post at all if you just gonna post cringe.
Boy that's a whole lot of words and I didn't read a single one of em.
why are they sitting like that?
>board about comics and cartoons
>entire catalog is drama, politics or coom
>people throw a pissywissy if you actually talk about comics or cartoons
i hate it here
What makes it sad is that it genuinely doesn't HAVE to be this way; Cinemaphile doesn't HAVE to be the dogshit board other boards laugh at.
Yet it is, because the moderators of the board flat out don't care, and it's sad because it's such a fixable problem; literally, all it will take is two semi-committed people moderating the board properly. That's it, that's fricking it, problem solved.
>Cinemaphile doesn't HAVE to be the dogshit board other boards laugh at.
wait, there are good boards?
Yes it does, the material that is available to the board ensures it.
> Cinemaphile doesn't HAVE to be the dogshit board other boards laugh at
Other boards aren't any better. Drama, politics and coom is the name of the game on pretty much any board.
Then that means moderation is a joke site wide and mods and jannies deserve all the shit they get
Because his non-argument is moronic
It's cringe if it's badly done, yeah. But a novice can just as easily make a bad comic even if they're from the "right" culture.
Thing is mainstream comics are own by companies and characters must be shared by writers. That I fee is the main flaw of cape comics if you like one story there are 4 more that you might hate but become required reading down the line.
It is more than that.,
You're right, American artists that are influenced by Japanese mangakas wont be able to make 'manga' indivisible from other manga.
It doesn't fricking matter.
I dont even think earnest Western artists most inspired by manga want to be able to create a work as if it were right out of jump.
Art is expression of views. To purely mimic anime is to deny that personal expression. Artists dont want to do that.
They just like the style.
Do you expect people to make comics in a way they dislike just because they aren't Japanese?
As the second guy you quoted, no. People should make comics how they like. Some comics are sequential and use square panels, some are more dynamic with the panels in a way to show actions and guide the reader. I'm just saying that a westerner making a manga is only "cringe" if it's badly done. It will be equally "cringe" if they make a comic of the same bad quality. Easterns make bad manga, too. Just draw what aesthetic inspires you and hammer out the quality from there.
You just hate anything that isn't made by an overworked bug
If that's what you got from that post then you are a 50 IQ monkey.
All manga japs produce is just as bad, it just that survivorship bias doesn't let you see it.
Idiot
ad hominem attacks just show you are wrong
like actually how are you this stupid, you just made the dumbest statement ever i don't need to "prove" you're wrong everyone here has eyes
Strawman arguments aren't better.
*baka
Shut the frick up, autistic weeb.
Didn't read but I agree.
Did they frick?
They get married after mobile breaks up with him.
I'm starting to see some scott pilgrim yaoi drawn by actual japanese fujos and it's very refreshing.
>Westerners making "manga"
It's not manga in that case.
that's why it's in "scare quotes"
Western artists can't make manga because they don't understand that manga's very essence is rooted in things integral to Japan's identity, exclusive as well.
>Shinto
>geography
>language
>history
>economics
>Buddhism
As well as the big influence of media brought into Japan, ranging from the esoteric and occult to pulp fiction, literature, movies, and cartoons.
And of course how manga is built around anti-conflict through it's story structure.
What exactly do shinto and buddhism have to do with Vinland Saga for example, baka
manga and comics are basically the same thing. despite the cultural differences. Yeah a westerner cant really make manga. Maybe if he lives in Japan and writes it in Japanese, is that a manga?
yeah ok. at the end of the day its still comics , fundamentally.
Does pic related look like a manga to you?
What about now? Can you tell which one is the original and which is the scanlation,
?
No, it is to good.
you will never be japanese
I know.
Everyone and their mom wants to be drawing anime and manga anon, it's just how it is. Not saying that's good or bad but seeing people take inspiration from classic comics is a lot more rare now
The current gen was raised on animaymay so it is to be expected.
Day 4: soul
Day 29: soulless
this
Since when did pewdiepie become a weeb?
>Since when did pewdiepie become a weeb?
Since the first days of his channel.
What the hell's the appeal of Scott/Wallace? I can imagine Wallace having the hots for Scott when they first met, but I can't imagine him having deep romantic feelings for him. Is the sudden popularity only due to the anime?
Both of them had good endings in the comics with Mobile and Ramona imo but there were some ways shippers could've hooked them up together. It ranges from Scott doing sexual favors in exchange for mooching off of Wallace (hence "b***h forever") to Scott being bi-curious and reigniting Wallace's hots for him.
o'malley has been hinting at wallace pining for scott lately in one recent interview which i guess hinted at him only fricking Todd because he was reminded of Scott.
He probably pines for him only in a physical sense, he didn’t seem that devastated over Scott’s death.
1. Manga is nothing special. Stop being a homosexual.
2. Manga is made assembly line style with teams of around 10 artists doing the actual work while a lone celebrity "face" of the series (who does no actual art or writing) acts as a "show runner" type and (falsely) takes all the credit.
3. Manga has no merit whatsoever. This thread is off-topic. You are subhuman.
>3. Manga has no merit whatsoever.
You are extremely dumb, you can learn about paneling from manga. You can learn a lot from western comics as well but manga can be an eye opener regarding some conventions and portrayal of motions
Paneling in manga isn't anything special
I didn't read this, but Scott Pilgrim isn't even manga, maybe manga-inspired but enough to be it's own thing instead of some copy cat.
Since the 90s most comic creators are huge fricking weebs.
Yeah, Malley was a huge weeb and he was heavily inspired by manga.
>Westerners making "manga
stopped reading there, came to post Lucas Lee because I now have an excuse
>making titles their own things and controlled primarily by its creator/writer
So, image and every indie comic ever? So by your logic all of those should be great succeses? Because they're not, they sell less than Marvel and DC
They aren't released regularly.
comics and manga and BDs are the same thing just one is from japan one is from america and one is from europe lol. None of that pretentious bullshit is why comics can't be manga they just can't be manga because they're from the united states or the UK.
Now you tell me Cinemaphile, which country is this from?
And what about it exactly looks French to you?
Its author.
Aaaaand you successfully killed the tread. Nice one!
And what if you don't know who the author is?
I thought only leftists cared about "cultural appropriation" bullshit
Japanese Manga copying western super heroes is cringe
I wish this was actually good. The art is terrific.
>it's something that's evolved from a fairly specific culture and history and traditions of storytelling
Yeah American newspaper strips
Scott Pilgrim is good though so you're wrong, and regular western comics will still be there so adding westernized manga won't hurt anything
I don't like furry shit but this is pretty good
It's just comics bro
OP be mad because his comic didn't get translated and published in Japan. And also didn't get 2 anime seasons.
You sound pathetic little bro.
Talk when you get your own anime, OP.
>Murata
Oh shit!
>There's a lot of cues the US comics industry could take from the manga industry that would greatly improve things, most notably making titles their own things and controlled primarily by its creator/writer, rather than property of a company that's given to a succession of different writers to churn out stories that are largely dictated by management after being developed by committee.
based
Scott Pilgrim is better than most manga.