You cannot prive the absence of something infinite outside of material space. Its inherently unfalsifiable. Thats why the athesit position is inherently illogical and emotional only.
Atheism is 1/4th white guilt, 1/4th "fuck you daddy" and 1/2 hedonism.
They will badger any claim or position or any form of evidence till the dawn of time so they don't feel guilty about touching their peepee at night.
"athiests say nobody can probe god"
"but nobody can prove the big bang"
That's actually kinda funny.
The position of most atheists during the enlightenment up to the turn of the century was to prove God existed, you need to prove that the universe had a beginning. The position of atheists was that the universe was infinite, timeless and eternal.
When the big bang was discovered, the secular world had a complete and utter fit about it. It was the intelligent design argument of its age.
When the evidence for it was just too great, they moved the goal post and did post hoc recreational history that the church tried to hide the discovery of the big bang. The church tried to hide the discovery a bishop found.
This should tell you that their claim of intelligent inquiry is dubious and mostly a facade. 90% of their actions and arguments prove this
Yes atheists are usually just butthurt children
Ive met some that arent and had great respect for them. Not everyone finds God off the bat. But being a giant gay saying something which you have no ifea about doesnt exist because dinosaurs or something certainlt isnt going to help you. Maybe that's the goal for them. They dont want God. Easier to just not have to grow.
I’m not even an atheist but this is retarded. The burden of proof is on the person claiming something happened or something exists.
No one can “prove” god exists. That’s the point of faith. You either believe in it or you don’t.
The existence of God is a possible answer to the questions “How did the universe come to be?” and “What happens to consciousness after death?” It is an answer that cannot be disproven, which, by the scientific method, says that it cannot be discarded. If there is no evidence that God does not exist, then it must be accepted as a possible answer, even if you don’t believe in it.
if you're asking questions like "how did the universe happen" you have to ask "how did god happen". If you're concerned about consciousness you have to know what consciousness is to begin with. hint: chaos theory at a large scale
I’m not even an atheist but this is retarded. The burden of proof is on the person claiming something happened or something exists.
No one can “prove” god exists. That’s the point of faith. You either believe in it or you don’t.
It is funny, has over the top acting, and ridiculous caricatures. The atheist philosophy professor trope is the funniest to me because I'm a philosophy majory and the subject is deeply intertwined with religion
I am a devout Christian (Christ is King and aI denounce the Talmud), and the only Christian movies I can recommend are The Jesus Film with Brian Deacon as Christ, the Passion of the Christ, and Martin Luther. That's it. Everything else is trash, ESPECIALLY this shitfest of a movie. The gayest thing in all cinematic history isn't when Jake Gigglyhall boned Heath Ledger. It's in this movie when all the students get up one by one in the auditorium to declare that God is not dead, and then every jackass who just watched the movie sent a text message to people in their contacts that God's not dead. I must have received like a dozen texts from people in my church when this movie first came out. I went with my church to see The Passion, but I refused to see this pile of steaming shit that made nothing but strawmen for the freshman to defeat. Fuck this movie.
Atheists will just say atheism = lack of belief in God. Not affirmative belief that we know there's no God. You can be agnostic atheist (lack belief in God but don't claim to know).
>Atheists will just say atheism = lack of belief in God
This is such a pseud motte and bailey. I've never met an atheist that was able to keep it in their pants how not only do they think there is no god but that it's their job on this earth to tell everyone there isn't.
>I never met an Atheist
That's just it. If they were quiet about it like you wanted, you wouldn't know. You only know the outspoken ones, so you think they all are. Confirmation bias. Also we like to argue because people do crazy stuff in the name of religion. They also do crazy shit in the name of diversity and I rail against that too.
how many people do you think would actually claim they know, for certain, that there is no god? pretty much nobody. that would require some kind of magical absolute knowledge that nonreligious people aren't going to believe in, by definition.
if 99.9% of atheists are "agnostic atheists," then that's just being an atheist.
no dude theres a difference athiests belive there is a lack of evidence agnostics dont understand the evidence religobros belive the evidence is sufficient
When atheists ask for "proof" or "evidence", they never specify what would qualify as proof or evidence in their eyes. They do this specifically so they can wave away any evidence brought before them as not being evidence or proof. It's called an empirical spiral. They are demanding empirical evidence (empirical evidence being exclusively natural) to prove a being beyond time and space exists.
Atheism is simply a smokescreen for hedonism and no atheist has proven me otherwise. Their "secular inquiery" is simply a Trojan horse to allow degeneracy.
>When atheists ask for "proof" or "evidence", they never specify what would qualify as proof or evidence in their eyes.
Booming voice descending from the heavens to commmand a crowd of several thousand bystanders. Someone genuinely walking on water, turning water to wine or raising the dead. A trumpet that when played tears down concrete walls. If you want to go more metaphysical everyone walking up tomorrow knowing God exists for sure, then deciding whether to follow Him or not. All these things supposedly happened fairly regularly, yet non of them happen anymore.
silence of God does seem strange. like why doesn't he just show up and chill with us for a couple days every couple years. do a tour, going from city to city, then bouncing.
If something can only exist if it is proven through your own methodology, a methodology that has been proven to be questionable, let alone you're completely fine with other concepts being true without it proven through this methodology, you're being deliberately dubious.
If this was about any other matter than Christianity, you wouldn't be this hard pressed.
Well god could very possibly not exist, and a giant space elephant could have created god. Are you denying the existence of Pachyaweh?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
i suppose the theist argument is that God is not just a God and has certain attributes (All-powerful, All-knowing, All-loving), and is a necessary being thus cannot have a creator.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
those atributes that are defined by mortals are the attributes of an imortal fyi
This is a fair response to someone who is making a bad argument, but no serious religious philosopher has ever made the claim that "all things must have a cause"
The short answer to the question is that God is the ground of Being. No, I wont elaborate.
>thing I invented as an answer has to exist because...it just has to!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Rather, existence MUST exist because it exists. What is existence in essence?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes existence has to exist because we see it.
But a God or a flying noodle creature doesn't have to because we don't see it.
And I mean literally not "in the eyes of a baby" or "the rays of the sun" bullshit.
you dont have to that is a substantiation beyond its misinformed equivication
"we need to understand"
"there is an understanding"
"i do not understand"
"neaither do i ""ok""
i think the idea is that god is the universe and he created himself how you ask nobody knows but ways of doing it would involve cyclicle time multiple dimensions ect even persepton could be fucked with i guess observence might enforce existance and god may have observed itself and therefore existed
how can something be aware if it does not exist ?
maybe it was not always aware
what created the awareness then the unaware obervation of an existance?? maybe
so why was there something and not nothing?
maybe there was both in different places that allowed the observation maybe something fills nothing and nothing fills something like a snake eating its tail
This universe requires causality. We don't know how it works in the heavenly dimension where God operates. Time and space might not even exist there. Why would the Creator be beholden to the physical laws of his own creation?
Also He explains it in the Bible. His Name is literally "I AM" the self-existent one.
>Something cannot come from nothing
nothing of the gaps
recurring mindset is it
When atheists ask for "proof" or "evidence", they never specify what would qualify as proof or evidence in their eyes. They do this specifically so they can wave away any evidence brought before them as not being evidence or proof. It's called an empirical spiral. They are demanding empirical evidence (empirical evidence being exclusively natural) to prove a being beyond time and space exists.
Atheism is simply a smokescreen for hedonism and no atheist has proven me otherwise. Their "secular inquiery" is simply a Trojan horse to allow degeneracy.
>being beyond time and space exists
You cannot prive the absence of something infinite outside of material space. Its inherently unfalsifiable. Thats why the athesit position is inherently illogical and emotional only.
>something infinite outside of material space
yeah athesit position is inherently illogical and emotional only
it's all cope
"god" issue is first and ultimately a psychosociological issue
this is truly beautiful cope. the statistical fact is that the vast majority of leftists and trannies are atheist. nothing will ever change this. that’s the data.
Atheism is 1/4th white guilt, 1/4th 'fuck you daddy" and 1/2 hedonism.
When an atheist is confronted by islam they will start twerking like a bitch in heat to apologize to their melonin. Likewise, when a garden gnome is present they will suck their dick like a two dollar whore sucking down on candy. They're extremely predictable.
The funnest thing to do when an atheist starts quoting atrocities or naughty things from the bible, simply ask since its the gnomish part of the bible that they have such issues with if they ever brought it up to a garden gnome?
You will watch their righteous indignation evaporate before your eyes and see them turn into sniveling little mumbling gays refusing to answer the question and trying desperately to change the subject.
Because the atheists going after Christianity are overwhelmingly Americans who grew in retarded evangelical households & communities. 99% of American atheists have never seen a mosque or perhaps even met a Muslim.
Islam & Judaism are not really part of American culture, and they're only part of American politics when it comes to bombing brown countries or sending money to Israel. Vocal atheists are like anyone else, they want to be heard and related to, so if everyone around them is Christian, then of course they're going to be talking about Christianity.
There's nothing productive about an atheist going around saying "wow Islam is fucking stupid" because the Christians around them already believe that.
Atheists are the ones telling you it's wrong to saw off the top of your son's penis with a knife because someone hallucinated a vengeful deity telling them that 6000 years ago.
No, and the atheist community online were literally the first ones calling out SJWs and trannies as insane. Meanwhile, Christian pastors wear rainbow robes and hop on TikTok to say Jesus was trans.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why are you lying? The only atheists who turned against globohomo liberalism was due to having the guns they aimed at conservative people all their lives finally turned on them, which they found dehumanizing.
90% of atheists are all globohomo liberal bbc-fetishists then and now. They still think theres a socialist utopia just as long as they get rid of rednecks.
> forgets christianity doesnt mandate circumcision while judaism and islam does. >will forget this in five minutes and repeat this again ad nauseum. >also will condone child genital mutiliation so they can be their "true gender" because of globohomo will bring about world utopia.
>forgets christianity doesnt mandate circumcision while judaism and islam does.
Jesus said to be circumcised of the heart, he merely transitioned circumcision from a physical ritual to a spiritual one. The New Testament still exists and Christianity holds everything in it is true. So God still mandated sawing your son's dick topper off for 4,000 years.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The New Testament still exists and Christianity holds everything in it is true
*The Old Testament still exists
Christian gentiles are actually not required to be circumcised. In fact they are forbidden to because it represents rejecting the new Christ covenant for the old law covenant.
The only ones required to be snipped are garden gnomes and gnomish slaves. Which is why ~~*they*~~ pushed for the scam.
Christianity already disproves Islam and Judaism.
Modern Judaism is not the same Judaism as the one that garden gnomes were following back in Jesus' time. The Talmud wasn't even written until after Christ died and it was only written in response to the growing popularity of Christianity hence the passages about Jesus boiling in poo in Hell.
Islam is basically a Christian cult offshoot. They still believe Jesus is the Messiah and He will return at the Second Coming but they believe in a bunch of weird stuff like Jesus magically faking his crucifixion which makes no sense theologically.
if i say we dont know where we come from or what it is or what anything is or what anything comes from but we are we exist
and we call that witch is before all else God
why do you disagree?
yesterday is not evidence of tomorrow
and yet we call yesterday the past
and tomorrow the future
theese ideas are monolithic unfalsifiable absurdities
the theological position is that god himself has given us thousands of years of evidence while science has disproven its anttheological belifes hundreds of times in its short existance
if we stretch to encompass humans inherent ability to seek god then god has given us evidence of his existence since our existance
if you are not happy that hundreds of thousands of years of religion is considerd evidence of any sort then there is nothing to discuss
>theism: You can't prove that he doesn't exist therefore he does! >atheism: let's study something and if our findings don't match up with what we can prove to be true then we should study it some more
let me translate your faux argument >theism "religion that has been inherent since our inception speaks to a universal truth" >Athiesm "we only belive things we can prove we are the masters of the universe there is nothing outside of our pervuew even though clearly we infact admit we quite litterly dont understand antything and contradict ourselfs constantly but the one thing we do know is that there definatly is no god!!!!"
God has been telling me I should rape the neighbor's daughter and then crucify her on the front lawn as a warning to all whores. Being unable to disprove it really being God, I realize I must now obey. Thankyou.
find any religion any tenent of any religion that agress that atributes itself to god and look for any similarities with your feelings you might just be mentally ill
i know this is bait but its a faux argument "x told me to do x"
ooorrr your deraigned
it dosent even matter whats more likely the point being that is not the only possibility
The first clause of the first amendment of the bill of rights is written as follows >Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
The founding fathers could not have been clearer that the American government is secular.
Because as a species we've evolved to support each other as it's the best way to ensure our own survival. Why do you need to be threatened with eternal suffering to be a normal decent human being?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why does that make it wrong? Can you prove that good and evil exist and why one is good and one is evil?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>why does a negative impact to survival equal wrong??
killing people who negatively impact survival odds is also a net gain for the community.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why is a negative impact for survival wrong
can you explain it? You're using circular reasoning
why do we need to prove it to have a debate on the merits of your argument
can i prove something is good for all humans
i think i can even in idea land
can i prove something is good for all things i can in idea land depending on how we define good
if we agree that there is no good or evil can you replace the mechanisms ?? or does it leave a void?
I do actually believe in good and evil I'm just pointing out that an atheist logically shouldn't
it's a funny thought exercise watching you people squirm when you realize you have no proof according to your own beliefs that necrophilia, rape, and murder are wrong
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
survival = good is an axiom of the existence of all life. trying to "define" axioms leads to circular/faulty reasoning, just as trying to "define" the axioms of male and female leads to people thinking they can be women by cutting their dicks off.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah but the fact that you're refusing to define or explain something yet act on it regardless clearly means you know its inherently illogical
Why is survival good?
Many societies call slavery objectively morally wrong. Christianity instead prescribes a system to perpetuate slavery in the old Testament while Jesus commanded slaves to stay in their position and obey their master.
Christianity argues that slavery, when practiced according to God's laws, is morally good, because God prescribed for it, and anything God does must be good. Other societies argue that slavery is objectively morally wrong.
This conflict proves that morality is relative.
>This conflict proves that morality is relative.
lol an entirely illogical position, even Kant acknowledged this position was inherently retarded >this guy thinks 3+3=5 >this guy thinks it's 6 >"clearly it's relative"
lmao
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you're refusing to define or explain
Or I'm talking about how, axioms, can't be defined by concepts that depend upon them as axioms. Another example, beyond the chud bit, is the "proof" for 2+2=4. a spiraling mess of self-referencing that everyone either gives up reading or trying to elaborate on.
The "proof" for an axiom is the real world. If you don't survive, you're dead. If you're born male, you're a man. If you take two objects, and put another two objects near them, there will be four objects. etc etc.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>If you don't survive, you're dead. If you're born male, you're a man. If you take two objects, and put another two objects near them, there will be four objects.
Yeah but this has no relevance to something being good or bad
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
survival = good. That is the axiomatic basis of all concepts related to "good vs evil."
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>survival = good
Can you prove this though? Even 1+1=2 has a proof
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I’ve already talked about the “proof” for 1+1=2. Since you clearly didn’t understand, maybe you shouldn’t be trying to have a debate on the basis of good and evil.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Your argument was that "everybody gives up reading it" which is an appeal to popularity and not a valid argument
Can you prove that survival is good? or not? Seems like you can't and you just got btfo'd for all time
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're not very bright are you?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Or adding to it. Because math itself depends on 2+2=4 as an axiom, therefore it can’t be defined by concepts that depend on it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're not very bright are you?
Thanks for admitting I'm right and you can't prove me wrong
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I accept your concession.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>can't prove me wrong >spergs out
Me being right is an inherently undefinable axiom
stay mad
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You’re regurgitating an argument that was already defeated at
>you're refusing to define or explain
Or I'm talking about how, axioms, can't be defined by concepts that depend upon them as axioms. Another example, beyond the chud bit, is the "proof" for 2+2=4. a spiraling mess of self-referencing that everyone either gives up reading or trying to elaborate on.
The "proof" for an axiom is the real world. If you don't survive, you're dead. If you're born male, you're a man. If you take two objects, and put another two objects near them, there will be four objects. etc etc.
. No one is trolled.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
2+2=4 is an axiom of all math. Therefore using math to prove it doesn’t work.
The proofs for axioms of abstracts in the real world.
still seething I see
I win for all time
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Thanks for admitting you’re just trolling.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Y-you're just TROLLING
seethe
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It’s all good son, thanks for making me think about what the source axiom of “good and evil” is, and how it’s survival.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
yo i shld have done that 10 msges ago the other guy is legit trolling
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don’t really mind when people are just trolling. They usually force me down lines of thought that I wouldn’t otherwise go down.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
im 100% sure about 10 messages ago i made a poorly comunicated comment adressing theese issues look for your mispelld non grammerd reply
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'm right... because I le just amm!!!!
cope more
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
See
I don’t really mind when people are just trolling. They usually force me down lines of thought that I wouldn’t otherwise go down.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
nta but 2+2 is not aximatic. the construction of natural numbers and the concept of addition has a lot of stuff as a formal mathematical proof. pro tip for the future if some retard is trying to play the "whoa how do we even know anything is real without assuming some things" card, just point out that assuming the bare minimum in order for your model of reality to work, with the caveat of reducing the number of assumptions as much as possible when new wisdom is gained, is not the same as believing everything whole cloth that some gnomish pedophiles wrote down 2000 years ago.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
2+2=4 is an axiom of all math. Therefore using math to prove it doesn’t work.
The proofs for axioms of abstracts in the real world.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>survival = good is an axiom of the existence of all life
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantis#Sexual_cannibalism
?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>here, to prove that survival isn't always good, here's a behavior of a species that isn't extinct.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I interpreted your original post as personal survival, not survival of the species. Like, would it be wrong for someone to kill you for no reason? The species would be fine
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
it's about the propagation of genes. all life is a glitch that exists to replicate non-sentient chains of amino acids.
Atheism is 1/4th white guilt, 1/4th 'fuck you daddy" and 1/2 hedonism.
When an atheist is confronted by islam they will start twerking like a bitch in heat to apologize to their melonin. Likewise, when a garden gnome is present they will suck their dick like a two dollar whore sucking down on candy. They're extremely predictable.
The funnest thing to do when an atheist starts quoting atrocities or naughty things from the bible, simply ask since its the gnomish part of the bible that they have such issues with if they ever brought it up to a garden gnome?
You will watch their righteous indignation evaporate before your eyes and see them turn into sniveling little mumbling gays refusing to answer the question and trying desperately to change the subject.
fuck garden gnomes, fuck morons, and especially fuck you stupid christ cucks
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
See
>why does a negative impact to survival equal wrong??
killing people who negatively impact survival odds is also a net gain for the community.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Who negatively impacts survival odds? Who decides that? You seem like you negatively impact survival odds to me, would that make it OK for someone to kill you?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
A person who’s murdering people or shitting on food/water sources would be an example of a “negative impact to survival.”
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
see this anon is why your fucked up theres proof for those things on many levels in many systems acording to many mechanisms on both sides
explain wearing linen though or some other absured shit that turned out to be profound understanding thousands of years after the fact
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>wearing linen though
that bits about mixing types of cloths, one will shred the other.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
am just sayin there building houses on sand so we can play in the mud theres some wild shit in religous teaching that if you really think about it blows your fucking mind "How on earth could they know that ""they didnt its an insane coincedence but wow the benefit those people got from blindly following without understanding the larger picture"
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
why do we need to prove it to have a debate on the merits of your argument
can i prove something is good for all humans
i think i can even in idea land
can i prove something is good for all things i can in idea land depending on how we define good
if we agree that there is no good or evil can you replace the mechanisms ?? or does it leave a void?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I've answered two of your questions now, time to answer mine.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why?
>good and evil exist
They don't, at least not prescriptively. We often describe things as good or evil because of the good or bad consequences they bring, but that's all. The fact different societies often consider the same thing good evil, ritually holy or ritually unclean, goes along to prove that.
They exist objectively and distinct from human existence
that's a different conversation though
All I'm saying is that if you don't believe in God then you logically shouldn't believe in wrong or right either
that's why the other anon had a little spergout
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>good and evil exist
They don't, at least not prescriptively. We often describe things as good or evil because of the good or bad consequences they bring, but that's all. The fact different societies often consider the same thing good evil, ritually holy or ritually unclean, goes along to prove that.
Many societies call slavery objectively morally wrong. Christianity instead prescribes a system to perpetuate slavery in the old Testament while Jesus commanded slaves to stay in their position and obey their master.
Christianity argues that slavery, when practiced according to God's laws, is morally good, because God prescribed for it, and anything God does must be good. Other societies argue that slavery is objectively morally wrong.
This conflict proves that morality is relative.
>https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html
Holy cope >Slave ownership was a common practice long before the time the Mosaic Law was given. So, the law neither instituted slavery nor ended it; rather, the law regulated it.
God is supposed to be an all powerful entity but he can't stop the garden gnomes from not enslaving gentiles and each other because "everyone did it back then lol". God can do whatever he wants. The fact he did not outlaw slavery means God does not oppose slavery, simple as. Instead, he painstakingly set out rules to CODIFY how slavery would work. That means he did worse than a mere mortal like Thomas Jefferson, who at least wrote in the constitution that the triangle trade would end.
Verses such as >“Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven” (Colossians 4:1).
again do not condemn or oppose slavery. In fact, it analogizes the relationship between Master and slave to that between God and man; thus, the system of slavery is portrayed as something godly. And as we know, the potter hath power over the clay. >Jesus and the apostles did not outright condemn slavery. They didn’t need to.
The absolute peak of cope. Why did Jesus need to condemn anything else, then?
Historically, abolitionists attempted with fervor to use the Bible to end slavery in places like America. It didn't work. Slave owners in the antebellum south reasonably read the Bible as codifying slavery and were unmoved by northerners' appeals to general mercy or holiness. After all, Jesus spoke to masters and simply told them to be good masters. So that's what those of the antebellum south tried to be.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
don't forget how God gives a holy command "thou shalt not kill"
then next thing he does is order the garden gnomes to commit literal genocide
WHICH IS IT YOU BIPOLAR FUCK
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm an atheist anon but lemme qualify that for you. The commandment is typically translated as "thou shalt not murder." This seems like a trivial distinction but murder is understood as an 'unsanctioned' killing, one done outside the law of man (capital punishment, a defensive war) or the law of God (commanding genocide to take land, or the flood).
Of course, it is pretty silly that killing is bad except when God says it's good. Especially since any of God's commanded killings could reasonably result from a spiritually bankrupt, evil society, such as dashing the heads of babies of the enemy on rocks. But that's religious thinking for you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
when you look at that with logic "tho shall obey the laws of the land" i always got the inclination that somebody smart who knows what the fuck is up might tell you to kill and thats ok HIII ARMY
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
not to mention God being all-powerful and still somehow needing his chosen people to commit mass murder and mass rape
he even used his powers to break down the walls of the city so the garden gnomes could go in and murder-rape, but didn't just poof all the people in the city elsewhere, which would have had the same end result: garden gnomes have the city
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What’s funny about this is how the reason every capital case lists “THE PEOPLE” as a plaintiff is to distribute the act of “murder” that is capital punishment.
What's your problem with this verse? It talks about Jesus Ascending to Heaven which he did and the apostles documented. It's not talking about the apocalypse like atheist keep misreferencing.
>the apostles documented
There is no line in the gospels referencing the apostles witnessing Jesus ascend to heaven. People just found his tomb was empty 3 days later. So no, it cannot reference Jesus ascending to heaven, because nobody there saw it.
imagine this kino *if it was a film scene* scenario
man is injured fatally &his heart stops but he lives after& dmt floods his brain he sees the son in all his glory he dances on clouds he swims in the starrs he gains an ident memory becomes a mathmatical sevant then wakes up alive he has been in a coma
before we die our brain floods with dmt thats a fact
just a reminder that if you need god to know that killing an innocent person is a bad thing, you are low iq and religion is to keep people like you in check. meanwhile let the upper classes have some fun
>How can murder be wrong unless there's a strong guy in the clouds who says he thinks it's wrong
Why did every other society in history also come to the conclusion that unsanctioned killing is wrong? It's almost like the community discouraging and penalizing murderers and other disruptive crimes is necessary to the formation of a lasting society.
>'I dont need no sky daddy to tell me murder is wrong'
All the Abortion clinics would tell me otherwise.
>How can murder be wrong unless there's a strong guy in the clouds who says he thinks it's wrong
Why did every other society in history also come to the conclusion that unsanctioned killing is wrong? It's almost like the community discouraging and penalizing murderers and other disruptive crimes is necessary to the formation of a lasting society.
>rationalism >empiricism >objectivity >falsifiability
no argument for the existence of god appeals to any of these things, and in every case has to outright reject one or more of them. the only argument for god is >muh feelings
which is garbage. you're a collection of cells, cope. souls aren't real
retard. science is not inherently dogmatic, it is a set of principles for investigating the natural world. falsifiability and evidence are the core fucking tenants you clown.
>there are stupid people who "LOVE SCIENCE" even though their beliefs are objectively unscientific in nature >therefore science is the same as religion!
room temperature IQ, i can not even imagine how tired everyone in your life is of talking to you
you agreed with me and pretended it was a joke
then you made up something i didnt say and then had the audacity to read into a synopsis of your own estranged opinion and ascribe it to me asif you think people reading this are iddiots
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>iddiots
you know what man i think you really need god to be real, so yeah have at it.
>knows the universe is finite >knows that the universe had an origin point >knows that the universe is curved >knows theres something beyond this universe. >know you cannot measure or test anything ANYTHING outside of space and time because its ludicrous. > this religion over 2 thousand years old said god is beyond space and time, outside the universe. >"nope nope nope, gotta prove it using these methods I ordained which is contradictory to your claims." >continues to watch porn.
I would respect atheists so much more if they dropped all the bullshit, all the pretense, all the pseudo-intellectual jibberish and just admit >I dont want to believe in god because I like masturbating while eating pizza.
I'd respect you guys so much more.
what fucking schizo shit are you talking about? no one said any of those things (and you're wrong on almost every single one kek, including the religious statements). you seem to be an expert in making shit up, so i can see why religion is innately appealing to you.
2+2=4 is an axiom of all math. Therefore using math to prove it doesn’t work.
The proofs for axioms of abstracts in the real world.
man you can just google a formal proof of addition. i know this is a pearls before swine type situation but just shut up and learn something gay
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So thanks for admitting you didn’t understand how the “proof” is incomplete.
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i mean i get your points and they were on the money but the gaslighting pivot is vomit inducing however well you preformed it and i know you know what i did i made the audience aware of how sick you are albeit well played i go home with the girl
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>you're wrong on almost every single one
Um....these are actually proven scientific facts about the universe bud.
Youre obviously ill read and a sufferer of dunning kruger. >so i can see why religion is innately appealing to you.
Cute. Do you have any actual to say other than vomit?
2 weeks ago
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nope. >universe is finite
space is expanding, maybe forever (not finite). we also do not know the precise size of the universe because we are restricted to observing what is in our light cone (possibly infinite). >knows the universe had an origin point
wrong! we know that there was a big bang, when it was, and the conditions of the universe right after, but not before. our universe could be part of a cycle of big bangs, part of the multiverse, or any such number of theories that are impossible to collect any experimental data on at all. >knows there's something beyond this universe
retard, lmao >know you cannot measure or test anything outside of space and time
this is like saying you can't have negative apples in a bushel, it's patently retarded thinking. >the bible says god exists outside of space and time and the universe
it doesn't stupid
wow you're so smart! tell me more!
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>space is expanding
Which means its finite. If I blow a balloon, is the balloon limitless or not? >maybe forever
There is no such thing as 'forever' in the tangible world anon. >wrong! we know that there was a big bang, when it was, and the conditions of the universe right after, but not before.
Which is the definitions of an origin and an origin point. >our universe could be part of a cycle of big bangs, part of the multiverse, or any such number of theories that are impossible to collect any experimental data on at all.
Those are hypothetical copes for the discovery of the big bang. There is little, if any to prove M theory at all. Its worse than believing in god because now you're going into infinite regresses. >retard, lmao
If the universe does crunch in infinite loops like you believe, whats outside the universe at that time? Im not gonna go into the details of the evidence but, suffice it to say, you're retarded. >this is like saying you can't have negative apples in a bushel, it's patently retarded thinking.
God you're fucking retarded. Like I suspect legit down syndrome or something. >it doesn't stupid
It states this multiple times my man.
Maybe you could read a book for once rather than listening to big think or the amazing atheist on youtube.
2 weeks ago
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>no you!
everything i posted is backed up by objective evidence. independently verified observations of our universe. i can produce sources effortlessly for everything i said, can you? i'll make it simple for you and reduce it down to a single one of your retarded claims. >knows theres something beyond this universe.
so, science -knows- there's something beyond this universe? got a single fact to back that up? if it's settled science it should be trivial to explain, so i'm waiting dipshit.
the thing I find annoying about atheism today is people think that because they don't believe in God that that somehow makes the shit they believe in more rational. people go on about morals being subjective, then start reeing when other cultures do shit they don't like.
yes, people are dumb. some dumb people repeat smart ideas though. this has nothing to do with objective reality, it exists independent of everyone being dumb or everyone being smart.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
How can you read something, not understand a single word they said and still reply with such conviction and indignity?
Anon, juat calm down your autism. You're lowering the I.Q of everyone else on the board.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>no you!
everything i posted is backed up by objective evidence. independently verified observations of our universe. i can produce sources effortlessly for everything i said, can you? i'll make it simple for you and reduce it down to a single one of your retarded claims. >knows theres something beyond this universe.
so, science -knows- there's something beyond this universe? got a single fact to back that up? if it's settled science it should be trivial to explain, so i'm waiting dipshit.
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yes, people are dumb. some dumb people repeat smart ideas though. this has nothing to do with objective reality, it exists independent of everyone being dumb or everyone being smart.
There are legit scientists who perpetuate and wnforce scientism on a regular basis. There have been multiple upon multiple cases of scientist fudging the results of experiments to get the results they wanted and ones who have laundered money from the government for faux studies and never got any jail time. These people are allowed to do this due to scientism and plebs believing and thinking scientists arw a form of wizard-priests.
I could even go into the fact that multiple disciplines of science, such as medical science, have had a sharp and steady decline due to seperation from the church ans when talk about the rise in secular science they are specifically talking about technology (which shouldn't honestly be classified as a science honestly) but I digress.
Scientism is really bad because not only does it perpetuate science as a religion, it dogmatises and strangles science from studying taboo subjects.
Its infinitely worse than any christian example you could bring up.
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>people are fallible and not perfect therefore our only recourse is to abandon reason and worship christ
you're a brainlet man, simple as. your cope about "medical science being on decline" is so hilarious retarded i can't believe you posted it with a straight face. the only bad thing about scientific progress is that we all get to share in its benefits so retards like you will live longer and have massive boost to your retarded views.
i mean i get your points and they were on the money but the gaslighting pivot is vomit inducing however well you preformed it and i know you know what i did i made the audience aware of how sick you are albeit well played i go home with the girl
holy cope man. if you're at this level of psychic damage it's time to just close the tab instead of typing out whatever the fuck that sad post was. jesus christ save us!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
<3 love you two bro im kinda having fun i accept your reluctant rethinking i make it easy to see who i am so you dont have to guess jej
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>"medical science being on decline"
To be fair, anyone looking at transgenderism and can’t see that as anything but a decline. But that is really just a mix of “psychology” and cosmetic surgery. “Psychology” has tons of stupid Shit in its history.
2 weeks ago
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psychology was a mistake. what did that ever fix?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Well, for a while we were putting criminals in asylums and isolating/sterilizing them instead of just letting them make more criminals.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
christ cucks will malign the dogmatic practices of certain scientists and pseudo scientific practices because they emulate the strict hierarchies of religious practice too much, which is... only bad when other people do it. it's a good system though! heaven!
God man, are you 12 or something? You have said nothing of merit, not refuted anything anyone has said and simply acted like a slack jawed gay thinking you don't have the mind of some bat-beaten retard just popped out of the birth canal.
I hope this is bait fishing fpr (you)s because I can't imagine anyone legit being unironic spewing the gadfly infested trash coming out of your mouth.
I'm gonna pray for you to actually stop being a gay homey. You need it.
>i read about le science man doing a bad gnomish psyop! science is evil and religion is based!
like what do you want me to refute? playing around with you at all is a level of discourse that you don't deserve and don't have the ability to properly receive, and you want to have a serious discussion? okay, let's go there dipshit, tell me where's your evidence that god exists that isn't in your feefees?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Well yeah, when non-skydaddyfags are dogmatic it means they’re following THE GREAT ENEMY
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
yes thanks the lord i was born in this particular tribe out of literal tens of thousands throughout human history that has selected the one true religion and i can reject all objections outright because i feel it in my heart. it would really suck if i was born anything else and just went to hell.
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>okay, let's go there dipshit, tell me where's your evidence that god exists that isn't in your feefees?
Heres where you go full moron.
This argument is called an empirical spiral. Its a techique atheists use to control the argument and be on the offensive. You will not clarify or classify what form of evidence is appropriate so you can dismiss it offhandedly throughout the discussion.
Whats interesting is that, when atheists don't notice that christians are listening, freely admit their methodology is complete shit and simply made so that all proofs of god can be dismissed, which is why they latched so hard onto empirical evidence because its impossible to prove something supernatural with something made to prove the natural.
I'll grab you this empirical proof of god once you find me a wild number 3. Not a picture of a 3, or 3 sticks, but an actual 3.
>b'b'but number are made up things!!
Then all of mathematics, the sole unfallible and constant science, completely falls apart. If the number 3 isn't real then everything falls apart.
I know you'll start saying numbers are bullshit to save face, its what you scientism gays always do and you never realize how damning that practice is.
If you can't find me a number 3, something so integral and important to science and our global society and that we know it real, then I will not play this game with you.
So go ahead and take a pic of a wild number 3 anon. I'll be waiting.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
We can find 3 gays in this thread.
You can't find any amount of god.
God isn't even a good tool to predict things, like math is. Prayer has no verifiable influence on outcomes.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
So you're admitting you're a retarded gay then? Good!
Go suck on your mommas tittie for some milkies. Its about your bedtime.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I prayed you would take the bait and out yourself as irrational and short-tempered.
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>post your evidence god exists >i don't have to because 3, gay
compelling stuff, i bet you win a lot of arguments in the trailer park.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Either you have no reading comprehension skills or you are deliberately obtuse.
Waiting for that number 3.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
math literally isn't real you retard. it's an abstract science where you use pure reason to solve problems abstracted from nature. how much of a fucking brainlet do you have to be to think you're making any sort of point here?
there is no number 3 retard, just like there's no god, it's MADE UP kek you absolute fucking mong. it's like >prove my dreams aren't real >checkmate atheist
like what the fuck is wrong with you
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Once again, mathematic truths are not only onjective truths, they are the most reliable truths in the scientific field.
This "made-up thing" is one of the backbones of modern civilization and has built NASA, the hadron collider and the fucking phone you're using to shitpost.
Just admit you are an atheist simply to be a hedonist. Thats all anyone wants. You gays are willing to destroy anything and everything just so you wont feel bad.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
math is a language, it's used to describe problems and solve them. pure math can't prove anything because it can't make observations, only predictions. literally all notation in math is essentially arbitrary as well. any system that is consistent and rational and that can solve abstract problems using pure reason would suffice as a system. stop trying to apply a dogmatic importance to an arbitrary system of runes that represent things in the real world only sometimes.
Sir isaac newton
Leonhard Eular
John Lennox
Blaise Pascal
Johannes kepler
Ada Lovelace
Alan Turing
I can go on anon.
The problem is that you are thinking completely materialistic and only materialistic.
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Yes because math is, has and always has been useless now right?
I sweat you fags would set your mother on fire just so you wouldn't have to admit you're wrong.
math is super useful for describing things precisely, that's why people use it to... describe things precisely. it's really nothing more than that you dumb fucker. it also has nothing to do with god, an entity you aren't even arguing for anymore because you don't even have an argument
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
math literally isn't real you retard. it's an abstract science where you use pure reason to solve problems abstracted from nature. how much of a fucking brainlet do you have to be to think you're making any sort of point here?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
> it's an abstract science where you use pure reason to solve problems abstracted from nature.
All mathematicians would tell you otherwise, as well as any science using mathematics would fall apart.
You will literally destroy science just so you can keep playing with your penis guilt-free.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>gets the textbook definition of math >but but my made up "real" mathematicians disagree!
the issue here is you don't know the difference between reality and thought.
2 weeks ago
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>All mathematicians would tell you otherwise
Name one
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Sir isaac newton
Leonhard Eular
John Lennox
Blaise Pascal
Johannes kepler
Ada Lovelace
Alan Turing
I can go on anon.
The problem is that you are thinking completely materialistic and only materialistic.
>science will fall apart if you don't believe in math!
holy kek anon this is what christ cuckery does to a motherfucker huh
Yes because math is, has and always has been useless now right?
I sweat you fags would set your mother on fire just so you wouldn't have to admit you're wrong.
2 weeks ago
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>science will fall apart if you don't believe in math!
holy kek anon this is what christ cuckery does to a motherfucker huh
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
God man, are you 12 or something? You have said nothing of merit, not refuted anything anyone has said and simply acted like a slack jawed gay thinking you don't have the mind of some bat-beaten retard just popped out of the birth canal.
I hope this is bait fishing fpr (you)s because I can't imagine anyone legit being unironic spewing the gadfly infested trash coming out of your mouth.
I'm gonna pray for you to actually stop being a gay homey. You need it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
there are a bunch of scientists that do not realize the is-ought gap and they are a problem.
>knows the universe is finite >knows that the universe had an origin point >knows that the universe is curved >knows theres something beyond this universe. >know you cannot measure or test anything ANYTHING outside of space and time because its ludicrous. > this religion over 2 thousand years old said god is beyond space and time, outside the universe. >"nope nope nope, gotta prove it using these methods I ordained which is contradictory to your claims." >continues to watch porn.
I would respect atheists so much more if they dropped all the bullshit, all the pretense, all the pseudo-intellectual jibberish and just admit >I dont want to believe in god because I like masturbating while eating pizza.
I'd respect you guys so much more.
Life is a genetic accident. Sentience is an accident. The source of life is the primordial soup. Fish are our ancestors. You are your brain. Materialism is real.
If God is the source of morality, then morality is absurd.
The ultimate, infinite system of reward and punishment in Christianity has absolutely nothing to do with observing moral rules. When you're born, God has already marked your soul to be tortured in a realm called Hell for eternity because of 'original sin'. Some Christians don't believe in original sin; still, they do believe that the very moment a child commits any act of wrongdoing, God marks them for Hell. Which includes believing in another god, thus breaking the first commandment, such as if you were born on the opposite side of the world from Jerusalem and get taught a different creation myth.
From that point on, it doesn't matter if you commit a hundred murders or never hurt a soul in your life. The only way to not be sent to Hell by God is to believe in God.
You don't understand dude, I need to spread my faith on the pedophile board of the anime porn website. Where else would my christtard moralfagging belong?
Did jesus fuck those prostitutes and call those tax collectors morons in his off time?
Because maybe then the jerking off and seething at anonymous posters would equate.
i feel I can believe in the idea of some uncaring external mechanism outside our universe that made everything. but this idea that there's God that loves everyone, gives a shit about humans, that's just nonsense tbh
whats the difference between that and a careing mechanism have you ever tried to be more healthy i dno what the fuck my gut biome is but i eat natural yoghurt to help it all the fuckkking time!
The default position to any claim is agnosticism, but it is worth noting that there are very few explicitly atheist explanations of the universe or arguments for atheism that arent just a response to theism
Atheists are annoying in that they make their anti-religion psychosis the core of their personality and become just as fucking annoying as evangelicals and mormons about it, they feel the need to insert it everywhere.
Why can't you just be a fucking agnostic and realize there is no way to either prove or disprove god's existence so arguing about it is a waste of time?
People who actively abandon religion in order to "rebel" against it just go and find another religion like trannoids or morons.
similarly
why can't all religious people just realize that there's nothing inherent about their religion that places it above all other religions
they should also just become agnostic
Didn't say otherwise, annoyingly religious people are dipshits, but atheists like to pretend they're above it all while acting like jehova's witnesses.
You tell that to the trannoid who killed 6 in Nashville.
BTW, people have a higher chance of being killed by lightning than by a religious nut, unless said religious nut is a muslim, which I'm sure is not exactly what you'd like to hear.
why do theists get so emotional over this, it's ok to be irrational if it makes you feel good and doesn't hurt others, nobody judges you for being religious
the thing I find annoying about atheism today is people think that because they don't believe in God that that somehow makes the shit they believe in more rational. people go on about morals being subjective, then start reeing when other cultures do shit they don't like.
>there are infinite universes >therefore there is one with God >God is omnipotent >therefore God exists in all universes >b-buh >OMNIPOTENCE
Sorry atheist losers, you've been SCIENCED.
>I don't believe in God. Can you understand that? Look around you man. Cant you see? The clamor and din of those in torment has to be the sound most pleasing to his ear. And I loathe these discussions. The argument of the village atheist whose single passion is to revile endlessly that which he denies the existence of in the first place. Your fellowship is a fellowship of pain and nothing more. And if that pain were actually collective instead of simply reiterative then the sheer weight of it would drag the world from the walls of the universe and send it crashing and burning through whatever night it might yet be capable of engendering until it was not even ash. And justice? Brotherhood? Eternal life? Good god, man. Show me a religion that prepares one for death. For nothingness. There's a church I might enter. Yours prepares one only for more life. For dreams and illusions and lies. If you could banish the fear of death from men's hearts they wouldnt live a day. Who would want this nightmare if not for fear of the next? The shadow of the axe hangs over every joy. Every road ends in death. Or worse. Every friendship. Every love. Torment, betrayal, loss, suffering, pain, age, indignity, and hideous lingering illness. All with a single conclusion. For you and for every one and everything that you have chosen to care for. There's the true brotherhood. The true fellowship. And everyone is a member for life. You tell me that my brother is my salvation? My salvation? Well then damn him. Damn him in every shape and form and guise. Do I see myself in him? Yes. I do. And what I see sickens me. Do you understand me? Can you understand me?
so in summary the most powerful arguments for the existence of god so far are >the number 3 doesn't physically exist either
and >science has proven that there are things outside our universe (not true btw), therefore they are god as this was foretold of in the bible (it wasn't)
very nice job, i'll be going down to my local garden gnomery to convert tomorrow
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>No one can disprove that God exists
If something doesn't exist, there is no proof of its existence, so you cannot "disprove its existence". If there is no proof of something existing, it is safe to assume it does not exist until new proof surfaces. Otherwise we would have to consider made up things as "potentially real" >I discovered a new species! The long-nosed Porcupine! >Great! where are your findings and proof? >I don't have any >So you didn't discover a new species... >Well, you didn't disprove it exists, so it MAY exist, and I was the first to claim that it does!
He's right. You cannot claim there is no God until you prove it.
i fucked your mom at sometime in her life, you can't disprove it thus it happened
You post here, disproven.
You cannot prive the absence of something infinite outside of material space. Its inherently unfalsifiable. Thats why the athesit position is inherently illogical and emotional only.
Atheism is 1/4th white guilt, 1/4th "fuck you daddy" and 1/2 hedonism.
They will badger any claim or position or any form of evidence till the dawn of time so they don't feel guilty about touching their peepee at night.
That's actually kinda funny.
The position of most atheists during the enlightenment up to the turn of the century was to prove God existed, you need to prove that the universe had a beginning. The position of atheists was that the universe was infinite, timeless and eternal.
When the big bang was discovered, the secular world had a complete and utter fit about it. It was the intelligent design argument of its age.
When the evidence for it was just too great, they moved the goal post and did post hoc recreational history that the church tried to hide the discovery of the big bang. The church tried to hide the discovery a bishop found.
This should tell you that their claim of intelligent inquiry is dubious and mostly a facade. 90% of their actions and arguments prove this
>t-the big bang proves that god exists...
>It just does...
>...OKAY?!?
>God?
Yes
>Abraham's desert Bullshit?
No
>I pick and choose what I want to believe but when someone calls me out on it oh boy you better look out
Yes atheists are usually just butthurt children
Ive met some that arent and had great respect for them. Not everyone finds God off the bat. But being a giant gay saying something which you have no ifea about doesnt exist because dinosaurs or something certainlt isnt going to help you. Maybe that's the goal for them. They dont want God. Easier to just not have to grow.
>But being a giant gay saying something which you have no ifea about exists
look in the mirror gay
and vice versa, theists cannot prove anything so they are also illogical and emotional
But theism has an ability to be proven. Atheism has no ability to be proven.
They are not the same. They are in fact opposites. Cope harder goy.
>But theism has an ability to be proven
lol sure thing
you people are so deluded and scared of not having a sky daddy
Go ahead then gay
Okay prove it
Placing God, unicorns, unobtanium and extra terrestrial anal probing in the same bracket is a good plan, anon. You will go far.
The existence of God is a possible answer to the questions “How did the universe come to be?” and “What happens to consciousness after death?” It is an answer that cannot be disproven, which, by the scientific method, says that it cannot be discarded. If there is no evidence that God does not exist, then it must be accepted as a possible answer, even if you don’t believe in it.
if you're asking questions like "how did the universe happen" you have to ask "how did god happen". If you're concerned about consciousness you have to know what consciousness is to begin with. hint: chaos theory at a large scale
I’m not even an atheist but this is retarded. The burden of proof is on the person claiming something happened or something exists.
No one can “prove” god exists. That’s the point of faith. You either believe in it or you don’t.
It’s not even about burden of proof, it’s about the fact a negative can’t be proven.
It's an extraordinary claim and thus requires extraordinary proof, the burden of which rests on theists.
a 16 year old reddit atheist can respond to this, embarrassing
Is this movie any good? Like aside from good quotes and shit is it entertaining or boring?
It's literal, actual, unironic propaganda. Worth a watch to laugh at how bad it is.
it's definitely so bad it's good
the ending in particular is so fucking crazy you won't believe it's happening, it makes the whole thing worth it by itself
Its good in not an insightful or legitimately entertaining way but as a testament to the state of evangelical “art”
It's free on youtube
It is funny, has over the top acting, and ridiculous caricatures. The atheist philosophy professor trope is the funniest to me because I'm a philosophy majory and the subject is deeply intertwined with religion
I'm religious but that movie was dogshit.
I am a devout Christian (Christ is King and aI denounce the Talmud), and the only Christian movies I can recommend are The Jesus Film with Brian Deacon as Christ, the Passion of the Christ, and Martin Luther. That's it. Everything else is trash, ESPECIALLY this shitfest of a movie. The gayest thing in all cinematic history isn't when Jake Gigglyhall boned Heath Ledger. It's in this movie when all the students get up one by one in the auditorium to declare that God is not dead, and then every jackass who just watched the movie sent a text message to people in their contacts that God's not dead. I must have received like a dozen texts from people in my church when this movie first came out. I went with my church to see The Passion, but I refused to see this pile of steaming shit that made nothing but strawmen for the freshman to defeat. Fuck this movie.
define God and define what it means to "prove" something exists
Define "define"
I'm an atheist and even I agree with this. It's why I usually call myself an agnostic.
>tips fedora
Yeah, yeah, I know...
Atheists will just say atheism = lack of belief in God. Not affirmative belief that we know there's no God. You can be agnostic atheist (lack belief in God but don't claim to know).
>Atheists will just say atheism = lack of belief in God
This is such a pseud motte and bailey. I've never met an atheist that was able to keep it in their pants how not only do they think there is no god but that it's their job on this earth to tell everyone there isn't.
>I never met an Atheist
That's just it. If they were quiet about it like you wanted, you wouldn't know. You only know the outspoken ones, so you think they all are. Confirmation bias. Also we like to argue because people do crazy stuff in the name of religion. They also do crazy shit in the name of diversity and I rail against that too.
Oh my God shut the fuck up with your hyper literal bullshit you defective sack of shit.
I have met people who say they don't believe in God. I'm speaking hyperbolically. You'd fucking know that if you weren't so God damn fucking stupid.
Go ask God yourself how important being so pedantic is after you have a nice day.
>I'm speaking hyperbolically
I figured as much when you called me a defective sack of shit. You aren't persuading anyone.
you're just an atheist
how many people do you think would actually claim they know, for certain, that there is no god? pretty much nobody. that would require some kind of magical absolute knowledge that nonreligious people aren't going to believe in, by definition.
if 99.9% of atheists are "agnostic atheists," then that's just being an atheist.
no dude theres a difference athiests belive there is a lack of evidence agnostics dont understand the evidence religobros belive the evidence is sufficient
oh, so you're stupid
made me laugh one of the best comments in the thread albeit verry mean lmao im also stupid makes it even funnier "im not agnostic"
You can’t prove a negative. This is an axiom of knowledge.
When atheists ask for "proof" or "evidence", they never specify what would qualify as proof or evidence in their eyes. They do this specifically so they can wave away any evidence brought before them as not being evidence or proof. It's called an empirical spiral. They are demanding empirical evidence (empirical evidence being exclusively natural) to prove a being beyond time and space exists.
Atheism is simply a smokescreen for hedonism and no atheist has proven me otherwise. Their "secular inquiery" is simply a Trojan horse to allow degeneracy.
Yes, but this is well known by all religious people alike
>When atheists ask for "proof" or "evidence", they never specify what would qualify as proof or evidence in their eyes.
Booming voice descending from the heavens to commmand a crowd of several thousand bystanders. Someone genuinely walking on water, turning water to wine or raising the dead. A trumpet that when played tears down concrete walls. If you want to go more metaphysical everyone walking up tomorrow knowing God exists for sure, then deciding whether to follow Him or not. All these things supposedly happened fairly regularly, yet non of them happen anymore.
silence of God does seem strange. like why doesn't he just show up and chill with us for a couple days every couple years. do a tour, going from city to city, then bouncing.
God parts the waters for the Hebrews but leaves the train tracks to Dachau curiously unscathed.
God is a pragmatic, he knows that by having a couple thousand garden gnomes wasted in the camps, then they would get to rule the west for 100 years.
>X say that no one can prove the existence of Y, but I say no one can disprove that Y exists
If something can only exist if it is proven through your own methodology, a methodology that has been proven to be questionable, let alone you're completely fine with other concepts being true without it proven through this methodology, you're being deliberately dubious.
If this was about any other matter than Christianity, you wouldn't be this hard pressed.
"athiests say nobody can probe god"
"but nobody can prove the big bang"
This universe requires a Creator. Something cannot come from nothing. Everything that is has an origin.
God revealed Himself through the events of the Bible and His Son Jesus.
Who created God then?
No one. God has always existed.
>say a rule
>but what about god
>god doesn't need to obey a rule
the theist argument is God is a necessary being. The universe is a contingent entity because it could possibly not exist. Thus it needs a creator
Well god could very possibly not exist, and a giant space elephant could have created god. Are you denying the existence of Pachyaweh?
i suppose the theist argument is that God is not just a God and has certain attributes (All-powerful, All-knowing, All-loving), and is a necessary being thus cannot have a creator.
those atributes that are defined by mortals are the attributes of an imortal fyi
This is a fair response to someone who is making a bad argument, but no serious religious philosopher has ever made the claim that "all things must have a cause"
The short answer to the question is that God is the ground of Being. No, I wont elaborate.
>thing I invented as an answer has to exist because...it just has to!
Rather, existence MUST exist because it exists. What is existence in essence?
Yes existence has to exist because we see it.
But a God or a flying noodle creature doesn't have to because we don't see it.
And I mean literally not "in the eyes of a baby" or "the rays of the sun" bullshit.
you dont have to that is a substantiation beyond its misinformed equivication
"we need to understand"
"there is an understanding"
"i do not understand"
"neaither do i ""ok""
i think the idea is that god is the universe and he created himself how you ask nobody knows but ways of doing it would involve cyclicle time multiple dimensions ect even persepton could be fucked with i guess observence might enforce existance and god may have observed itself and therefore existed
how can something be aware if it does not exist ?
maybe it was not always aware
what created the awareness then the unaware obervation of an existance?? maybe
so why was there something and not nothing?
maybe there was both in different places that allowed the observation maybe something fills nothing and nothing fills something like a snake eating its tail
This universe requires causality. We don't know how it works in the heavenly dimension where God operates. Time and space might not even exist there. Why would the Creator be beholden to the physical laws of his own creation?
Also He explains it in the Bible. His Name is literally "I AM" the self-existent one.
except of Mega-God, the creator of creating and God
But what created Mega-God?
Mecha-God.
Who created the universe?
Me
>Something cannot come from nothing
nothing of the gaps
recurring mindset is it
>being beyond time and space exists
>something infinite outside of material space
yeah athesit position is inherently illogical and emotional only
it's all cope
"god" issue is first and ultimately a psychosociological issue
>Something cannot come from nothing.
prove it
Matter can neither be created or destroyed. It didn’t require a “creator.”
>everything has an origin
>except god which has always exists
everytime with you keks
>something can't come from nothing
>ps god is exempt from that
It’s gods all the way down bruh
ps
we call god that thing you cant describe
so if you can't describe god then by definition every religion is wrong
>atheists when someone worships god instead of pepsi co
conservatives when a company has clothes they dont like
Cobson isn’t a coalburner.
Look in the mirror you gay
this is truly beautiful cope. the statistical fact is that the vast majority of leftists and trannies are atheist. nothing will ever change this. that’s the data.
That guy is a gay.
Good luck disproving this lol.
Everyone who disbelieves in a creator, an afterlife, an order to the universe also believes that souls randomly go into bodies of the wrong gender.
>catholics say that no one can prove the existence of Pinocchio and they're right but I say no one can disprove that Pinocchio exists.
>What is your favorite movie quote?
any line from my favorite movie American Psycho.
Why is Christianity the only religion atheists ever go after? They don't have shit to say about Islam or Judaism.
Because Jesus is the greatest to do it.
Atheism is 1/4th white guilt, 1/4th 'fuck you daddy" and 1/2 hedonism.
When an atheist is confronted by islam they will start twerking like a bitch in heat to apologize to their melonin. Likewise, when a garden gnome is present they will suck their dick like a two dollar whore sucking down on candy. They're extremely predictable.
The funnest thing to do when an atheist starts quoting atrocities or naughty things from the bible, simply ask since its the gnomish part of the bible that they have such issues with if they ever brought it up to a garden gnome?
You will watch their righteous indignation evaporate before your eyes and see them turn into sniveling little mumbling gays refusing to answer the question and trying desperately to change the subject.
Dude, I just haven't seen anything to convince me your shit is real. I don't care about religion
Because the atheists going after Christianity are overwhelmingly Americans who grew in retarded evangelical households & communities. 99% of American atheists have never seen a mosque or perhaps even met a Muslim.
Islam & Judaism are not really part of American culture, and they're only part of American politics when it comes to bombing brown countries or sending money to Israel. Vocal atheists are like anyone else, they want to be heard and related to, so if everyone around them is Christian, then of course they're going to be talking about Christianity.
There's nothing productive about an atheist going around saying "wow Islam is fucking stupid" because the Christians around them already believe that.
>we want to be heard!
We've heard you gay, you want to play with your penis. We know. You just dont like the fact that we keep telling you its wrong.
Atheists are the ones telling you it's wrong to saw off the top of your son's penis with a knife because someone hallucinated a vengeful deity telling them that 6000 years ago.
but it's okay to castrate your children because globohomo scientists told you right?
No, and the atheist community online were literally the first ones calling out SJWs and trannies as insane. Meanwhile, Christian pastors wear rainbow robes and hop on TikTok to say Jesus was trans.
Why are you lying? The only atheists who turned against globohomo liberalism was due to having the guns they aimed at conservative people all their lives finally turned on them, which they found dehumanizing.
90% of atheists are all globohomo liberal bbc-fetishists then and now. They still think theres a socialist utopia just as long as they get rid of rednecks.
those people rejects facts and science just like religion
inb4 i love science retardism
> forgets christianity doesnt mandate circumcision while judaism and islam does.
>will forget this in five minutes and repeat this again ad nauseum.
>also will condone child genital mutiliation so they can be their "true gender" because of globohomo will bring about world utopia.
>forgets christianity doesnt mandate circumcision while judaism and islam does.
Jesus said to be circumcised of the heart, he merely transitioned circumcision from a physical ritual to a spiritual one. The New Testament still exists and Christianity holds everything in it is true. So God still mandated sawing your son's dick topper off for 4,000 years.
>The New Testament still exists and Christianity holds everything in it is true
*The Old Testament still exists
Christian gentiles are actually not required to be circumcised. In fact they are forbidden to because it represents rejecting the new Christ covenant for the old law covenant.
The only ones required to be snipped are garden gnomes and gnomish slaves. Which is why ~~*they*~~ pushed for the scam.
atheism is cryptojudaism, remember the forerunner to intersectional feminism was atheism+
Christianity already disproves Islam and Judaism.
Modern Judaism is not the same Judaism as the one that garden gnomes were following back in Jesus' time. The Talmud wasn't even written until after Christ died and it was only written in response to the growing popularity of Christianity hence the passages about Jesus boiling in poo in Hell.
Islam is basically a Christian cult offshoot. They still believe Jesus is the Messiah and He will return at the Second Coming but they believe in a bunch of weird stuff like Jesus magically faking his crucifixion which makes no sense theologically.
Islam and Judaism aren't in a constant state of being butthurt about evolution, or if they are they shut up about it.
Ah yes because Muslims are just INFAMOUS for being quiet about things they disagree with lol
ok retard
Because ex-muslims tend to get killed you stupid retard kek
>if god doesn't exist then who created the universe?
if i say we dont know where we come from or what it is or what anything is or what anything comes from but we are we exist
and we call that witch is before all else God
why do you disagree?
yesterday is not evidence of tomorrow
and yet we call yesterday the past
and tomorrow the future
theese ideas are monolithic unfalsifiable absurdities
what is all the theological discussion? quote is correct. its a null point
the theological position is that god himself has given us thousands of years of evidence while science has disproven its anttheological belifes hundreds of times in its short existance
if we stretch to encompass humans inherent ability to seek god then god has given us evidence of his existence since our existance
if you are not happy that hundreds of thousands of years of religion is considerd evidence of any sort then there is nothing to discuss
>theism: You can't prove that he doesn't exist therefore he does!
>atheism: let's study something and if our findings don't match up with what we can prove to be true then we should study it some more
let me translate your faux argument
>theism "religion that has been inherent since our inception speaks to a universal truth"
>Athiesm "we only belive things we can prove we are the masters of the universe there is nothing outside of our pervuew even though clearly we infact admit we quite litterly dont understand antything and contradict ourselfs constantly but the one thing we do know is that there definatly is no god!!!!"
i added some of your flavour in the athiesm part
The fact that this image always causes a thread to hit bump limit is truly something else.
Thank you for your service OP.
God has been telling me I should rape the neighbor's daughter and then crucify her on the front lawn as a warning to all whores. Being unable to disprove it really being God, I realize I must now obey. Thankyou.
find any religion any tenent of any religion that agress that atributes itself to god and look for any similarities with your feelings you might just be mentally ill
i know this is bait but its a faux argument "x told me to do x"
ooorrr your deraigned
it dosent even matter whats more likely the point being that is not the only possibility
The first clause of the first amendment of the bill of rights is written as follows
>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
The founding fathers could not have been clearer that the American government is secular.
Yeah but then laws make no sense
>I have to use the threat of eternal suffering to curb my malicious desires
what's your logical explanation for why murder is wrong
Because it harms the community.
why is that wrong
Because as a species we've evolved to support each other as it's the best way to ensure our own survival. Why do you need to be threatened with eternal suffering to be a normal decent human being?
Why does that make it wrong? Can you prove that good and evil exist and why one is good and one is evil?
>why does a negative impact to survival equal wrong??
killing people who negatively impact survival odds is also a net gain for the community.
Why is a negative impact for survival wrong
can you explain it? You're using circular reasoning
I do actually believe in good and evil I'm just pointing out that an atheist logically shouldn't
it's a funny thought exercise watching you people squirm when you realize you have no proof according to your own beliefs that necrophilia, rape, and murder are wrong
survival = good is an axiom of the existence of all life. trying to "define" axioms leads to circular/faulty reasoning, just as trying to "define" the axioms of male and female leads to people thinking they can be women by cutting their dicks off.
Yeah but the fact that you're refusing to define or explain something yet act on it regardless clearly means you know its inherently illogical
Why is survival good?
>This conflict proves that morality is relative.
lol an entirely illogical position, even Kant acknowledged this position was inherently retarded
>this guy thinks 3+3=5
>this guy thinks it's 6
>"clearly it's relative"
lmao
>you're refusing to define or explain
Or I'm talking about how, axioms, can't be defined by concepts that depend upon them as axioms. Another example, beyond the chud bit, is the "proof" for 2+2=4. a spiraling mess of self-referencing that everyone either gives up reading or trying to elaborate on.
The "proof" for an axiom is the real world. If you don't survive, you're dead. If you're born male, you're a man. If you take two objects, and put another two objects near them, there will be four objects. etc etc.
>If you don't survive, you're dead. If you're born male, you're a man. If you take two objects, and put another two objects near them, there will be four objects.
Yeah but this has no relevance to something being good or bad
survival = good. That is the axiomatic basis of all concepts related to "good vs evil."
>survival = good
Can you prove this though? Even 1+1=2 has a proof
I’ve already talked about the “proof” for 1+1=2. Since you clearly didn’t understand, maybe you shouldn’t be trying to have a debate on the basis of good and evil.
Your argument was that "everybody gives up reading it" which is an appeal to popularity and not a valid argument
Can you prove that survival is good? or not? Seems like you can't and you just got btfo'd for all time
You're not very bright are you?
Or adding to it. Because math itself depends on 2+2=4 as an axiom, therefore it can’t be defined by concepts that depend on it.
Thanks for admitting I'm right and you can't prove me wrong
I accept your concession.
>can't prove me wrong
>spergs out
Me being right is an inherently undefinable axiom
stay mad
You’re regurgitating an argument that was already defeated at
. No one is trolled.
still seething I see
I win for all time
Thanks for admitting you’re just trolling.
>Y-you're just TROLLING
seethe
It’s all good son, thanks for making me think about what the source axiom of “good and evil” is, and how it’s survival.
yo i shld have done that 10 msges ago the other guy is legit trolling
I don’t really mind when people are just trolling. They usually force me down lines of thought that I wouldn’t otherwise go down.
im 100% sure about 10 messages ago i made a poorly comunicated comment adressing theese issues look for your mispelld non grammerd reply
>I'm right... because I le just amm!!!!
cope more
See
nta but 2+2 is not aximatic. the construction of natural numbers and the concept of addition has a lot of stuff as a formal mathematical proof. pro tip for the future if some retard is trying to play the "whoa how do we even know anything is real without assuming some things" card, just point out that assuming the bare minimum in order for your model of reality to work, with the caveat of reducing the number of assumptions as much as possible when new wisdom is gained, is not the same as believing everything whole cloth that some gnomish pedophiles wrote down 2000 years ago.
2+2=4 is an axiom of all math. Therefore using math to prove it doesn’t work.
The proofs for axioms of abstracts in the real world.
>survival = good is an axiom of the existence of all life
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantis#Sexual_cannibalism
?
>here, to prove that survival isn't always good, here's a behavior of a species that isn't extinct.
I interpreted your original post as personal survival, not survival of the species. Like, would it be wrong for someone to kill you for no reason? The species would be fine
it's about the propagation of genes. all life is a glitch that exists to replicate non-sentient chains of amino acids.
fuck garden gnomes, fuck morons, and especially fuck you stupid christ cucks
See
Who negatively impacts survival odds? Who decides that? You seem like you negatively impact survival odds to me, would that make it OK for someone to kill you?
A person who’s murdering people or shitting on food/water sources would be an example of a “negative impact to survival.”
see this anon is why your fucked up theres proof for those things on many levels in many systems acording to many mechanisms on both sides
explain wearing linen though or some other absured shit that turned out to be profound understanding thousands of years after the fact
>wearing linen though
that bits about mixing types of cloths, one will shred the other.
am just sayin there building houses on sand so we can play in the mud theres some wild shit in religous teaching that if you really think about it blows your fucking mind "How on earth could they know that ""they didnt its an insane coincedence but wow the benefit those people got from blindly following without understanding the larger picture"
why do we need to prove it to have a debate on the merits of your argument
can i prove something is good for all humans
i think i can even in idea land
can i prove something is good for all things i can in idea land depending on how we define good
if we agree that there is no good or evil can you replace the mechanisms ?? or does it leave a void?
I've answered two of your questions now, time to answer mine.
Why?
They exist objectively and distinct from human existence
that's a different conversation though
All I'm saying is that if you don't believe in God then you logically shouldn't believe in wrong or right either
that's why the other anon had a little spergout
>good and evil exist
They don't, at least not prescriptively. We often describe things as good or evil because of the good or bad consequences they bring, but that's all. The fact different societies often consider the same thing good evil, ritually holy or ritually unclean, goes along to prove that.
Many societies call slavery objectively morally wrong. Christianity instead prescribes a system to perpetuate slavery in the old Testament while Jesus commanded slaves to stay in their position and obey their master.
Christianity argues that slavery, when practiced according to God's laws, is morally good, because God prescribed for it, and anything God does must be good. Other societies argue that slavery is objectively morally wrong.
This conflict proves that morality is relative.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html
>https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html
Holy cope
>Slave ownership was a common practice long before the time the Mosaic Law was given. So, the law neither instituted slavery nor ended it; rather, the law regulated it.
God is supposed to be an all powerful entity but he can't stop the garden gnomes from not enslaving gentiles and each other because "everyone did it back then lol". God can do whatever he wants. The fact he did not outlaw slavery means God does not oppose slavery, simple as. Instead, he painstakingly set out rules to CODIFY how slavery would work. That means he did worse than a mere mortal like Thomas Jefferson, who at least wrote in the constitution that the triangle trade would end.
Verses such as
>“Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven” (Colossians 4:1).
again do not condemn or oppose slavery. In fact, it analogizes the relationship between Master and slave to that between God and man; thus, the system of slavery is portrayed as something godly. And as we know, the potter hath power over the clay.
>Jesus and the apostles did not outright condemn slavery. They didn’t need to.
The absolute peak of cope. Why did Jesus need to condemn anything else, then?
Historically, abolitionists attempted with fervor to use the Bible to end slavery in places like America. It didn't work. Slave owners in the antebellum south reasonably read the Bible as codifying slavery and were unmoved by northerners' appeals to general mercy or holiness. After all, Jesus spoke to masters and simply told them to be good masters. So that's what those of the antebellum south tried to be.
don't forget how God gives a holy command "thou shalt not kill"
then next thing he does is order the garden gnomes to commit literal genocide
WHICH IS IT YOU BIPOLAR FUCK
I'm an atheist anon but lemme qualify that for you. The commandment is typically translated as "thou shalt not murder." This seems like a trivial distinction but murder is understood as an 'unsanctioned' killing, one done outside the law of man (capital punishment, a defensive war) or the law of God (commanding genocide to take land, or the flood).
Of course, it is pretty silly that killing is bad except when God says it's good. Especially since any of God's commanded killings could reasonably result from a spiritually bankrupt, evil society, such as dashing the heads of babies of the enemy on rocks. But that's religious thinking for you.
when you look at that with logic "tho shall obey the laws of the land" i always got the inclination that somebody smart who knows what the fuck is up might tell you to kill and thats ok HIII ARMY
not to mention God being all-powerful and still somehow needing his chosen people to commit mass murder and mass rape
he even used his powers to break down the walls of the city so the garden gnomes could go in and murder-rape, but didn't just poof all the people in the city elsewhere, which would have had the same end result: garden gnomes have the city
What’s funny about this is how the reason every capital case lists “THE PEOPLE” as a plaintiff is to distribute the act of “murder” that is capital punishment.
> a material cosmos can exist in and of itself
atheists are retards.
>the universe can't exist in and of itself but god can because... because he just can, ok!?!?
I think you're the retard here.
>Christians will defend this
What's your problem with this verse? It talks about Jesus Ascending to Heaven which he did and the apostles documented. It's not talking about the apocalypse like atheist keep misreferencing.
>the apostles documented
There is no line in the gospels referencing the apostles witnessing Jesus ascend to heaven. People just found his tomb was empty 3 days later. So no, it cannot reference Jesus ascending to heaven, because nobody there saw it.
Why you lying?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_of_Jesus
Luke 24:51
At least know what you’re talking about before you start arguing
>People just found his tomb was empty 3 days
You're thinking of the resurrection.
think outside the box ever watch joe rogan
it does not even say die
imagine this kino *if it was a film scene* scenario
man is injured fatally &his heart stops but he lives after& dmt floods his brain he sees the son in all his glory he dances on clouds he swims in the starrs he gains an ident memory becomes a mathmatical sevant then wakes up alive he has been in a coma
before we die our brain floods with dmt thats a fact
can you explain it or what
God exists, but he is just the universe itself
just a reminder that if you need god to know that killing an innocent person is a bad thing, you are low iq and religion is to keep people like you in check. meanwhile let the upper classes have some fun
when i was younger religon stopped me beating the living fuck out of tens of people kek
You mean it stopped your little, gay ass from picking a fight and getting your teeth smashed in?
>I can exercise Christian morality without Jesus and God
The cultural and moral decline of formerly Christian western nations proves, this is incorrect.
>'I dont need no sky daddy to tell me murder is wrong'
All the Abortion clinics would tell me otherwise.
>killing morons before they're born is wrong
So you don't believe murder is wrong then?
see
>How can murder be wrong unless there's a strong guy in the clouds who says he thinks it's wrong
Why did every other society in history also come to the conclusion that unsanctioned killing is wrong? It's almost like the community discouraging and penalizing murderers and other disruptive crimes is necessary to the formation of a lasting society.
You can't disprove the existence of other gods like Zeus or Odin either by that logic
Allah or even that elephant headed bitch
>rationalism
>empiricism
>objectivity
>falsifiability
no argument for the existence of god appeals to any of these things, and in every case has to outright reject one or more of them. the only argument for god is
>muh feelings
which is garbage. you're a collection of cells, cope. souls aren't real
bro the same is said for science and your acting like that list you listed is complete
retard. science is not inherently dogmatic, it is a set of principles for investigating the natural world. falsifiability and evidence are the core fucking tenants you clown.
science is not inherently dogmatic
>ignores reality/10
lmao lol even
>there are stupid people who "LOVE SCIENCE" even though their beliefs are objectively unscientific in nature
>therefore science is the same as religion!
room temperature IQ, i can not even imagine how tired everyone in your life is of talking to you
you agreed with me and pretended it was a joke
then you made up something i didnt say and then had the audacity to read into a synopsis of your own estranged opinion and ascribe it to me asif you think people reading this are iddiots
>iddiots
you know what man i think you really need god to be real, so yeah have at it.
what fucking schizo shit are you talking about? no one said any of those things (and you're wrong on almost every single one kek, including the religious statements). you seem to be an expert in making shit up, so i can see why religion is innately appealing to you.
man you can just google a formal proof of addition. i know this is a pearls before swine type situation but just shut up and learn something gay
So thanks for admitting you didn’t understand how the “proof” is incomplete.
i mean i get your points and they were on the money but the gaslighting pivot is vomit inducing however well you preformed it and i know you know what i did i made the audience aware of how sick you are albeit well played i go home with the girl
>you're wrong on almost every single one
Um....these are actually proven scientific facts about the universe bud.
Youre obviously ill read and a sufferer of dunning kruger.
>so i can see why religion is innately appealing to you.
Cute. Do you have any actual to say other than vomit?
nope.
>universe is finite
space is expanding, maybe forever (not finite). we also do not know the precise size of the universe because we are restricted to observing what is in our light cone (possibly infinite).
>knows the universe had an origin point
wrong! we know that there was a big bang, when it was, and the conditions of the universe right after, but not before. our universe could be part of a cycle of big bangs, part of the multiverse, or any such number of theories that are impossible to collect any experimental data on at all.
>knows there's something beyond this universe
retard, lmao
>know you cannot measure or test anything outside of space and time
this is like saying you can't have negative apples in a bushel, it's patently retarded thinking.
>the bible says god exists outside of space and time and the universe
it doesn't stupid
wow you're so smart! tell me more!
>space is expanding
Which means its finite. If I blow a balloon, is the balloon limitless or not?
>maybe forever
There is no such thing as 'forever' in the tangible world anon.
>wrong! we know that there was a big bang, when it was, and the conditions of the universe right after, but not before.
Which is the definitions of an origin and an origin point.
>our universe could be part of a cycle of big bangs, part of the multiverse, or any such number of theories that are impossible to collect any experimental data on at all.
Those are hypothetical copes for the discovery of the big bang. There is little, if any to prove M theory at all. Its worse than believing in god because now you're going into infinite regresses.
>retard, lmao
If the universe does crunch in infinite loops like you believe, whats outside the universe at that time? Im not gonna go into the details of the evidence but, suffice it to say, you're retarded.
>this is like saying you can't have negative apples in a bushel, it's patently retarded thinking.
God you're fucking retarded. Like I suspect legit down syndrome or something.
>it doesn't stupid
It states this multiple times my man.
Maybe you could read a book for once rather than listening to big think or the amazing atheist on youtube.
>no you!
everything i posted is backed up by objective evidence. independently verified observations of our universe. i can produce sources effortlessly for everything i said, can you? i'll make it simple for you and reduce it down to a single one of your retarded claims.
>knows theres something beyond this universe.
so, science -knows- there's something beyond this universe? got a single fact to back that up? if it's settled science it should be trivial to explain, so i'm waiting dipshit.
yes, people are dumb. some dumb people repeat smart ideas though. this has nothing to do with objective reality, it exists independent of everyone being dumb or everyone being smart.
How can you read something, not understand a single word they said and still reply with such conviction and indignity?
Anon, juat calm down your autism. You're lowering the I.Q of everyone else on the board.
that's what i fucking thought.
There are legit scientists who perpetuate and wnforce scientism on a regular basis. There have been multiple upon multiple cases of scientist fudging the results of experiments to get the results they wanted and ones who have laundered money from the government for faux studies and never got any jail time. These people are allowed to do this due to scientism and plebs believing and thinking scientists arw a form of wizard-priests.
I could even go into the fact that multiple disciplines of science, such as medical science, have had a sharp and steady decline due to seperation from the church ans when talk about the rise in secular science they are specifically talking about technology (which shouldn't honestly be classified as a science honestly) but I digress.
Scientism is really bad because not only does it perpetuate science as a religion, it dogmatises and strangles science from studying taboo subjects.
Its infinitely worse than any christian example you could bring up.
>people are fallible and not perfect therefore our only recourse is to abandon reason and worship christ
you're a brainlet man, simple as. your cope about "medical science being on decline" is so hilarious retarded i can't believe you posted it with a straight face. the only bad thing about scientific progress is that we all get to share in its benefits so retards like you will live longer and have massive boost to your retarded views.
holy cope man. if you're at this level of psychic damage it's time to just close the tab instead of typing out whatever the fuck that sad post was. jesus christ save us!
<3 love you two bro im kinda having fun i accept your reluctant rethinking i make it easy to see who i am so you dont have to guess jej
>"medical science being on decline"
To be fair, anyone looking at transgenderism and can’t see that as anything but a decline. But that is really just a mix of “psychology” and cosmetic surgery. “Psychology” has tons of stupid Shit in its history.
psychology was a mistake. what did that ever fix?
Well, for a while we were putting criminals in asylums and isolating/sterilizing them instead of just letting them make more criminals.
christ cucks will malign the dogmatic practices of certain scientists and pseudo scientific practices because they emulate the strict hierarchies of religious practice too much, which is... only bad when other people do it. it's a good system though! heaven!
>i read about le science man doing a bad gnomish psyop! science is evil and religion is based!
like what do you want me to refute? playing around with you at all is a level of discourse that you don't deserve and don't have the ability to properly receive, and you want to have a serious discussion? okay, let's go there dipshit, tell me where's your evidence that god exists that isn't in your feefees?
Well yeah, when non-skydaddyfags are dogmatic it means they’re following THE GREAT ENEMY
yes thanks the lord i was born in this particular tribe out of literal tens of thousands throughout human history that has selected the one true religion and i can reject all objections outright because i feel it in my heart. it would really suck if i was born anything else and just went to hell.
>okay, let's go there dipshit, tell me where's your evidence that god exists that isn't in your feefees?
Heres where you go full moron.
This argument is called an empirical spiral. Its a techique atheists use to control the argument and be on the offensive. You will not clarify or classify what form of evidence is appropriate so you can dismiss it offhandedly throughout the discussion.
Whats interesting is that, when atheists don't notice that christians are listening, freely admit their methodology is complete shit and simply made so that all proofs of god can be dismissed, which is why they latched so hard onto empirical evidence because its impossible to prove something supernatural with something made to prove the natural.
I'll grab you this empirical proof of god once you find me a wild number 3. Not a picture of a 3, or 3 sticks, but an actual 3.
>b'b'but number are made up things!!
Then all of mathematics, the sole unfallible and constant science, completely falls apart. If the number 3 isn't real then everything falls apart.
I know you'll start saying numbers are bullshit to save face, its what you scientism gays always do and you never realize how damning that practice is.
If you can't find me a number 3, something so integral and important to science and our global society and that we know it real, then I will not play this game with you.
So go ahead and take a pic of a wild number 3 anon. I'll be waiting.
We can find 3 gays in this thread.
You can't find any amount of god.
God isn't even a good tool to predict things, like math is. Prayer has no verifiable influence on outcomes.
So you're admitting you're a retarded gay then? Good!
Go suck on your mommas tittie for some milkies. Its about your bedtime.
I prayed you would take the bait and out yourself as irrational and short-tempered.
>post your evidence god exists
>i don't have to because 3, gay
compelling stuff, i bet you win a lot of arguments in the trailer park.
Either you have no reading comprehension skills or you are deliberately obtuse.
Waiting for that number 3.
there is no number 3 retard, just like there's no god, it's MADE UP kek you absolute fucking mong. it's like
>prove my dreams aren't real
>checkmate atheist
like what the fuck is wrong with you
Once again, mathematic truths are not only onjective truths, they are the most reliable truths in the scientific field.
This "made-up thing" is one of the backbones of modern civilization and has built NASA, the hadron collider and the fucking phone you're using to shitpost.
Just admit you are an atheist simply to be a hedonist. Thats all anyone wants. You gays are willing to destroy anything and everything just so you wont feel bad.
math is a language, it's used to describe problems and solve them. pure math can't prove anything because it can't make observations, only predictions. literally all notation in math is essentially arbitrary as well. any system that is consistent and rational and that can solve abstract problems using pure reason would suffice as a system. stop trying to apply a dogmatic importance to an arbitrary system of runes that represent things in the real world only sometimes.
math is super useful for describing things precisely, that's why people use it to... describe things precisely. it's really nothing more than that you dumb fucker. it also has nothing to do with god, an entity you aren't even arguing for anymore because you don't even have an argument
math literally isn't real you retard. it's an abstract science where you use pure reason to solve problems abstracted from nature. how much of a fucking brainlet do you have to be to think you're making any sort of point here?
> it's an abstract science where you use pure reason to solve problems abstracted from nature.
All mathematicians would tell you otherwise, as well as any science using mathematics would fall apart.
You will literally destroy science just so you can keep playing with your penis guilt-free.
>gets the textbook definition of math
>but but my made up "real" mathematicians disagree!
the issue here is you don't know the difference between reality and thought.
>All mathematicians would tell you otherwise
Name one
Sir isaac newton
Leonhard Eular
John Lennox
Blaise Pascal
Johannes kepler
Ada Lovelace
Alan Turing
I can go on anon.
The problem is that you are thinking completely materialistic and only materialistic.
Yes because math is, has and always has been useless now right?
I sweat you fags would set your mother on fire just so you wouldn't have to admit you're wrong.
>science will fall apart if you don't believe in math!
holy kek anon this is what christ cuckery does to a motherfucker huh
God man, are you 12 or something? You have said nothing of merit, not refuted anything anyone has said and simply acted like a slack jawed gay thinking you don't have the mind of some bat-beaten retard just popped out of the birth canal.
I hope this is bait fishing fpr (you)s because I can't imagine anyone legit being unironic spewing the gadfly infested trash coming out of your mouth.
I'm gonna pray for you to actually stop being a gay homey. You need it.
there are a bunch of scientists that do not realize the is-ought gap and they are a problem.
>knows the universe is finite
>knows that the universe had an origin point
>knows that the universe is curved
>knows theres something beyond this universe.
>know you cannot measure or test anything ANYTHING outside of space and time because its ludicrous.
> this religion over 2 thousand years old said god is beyond space and time, outside the universe.
>"nope nope nope, gotta prove it using these methods I ordained which is contradictory to your claims."
>continues to watch porn.
I would respect atheists so much more if they dropped all the bullshit, all the pretense, all the pseudo-intellectual jibberish and just admit
>I dont want to believe in god because I like masturbating while eating pizza.
I'd respect you guys so much more.
Life is a genetic accident. Sentience is an accident. The source of life is the primordial soup. Fish are our ancestors. You are your brain. Materialism is real.
If God is the source of morality, then morality is absurd.
The ultimate, infinite system of reward and punishment in Christianity has absolutely nothing to do with observing moral rules. When you're born, God has already marked your soul to be tortured in a realm called Hell for eternity because of 'original sin'. Some Christians don't believe in original sin; still, they do believe that the very moment a child commits any act of wrongdoing, God marks them for Hell. Which includes believing in another god, thus breaking the first commandment, such as if you were born on the opposite side of the world from Jerusalem and get taught a different creation myth.
From that point on, it doesn't matter if you commit a hundred murders or never hurt a soul in your life. The only way to not be sent to Hell by God is to believe in God.
>"christian" chantards
You don't understand dude, I need to spread my faith on the pedophile board of the anime porn website. Where else would my christtard moralfagging belong?
Jesus preached to prostitutes and tax collectors. Why would someone spread the word to people who already know it?
Did jesus fuck those prostitutes and call those tax collectors morons in his off time?
Because maybe then the jerking off and seething at anonymous posters would equate.
i feel I can believe in the idea of some uncaring external mechanism outside our universe that made everything. but this idea that there's God that loves everyone, gives a shit about humans, that's just nonsense tbh
whats the difference between that and a careing mechanism have you ever tried to be more healthy i dno what the fuck my gut biome is but i eat natural yoghurt to help it all the fuckkking time!
The default position to any claim is agnosticism, but it is worth noting that there are very few explicitly atheist explanations of the universe or arguments for atheism that arent just a response to theism
Atheists are annoying in that they make their anti-religion psychosis the core of their personality and become just as fucking annoying as evangelicals and mormons about it, they feel the need to insert it everywhere.
Why can't you just be a fucking agnostic and realize there is no way to either prove or disprove god's existence so arguing about it is a waste of time?
People who actively abandon religion in order to "rebel" against it just go and find another religion like trannoids or morons.
similarly
why can't all religious people just realize that there's nothing inherent about their religion that places it above all other religions
they should also just become agnostic
Didn't say otherwise, annoyingly religious people are dipshits, but atheists like to pretend they're above it all while acting like jehova's witnesses.
generally speaking, atheists don't kill people because they're religious, so morally at least they've got one up over religious people
You tell that to the trannoid who killed 6 in Nashville.
BTW, people have a higher chance of being killed by lightning than by a religious nut, unless said religious nut is a muslim, which I'm sure is not exactly what you'd like to hear.
or Buddhist, religiously themed mass murders pretty common among Buddhists
same with Hindu
your talking about india not a religion
Hindu Indians kill and rape Muslim Indians daily
The meaningful factor there is India. Not religions.
Buddhists are pulling their crap in Myanmar
Myanmar is a colony of India
why do theists get so emotional over this, it's ok to be irrational if it makes you feel good and doesn't hurt others, nobody judges you for being religious
0/10 its a shit quote this is like a poormans schizo thread the bait is weak but film religion and the human condition are high key kino
schizo shit is next level fun however this is a poor mans schizo thread facilitated by some nobody but the thread is sound
the thing I find annoying about atheism today is people think that because they don't believe in God that that somehow makes the shit they believe in more rational. people go on about morals being subjective, then start reeing when other cultures do shit they don't like.
>there are infinite universes
>therefore there is one with God
>God is omnipotent
>therefore God exists in all universes
>b-buh
>OMNIPOTENCE
Sorry atheist losers, you've been SCIENCED.
>I don't believe in God. Can you understand that? Look around you man. Cant you see? The clamor and din of those in torment has to be the sound most pleasing to his ear. And I loathe these discussions. The argument of the village atheist whose single passion is to revile endlessly that which he denies the existence of in the first place. Your fellowship is a fellowship of pain and nothing more. And if that pain were actually collective instead of simply reiterative then the sheer weight of it would drag the world from the walls of the universe and send it crashing and burning through whatever night it might yet be capable of engendering until it was not even ash. And justice? Brotherhood? Eternal life? Good god, man. Show me a religion that prepares one for death. For nothingness. There's a church I might enter. Yours prepares one only for more life. For dreams and illusions and lies. If you could banish the fear of death from men's hearts they wouldnt live a day. Who would want this nightmare if not for fear of the next? The shadow of the axe hangs over every joy. Every road ends in death. Or worse. Every friendship. Every love. Torment, betrayal, loss, suffering, pain, age, indignity, and hideous lingering illness. All with a single conclusion. For you and for every one and everything that you have chosen to care for. There's the true brotherhood. The true fellowship. And everyone is a member for life. You tell me that my brother is my salvation? My salvation? Well then damn him. Damn him in every shape and form and guise. Do I see myself in him? Yes. I do. And what I see sickens me. Do you understand me? Can you understand me?
None of these are movie quotes
My favorite movie quote is “there are two kinds of people in this world my friend” from the good the bad and the ugly
>Haha, no one can disprove this abstraction doesn't exist
Discussing your religion or lack thereof is cringe as fuck
The sun will come out tomorrow
science mfs soifacing when they theorize the universe is a simulation by aliens, but at the same time it's just not possible a God could exist.
It's called a hypothetical, like if God existed. You can entertain an idea without believing it.
so in summary the most powerful arguments for the existence of god so far are
>the number 3 doesn't physically exist either
and
>science has proven that there are things outside our universe (not true btw), therefore they are god as this was foretold of in the bible (it wasn't)
very nice job, i'll be going down to my local garden gnomery to convert tomorrow
>get BTFO in two threads
>call janny to delete them
>make this one to cope
lmfao
christ cucks your response? haha
This fucking kino line from Spy Kids 2
I forgot about that line. Gave me a good chuckle.
Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the dark side
Power! Unlimited power!
They fear you. In time, they will destroy you
You will rule all the galaxy as the new emperor
You’re one man against a galaxy full of scoundrels
Vader! I am your master!
Only through me can you achieve a power greater than any Jedi
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>No one can disprove that God exists
If something doesn't exist, there is no proof of its existence, so you cannot "disprove its existence". If there is no proof of something existing, it is safe to assume it does not exist until new proof surfaces. Otherwise we would have to consider made up things as "potentially real"
>I discovered a new species! The long-nosed Porcupine!
>Great! where are your findings and proof?
>I don't have any
>So you didn't discover a new species...
>Well, you didn't disprove it exists, so it MAY exist, and I was the first to claim that it does!
>comfy movie quotes thread
>gays start arguing about existence of god
PLEASE shut the fuck up let's get back on topic everyone
>pic related, cute quote from A Boy Named Charlie Brown
This is literally the designated religious debate thread