Who do you prefer? And why?

its not just Cinemaphile, its like everyone unanimously agreed to hate on sneed movies for being different to force everyone to conform to the norm marvel has set for movies, so now every movie has to be some moronic comedy otherwise its
>UUUHEDGYCRINGELOOL23SERIOUS7ME!!!!!!!!

Sucker Punch actually has a cult following that includes hot alt chicks. The only people who would re watch Gunn's B movie trash are fat ugly perma virgins.

You've never spoken to a woman in your life and you know that's false. Women either don't care about that movie or acknowledge that it's sexist in the way weebs and 14 year old boys are sexist IE harmless but laughably moronic.

I've personally known women that love that movie. Cope and seethe not all of us are total fricking losers like you lol

Tulpa women are real women

Every single Snyder movie has some sort of cult following. Take the Snyderchads for example. There are no Gunn fans out there. Not even the people who like Gunn cares that much about him to be vocal in the outside world.

>Super is a hidden gem and Slither has plenty of cult appreciation and did way before Gunn was making capeshit.
Nopr. Both movies are disgusting low quality goyslop full of reddit quips, shitty characters and boring storylines.

They are some of Gunn's worst. They are edgy but in a try-hard and lazy way. They are not even funny or entertaining. They give the impression to be fan-made parodies from youtube. The Suicide Squad was way better.

>than anything Snyder was alleging to try with his colossal blockbuster trainwrecks
batman no kill
deconstruct batman make him kill
build him up to batman who no kill again
why is this so hard to follow

>But if you flash "Director of the Guardians of the Galaxy trilogy" before a movie, that'll get butts in seats.
Didn't work for The Suicide Squad and we'll see how Superman Legacy does but I think a lot of people are in for a rude awakening when they see Gunn without the Marvel machine behind him.

>They care about money.
Clearly not since they lost over $100 million on TSS. And don't even start with that pandemic excuse bullshit when movies like Free Guy and Godzilla vs Kong released in similar time frames and did way better.

>cope, cope, and more cope
Sorry anon the R rating excuse doesn't cut it anymore when movies like Logan and Deadpool made bank. The reality is nobody gave a frick about Gunn's shitty soft reboot especially not the general public who actually liked the original movie or at least the aesthetic of it. Gunn took that all away so people didn't show up simple as. No need to bend over backwards to defend some talentless hack.

>muh pandemic
I pointed out Logan and Deadpool because you're trying to say the only reason Free Guy and Godzilla were successful during the fake pandemic was because they were PG 13 which is just obviously bullshit since audiences have shown that they will show up to R rated comic book movies. Sure the movie would've done a bit better without the fake pandemic but I guarantee it wouldn't have outgrossed the first movie. There was zero hype around it especially compared to the original which still has some lasting pop culture influence to this day. Meanwhile nobody remembers or talks about Gunn's piece of shit except homosexual redditors like yourself.

>still holding on to the PG 13 cope
Whatever helps you sleep at night James.
>hey wouldn't have kept him around as a creative presence nor would they have bet the entire farm on him
They did all that because they're still desperately trying to chase the success of Marvel and think hiring their sloppy seconds will be the key to their success just like they did with Whedon. And it's already blowing up in their faces because Gunn is a pompous homosexual that can't stop putting his foot in his mouth and sabotaged the remaining DCEU movies by announcing his reboot months in advance. But hey I'm sure if TSS is anything to go by I'm sure his Authority movie will do gang busters!

Yeah it'll crush harder than anything Snyder has done whereas Snyder will kill any good will he has left with Rebel Moon and then hopefully we'll finally be able to move past all of this.

Just watch nignog

>because everybody already knows who batman is and what his origins are
Not this Batman. If you're going to do broad strokes Batman you make him a sequel to a previous incarnation or you use visual reference to cue your audience. Spider-Verse is an example. They cherry pick the best bits of the character's pop culture legacy, including Raimi's films a bunch, to fill in the audience on broad strokes version of the character they're telling. It's the same problem Man of Steel and The Patman have. They want you to bring your baggage but then directly under cut it. People don't know this Batman, you have to sell people on him as a character. That's how storytelling works. I don't need to see the origin story, but if the story of your character is
>he's path to redemption
Then you have to sell me on why he's worthy of redemption. Barebones.

>BvS isn't a story of Batman's redemption, that's Justice League. BvS is the story of Bruce's descent.
I was speaking of the entire narrative arc, anon. Covering both movies.

>Gunn is beloved by the general population at large
Normies barely know their name. Maybe a few nerds like Gunn but even then it's just sympathy at best.

>Perfectly captures what made troma successful
I see your point. I think there are way better Troma movies. I think Super is unpleasant as a movie regardless. But yeah, from a Troma perspective, Super kinda fits the bill.

>deconstructs the superhero better
Now you went full redditor. Watchmen is eons better as a movie, no matter what. The pretentious hidden meaning you want to attribute to it is completely irrelevant. In terms of raw quality, Watchmen is just on another level.

>Guardians of the Galaxy
Goyslop

>Watchmen comic
The squid was always moronic

>Whereas Super points out how you're likely a mentally ill psychotic if you decide to put on a costume and fight crime and shows a harsh reality of what that would look like
Which is exactly what Watchmen shows too

>but in that Troma kind of way it uses the ugliness to insert a bit of bittersweet heart and charm in a way that Snyder could never pull off.
Uh, I agree? Watchmen was never a troma movie to begin with. Maybe you just like those types of movies more? The charm of Watchmen comes from its own beauty. Not only the visual aesthetics like the photography and appearance of the characters but also the portrayal of nihilism, hopelesness and even absurdism as the movie progresses. I guess Super and WM are not so different in that sense since they are oppossites. Super uses its own uglyness to show a ray of hope whereas WM uses its own beauty to reflect on human despair.

Personally, I don't think they have to compete. But it is stupid to pretend the DCEU should be like Super. You can't have a troma Justice League. At least not as the official version. maybe in the new Elseworlds label. In any case, Snyder had the right idea. Gunn has been following Snyder's style accordingly with TSS and Peacemaker. The only thing that is actually moronic is wanting to erase the Snyderverse.

>I'm saying that in general Snyder's movies lack any kind of a soul or emotional core
You are blind. That or you're arguing in bad faith.

The only fact here is you lying out your ass. Clark in Man of Steel makes several choices for himself and drives the plot forward when he wanders the Earth following his father's death. He's the one who makes an effort to track down the scout ship and learn of his true heritage. He makes the choice to turn himself in and learn of Zod's true motives. He formulates the plan to send Zod's forces back to the Phantom Zone. He makes the choice to kill Zod. And in BvS them being reactionary IS THE POINT. Both Superman and Batman are being manipulated by Luthor, and them being reactionary is treated as a bad thing. Instead of communicating through diplomacy, both heroes are blinded by surface level grievances to the point where they can't see the good in each other. Then in Justice League, the plot to form the team is driven by Bruce's agency. He goes out and seeks heroes to fight beside him. But the other heroes have their own agency, too. They initially turn down Bruce and only later make the choice to join forces.

>accidentally gets noticed by Lois and tracked down by her and then reveals himself only after his hand is forced by Zod.
Being tracked down by Lois doesn't affect his agency in any way. And Zod only reveals his existence, not his identity. And even after that, Clark spends much time mulling over what to do. You could make the argument that the priest in Smallville convinces him to do it, but ultimately I think his mind was made up by that point. He chooses to turn himself in to Earth authorities rather than directly into Zod's custody. It's made clear by him breaking the handcuffs and talking to the military through the two-way mirror that he could leave at any time, but he chooses to go along with their wishes in an effort to show that they can trust him - a gambit that ultimately pays off when they join forces officially for the third act.
>Yeah, a plan that falls completely out of his ass.
If you want to be uncharitable, that's your choice. But it's easy to assume that Clark may have learned more about Kryptonian technology while speaking with his father's AI duplicate on the scout ship. The movie doesn't make it clear how long he stayed there.
>Zod leaves him no choice.
The point was that Clark did have a choice. Throughout the movie, he always had a choice. To be a normal man, or to be superman. To keep himself hidden, or reveal himself to the world. To restore Krypton, or to build something new with the people of Earth. If Clark didn't have a choice, the scene would be empty. It's meaningful because it IS his choice. The whole film is about the value of free will over having a set role. Zod is the one who feels he has no choice, so he decides to go on a rampage when his plan fails.

>That was a lead in to the next point, holy shit no wonder you like Snyder movies.
If your point was "his hand was forced by Zod" then I addressed it in that very same post. But go ahead and pretend that I'm ignoring your issues.
>Do you enjoy the arguing?
Do you? lmao
>I don't feel a need to be charitable with this.
Well more power to you then. A discussion can't be had here if that's your mindset.
>Lois being on the military craft at the end
I'll give you this. Doesn't make much sense. It only serves to get Lois to Metropolis so she can get rescued and witness the final fight. Good thing I'm not arguing that Snyder's movies are flawless.
>The bully scene which is made redundant by the scene in the bar anyway
The purpose of the bully scene is the conversation with Jonathan Kent that happens immediately afterward. When his words once again reaffirm the message of choice and free will.
>The overlong action climax
I disagree that it's overlong. After the Smallville fight, Zod enacted his World Engine plan. There was no break because there would be no plausible reason for the heroes to stop when the Earth was in the process of being terraformed.
>The point was that Clark did have a choice.
>If the choice is "Either you die or I do" then that's not a choice.
The choice there was "do I kill the last member of my species to save mankind or not". At least, that was my take away.
>Really I just wanted a reason to care.
See, that's a personal issue. And I'm not going to tell you you're wrong to not like these movies. But I am going to tell you you're wrong that these movies don't have heart or an emotional core. Just because they didn't resonate with you doesn't mean they aren't there. That's just false.

>Argumentum ad populum
Snyder haters confirmed midwits.
And Gunn's DCU is destined to fail. The DC fanbase is divided and nobody wants more quippy capeshit movies. It's over before it even began.

I wont say it's not cringe but at least it vaguely fit the comedic tone of the movie. Snyder is unintentionally comedic in his attempt at being cold and serious

snyder's attempts at being serious are shallow and contrived and unintentionally comedic. the only halfway good movies he's made are carbon copies of source material and dotd which gunn wrote.

Super is more sincere than anything snyder has made

This one moment from 300 is more emotionally resonant than anything in Gunn's entire filmography: https://youtu.be/VaR1dEpa-6E?si=PjI3RfAJjqjPXJ-K&t=193
>dotd which gunn wrote
His script was rewritten but Gunngays never mention that part

>muh character depth in a zombie movie
You sure you're not the autistic one? And the funny part is that the characters actually did have some depth CJ in particular.
>That 300 scene is cheesey as frick anon
Thanks for confirming you're a low T redditor bugman. And imagine calling 300 cheesy while defending Gunn's slop lmao

>300's american cheesy hoorahing bullshit
Way to miss the entire point of the movie which is that it's supposed to be PROPAGANDA. The entire story is told from an unreliable narrator that is trying to rally and hype up his troops to go into battle. But not surprised to discover you're some leftist homosexual that gets all his arguments from Youtube video essays.

Holy shit you're actually moronic. So was Xerces historically 9 feet tall? Did he really use Rhinos in battle? Were the immortals real too?
>the guy reporting the tale isnt implied to be lying
There's a scene where the spartans are fighting literal STRAWMEN. If that doesn't get the point through to you idk what will. https://youtu.be/aCUXncqVEgI?si=kkrbD2EC_as0pKhV&t=44

you like 300?

well, thats because of frank miller (the author and artist of the comic) not because of synder

kek

>translating frank millers comics into live action make you a visionary

does it really?

nah, i dont think so

its like a tracer calling himself an artist

if frank miller wrote and drew sucer punch, id bet youd say it was snyder's magnum opus

also, the only reason why you like sin city and 300 is because of frank miller

not because of snyder or rodriguez

>You're a fricking moron that knows nothing about filmmaking

ive worked in the business for a number of years actaully

and a lot of them, if not all, rely on fantastic artists to make their work look the way it does

oh, i wish i was in craft services

all those long hours slaving away at my desk to make other people's movie look good, in hind sight, it was a joke

>The only other person that's done as good of a job directly translating a graphic novel to the screen is Robert Rodriguez.
lol both sin city and 300 are total fricking garbage movies by inept hacks who personify incompetence while the comics are top notch
they didn't translate shit they greenscreened some badly directed actors and shat out poorly edited mess, par for the course in their careers
kys yourself moron

You just described Cinemaphile, you dumb Black person. Reddit also has insincere and cringe humor, but in the form of lowest common denominator and people pleasing in search of applause type humor.

Guardians 2 definitely. That is his worst movie by a mile and his most indulgently and shittily Marvel. And I can admit this because I'm no loyalist to Gunn. That is an embarrassing movie.

Otherwise? Not in the slightest.

Couldn't be more off and the failure to recognize the fundamental differences is kind of what makes you reddit. Maybe even twitter.

OPEN YOUR EYES, LOOK BEYOND THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CAPESHIT, LOOK TO CAPEKINO

Made by design, you will find no coincidences in this world by Zack's hand

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU'RE LETTING THEM KILL MY MOTHER WHOM I ADDRESS BY HER FIRST NAME

>The entire world becomes a Justice League
Absolute K I N O

You never watched it past the first scene

Why pretend? That's even more pathetic.