Why are all dragons in modern media actually wyverns? Why can't we have real dragons for once? It's like asking for a unicorn and getting a rhino
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Sick of wing cucks. Wrym chads rise up.
Drakes are where it's at
Where my Glaurung chads at?
I love wyrms that cause accidental incest
Animating those extra legs is too expensive for the poo in loo interns they hire.
what's the difference between dragons and wyverns, again? 4 feet vs 2?
dragons have four legs and two wings
wyverns have two legs and two wing-legs
what would it be called if it had no legs, 2 wings?
Lieutenant Dan
Lyndworm
Dragons are insects.
Wyverns are mammals.
both are reptiles, moron
Nothing really, it's dependant on the setting. Autists are just really fixated on British heraldry rules from centuries ago for some reason, probably because it offers them lots of opportunities to go "ACKHTUALLY"
This is an important question and worth knowing when one of either come swooping down from high and starts eating people.
>Its a fricking Dragon!!
>No its not its an.. ACK
Dragons breathe fire (or sometimes other 'elemental' attributes)
Wyverns are venomous, have no 'Dragonbreath'.
It's the movie reign of fire that changed dragon design in the west
Well, what defines a dragon as an actual "dragon," lads?
wow, noice. saved
dragons look fricking lame dawg
So, it would appear the Dragonheart movies got it right.
Aside from the leg thing you mean?
>high intellect (much higher than humans due to nigh endless lifespan)
>capacity for human speech
>ability to shapeshift into a human
>can use powerful magic in human form with ease leading some to live double lives as a great sorcerer
>breath can be attuned to different elements not just fire
>hoard gold and other valuables
Those are all the ones I can name off the top of my head.
None of those outside of the last are widespread
shapeshifting dragons is very medieval, not really seen in fantasy these days. good thing to remember is the dragon is also a metaphor for the devil i.e ultimate evil not just some monster, its also why the dragon is seen as the ultimate/highest monster
one looks like a bat, the other like a dog.
meh, I love both of them because I. a dragongay
Somebody didn't watch Pete's dragon.
"Real" dragons makes no fricking sense, evolution wise.
>fictionally accurate dragons
>scientifically accurate dinosaurs
>biblically accurate angels
>historically accurate neanderthals
accurate angels
ftfy. None of those morons seems to have ever read the bible
>biblically accurate tanks
You got the money grabber saved as well?
Nope. Only the lightsaber armor, the bone goblin one, and the frog raider.
>mogs your dragon
nothen personnel, kid
>still no news besides the announcement
please capcom I'm dying
any day now
Like all Capcom games, DD is written like crap, yet somehow, everything involving Grigori is beyond excellent.
His gravitas, vocabulary and presentation are all phenomenal.
He's really mogs all dragons, and basically all villains that are supposed to be great beasts
based
Was kinda of a disappointment
Granted I only fought him for curiosity, but he's just so thoroughly mogged by Daemon and Bitterback as end game content
All these kinds of arguments just remind me of that guy on here a few years ago who would pop up in It threads and insist that It was a drider and not just a regular giant spider.
all wyverns are dragons
not all dragons are wyverns
>noooooo these dragons aren't realistic
Wyverns make more sense from a humanoid perspective and easier to animate.
I see it as a question about if they're just wild animals or if they're fully fledged higher-class magical beings
To me Wyverns can be both, but work best as animals like in ASOIAF because it feels more realistic to how a dragon would function in a more down to earth setting, while actual Dragons work best as these impossible magical beings with ancient knowledge
idk, might be saying something moronic tho
urrite
wyverns are like birds in their anatomy, which is more realistic
there's no animal on earth like a dragon
Based autist has strong feelings on how many legs a dragon has
Dinosaurs with feathers really pisses you off doesn't it
dragongays are the most annoying morons on internet
"Real" dragon makes no sense anatomy wise, there's no way he could realistically flap those wings and fly
you have no imagination and are moronic
They'd need different back anatomy to function, dummy, so they wouldn't be pictured like you want them to -- flying horses.
so you admit that they could work?
I accept your concession
Anything can work if you give them a supporting structure, but then they aren't pictured like so:
that wasn't the argument though now was it? why are you so desperately trying to change the argument to protect your fragile ego? you lost, you got btfo in fact, accept it and move on with your life, maybe grow as a person
acting childish and throwing a temper tantrum is embarrassing
not without magic, your first problem is that wings on vertebrates are just limbs, and no large vertebrate has six limbs, secondly the wings are too small, as weight increases the necessary square footage of the wings increase exponentially, Quetzalcoatlus is probably the largest animal to ever fly and estimates for it's weight max out around 550lbs. And finally there's no set of muscles on a Dragon's frame that could work the wings, on a bat/bird/pterosaur build the chest muscles that would normally control the arms power them, but a Dragon somehow has to have musculature for both
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>Quetzalcoatlus is probably the largest animal to ever fly and estimates for it's weight max out around 550lbs.
If he's the largest animal to fly, why is he so bummed bros?
Some old cartoon explained that dragons are able to fly and breathe fire because they're filled with gas that's lighter than air. Or you can just accept that magic shit is magic and don't think about it so hard.
The flight of dragons
I like to imagine that 100 million years in the future these lizards became capable of self powered flight and they invented some time travel technology and when they traveled back in time they became the dragons of legend.
Realistically, a dragon as most people want it would not function no matter how many limbs it has.
Realistically a dragon would just be a large bird that breaths fire. It wouldn't weigh multiple tons like dragons in media usually do.
Exactly. Which, of course makes the pursuit of true realism with a fantastical creature like a dragon a false ideal to strive for. Make it as cool as possible and disregard everything else.
why not? dragons are completely fine with the correct internal structure
give them ballast tanks of hydrogen for lift, then the wings serve mainly for steering, then some metal catalyst in their mouth for turning oxygen+hydrogen into napalm for breathing fire
it's pretty simple really, you guys are just creatively bankrupt drooling morons with no inner monologue
It takes 1000 cubic feet of Hydrogen to lift 68lbs. Nice try but unless these sacs are the size of blimps they aren't doing fricking anything
at sea level, what if they live in the mountains?
you keep getting btfo and proving you have literally no imagination, just give up lol
A mile above sea level 1000 cubic feet of hydrogen can lift about double that, 136 pounds. So a mile above sea level you can have flying dragons approximately the weight of a human child. Congrats?
>136 pounds
>weight of a human child
amerimutt moment
That's a big fricking child
I was more referring to like teenager, i remember being around 140 when i entered high school, that's why i went with that.
>this standard for a fictional creature is more authoritative than THIS standard
>super mario 1564
English White vs Welsh Red dragons, 15th century
almost like there's no real standard and artists have been drawing dragons however they want for centuries
this was fixed in 1977 with the publication of the cannon
2 legged dragons after this come from normies sloppy strip mining of something they don't understand or care about
English White dragon on shield from the Bayeux Tapestry, 11th century
yeah it jumps back and forth between 2 and 4 legs, iirc its form the saxons as they moved into Britain it merged from a worm with wings into 2 legs and later 4 legs, with 4 being the most common later on due to the Welsh flag being standardized starting around the end of the war of the Roeses
>on due to the Welsh flag being standardized starting around the end of the war of the Roeses
banner from the Battle of Bosworth Field 1495
Shut up nerd. It's the same fricking thing.
Reminder that the meme of pedantry over dragons vs. wyverns doesn't come from people who actually read a lot of fantasy lit. If you did you'd be in the habit of resetting your understanding of what these made up creatures are with every world. Sometimes even the same author will be inconsistent. Fantasy isn't about rigid rules or categorizations.
This comes 100% from people whose main exposure to fantasy is autistically min-maxxing in videogames. Calling the dragon a wyvern or vice versa triggers them because they think it's very very important for the genre that when a sword deals +20% damage to "wyverns" it doesn't deal extra damage to "dragons" because that'd be overpowered and would lead to a stale meta.
The whole point of the naming was to distinguish the visual design, nothing more nothing less.
Hollywood is filled with hacks
>they ask for Asian dragon
>they get Asian dragon
>"why no GoT?"
some people, man
>Why are all dragons in modern media actually wyverns?
In what setting? Cause if I'm calling the giant gila monster that was Galurung a dragon I can call any fricking lizard that breaths fire a dragon if I damn well please. They aren't wyverns, they're dragons. If some Black person homosexual obscure setting no one gives a frick about makes the distinction then they are irrelevant.
Morgoth
>has roughly 1000 years in total to breed monsters
>manages to make dragons and later absurdly large winged dragons that nearly overcome the gods themselves
Sauron
>has 6000 years to breed monsters
>finally manages to make trolls that don't turn to stone in sunlight
Sharon is good at other things
>1000
He actually had roughly 50k years, anon.
From the moment he landed in Arda to his demise approximately 50k years had passed.
The years of the trees and before that aren't counted in human years, but in Valinor years, which are longer.
wyverns actually look like a real animal. 6 limbed "dragons" look like floating lizards with wings in the background while in flight
>craps all over your gay nomenclature
Nothing personal kid
>blocks your path
>Its reptillian
>Has a tail
>Lizard/dinosaur face filled with sharp teeth
>Has wings
Its a fricking dragon, gtfo with your gay wyvern shit
Vertebrates, apart from fish, generally have four limbs, so it would stand to reason that a dragon would also have four limbs. But then why aren't we talking about why every dragon, even the so called "realistic" wyvern based ones have wings that are too small to lift their body? Remember that little thing called the square-cube law? Lift comes from wing area, and must overcome weight. Double a flying animal's size and its wings get four times as big, but its weight increases to eight times as heavy. So the wings must get disproportionally larger to lift it. This is why that reasoning is moronic, they only even halfass their excuse. The fact is a creature like a dragon, whether it has 4 limbs or six could not exist, and that isn't even bringing up the ability to breathe fire or tank damage while having the build needed to fly. A realistic dragon would be small, dumb, and frail.
hydrogen ballast tanks in their lungs for extra lift
gg ez no re
they are magic. that's why 6 limbs are important. to show they aren't natural. 4 limbed dragons are cringe.
This really depends on the setting. There are setting in which Dragons aren't natural, and settings in which they are more natural than you
This, return to greatness.
beautiful pic
Its gonna look like a man in a suit
>wyverns
>no giant poison spike on their tail
So you dont know what a dragon OR a wyvern is?
The only acceptable answer to "why four-limbed dragons" is aesthetic preference. As soon as you try to drag real world biology into it, you've gone full moron.
>As soon as you try to drag real world biology into it, you've gone full moron.
wait til you find out about Dinosaurs
>real dragons have four legs
According to who? I'm pretty sure stories of dragons predate these autistic rpg definitions.
It's not even from RPGs. Even in DnD True Dragons are more characterized by being sapient being of great intelligence and having innate magic more than by the number of arts.
Because Dragonheart was funded by a bunch of crazy Italians and they wanted a true medieval dragon.
They're mostly wyverns because Dragonslayer (1981) had one and because the design was so good that's usually what people would go to for inspiration (including Dragonheart even though it is not a wyvern).
Skyrim and GoT ruined the way people see dragons.
Dragons look dumb, like a dog with wings, that's why.
What the frick is wrong with that, have you ever seen what a comodo dragon looks like?
goofy and floppy
Would you guys frick a dragon?
the lizardmen who rule our society fear the mighty dragon and thus subvert our memory of it by filling televison and film with degenerated wyverns. when our subconscious minds call out in the dreamscape to be saved by our glorious dragon ancestors, the dragon spirit can not hear us because we dream of the hated wyvern.
t. /x/
Not quite on topic but very cute: https://www.dragonandme.com
Well unicorns are believed to actually be one horned rhinos in the myths.
source: The secret teachings of all ages by Manly P. Hall.
Tolkien said Smaug was a dragon, and TOlkien's sketch has four legs and two wings. What does the terrible Hobbit movies do? They turned Smaug into a wyvern whilst wrongly claiming Smaug is a dragon. The GoT 'dragon's are all wyverns.
It is so pathetic. The only modern media that gets this right is World of Warcraft. The dragon mounts are actual, four legged, two winged dragons, whilst the wyverns have two legs and two wing-legs