Why are older movies so much more grand, majestic, and elegant? The 50's-early 60s is a whole other league from anything that came after.
Why are older movies so much more grand, majestic, and elegant? The 50's-early 60s is a whole other league from anything that came after.
Well, there's the old Hollywood, and there's the international co-productions of the 60s and 70s. Epics since have been rare and were replaced by commercial cinema and superhero movies you see today.
Because back then with set design, you had to go balls out to make a scene look grand but now computers do everything .
You will rarely films made like this now.
I bet like 20 Russians died just making that overhead spiral calvary shot at the end. That is commitment
The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of a million is an Oscar nomination.
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Underrated ridley scott kino.
The awe of the people making it surely. Everyone is desensitized especially the staff. I pity them
this is my favorite version
in answer to your question, the WORLD was like that. Or at least, it had been like that in living memory.
Suppose for a moment that anticolonial people are correct and the world is a zero sum game of resources, where some take and some are deprived. Even using that cynical model, it's easy to see that European civilization reached a pinnacle of glory and refinement, while the rest of the world was primitive by comparison. Naturally, "recombining" the two worlds will drag down the wealthy one while elevating the lesser, as we see today. That's assuming you believe in the exploitation theory of history. If not, then the changes we've made may well have terrible consequences in the long run.
If zero sum was true, we’d still be hunter gathers. Of course we all gain, as seen through the thousands of years of progress we made.
Exactly. Although people are fairly similar, culture is unique, irreplaceable. We are more than capable of falling from grace without an actual zeitgeist worth the neurons it's printed on.
>50s-60s
dressing and speaking well was still considered desirable then.
now people dress like Spiderman Homecoming.
Could you elaborate on that "people dress like Spiderman homecoming" statement, or post some examples of what you mean, I agree that fashion trends are shit these days but I cannot understand what dressing like Spiderman homecoming means
I think hat he means is that people dress like they are going to a cosplay convention as opposed to dressing your best.
I wear this exact model of watch and also I am the lord in which all women worship me as God.
Communists hadn’t taken over Hollywood yet. The studios policed themselves through the Hayes Code to make movies with nationalist and traditional values.
I would unironically love a purge of hollywood, and I hate censorship and big government
You didn't understand the OP.
I think he understood it perfectly well, subversion is the death of art.
I just watched this the other week while in the middle of my Brando deep dive. This, The Wild One, and Sayonara are among my favorites so far. On the Waterfront is disgustingly overrated though. I had expected much more than what i got.
I'm about to watch the 1935 version with Clark Gable. I'll be back to say if it's good.
It's the shift away from "fantasy" and towards "realistic". Used to be you saw a movie because you wanted to be swept up in a grand story and adventure. Everything is exaggerated and unrealistic, "grand", "elegant" etc, it's how people imagine life can be in these scenarios rather than how it actually is.
Nowadays audiences have turned against that style of cinema, they want realistic dialogue, recognizable settings, and for even their greatest of heroes to have relatable flaws and weaknesses. Compare Craig's Bond to Connery's, earlier in the series would you have gotten a whole scene talking about how old and weak the hero is, or how bitter and traumatized by his past he's become? No, he's just a charismatic hero who can do no wrong, even when he makes mistakes he fixes them right away, and is always the "good guy".
Watch civilization from 1970, a BBC documentary-series by Kenneth Clarke. The conclusion is: culture. Western Society has encouraged lazyness and masswide hedonism, let it loose. Knowledge, honesty, bravery, discipline, solidarity have are more or less frown upon in favour for individual excellence, the carpe diem/yolo-ideology. The loneliness among the people today is the evidence of the failure of that line of thought.
>Western Society has encouraged lazyness and masswide hedonism
Couldn't be more incorrect, western society is capitalist and encourages working and grinding and earning until increasingly older ages, with free time and pleasure permitted conditionally and reluctantly. Counter-culture is often in favor of freedom and pleasure, but counter-culture is by definition the opposite of mainstream society.
Counter-culture is by definition part of mainstream society, being controlled opposition i.e. the safe sanitized way to "rebel".
Before it was a psyop it was just degenerate weirdos that couldn't live in society. Now counterculture doesn't even exist but the values of the hippies are predominant.
you have internet in supermax, Ted?
>fricking teenaged pacific islanders is...LE BAD
>"Mutany On The Bounty"
Was this a book? It's always been in my headspace because as a kid I remember singing,
>"Mutiny on the bounty and a bottle of rum ho, ho, ho!"
Could that be from Garfield Halloween Special? Maybe Cabin Boy?
From the poster, it looks like Brando led an uprising on a ship cause he and his deviant friends wanted to stay on an island forever and frick all the locals. So they rebelled against their Captain.
Am I close?
>From the poster, it looks like Brando led an uprising on a ship cause he and his deviant friends wanted to stay on an island forever and frick all the locals. So they rebelled against their Captain.
>Am I close?
Spot on. The mutiny on the Bounty is an actual historical occurance, so it is not strange that you should have been aware of it as a boy. Captain Bligh is portrayed as a sadistic, cruel and incompetent captain in the film, which is not the case historically. In fact, he wasnt even a captain! He was only a lieutenant at the time. He later ended up as governor of Australia, by the way.
For extra laughs, the mutineers made their way to the uninhabitated Pitcairn Island, and ALL of the current day inhabitants of that island are descendants of the mutineers and their polynesian prostitutes/brides. Also, there are rumors that the inhabitants of Pitcairn practice systematic pedophilia.
Interesting thanks. I'm about to watch here in a few.
I also remembered that it's a Beastie Boys song (Ryhmin & Stealin). They actually rap about the historical event. Also, in their Sabotage video, I learned not to trust cops named "Vic". Prepared me for "The Shield" tv series.
>He later ended up as governor of Australia, by the way.
You left out the funniest part: he was deposed by the colonial marine corps in Australia's first and only military coup. If you read into it a little though it seems he was actually a pretty fair governor and was deposed simply for pissing off some kinda shady rich guys in the early days of the colony. He was later exonerated by the courts. Dude seems to have gotten an unfairly bad rap by history.
I forgot about that part, thanks anon. Yea he was also cleared of all charges by the court martial when he returned to the UK after losing the Bounty.
My guess is that he had somewhat of an abrasive personality and had a tough time making friends, while at the same time being ambitious. That's why people seem to be so quick to put blame on his shoulders
He also served under Nelson at Copenhagen and was spoken highly of by him.
Screw the Bounty novies, Bligh needs a full biopic.
He really does, he's been treated very poorly by the entertainment industry. He navigated 6500 km in an open launch boat to safety after the mutiny. That's some pretty damn good seamanship right there. And keeping the spirit up with the men, amazing leadership.
>there are rumors
homie they had enough court cases that involved all the men on the island that the government had to step in and ban kids from the island. They're a bit beyond rumours.
Fair enough, I hadn't read into it for a bunch of years. Good to hear they have banned kids from visiting, but not so good for the children still living there...
Last thing I read made it seem like there wasn't actually any kids left. There's like 40 people living there and they're all middle-aged at this point and bemoaning the fact that younger people "abandoned their history/culture" and moved to the mainland where there's actual jobs and things to do beyond fricking each other's kids. I think they all have their internet monitored as well, so they can't get their fix online.
Lol so effectively it's a prison colony
KEK
imagine this being your legacy. Fletcher Christian, you suck monkey dick in hell.
wtf why isn't DEY CULCHAH celebrated
they had some respect for the customer and didn't realize the power of shilling
Never saw the Marlon Brando version but just wanted to say the 80's version is gigakino
It's more historically accurate as well in how it treats Bligh.
reminder this got brutally mogged by the vastly superior Lawrence of Arabia
all those guys had to put up with Marlon Brando's bullshit and it was all for nothing
Friendly reminder that the descendants of the mutineers are all pedos and children aren't even allowed to visit the island any more, without special written permission from the British government. That's what you get when you mutiny against your captain... A pedo island.
In the 1935 version Bligh is portrayed as sadistic, but brilliant captain. But yeah, the mutineers are the good guys.
The biggest problem today is overuse of CGI. Everyone got really lazy, so everything is done on a green screen with CGI. I'm afraid that the magic of old Hollywood is gone forever.
Master and Commander was truly the last Hurrah for proper naval Kino.
Because of how society were back then
>In 2004, charges were laid against seven men living on Pitcairn and six living abroad. This accounted for nearly a third of the male population, and half of the island's adult males. After extensive trials, most of the men were convicted, some with multiple counts of sexual encounters with children.[32] On 25 October 2004, six men were convicted, including Steve Christian, the island's mayor at the time.[33][34][35]
>In 2016, Mike Warren, Pitcairn mayor from 2008 to 2013, was convicted and sentenced to 20 months imprisonment for possession of child pornography.[40][41]
lol
straight up bizarre that that place exists
earth is seriously kino sometimes
They use their mayor like a sacrifice to the pedo gods, taking the blame for their shared computer every time they end up downloading CP from a honeypot. He gets to boss people around and get paid for doing nothing but he always knows that next time it's his turn to go to jail.
>their shared computer
>shared
They have ONE computer there with internet access? And they have to share it?
LOL
LMAO even
my fricking sides
I guarantee you they all watch child porn together. This is their mayor btw
I envision it like in Gilmore Girls where they have a "cinema" that's just run out in a regular home and people bring popcorn and snacks from home and sit around on regular couches and chairs. Except they're all naked.
They're fricking weirdos, I lived with some of them off the Island. They're old, gossiping, nosy, selfish, entitled people. I couldn't imagine the hell of being stuck on an island with them all.
Are they white or more like polynesian?
They're more like Maoris. Imagine Maoris crossed with perverts.
ew
Whoa, I didn't expect him to be so white.
Yeah, I thought they all looked like Polynesian-white mutts, but this guy looks pretty white.
They’re descended from an Irish sailor who was literally cannibalized after raping a kid fyi
>descended from an Irish sailor
Well, him and his polynesian prostitute/bride/slave, yes. And presumably, not very many white women would want to move there, so I'm guessing they kept kidnapping polynesians whenever they needed women.
The Polynesians literally cannibalized the dude because he was a child molester.
It seems that particular trait had already been firmly established in the bloodline by the time they ate him, since like 100% of the men living on the island today are kiddie diddlers and pedophiles.
>And when I haver, hey I know I'm gonna be
>I'm gonna be the man who's havering to you
It would be a badass tv show idea if all the Pitcairn inhabitants were dropped nude on North Sentinel Island and they hosted a battle to the death.
>There is one government-sponsored satellite Internet connection, with networking provided to the inhabitants of the island. Pitcairn's country code top-level domain is .pn. Residents pay NZ$50 (about £26) for 25 GB of data per month.[114] In 2012, a single 1 Mbit/s link installed provided the islanders with an Internet connection, the 1 Mbit/s was shared across all families on the island. By December 2017, the British Government implemented a 4G LTE mobile network in Adamstown with shared speeds of 5 Mbit/s across all islanders.[115]
No CGI, everything had to be real.
Equality, and democracy for that matter, tends to pull the quality of things down.
For that reason we can already see how most media has peaked. 19th century for literature. Movies and music in the 1960s. Video games in the 2000’s. We’re headed towards the nadir of Western civilization.
fricking 1914 movies had better set design than cringy capeshit nonsense