Why can't a good female-led superhero movie or a show be made? It seems like everything that's made is varying degrees of bad but not even close to being good.
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Why can't a good female-led superhero movie or a show be made?
It can, but it needs to not be feminist. feminist anything is unpalatable to men. And the potential audience for superheroes is ~90% male.
>Feminist anything is unpalatable to manchildren
FTFY
>Looks at Madame Web, The Marvels and She-Hulk
no he's right. More importantly women won't watch it regardless so appealing to them is pointless.
>Looks at Pride and Prejudice, Jane Eyre, and The Scarlet Letter
Indeed. No man could ever appreciate a feminist story. That's why nobody's heard of these books! Grow up.
I mean i've heard of the first and second but have no idea what they are about no idea on the second.
Feminist stories are dull and boring. Nobody wants to hear for the umpteenth time how men oppress women and all that crap. If you want a great female lead, create a normal person who respects women and men equally and who is also strong but without being a mary sue.
>Feminist stories are dull and boring
Says you.
>Nobody wants to hear for the umpteenth time how men oppress women and all that crap
I doubt you've read a single feminist anything in your life. I bet you're one of those nitwits who whines about how feminism ruined society or something.
>Blah blah blah any female character I don't like is a Mary Sue
If you're gonna whine about pointless shit can't you at least be original with your complaints? I bet you can't even define what Mary Sue means.
I love how you put words into his mouth that he didn't even say.
>Literally quote a post
>Y-you put words in his mouth!
Pathetic
You can't make a female super hero because it requires that you lie to yourself and pretend and make believe that women are smart and strong. They aren't. And don't bother saying examples like Kimpossible or Ladybug. Sometimes shit becomes glitches in the system. But the reality is simply that most people understand that women aren't fighters, soldiers, heroes, warriors, etc. They don't have any of the strengths or values that men have to make such stories work.
>And don't bother saying examples like Kimpossible or Ladybug.
Why not? She is French.
The root ause is really bad writers who have no idea about back and front on women or girls.
Strong women serve the penis.
Alright.
Any non-moronic answers now?
Most super hero things that feature men are mediocre as hell, but because there’s so many, there’s more chances to get something great, and sometimes lightning strikes.
There’s far fewer female led stuff so fewer chances of something turning out good.
Then there is indeed the question of the impulse behind making the thing. Female led stuff tends to be put in production to surf on representation concerns, and designed by comity to make something as inoffensive as possible.
If they actually put a good creator with a voice and a story to tell on a female character, like they felt more comfortable doing with some male characters (in a sea of mediocre shit) we’d get more interesting offerings.
>something as inoffensive as possible
IMO it's often the other way around.
As in, there's certain spite about it all. I've said this before, but a villain for instance is not allowed to be threatening or not humiliated and made to look like a joke in some way. As if they are supposed to represent someone the writer has a grudge against.
Most of the time good villains in male-led works are treated with deserved respect and it's shown that they earn that respect, maybe not from the characters themselves but from the narrative.
Villains like dangerous and deadly opponents or respectable rivals.
That’s part of the inoffensiveness in the sense that they’re making this for an audience who already agrees, and wants to feel validated and pandered to.
An actual challenging thing would be to show the protagonist as having genuine flaws to overcome and a villain with more nuance. But they don’t aim for that.
Those movies don’t exist to change anybody’s mind, they exist to get the people who already agree with the message to pay money.
Which is imo condescending, but eh. Clearly it’s stopped working cause way less people showed up to watch the latest installments of such productions, even the target demo.
Like I have similar gripes with Barbie and how it panders to women by bombarding them with words they want to hear and making fun of men, while offering no actual solutions to patriarchy except buying a doll and keeping things as they are, but at least Barbie was entertaining
The first Womder Woman movie was not bad.
People want a superhero movie that has a female led character. Studio execs want a female led movie that has superpowers. The difference is small but noticeable. You see, the viewers with half a brain wouldn't care that the main protagonist is a chick. Studio execs however need the chick to do everything a man can do, and are so scared of negative press they want the woman to be flawless, creating a bland poster woman with no character.
Adding on:
Studios can not fricking think for themselves. Women like everything, has to go through a check list for their heroing. This means doing what focus groups or loudest scream (social media) says. And ends with having anything that made the female hero stripped in place of safe product from some other IP.
This shit becomes ironic because while "the evil male gaze" did make female leads stupid in some aspects. It also shows that these now enlightened progressives are afraid of letting women use their femininity as a super hero strength or be one of the guys who can fail. Which just results in the need to constantly circle jerk the character.
Man I miss xena, that show was greatx
Battle Angel Alita…er excuse me Alita: Battle Angel was great but no one saw it because “oh man we’ve gotta see Captain Marvel”
The juice only know to make it about how men are evil oppressive monsters and shit
Wonder Woman was ok, but let’s be honest, most superhero media sucks ass objectively when having a serious story. That’s why silly/fun comedy shows like DCSHG G2 work and are the few times female SH are good
I think Raimi's Spider-Man movies are a happy medium between "serious story" and camp, but everything nowadays has to be obnoxiously self-aware destroying the camp in vain attempts to be seen as "valid" and "serious" or leaning too hard into comedy territory making it obnoxious.
This. sometimes going more dark can work (TDN with Batman as many people say) but the problem isn’t even just fine, it’s that the stories themselves are boring or nonsensical, and you just don’t give a shit about what happens since a lot of the stories feel the same. There’s a reason Ramos directing in the OG spidey movies are remembered while most people can’t even name one from the MCU. Speaking of spider-man, with the OP pic
I think mayday could in a show where she’s dealing with street level thugs and corruption (like with crazy 8) while working with her dad, though he’s just a cop like in the comics. Lean more into the horror elements of spider-man/girl so it’s less campy if you want a more serious story. Rami even had a lot of horror stuff in his movies
IMO, "Nolan's Batman movies are dark" is a meme. I think the pseudo-realism of it all makes people think those movies are darker than they actually are but otherwise they feel very campy.
>campy
The first and especially third ones are, I agree, but TDN felt more like a crime thriller than a capeshit movie
Nah, Black person. You don't watch many crime thrillers if you actually believe that.
it's extremely campy.
How anyone could ever watch the ferries scene with a straight face is beyond me.
> it's extremely campy
>ferries scene
It wasn’t that unrealistic and showed a logical progression with the people on the two ferries deciding to blow the other one up, and proves jokers philosophy wrong. Sure the bat stuff is obviously silly to some extent but there’s nothing that campy about the jokers plans and what happens in the movie
LMAO
I forget you TDKgays are delusional morons.
>can’t refute my point
I’m not even a big DNK fan, you’re just wrong
TDK*
There's nothing to refute, moron. You're an infantile subhuman. The whole movie is dumb capeshit through and through and you arguing otherwise shows how much of a childish moron with zero experience you are.
have a nice day already you annoying frick. No one cares about you.
Ms Marvel was really good until they did like the comic and plucked her "from the streets" and into some universal horseshit that didn't move anyone and undermined the entire core appeal. I'd argue any YouTube asspie that had it been done right, Kamala could have been an MCU money printer.
>ms marvel was good
what's your source?
your moms box, homosexual
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Damn a lot of these are really bad,only one that was decent was the WW2009 movie
How the frick was the 2017 WW or the Jolie Tomb Raiders bad???
> 2017 WW
Alright fine that was good
>TR
Eh, it’s kinda whatever
>Jessica jones, avengers confidential
Never watched them
The Witchblade anime is extremely underrated yes its hyper over the top fantservice but Masane is a genuinely great lovely mother character at the same time.
Need to watch the live action Witchblade series. Heard its also good.
Sorry I forgot the StarGirl show. Click the Other option for it.
How was Jessica Jones S1 bad?
How was Avengers Confidential bad?
Not him, but Jessica Jones is absolute trash with no redeeming qualities whatsoever and I regret every second wasted on watching this garbage.
The only reasons people think Jessica Jones is even remotely good are
1. it came out before it was trendy to hate the MCU.
2. MUH TENNANT (why people like this obnoxious frick I will never understand)
I can't think of a single thing about that show that isn't completely horrible. Maybe Sean Callery's score, the man is wasted on that tripe.
The urge to fill it with woke shit and girl boss moments ruin all of them. You'll never see a female hero getting brutalized. Thus the stakes will always be low.
You'll never see She-Hulk getting her shit wrocked this hard. Weak men and woke Women feel its to close to reality so it's always toned down.
>You'll never see a female hero getting brutalized
I haven't see L&T but didn't Jane Thor get messed up a bit? I saw shots of her face bleeding & face plate broken.
Women can't write, produce or direct but have been allowed to "muh sexism and muh feminism" their way into those jobs. So you have a bunch of fat walled man hating incompetent unqualified roasties who are insanely jealous of women that are actually young and attractive, so they won't cast them in their movies which it turns out are fricking dogshit anyway.
The issue is, generally speaking, female superheros are just men in skirts. I don't mean like your uncle. You know the one, that your mother said to stop lying about. I mean the trope of a 4'11" 105lb supermodel fist fighting multiple seven foot tall specops ninja dudes and beating the living shit out of them without effort, often with a witty quip.
Superheros can be kind of an exception to this, having magic powers as they do, but it's still obvious the first draft of this scene was a man doing manly things but they decided to throw a pornstar looking b***h in at the last minute to own those evil republicans.
>Why can't a good female-led superhero movie or a show be made?
Dude, the magical girl genre
I'm a mechagay.
Magical anything is boring to me.
And before you say it, Witch from Mercury is rancid shit.
Escaflowne
When message comes before entertainment, movies suck dick. Christian media famously sucked ass for decades for the same reason.
There should be a mayday movie that’s just 2 hours of various ass shots and acrobatics fetishization
I know it’s bens suit but it really fits mayday super well
because normies don't actually read comics or watch cartoons
because CEOs of media corporations don't actually read comics or watch cartoons
because the only time women have guns in media are the rare scenes of a gunfight with princess Leia, omega starting off with a stupid fricking lazer bow, and the mom in the black adam movie that people ignored even though she spoke directly to black adam and influenced his decisions
maybe because some of the best female heroes are written by MEN
maybe because the most "popular" female heroes are not the most heroic. jean grey just gets the phoenix power, that's not really a hero's journey.
>why can't a good show be made
she-hulk wasn't good because it was selfish b***hing, not a hero's struggle. there will never be a time when tolerating catcalling is the exact same as standing up to a mob boss like kingpin, or any other number of worse antagonists
>she-hulk
It's kind of amazing to rewatch that shitty Hulk cartoon from the 90s and find how much better she was written in that than in her live-action show.
Gamersgate broke a lot of mens' minds and also simultaneously crippled the feminist movement in nerd spaces. It's not forgotten about and the forced presence of woke media in everything nerd will always work against them.
I want to make a super heroine that's a ditzy blonde who uses her sex appeal to stop baddies. An erotic comedy. Shame I can't draw
Empowered is that (kinda)
It's more of a subversion of that kind of story. Which I hate; w*sterners feel this insatiable need to subvert and mock everything that works about animanga.
>oh, you like silly girls with big breasts? Well, what if her whole family got brutally murdered in front of her and then she got a breast reduction to cope with the PTSD. You should feel ashamed for finding her cute, she is a PERSON! Stop objectifying her!
Frick. Off.
>spider-man strike a pose showing off his ass
>no one says anything
>female spider-person does the same thing
>”nooooo!”
Remember, remember what Marvel took away from you.
And all the potential possibilities.
Just remember, Cinemaphile.
A movie where a line like DIS CITY HAD SHOWN IT'S FULL OF PEOPLE READY TO BELIEVE IN GOOD is uttered with a straight face is not corny and campy, it's totally a serious crime thriller, I swear.
A movie about a moron in purple suit committing ridiculous crimes and having plot armor the size of Uranus is totally realistic and not campy
Capeshit manchildren need to be shot to death and thrown in mass graves, I swear.
But homosexuals who pretend TDK is a serious crime thriller tend to be the ones always hating on "capeshit manchildren"
Multiple times I've seen Nolangays claim it's "the only good capeshit" based on whatever arbitrary metric or criteria they have
The superhero ethos is antithetical to modern woman’s psychological complexes masquerading as her “ideals”.
>he’s this butthurt that someone disagrees with him
Embarrassing
>nolangays seething when you point out how juvenile their SEWIOUS movie is
LMAO
Capeshitters in denial, really. Same people who think Invincible is good when it's the exact same capeslop but with extra gore and shock value.
You add zero value and you're better off dead in a ditch.
Funny, that's exactly how I feel about Nolan fanboys. Your dumb capeshit flick will never be anything but capeshit no matter how you cry and shit yourself before you inevitably 41% yourself.
Black person, do you even have a job? Any fricking hobbies at all? Is the only thing you do obsess and seethe over these evil "nolangays" all day? You sound like you were 100% raised by this website too. Everything you type comes off as you trying too hard to sound cool and edgy. You're just a pathetic child lashing out!
>he keeps melting down because someone pointed out The Dark Knight is nothing but campy capeshit
Lmao.
It's okay, when you grow up you will watch actual serious crime movies and look down on the times you were thinking capeshit is in any way like serious crime thrillers with embarrassment.
>moronic rageaholic tries giving a sanctimonious lecture about growing up
>still thinks anyone cares about his screed against TDK and doesn't see through his sad facade
You're not a serious person.
>I-I-I TOTALLY DON'T CARE, I JUST MELT DOWN FOR HOURS ON END
A clown posting a clown, how hilarious.
FRICK!!! WHAT AM I GOING TO DO AGAINST THE BADASS Cinemaphile POSTER!!!???
have a nice day. I mean this sincerely.
Well op, that is because you are gay and you prefer to see muscular men wearing spandex.
Her show was good but the original nsfw comics were much better
I never watched it, but isn't it a troony?
A reverse one: a woman dressed as a man. And the comic shows her nude several times.
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