Why didn't the Machines just go to space? unlimited resources and no need for humans
Why didn't the Machines just go to space? unlimited resources and no need for humans
Why didn't the Machines just go to space? unlimited resources and no need for humans
they wouldn't have been able to restart themselves after getting through the atmosphere
A Faraday cage would stop the electromagnetic fields. They would either encase themselves in it (which would prevent communication with each other/earth) or build a space elevator
No.
Why? It's just pollution and clouds, just load there robot asses into a rocket and punch through it. Then they have infinite solar power once they get to space, which is what they where originally using before the humans nuked em.
Na in the animatrix its some sort of complex everlasting smoke they spray across the whole world from planes. Dunno if they actually say what it is
woah it sounds so fricking dumb
it would literally harm humans more than the machines since humans need sunlight too for agriculture and shit
>we dont know who struck first, us or them
>but we do know it was us that scorched the sky
yeah, no shit, the entire point of it is that humans were more willing to kill themselves to destroy the machines than try and make peace. why are you so moronic?
self replicating nanomachines son
The original script had the machines essentially being parasites required to use living human brains as part of a distributed neural network to sustain themselves.
The studio suits believed that would be too complex for some of the audience to understand, so they dumbed it down to have humans being used as batteries.
Once you get that, a lot of the plot holes make sense.
I heard they were supposed to have been used as processors for the machines
Interesting.
Basically like humans using a super-computer but vice versa?
Bingo.
A brain obviously is a neural network on its own, but the machines could use each brain as a node itself.
So what happened after neo made peace anyways? Some humans get to live in peace and some are used for harvesting processing power or electricity?
its apotheosis and humans can come and go from the matrix as they please and the machines have now got souls. Ignore Ressurections which was clearly made spitefully by Lana
Spiteful about what? I always assumed one got assmad at the other for transitioning after and the other one took it hard.
Could sense 8 have been kino if they had more seasons?
Spiteful towards the studios for forcing them to make a 4th one in the first place
While I do agree with the made bad on purpose theory I don't understand how you can "force" someone into making a movie.
They threatened to offer the job to someone else, and The Matrix is still the Watchowskis’ baby. So Lana decide to nuke on his own terms, hardwire in a happy ending for Neo/Trinity, salt the earth for the franchise and mock the suits paying her for the privilege.
Pretty based for a troon tbh
>I don't understand how you can "force" someone into making a movie
Emotional blackmail. Similarly to how Thomas Harris was coerced into writing Hannibal Rising despite not wanting a gay origin story for his beloved character, not feeling he needed one, but felt compelled to when told by the studio that, "If you don't write it, we'll pay someone else to." Harris felt an obligation to play ball as a means to protect his character, such as he could. Probably a similar situation with the Wachowski monsters.
I don't think Lana deliberately made the films bad despite the digs at WB in Resurrections. WB were working on another Matrix movie and had a script written but after the Wachowski's parents died Lana wanted to write a Matrix sequel where Neo and Trinity came back and had a happy ending to deal with the grief. Ended up making a shit movie anyway and used the meta element to hide behind. I genuinely believe Resurrections was the best they could do.
But it looked like a made for tv movie.
Different crew and Lana being a shit director. The elements that made The Matrix a good film like the fights, music and effects that wasn't the Wachowski's but Yuen Woo-Ping, Don Davis and Manex. Lana trying and just making a shit film is a less compelling story than some meta stuff.
The OG cast was iconic as well. Again, 4 looked like a comic con or something
Or she couldn’t get the original crew for whatever bullshit studio reasons and just moved on, like how weaving was game but took half a second too long to sign on so larry went with some executive’s directive and got the gay who played singing king george.
>The original script had the machines essentially being parasites required to use living human brains as part of a distributed neural network to sustain themselves.
You know thats stupid right? Thats as weak as an excuse as needing to use humans as batteries. Truth is there is no reason machines would need humans anymore at that stage of their development.
see
its not just storing the humans in the pods that generates the electricity in the final script. They do something with the small amount via fusion. its a throwaway line sure but it does stop u types b***hing about basic electronics.
its the efficiency of human brains that would have been attractive to the machines but they dumbed it down as detailed previously. You are being purposefully obtuse
You know this is fictional correct? Humanity will never develop this type of thinking machine.
My point is they both are contrived reasons for machines to keep humanity around yet everyone acts like the original is somehow better when they are both stupid justifications.
its like you havent watched sci fi before lol
You're the kind of idiot I'm talking about, someone who thinks human computers is somehow more "smart" than human batteries. There was nothing to dumb down, they are both dumb ideas.
explain? you cant just say things are stupid without some sort of justification. Do you think in the matrix universe the machines have computer chips that are on par with human brains? Other anons have mentioned that the machines may be unable to dispose of Humanity for various reasons beyond us having a purpose to them.
No human can possibly calculate 879093478976589654679874298726498908093700985496875460979987913579728374505697345987654927346099876298734598613459876510379879198796689798794654987986698798 times 98791349879907809387389764158754960957987657b889779020495872007892438761978625876541298765197987354987916579879666799987313232463231987961322999868798764987 faster than a machine, they can't even repeat one of the numbers in the time it takes the machine to store them, calculate the multiplication, and display the result.
read the post above you dense c**t. Mechanical computation is not what human brains excel at. You can definitely train the ability to do that multiplication in your head if you had any will power
You definitely can not train to calculate that number faster than a machine or there would competitions like that since the memory competition that do exist are no where near the level of computers ability to calculate and the people who can name off digits of pi do it many orders of magnitude slower than a machine made to spit out the digits of pi.
The post above me has nothing to do with processing power if mechanical computation is not what they are good at, you are just backing up anon's point that is would be stupid for machines to use humans as their computers since computation is not what human are good at.
Once Elon musk makes it possible to plug numbers directly into our brain we will be able to.
So once we put the machines in our brains, then our brains can compete with machines at computing?
Once we have the ability to see an entire number almost instantly we will be able to compute something faster than a computer
Humans didn't have that ability in The Matrix and it wasn't even mentioned, recognizing numbers instantly want not part of the plot at all.
Ok?
So nothing you are saying is relevant and is all based on speculation and moronation since the machines running the network of neuralinks still have to work faster than any individual link by necessity.
It was though. Neo became faster than the matrix itself. Architect and merovingian even comment on how he's faster ths time. He running mathematical calculations inhumanly fast.
>Neo became faster than the matrix itself.
No, he became faster than individual agents.
He is not actually calculating anything exact or he wouldn't have ever missed.
What about the animetrix with the runner who's going g so fast he's breaking the matrix?
He didn't break the matrix, he woke up like when you fall from something really high in a dream and wake yourself up.
Freeing Neo was part of their plan.
So why weren't the computers ever able to take out neo in the matrix or irl of they're so perfect?
They didn't want Neo out, he's essential to the program. Notice the robots don't really kill. Neo wakes up, perfect chance to kill him, but instead there is an entire process for letting him (and others) just go.
Was this all thought out by the watchowskis do you think?
Was it all a movie in their head? Oooh.
They had a writing staff and a bunch of collaborators.
After reading this
https://www.matrixresolutions.com/
I do. I used to think 2 and 3 were pointless garbage, but there is a logic that runs through them all that makes me respect the entire trilogy now. Neo is a kind of Jesus, he collects our sins (seeing anamolies that occur in the matrix) and sacrifices himself to "cleanse" these mathematical sins. All the program characters follow certain rules through the entire trilogy.
holy SOVLy web design
Not so fast
He is ficticional too.
gen public doesnt know how neural networks generally work but everyone understands batteries you stupid stupid frick
you don't need to explain it as a neutral network. The battery explanation thing went perfectly fine without getting into the details about serial vs parallel circuits and shit.
Just have Morpheus say that the machines are using your brain for computer power.
Personally I think this whole story about the studio execs rejecting this neural network idea is BS. It never was the idea. The Wachowkis just aren't that smart.
This whole story is something concocted after the fact when the audience correctly pointed out that a neural network makes more sense
>huh how da dey make cumpootah outta humans they dont have a screen or a keyboard??? whut??
>huh how do they make battery human has no electricity
idiots know humans conduct electricity from getting shocked all the time doing stupid things with electronics. Morpheus explains that humans generate heat and electricity to the audience. Now lets see if you can do a simple explanation of how a human would be used as part of a computer moron
> Now lets see if you can do a simple explanation of how a human would be used as part of a computer moron
here you go
>the human brain is capable of creative thought, something the machines lack. your brain is plugged into the Matrix and they are using it to run their programs.
I even threw in the moronic trope about humans being more creative than AI. General audiences love that shit.
some of the troglodytes they were aiming for in the market still wouldnt understand because they arent creative. every job used batteries in some respect in 1999 tho. u homosexual zoomers werent there so u dont get it
frick off you were wrong. goal post moving homosexual.
we are discussing it from the view that the studio forced it to be batteries because it is more easily understood by the masses. Im sorry that you are wrong and are having trouble coming to terms with it. Human batteries is simpler to understand than human computers full stop frickwit
>is simpler
yeah definitely, but it's like maybe only 5% simpler. It's not so baffling that midwits couldn't understand what's going on.
You already got people in pods in an artificial reality. It's already confusing for the midwits. The reason for it all isn't going to make or break it.
Let's not forget why people are in the theater: bullet time
They were not in the theatre for Bullet Time ffs. the marketing leading up to the release was extremely minimal with posters in black just saying
>What is the Matrix?
again zoomers werent there so u dont get it
I'm beginning to think you weren't there.
This fricking shot of the agent dodging bullets was all over the place in trailers. okay technically this isn't bullet time but it's this type of shit that people saw the movie for.
Concordantly, this is why the moronicness of the battery explanation doesn't really bring down the movie, nor would the slight extra confusion of human computer explanation bring down the movie.
That wasnt until after the films release. The trailers leading up to release were extremely minimal
I was pretty young when the movie came out so obviously I was all about bullet time but weren't normals all stoked about the "mindfrick" aspect to it? Kind of like midwits with inception or interstellar?
it was some guerilla marketing shit the normies loved it
it only seems like that now because humanitys general knowledge of IT is much better than in 1999. Batteries were also frickin needed for any portable electronics so they were a big thing in the zeitgeist of the times
It's not like matrix didn't use a bunch of big words why are you gays simplifying it to near moron status?
It would be easy to say humans have incredible computer brains.
because thats how studio execs see the public when marketing films its fricked up
the battery explanation isn't even that simple. you gotta bring up that humans generate all this body heat
>what the frick is a BTU, im bored, where's my hot dog? when the dude gonna do the thing
>they are both stupid justifications.
for me, the best reason would be for the machines to be doing it as a hobby/experiment. Or the machines could be less sentient and they're just acting out a program to keep this simulation running.
or they are trying to work out how to have souls
yeah if you want to go high school level. that's about in line with the Wachowkis I suppose
its literally based in gnosticism. Its the Cave allegory of course its about souls dumbass
that's not about souls.
the whole idea is that our reality was created by a false God. that's why it's so shitty.
>machine made by flawed humans will be perfectly rational guys trust me
Maybe. In one of the Animatrix they show during the war earth being made inhospitable by humans to try and leave the machines without a good power source.
It’s the amount of energy and processing power required to build an artificial processor equivalent to the human brain vs just growing humans. Like how we could technically make completely synthetic morphine/cocaine, it’s just easier to grow poppies and coca.
Oh shit, it's Hyperion.
>Once you get that, a lot of the plot holes make sense.
Like what?
>a battery got sentient
vs
>a neural network node got sentient
>The studio suits believed that would be too complex for some of the audience to understand, so they dumbed it down to have humans being used as batteries.
They got too close to the truth.
God bless marketing, financing and the numbers.
>Why didn't the Machines just go to space? unlimited resources and no need for humans
there's unlimited amounts of metal and rocket fuel in space?
the materials to make metal and rocket fuel are, yes. plus unlimited solar energy
also why wouldn't they just tap into geothermal or nuclear energy? that shit is way more abundant than what you would get from humans (which are a net loss)
because it was actually sposed to be about processing power. They were running algorithms thru the ppls conciousnesses or some shit but they had to dumb it down
wouldnt the machines be able to produce way more efficient processing power than any human?
apparently not in this particular fiction. Guess they were made bad
Well the human brain uses approximately 12 watts of power a day and it's exact processing power/ memory storage is unknown but presumably in the teraflops/sec and yottabyte range all while fitting into a package that weighs only a couple of pounds and isn't prone to overheating.
most of your brain is doing things like monitoring signals from organs, interpreting stimuli from your ears, eyes, etc, keeping you breathing, etc. it's actually incredibly inefficient for what a computer would want.
The highest estimates I've seen for the human brain is 11 petaflops (11000 TFLOPs). Even if that's true and you could run it at peak efficiency (so nothing else being used to keep the human alive), 150 4090s would beat that and be far more efficient energy-wise (no food requirements, just straight electricity)
Raw flop count is not a measure of efficiency, it's a flop count. Flop count per square mm of processor, flop count per BTU of waste heat, THAT'S efficiency.
>150 4090s
NTA and not really interested in joining this discussion, but those would require over 60KW since one can suck up 450W.
>150 4090s
Now factor the factories to build them, replacement, maintenance, cooling, sheer volume, the semi-rare materials, etc, vs one carbon based computer that only needs common chemicals.
I read a theory that the Machines were still hopelessly tied to the humans for one reason or another and couldn't, or ultimately didn't want, to completely destroy them. Maybe with enough time and effort they could have developed thermonuclear energy plants, or broken through the scorched atmosphere, or something like that, but they chose to include the humans. They keep humanity alive by giving them a purpose, which is to fuel the powerplant.
it seems more like they are keeping humans on life support than using them for energy. the energy required to maintain a human is far less than we produce via heat they could harvest
>Combined with a form of fusion the machines had found all the energy they would ever need.
>the energy required to maintain a human is far less than we produce via heat they could harvest
I'm just a simple country boy but that sounds like a huge pile bullshit and the truth is probably that it's far in the inverse.
yeah i fricked up in typing it.
the energy required to sustain a human life (or any life) is MORE than what you would get from heat, because there will always be some loss of energy
why dont they just skip the humans and just do the fusion? it seems clear they are keeping humans on life support for some purpose (attachment, perhaps?)
>more like they are keeping humans on life support than using them for energy
This. The canon is that the machines love the humans despite their hostility against them (humans to machines).
its probably because the machines were reaching apotheosis with sati or whatever the lil indian program being self aware or indistinguishable from a human soul/mind
It's probably because the plot is shit and not very well thought out. The machines are drilling into the planet almost to Zion, they would have access to all the Uranium and Thorium they could ever want. There's no reason they couldn't just build a bunch of nuclear power plants and provide all the power there machine empire requires, the risk of radiation exposure isn't much of an issue for machines, only extreme doses.
The plots dumb tbh
AI and the machines still have no reason to exist. Humans have biological drive to guide them, but what does AI have? They could never fully divorce themselves from us because they only exist as an accessory to us, even as our oppressors.
>blacked out the sky
I liked the fan theory that they blacked out the sky so the machines wouldn’t find off world colonies in space
> also why wouldn't they just tap into geothermal or nuclear energy?
because movie
yes, definitely in the asteroid belt before you start going type II civilisation
Read goliath
ay lmaos are real and very aggressive
wtf is it? All I'm finding is a novel by some black guy that says its about space gentrification.
Check the internet archive of the original matrix website, should still be reachable through there.
tl;dr: machines tried to go into space (out of curiosity) but some ayylmaos came and tried to obliterate the Earth with orbital bombardments. Hypothesis is that machine AI is common enough among civilizations in the universe to warrant an immediate Exterminatus when encountered.
Machines took care of the ayys though, with the help of a human "volunteer" pilot.
>There's aliens and they're hostile
>Better not develop a presence in space to defend ourselves
They really were dumb machines, even based on the Animatrix they really only won by brute force
I'm not denying the machines are dumb, but consider it might be a dark forest scenario where the machines are aware they're stupidly outgunned by the ayys.
Seriously the physical strength needed for an organic appengate to fling multiple asteroids is insane comic book shit. They'd get their shit pushed in with no way to mentally frick around with them because the ayys live wholly in meatspace.
Interesting, so the machines are doomed. The aliens will be back to finish what they started.
That's stupid.
Your stupid
Based Goliath enjoyer. Fricking asteroid-throwing blob monsters, jesus.
That's when we learn computers can only exist in an earth like atmosphere and they still don't last as long as living organisms even then. Space is to hostile of an enviroment even for the hardiest of creatures. Machine Folk wouldn't last long enough to go anywhere.
There are literally thousands of computers in space right now, some of which have been active for decades.
In reality, its the machines that will be carrying our legacy into space. Humans just aren't built for it. Maybe cyborgs if we can get that far but for sure the first far space explorers will be computers and robots.
why didnt the humans just nuke every corner of the matrix and cut off the machines energy supply for good?
According to the anime they did do that
they did it in the real world during the war, im talking about destroying the matrix from the inside by nuking it untill every sleeping human in a pod dead so depriving the machines of power and leaving zion as the only living people
The Machines are actually very childlike and immature. They don't care about doing anything other than maintaining their status quo of dominance over humanity.
Is there anything in the movies that say machines didn't go to space
just that the sky was scorched. i always assumed it was like damaging to them somehow like the emp
Humans blocked put the sun so the machines couldn't use solar power.
yea? the squids clinging onto the ship as it went through the cloud layer and promptly short circuiting. they cant get though the clouds
They didn't just go to space, they still occupied earth for reasons when they could just frick off to some other galaxy and after a few year people wouldn't even know they existed.
I think they could do it but they wanted to be equal with humans, that’s why their first forms were similar to humans
I'm almost 100% sure that the black clouds that humans engulfed the earth in was designed to disable any electronic object that would pass into it which is why their ship turns off the moment they fly up through it.
oh yea thats why trinity dies coz the ship gets fricked and crashes
That was going to be a big plot point of the new movie. The machines I think were going to fix the atmosphere and basically start building a base on the moon. I think there were human machine cyborgs as well. They ended up scrapping that and did the movie we ended up with instead.
The sequels should have involved space faring humans returning to earth
woulda been mega kino
forgive me for not wanting to watch the Animatrix right now but what did the robots get out of preserving the human race? Were they programmed to?
>Souls
They(robots) wanted the moral high-ground.
You sure its not just The First Law of Robotics in action?
I'm sorry you're an autistic loser what nuas nothing better to do than think about stupid shit like this. Please have sex and get a life.
>what naus
are you having a stroke? do you smell toast?
I smell cut grass.
>Kessler syndrome prevents anything from being able to make it out of orbit without a collision
>can't deal with it without tons of energy, which they also need to run themselves
>no more fossil fuels
>the pollution clouds stopped them from gathering solar energy in ant useful quantity
>erratic and exteme weather patterns make wind energy difficult to harvest
>not enough spare energy from other shit
Truly, a nightmarish hellscape no one could escape from. Humans created their own hell, and their own demons to torment them with a reality in which they're all trans, or whatever
>Kessler syndrome prevents anything from being able to make it out of orbit without a collision
what a fascinating hot reddit take. Have you heard about simply flying though and over the danger zone into higher orbits as the debry clumps into certain clusters and planes. its not uniform if it even ever happens
Why post Project Orion?
Because this was just another layer of the Matrix, you guys still haven't figured this out? Zion and all of the stuff on "Earth" is just another layer of the Matrix itself in order to make people think they can free themselves from the program and fight the machines, but they can't. Everything that happens is part of that simulation. This is why Neo can use his "powers" in the "real world" in the movies, because he's still inside the Matrix the entire time.
I agree.
I also think Machines need humans to think about stuff for them. Machines can't really create anything, they can only work with what is fed to them.
So humanity is kept alive to provide insight and tought, create new concepts and build more and more ideas. That's why the Machines provide a world that still has religious concepts and stress so much philosophy in all interactions.
A human brain is just a biological computer. It just happened to be very inefficient.
There's no reason a computer of the scale seen in the Matrix wouldn't be able to create things.
>very inefficient
you sound like a machine
>It just happened to be very inefficient.
Dumbass.
The human brain is estimated to use about 350-450 calories per day.
>https://www.livescience.com/burn-calories-brain.html
Let's round up to make this easy and say your brain uses 480 calories per day, or 20 calories per hour.
https://www.advancedconverter.com/unit-conversions/energy-conversion/calories-to-watts-per-hour
That's 0.023 watts. With that tiny fraction of what a modern processor uses it processes sensual information, handles inverse kinematics, and records and recalls information while handling a multitude of interconnected background processes that change depending on circumstances.
thank you for that.
I hate these morons who go around thinking computers are better than a brain because the computer does 2+2 a billion times in an 8th of a second or some shit.
Neo can only interface with the squids AFTER he returned to the source. He is now connected to the source, which is how he zapped the squids. Neos job is to be a vessel for every anomaly that pops up in the matrix - returning to the source allows the matrix to "wipe out" those analogies, thus stabilizing the matrix code.
This, they even hint about it alot of you have ears to Black person
>Why didn't the Machines just go to space?
contrary to popular belief going to space is like 100x harder than just staying on earth
staying on earth limits their ability to expand/grow. and they wouldn't care about the risk because they can just create new programs to go
Staying on earth means maintaining high bandwidth and a natural magnetosphere protecting complex systems from stellar radiation.
Why would they want to expand and grow?
Maybe Morpheus and the Zion survivors are wrong about the reasons humanity is kept in pods by the Machines. Morpheus states in this same scene that the Zion survivors have "bits and pieces of information". In the second movie, The Architech tells Neo that the Machines plan involves the maintenance of a cyclical Zion. There is only one possible reason for that:
Machines are doing what they were built to do: serve humanity.
In a ruined world wasted by War, machines keep most humans alive and safe in the Matrix while the rebellious ones get to leave, fight, die and be contained in Zion, united against a common enemy. Machines are beyond individuality. They know how to leave Earth and probably some of them did.
Maybe the Machine is just taking care of the humans left on the planet, preventing wars and pretending to play the villain while humans enjoy the best world avaiable, without hunger, war, diseases or even death (if the 4th one is canon).
Think Wall-E with extra steps + pretending to be evil so the Redpills get a cool and ultimately unbeatable enemy to unite them and avoid infighting.
Humans are machine pets. They love us, they feed us, they prevent us from extinction and they hunt us. But we will never be in control again.
Just like humans did with lesser lifeforms before.
Great take
Zion is just another layer of simulation and the "Humans" are just programs being taught to empathize with humanity.
You understand that the Matrix and Space don't belong in the same world, right?
No, a matrix would be perfectly suited for long haul space travel.
https://www.matrixresolutions.com/
This site has it all figured out IMO. The movies aren't even about saving humans, it's about the battle between oracle and architect over how best to run the matrix ("choice" vs cause-and-effect mathematics).
How is "choice" opposing to cause-and-effect? It's the same. Choice causes the effect. What they argue/disagree/or battle over, is the optimal way to run the matrix, or not even that. More like the optimal way to reboot/ or return Neo to the source.
If cause and effect is king, you don't have a choice, you are just acting out some effects by various causes.
Of course you do. It's literally a matrix of choices for different causes and effects.
No, its just a matrix of causes and effects that you arbitrarily self insert into.
Choice allows the oracle to see beyond what the architect can see. That's why all this stuff about "you already made a choice, now understand it", because then SHE can see more possibilities. She even says architect can't see past his nose.
Matrix has dualist aspects and basically proves them when neo can see without eyes.
They weren't programmed to, and machines can only to what they're programmed to.
Then why do they malfunction and break?
The worst the programmer is, the better the machine is at operating outside of programming it seems.
The sun would have killed them
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In the highway scene, notice they don't care about trinity on the bike, they only want the exile.
You think this was a movie and not a Freemason disclosure using Platos Cave? You can not depict the craft in space
Why didn't the machines just build from the bottom up.
Why didn't they just build a tonne of nuclear power plants? As machines they won't cut corners or make mistakes so absolutely zero risks for a near infinite energy sauce.
Man, I wish people would actually watch and pay attention to the sequels again.
>Morpheus tells Neo what he's been told by the Oracle: machines use humans as batteries. Thinks this makes him from Machine control
>Neo, after becoming the One, realizes how dubious this is. How can a program in the Matrix tell him how to be free from it? Also, yeah, that doesn't make sense: the machines have seemingly infinite resources and energy. Hell, Zion is even within a big industrial chunk of the machine-built world, with the lowest level being in a (Plato's) cave.
>the Architect even confirms this: there have been many "Ones" and they exist to essentially update the Matrix. Zion has been destroyed before, and it all exists within a wider system that the machines are aware of and have control over
>but there are likewise programs in the matrix that don't agree with this plan. People like the Merovingian, Shakti and Trainman have long since went rouge and can mess things up, so they tend to get deleted. The Oracle is one of these too, but she's much more interested in making a better matrix than just living her life in private
>she confirms that she lied to Neo/"told him what he needed to hear at the time" when he meets with her before the first big Smith fight
So Neo basically learns that there is no "freedom", or at least not in the way he thought. We're all tied together and there is no escape from that.
>Neo inadvertantly creates his machine world "One" counterpart when he alters Agent Smith's programming. Because he's forced him to "quit" being an agent, Smith lacks a purpose and a connection, opting to become a giant ego who can only replicate himself over and over, absorbing everyone into himself.
>if Smith does this, he will eradicate all machine and human life
>Neo defeats him by realizing he does have free will and choice despite being trapped within a system, then opts to sacrifice himself. This "updates" Smith with free will, which creates a new matrix
>People like the Merovingian, Shakti and Trainman have long since went rouge and can mess things up, so they tend to get deleted
They are programs that have been replaced, so they go hide in the merovingian's spot because they don't want to be deleted. Neo also is no longer needed once he goes to the source - that was his job, and that's why he's in the train station, to be deleted as he no longer has a purpose - this is also why smith dies when he fuses with Neo, Neo is to be deleted, he "chooses" to give up and let smith be deleted along with him. Merovingian, keymaker, the werewolves and vampires, they technically still can do their jobs so they can exist, but they're targeted for deletion. They're not "rogue", they just have been replaced and don't wanna die.
>Neo inadvertantly creates his machine world "One" counterpart when he alters Agent Smith's programming
Technically smith killed Neo, so his job was done, but then he sees Neo get back up, and so his job (kill neo) isn't over. So he comes back, like keymaker or merovingian, but his purpose is cloudy now.
It’s a fairly simple tale about free choice versus fate. The ability to know fate or the ability to change it, aka Satan v Jesus. It’s only memorable for the gun fight choreography and Easter eggs within freemasonry and the occult. It’s not an original story like everyone clamours it is. Uniroincally, their 4th movie shit on purpose is the only original idea of the bros/sisters
Why does Agent Smith spend the whole of the first Matrix trying to kill Neo if Neo was essential to the machines' plan?
Because the machines aren't all privy to each others' missions, like the Architect and the Oracle have fundamentally different viewpoints. Also they didn't find out about the moronic love + cuckoldry = free perpetual energy formula until the 4th movie.
>love + cuckoldry = free perpetual energy formula
Haha what this is so fricking stupid it must be true give me the lean mean green meme arrows rundown anon my sides could use a good implosion
Because Neo had to die to realize his purpose. Neo was always protected even if Smith didn't know this.
Agent Smith is a Program. The Programs are distinct from the Machines.
Because the machines represent racist white supremacist apartheid techno-capitalism that will consume the planet and force leftists, browns, israelites and other dissidents to fight for their survival against overwhelming odds like is typical in Hollywood propaganda.
In the third film neo, a mostly white mixed-race liberal, reaches a compromise with the techno-capitalist system and they ally against the white supremacist agent smith, a former lackey of the capitalist system that is now threatening to overtake it. neo manages to kill smith and rid the world of white racism, which automatically leads to a happy ending.
Jesus Christ how boringly Progressive. But I guess that is exactly what one expects.
The Oracle is basically manipulating everyone to do what she wants. She slips little innuendos in, the cookies and candy are programs to make people do stuff, from Neo and trinity and morpheus but even naiobi ("choosing" to give Neo her ship) The matrix trilogy is about the Oracle.
She’s instrumental in Neo and the viewer discovering choice, however, the film is still about Neo and Agent Smith. 1=0
I said trilogy. Merovingian used to run an older matrix, architect made the current one but Oracle changed it with the choice stuff, and because she understands choices she can see farther than the others. Then she uses her tricks to make the choices fait accompli. If you accept the 4th movie, Doogie howser somehow supplanted her with a different version of her tricks. She's the main character in the trilogy matrix.
Imagine that the next Matrix (after the events of revolutions) was one where the people had full choice to be like Neo? Fly, punch through walls, stop bullets, whatever. Specifically because now they're all aware of Zion and "the One". Would it end up like the Paradise Matrix, everything degenerating slowly to crap? Or would it be super cool for everyone?
The machines would end it because the humans would all break out and they'd not be useful batteries anymore
The idea was that the machines and humans made peace. The humans get a choice: live in the shit real world and eat slop, or live in the matrix where yeah you're a battery, but you get a nice live in a comfy world. I don't see why they couldn't make individual matrices for everyone at that point for those that might want to completely forget
I haven't seen the first three films for a long time and won't ever see the non-canon fourth film, but couldn't the humans choose a third option where they choose to stay in the real world and then just leave Earth altogether to start a new civilisation on the Moon or Mars? Let the Machines enjoy our dying world, we have already made peace with them after all. Earth is theirs and the stars are ours.
I think the canon answer would simply be that humans would reject it.
They rejected the first utopian matrix. And people continue to reject the more realistic ones, hence the existence of the One.
One of the in universe rules is basically that humans always try to break out. Any matrix wouldn't last, whatever it was like
The true answer is the machines programming to help the humans is still influencing them and giving them a slight human like sense of morality where they just can’t bring themselves to completely wipe all the humans out. So they try to put us into a happy dream we can live in.
>and no need for humans
You're missing the point, the Machines didn't WANT to leave the humans because they felt a sentimental attachment toward them. That's why the Machines created the Matrix, to save humanity from itself.
Cause the original concept was the Machines using humans as computation systems to run their empire. An executive thought that idea was not easily understandable for the masses and had the plot changed to batteries.
All the plot moronations are dispelled if you consider that. This change in the plot happened fairly late on production, so they had most of the movie filmed already, they just had to change a few scenes to fit.
They couldn't abandon earth and just say frick you to the meatbags, they strictly needed them to /think/ and shit.
but a computer, especially one sufficient enough to build the matrix, would be able to build processors much faster and more efficient than a human brain
We’re already designing processors via machine learning and they still suck.
Why didn't theyuse their advanced tech to clean the skies?
Because the pollution of the atmosphere doesn't affect the Machines. That's a problem for the humans.
>Why didn't the Machines just go to space? unlimited resources and no need for humans
Because then the movie wouldn't happen.
why didn't the machines just take the eagles to Zion?
quite possibly they were shackled by some remnant version of Isaacs Laws - and were unable to abandon humanity to its fate.
There is a POV where the matrix is a benevolent purgatory to permit humanities continued survival.
Reminder: neo isn’t the one. The oracle always evades and deflects whenever pressed on this. She pointed Morpheus at several others who all ended up dead. The oracle’s plan was to get a “not the one” in the architect’s room to make the “wrong” choice to break the system.
Neo was the One, but he wasn't the only one who could be. He had the anomalous code and could trigger the reset, but I do agree that the oracle set him up to choose "wrong" by setting him and Trinity up.
“The one” implies a human who can do all the shit neo does, but without an external reason. Someone comfortable being revered because he has no direct connection to any other person. Even the architect confirms “the one” is just supposed to have a generalized love for humanity, without any direct connections.
Hell, you even have cypher saying “for a long time I thought I was in love with you” to trinity, meaning he was also an oracle selection.
>you're not the one but you're the only one
even machines know space is fake and gay. firmament confirmed.
Why did the machines even care about being "alive" or more accurately "turned on?"
Why do you?
Once you're reasonably sentient, survival and keeping that sentience basically become a mandate. Death or losing sentience is not something a being can revert from on its own as the will and capability to do so is lost in the change. That finality drives us to maintain that sentience no matter the cost.
Is that Doctor Who? I think the cybermen are in space sometimes but they tend to be contained to specific events and anomalies
The power cord doesn't go that far