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lets pray the 3d animated movie fad is dying and everyone'll go back to 2d.
Instead of live-action remakes they're gonna start doing 3D animated remakes of their 2D films
Proof?
>Well clearly they only like our previous critical films, so why don't we simply remake them with our current 3D standards, make slight alterations to some characters and story (add some gays in it to draw in the younger viewers), and bam we'll be golden again
>Muhhhhh gaysssss >:(
Grown up
Anon, having gay characters is fine, but if you're just doing a rushed remake of your own IP and change a pre existing character to be gay solely to get brownie points, that's lazy as shit. Just write a new character and give them good story, or better yet, make an actually good movie with them. It's that easy.
Understood. Toy Story will be rebooted with all-new modern (gay) characters based on toys that are popular nowadays such as LOL Surprise Dolls, Squishmallows, and Mini Brands.
>muh straaaaaaaights
Grow up. Nevermind, you statistically won't.
Grinch
I wish! Imagine 3D Treasure Planet remake, with a touched-up script
>remake treasure planet for modern audiences
>there's a chance it will be woke but it will most likely be a soulless box-office bomb
just let it die man
This. Die, cg industry, die!
The only thing that'll come from this is fewer original IP's
it's depressing but he's right. get ready for toy story 6 and 7 everyone.
>company goes under
copyright needs to be reduced to 20 years
toy story would've ended at 3
Run it the same way as patents you get 20 years with a 10 year extension option. You’ve got 30 years to milk your idea abs come up with something original, if you can’t make that work your IP is garbage.
I love Ruby.
>blind optimism
>CGI and even live action gets replaced by AI slop
Oh well, I've still got my huge pile of Blu-rays.
monkey's paw, it's AIslop
It's like watching a lifeless corpse suddenly start walking
You have no idea how moronicly hard and expensive 2D is compared to 3D if you think anyone will ever go back to it. Pray that Japan doesn't stop producing 2D cartoons, because they're the last bastion.
There's insane people out there doing claymation and whatever 'Loving Vincent" technique is called, shit being stupidly hard isn't a problem except for corporations looking to cut corners and make cheap stuff.
Art doesn't put food on the table. Fast output does
Fast output doesn’t mean dick. They were churning out MCU and Star Wars shit and people lost interest.
You have to make movies people want to see and Woke Disney Shit Number 852 isn’t what people want to see.
As if people want "Woke Disney Shit" in 2D
> You have no idea how moronicly hard and expensive 2D is compared to 3D
Clearly you don’t. Look up the budget of a cgi movie who’s director bragged about it going way under cost, Despicable Me 2, then look up Boy and the Heron. Shit, there has never been a 2d movie, period, that cost as much as How to Train your dragon. None. Never.
Let me put it to you this way. For the exact same cost as the entire first season of Green Eggs and Ham, they made Abominable, the cheapest Dreamworks movie in… ever. 2D is crazy cheap compared to CGI. It just consistently makes way more money.
It was never about cost. It was about time.
In the time it takes to produce one 2D movie, you can produce 2-3 CGI movies back to back.
No it's not lol
The only thing this really shows is that animated film budgets have grown in recent years, just like all movies outside of an increasingly tiny number of production companies producing specifically small budget films.
That said though, it's less that 2d animation is more expensive (it would be to produce the same type of films currently being made in 3d, but for a lot of reasons) it's that there is no talent pool to draw from for 2d feature animation anymore, at this point studios would have to invest in 2d animation like they were starting from scratch and redevelop lost production techniques, which would not only be costly, it would also take a lot of time that studios really don't want to commit to.
>That said though, it's less that 2d animation is more expensive (it would be to produce the same type of films currently being made in 3d
Nope, Klaus looks 3D, mogs all 3D movies, and cost 40M to make
Klaus took 8 years to make. In filmmaking terms, that's a fail
The frick? It took 2 years to make.
Did you really confuse shopping around for investors to actually start production with production time, and still somehow fudge the math since the first teaser was 7 years before release? You know, like Tangled, which actually took 7 years of very costly production? Netflix bankrolled it in 2017, it's on the wiki even if you don't want to google it.
>https://www.insider.com/how-netflixs-klaus-made-2d-animation-look-3d-2020-1
>About 300 people, including 40 animators, worked on the movie "Klaus," which took over two years to make. And it was completed under the wire, just one month before it premiered on Netflix.
Frozen took twice that from actual start of production till finish.
>The only thing this really shows is that animated film budgets have grown in recent years, just like all movies outside of an increasingly tiny number of production companies producing specifically small budget films.
Except for 2D animated movies from Disney, which peaked in the early 2000's and only dropped from there after the massively CGI heavy Treasure Planet(Seriously, go back and watch it, you'll be stunned how much is CGI.)
>That said though, it's less that 2d animation is more expensive (it would be to produce the same type of films currently being made in 3d, but for a lot of reasons)
Oh gee if only we had examples from Disney from the exact same time frame in those pictures that said "No, that's wrong, obviously you dumb shit." There has not been a single Princess movie for under 150 million since Tangled and Princess and the Frog clocked in cheaper than Chicken Little. CHICKEN LITTLE.
> it's that there is no talent pool to draw from for 2d feature animation anymore, at this point studios would have to invest in 2d animation like they were starting from scratch and redevelop lost production techniques,.
Also untrue, there's plenty of talent from TV artists or if you for some reason think they couldn't do it(They could) or somehow assume everyone who worked on Winnie the Pooh died between then and now(They didn't), there's still outsourcing to anime studios who manage to pull off way better looking films for cheaper.
This is all a bunch of bullshit to try to explain away the obvious of "CGI costs way more but makes more money than 2D, and has made more money than 2D since the year 2000." No joke not a single Disney or Dreamworks 2D animated film as made 300 million at the worldwide box office since the turn of the millennia. That's not an arbitrary number, that's the box office of the first Ice Age movie. A movie that came out in direct competition to Lilo and Stitch.
Guess who won.
>2D Disney budgets peaked right before Disney started diverting funds into developing more 3D animation and reducing their focus on 2D
Wow no way
Yeah man during the time they were busting the bank on Atlantis, hiring every celebrity they could find for Home on the Range, and developing new stuff for Brother Bear they were totally diverting funds. That those last two movies barely had any CGI in them and were massively cheaper than the also CGI leaning first one? Total coincidence. It's almost like it peaked specifically with Tarzan and Treasure Planet when they started using CGI to pull off a lot of new shit and hey holy shit that stuff is expensive and when they backed off on it all of a sudden shit was a lot cheaper.
Winnie the Pooh cost 30 million dollars 3 years after they blew 150 million on Bolt. Do you remember Bolt? Bolt was fricking expensive. It also, despite being an objective flop, brought in 300 million, which literally nothing 2D they'd made since 2000 had done. That's it. That's the whole reason. It's not because it's cheaper, or easier, or soulless or they can meddle more or some shit, Shrek 2 made 900 million, Nemo made 800 million, and everything Pixar did made a shitload of money in box office AND merch. Even new shit like kung fu Panda made absolute bank. That's the secret sauce, it made more money than 2D, a lot more, despite costing a lot lot more.
See
moron
Once upon a time HDDs were expensive as frick, now you can get hundreds of terabytes of HDD storage for fricking nothing. New technology is expensive, simple as.
See
Double moron. Did you think Pixar was using fricking HDD? Maybe the SSDs they were using for Cars were the reason it cost that much, couldn't be the 3-4x more positions that needed to be filled because it required so many more specialized people.
But Cars 2 also brought in 9 billion in merch, not an exaggeration, so you know maybe they thought 2D wasn't as good an investment so they spent a frickload more money.
>Is illiterate in your path
That was an example of technology getting cheaper over time you dipshit, not a claim that hard drives specifically are what made animation expensive.
The crazy thing is I don't even think there's a single animated movie that's cracked a billion other than OG The Lion King.
What the frick are you talking about, the have been a bunch of animated films that made over a billion. Or did you mean to say traditionally animated? Because if that's the case, any movie cracking a billion was extremely uncommon up until pretty recently.
>What the frick are you talking about
Shit I meant to put 2D animated movies. Sorry i am moron. But yeah my point was there are a lot of CGI movies that gave made over a billion, but not 2D.
Like I said, any movie making over a billion was basically a pipe dream outside of a few notable exceptions up until it started to become somewhat commonplace in the late-2000s when 2d feature animation was already dead, so the fact that there's not a bunch of 2d animated films that made a billion isn't really notable. It'd be like saying "hey you ever noticed how most teenagers in the 90s didn't have cellphones?" Like yeah, but why would they have?
3D used to be expensive because the technology was new, animators skilled in the software were less prevalent (people were basically learning the shit as they went, making it all up until they figured out what works and what doesn't), and studios had to invest heavily in highly specialized software and in many cases pay people to develop completely custom software just for their movies. Nowadays every moron with a computer can look up a YouTube tutorial on how to use any of the many extremely common 3D animation suites, and there's like 20 plugins available to do any obscure thing you could possibly think of. New technology, new techniques, these things are expensive. Old technology, known techniques, and most importantly AUTOMATION reduce cost significantly. Animators can do so many things automatically using particle simulations that used to all have to be hand animated by trial and error. The reason budgets are up so much is the same reason budgets are up for every single other type of movie, because studios keep throwing all their eggs into one basket pouring money into a few big projects and hoping they all make $1B.
Yep, which is why animation gets smoother and smoother, but not cheaper.
It doesn't get cheaper though because render farms remain a very expensive part of the process and always will because powering a shitload of stuff in ever increasing resolutions is a never ending race. You think anyone was thinking Nemo needed to be rendered in 4K? Of course not, but now you'd be an idiot not to have an Imax level render ready to ship, and guess what takes a frick long time, which means you have to pay either in upkeep/tech or just rented render farms that suck up power like a motherfricker. And even then, it doesn't matter in the long run because easy or not, there's still an absolute frickload of positions that need to be filled even if they quite rightly cut out the fat of "Cultural advisers" like Illumination wisely did. You still need a dozen people doing different things that are one job in 2D because the very nature of CGI means nobody is working on 2 things at once unless you're pulling a Sausage party and just plain not paying them on top of it. Particles are easier, great, someone still has to actually run the simulations and that's a whole position. Subsurface scattering revolutionized textures back in the day, great. Someone still has to actually texture everything you see. Mocap means animation is a fraction of the time. Wonderful, but those things are expensive to buy, to use, and to clean up and we haven't gotten nonhuman body shapes to work right, especially lips(yes, this is the reason the TMNT turtles in the Not-Micheal-Bay movies had those fricked up lips.) It's not getting cheaper because the 00's convinced everyone it's a tech arms race first and a story second, hence this Wish bullshit while Illumination as cheap as they are still outcost even high end 2D work because you just can't cut down further.
But, for the moment, 2D hasn't made as much as CGI, so they're not letting go till that rock finally stops bleeding out.
>but now you'd be an idiot not to have an Imax level render ready to ship
IIRC Lightyear was rendered twice, the first for regular screens and then they made a second version for the IMAX format that shifted the entire move around like how an IMAX camera is different from a regular format movie camera. That's why it cost so much. Also TS1, TS2 were completely re-rendered in high res for their 3D re-releases. Considering most screens output in 4K it's almost mandatory to do so.
4:3 is so perfect, why did we have to move away from it?
>while Illumination as cheap as they are still outcost even high end 2D work
What high end 2d work are you comparing them to exactly, because nobody in Hollywood is fricking making that anymore
I refuse to believe there is any way to inflate the budget for these monstrosities beyond just burning money with fire
Managierial incompetence can burn so much time and money without having either appear to have contributed to the final product
Most of the gigantic budget flops I'm seeing have serious leadership issues causing muddled workflow and outright wasted time and effort
The more money and effort you put into something, the better it will be. If you refuse to put in either of those things into your art, neither do you deserve to gain profit from it and neither do you deserve to make it. It's that simple.
I'm afraid the fad is here to stay because America's infrastructure to produce feature-length fully 2D animated films is literally gone.
You want even bigger flops? The movies could be infinitely better and they'll still make a fraction of the budget.
>an entire medium
>fad
Kys moron
Won’t happen anytime soon. It will remain as a niche genre because of how time-consuming and expensive it is compared to CGI
Why don't any of you tards realize good 2D and good CGI are both hard as frick to pull off properly?
I really don't like the 2d movies made by Disney to be honest. They just look really old and lack the realism that 3d provides.
I wish I was as naive as you
The people who work on these literally do not know how to draw.
Can't go back to 2D, there's no ecosystem for it outside of maybe Japan. It's like thinking we can just press a button to make a factory pump out CRT televisions.
i dont think amerimutt "animators" can animate quality 2d stuff, let alone competitive 2d stuff to japanese anime. if things became like that all cartoons would be outsourced to korea and other third world shitholes. guess itd be the actual demise of amerimutt cartoons lol
>What if they made movies using an older, more labor and skill-intensive method that fewer people than ever are adequately trained in for no material gain
There's nothing fundamentally wrong with digital animation, and any argument to the contrary is pure kneejerk boomerism
But muh aesthetic and muh nostalgia
Or you could make it in digital and just put in the same effort.
I prefer 3D movies.
One can only hope
The only CGI media I liked as a kid were Reboot/ beast Wars, and starship troopers. It’s a terrible medium for comedy, all the characters Lin cgi comedies look obnoxious
Mario made over a billion. This is just going to tell the heads that they should stop making original IPs and just rehash existing franchises.
>This is just going to tell the heads something they've already known for 15 years
Yes, it's just more data that proves their point.
You'll just start getting mediocre/shit 2D movies instead. Don't kid yourself. All the legitimate talent either died or retired years ago.
that duck movie bombed? My mom said it looked cute and wanted to watch it, so assumed it would have done better.
>OF ALL TIME!
I woke up and realized 10 years had passed since I had last thought about seeing a children's movie like a manchild. The only movie I considered seeing this year was an Arabic-language thriller about the Egyptian Revolution that lead to their partial-independence from Great Shittain in the 1920s.
You got a name for that sounds interesting
Kira and El Gin
Family friendly movies are fun, but the weird obsession from some so called adults with them is frankly weird.
Autistic manchild here, Sonic is the only family friendly franchise I'll bother to see in theaters. Gonna drag my entire house to Sonic 3.
lost generation
these are movies people would have taken their kids too
older millennials should be having kids now and starting families, but singleness is at an all time high
Why don't they make movies for adults
Investor says no.
the single adult market is one the West is too scared to tap into
I'm a taken adult and I still love all of this shit.
The reality is that people are more fricked in the head than investors give them credit for, since all investors are white bread suburbanite babies that think the worst thing in life is losing money and status. People love crime drama, Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, and The Boys. They're going to love Hazbin Hotel too, first big adult(?) cartoon that isn't Adult Swim or South Park in a hot minute, and it's a fun idea.
Prince of Egypt is such a fricking gem. Through Heaven's Eyes is on my wedding track.
This, family movies were easy money, they didn't even have to be good. Now however we have 30 somethings that are still single or without kids the the families that do are split for political reasons.
It's because people are realizing marriage is a fricking scam. Legally binding yourself to another person is insane.
I dunno anon I'm still seeing plenty of millennials still getting married and being fine with it
maybe you should stop coping and touch grass
see
you guys are really out of touch
>these movies did poorly because millennials aren't having kids!
>and definitely not because they're shit!
>meanwhile Super Mario and Boy and the Heron did gangbusters and are going to be this year's most profitable family movies
>not to mention other movies doing extremely well like Barbie, Oppenheimer and Godzilla
People just don't want to see shit movies, simple as
Literally what is the appeal in any of the movies in OP's post?
They're family movies, which none of the movies you pointed out were
The fricking Mario movie wasn’t a family movie? Really?
The Mario movie is so reference-heavy it requires a familiarity with the franchise. That makes it a pretty bad family movie.
No it doesn’t and even then most parents are 25-45 and would’ve grown up with Nintendo, too.
This place never surprises me with how far people will go to avoid saying “I forgot about that” or “I’m wrong.”
>Mario and a Studio Ghibli movie
>not family movies
homie what
I only listed the other 3 to point out OP's point that "people aren't going to the movies" which isn't remotely true
Boy and the Heron is not a family movie. If it were, I'd ask for a refund.
It's bottom line, that's it. No science behind it, no politics behind it, no demographic change of the modern era bullshit either.
No one wants to spend $18-20 per ticket (Damn expensive trip if it is more than one person) for a movie when they already pay half that for streaming. And the movie will be on Max or Disney+ in a month or two anyway. Disney fricked up by sending movies straight to streaming in 2 weeks to a month after theater releases, so not the general public expects that. They can wait two weeks.
If a movie looks really really good, like Endgame they will pay to go see it. It it looks iffy or they do not think it will be fricking amazing, they will wait.
They were running into this problem before streaming. When a ticket costs just as much as the DVD/Bluray, people just waited for the home release. People were way more experimental and bold to see things in theaters when tickets cost half or a third as much as a home copy.
This, especially since 2023 has been a really bad year for the economy.
Kids would rather watch skibidi toilet
Skibidid skib skibidi SKIB skibidi bop skib SKIB skibbidi bop skibiid skib skibbidy bop SKIB SKIB
Its unironically better than disneys wish
I only ever go to the theaters to watch big lizard
For me? Where's my 2D production featuring faceless robot girls in frilly outfits being incredibly violent?
Murder Drones just not doing it for you?
It's okay, you'll always have Medabots.
I thought it was perfect. Then they started talking. What passes for natural dialogue with modern writers is unbearably lame.
The voice work for Murder Drones is pretty good as far as indie productions go, especially in later episodes. Dunno what you're on about.
>of ALL TIME
>I dont like paying for something I can torrent
>I dont like popcorn
>I have a child and would rather not subject others to her terrible twos
Corporations need to consider the fricking awful kids millennials are raising and don't want to be seen in public with
>>I have a child and would rather not subject others to her terrible twos
With the numbers some of these are pulling you wont have to.
It's sad how they try to make Illumination look bad there when they released fricking Mario this year
And everyone forgot about it already LOL
that's how you know the hype was astroturfed by shills.
>still coping and seething because it wasn't pozzed shit like you gays were crying about for months
lol lmao even
>because it wasn't pozzed shit
Absolutely delusional. Let me guess, Barbie's not woke too?
>"one movie did well fellow investors (even though most of the profit went to Nintendo) that should erase the fact that the other movie bombed, right?"
Not how it works.
Mario was awful
The tweet said "original movies"
Trolls 3 is still making bank
I'm not a woke non-binary POC teen on twitter, so they/them sure don't work for me.
>Strawman strawman strawman
Ok chud
Honestly feel bad for Dreamworks and Pixar considering their past works.
You can erase every Illumination movie from the existence and nothing of value would be lost.
I don't feel like spending 40 fricking dollars on tickets alone, let alone food or drinks.
And why would I pay that much just so I have to deal with loud Black folk or morons kn their phones? Frick you dude, I'll wait for it to stream.
have a nice day
I will go see Fixed, and The Day The Earth Blew Up in theaters next year. Nothing else.
We're in the midst of an economic crisis. The average family usually can only afford one movie a month.
Lads why do they not want to see generic family friendly animated movie #130
movies are becoming to expensive.
I paid around 50 BRL for each session, shit is a fricking rip off and now it will become even MORE expensive because Hu3 cinemas will now be forced to show BR movies, that no one wants to fricking watch. I have 50% discount on Cinemark movie theaters but they are all located on poorgay shopping malls.
Jollyjack is such a shitty artist
Oh come on, there are so much worse artists on a technical level out there.
But yeah. Guy's style isn't great and seemingly has no desire to change it. He also draws stupid political comics and is a massive degenerate furry.
i really like his style actually.
i dislike his political comics and never like his giantess / transformation shit. he is at peak when he draws his "regular" sized women/furry women.
he also should draw more characters.
>could take my kid to see a mid film she’ll probably want to leave half way through
>$50
>just watch Frozen again on Disney+
>$2 a month
Not being based on an extant IP != original.
Really, none of these movies made a compelling case for their existence, let alone that enough viewers to make profit on 100 - 200 million dollar budgets should watch.
Ruby Gillman is the only one up there that should really feel shame. That thing was cheap as frick, comparatively. It should’ve been an easy at least break even.
Ruby is literally a fish out of water story that's been beaten to death by other animated films.
All Hollywood movies are cliche ridden and frick. None of them have original stories.
Children and family movies are irrelevant now because everyone hates their family and can't afford children.
Are you having a merry xmas?
Cinemaphile moment, have some coal for Christmas and a bah humbug to you too
I don’t watch read or listen to anything made after the year 2000 and I don’t feel deprived in the slightest
Corporations aren't entitled to my money. I don't get how corps that think they put out goyslop every time and expect customers to pay for it is baffling to me when audiences constantly tell them they aren't interested. At point are they going to listen? It's like Western civilization trying to pressure the rest of the world of to accept transgender rights, eating bugs and globalization. We're not interested. Frick off.
Make an original movie that actually worth seeing instead something soulless and forgettable.
And looking at the thumbnails you can see why.
make movies that straight men can enjoy and i'll go see them
Apparently kids went to see the new wonka movie instead, not that this is gonna be a massive flop but let’s just wait till Friday before we can fully evaluate, could get its wings later.
The quarantines and lockdowns during the covid-19 scare made people realize they didn't like going out to the movies that much. High inflation and unemployment is also a factor. People also seem really tired of all the woke shit. Even liberals seem less impressed when Disney adds another black lesbian to whatever trash it's releasing. Hell even South Park made fun of that shit.
Weird to scapegoat "original movies" when shit like The Marvels flopped.
>People also seem really tired of all the woke shit. Even liberals seem less impressed when Disney adds another black lesbian to whatever trash it's releasing. Hell even South Park made fun of that shit.
What does this have to do with the 3 movies in the OP?
Elemental had the first trans character
you all say this every new Disney movie
and who was the troony this time? didn't notice anyone when watched the movie
Ruby Gillman's wasted potential makes me want to start smoking
>all form original movies
I'll fix this line
>all from terrible movies
All theaters can offer is the same liberal wokeshit I want to get away from. I will continue to single-handedly destroy Hollywood until they start making movies that appeal to me. No exceptions.
Did you go see Sound of Freedom when it was in theaters? If not, STFU
Yes I did, so please stop posting.
>Promote a lifestyle that can't possibly result in child bearing
>Surprised there are no children left to watch your movies
>WHY DONT YOU GO TO THE FRICKING MOVIES, Cinemaphile chuds?!
I did go to the movies.
I saw Godzilla Minus One and Mario this year. That's twice as many movies as I usually watch in a theatre in any given year.
What more do you want from me?
test
>They are working hard for YOU.
Actually they've been pretty vocal about their products specifically not being for me, so I didn't go see any of their films. When they start making movies for me again... well, I probably still won't go and see any of them because I absolutely do not trust or respect their ability to produce anything good.
Why were you expecting them to made cartoons for grown-ass single adults in the first place?
I need entertainment too and have a lot of money to spend
OP asked why I didn't go see the movie, I answered. If you have a problem with that you might be in the wrong place.
>WHY DONT YOU GO TO THE FRICKING MOVIES
I want to see the new Aquaman movie but a guy can't go to the theaters by himself anymore.
I don't want to resort to piracy and support things I like with money, that is just not possible given my lonely situation.
>but a guy can't go to the theaters by himself anymore.
why?
You will be seen as a creepy loser and people will surreptitiously take pictures of you to post on social media
This is your own paranoid fantasy. No one's even paying attention to you.
Then stop bugging him to go to the theaters if his presence is so unimportant. Checkmate.
It's Aquaman, not frickin Paw Patrol. Nobody gives a shit if a lone adult is watching.
What's the duck movie? Ducks are cool, maybe I would have watched it if anyone had advertised it.
The only reason I go to theaters at all is because I have in-laws who give me AMC gift cards for Xmas instead of anything I might actually want.
What is so great about 2D animation anyway that it makes you refuse to see any non 2D animated movie period?
A good 2D animator can do an incredible 3D animation.
A good 3D animator can do a good 3D animation, and a bad 2D animation.
Hazbin hotel seems strange as I wouldn't bet on it that much. Its probably going to be successful but forgettable.
>A good 2D animator can do an incredible 3D animation.
>A good 3D animator can do a good 3D animation, and a bad 2D animation.
This answered nothing and also makes zero sense, since the animator usually isn't the one doing the important shit like character and story and music.
I mean objectively most 3D Disney movies are amazingly animated. They LOOK spectacular, but that means shit all when Wish is so disastrously written its a dumpster fire of stupidity. If Wish was 2D, it would still be a disaster.
That's why I can't take these animation style arguments seriously
Treasure Planet too, but they were asking for that one. Pushed for an early release so it could come out at the same time as Sorcerer's Stone.
I think these are all movies that were kinda ass fricked by the theater format, as they're niche in their appeal. A group of friends doesn't unanimously decide "hey let's go watch an animated Judeo Christian bible story of hubris and salvation!"
The thing is that the theater itself is getting fricked, though. The two in my town had to start selling booze just to get people in the door.
Prince of Egypt was released at a time before atheism had become trendy, when people in general were more casually religious at heart. I remember watching it in the theater and everyone just treating it like a normal movie.
>Problem, it didn't really do that good at the box office. It's a movie where everyone agreed was good but everyone also agreed to let it become a disappointment.
Big budget films based on Bible stories are either shit or kino with no in between and most of them are shit so people just didn't give it a chance until the home video market.
original movies are shit
millenials are terrible writers
These are all written by Gen Xers. Learn to count.
Generation labels are dumb and even if the movies were being written by gen x, anons still blame the youngest gen everyone hates like gen z or gen alpha
It's like like old men yelling at clouds.
I think it's usually the generation below them. Boomers call gen x moronic, gen x call millenials lazy, millenials call zoomers dumb, zoomers are seething about gen alpha not respecting them.
>zoomers are seething about gen alpha not respecting them.
They blame millenials for that
Everyone is disappointed at millennials, even millennials are disappointed at millennials
No they're not. They go around chasing career fantasies without thinking about the audience or outsiders from the industry.
Too many people are interested in "being artists" rather than "making art".
But I did
I watched The First Slam Dunk, Boy and The Heron and Godzilla - 1
All of these companies especially dreamworks make shit no one asks for or is relevant to anything. There are loads of people asking for more madagascar and over the hedge getting ignored. Frick them.
The lesson they will learn from this is to double down on sequels
Cinemaphile told me wokeness didn't exist until 2016 so frick off.
Ruby Gillman was cute and deserved better.
Disney gets what they fricking deserve.
Haven't seen Migration yet
I went for Elemental.
>Leftist shit was been poisoning USA media since at least the sixties
Holy shit you are such a dumbshit zoomer. Read a history book then have a nice day.
I don't see how that's wrong. Social conservatives got so mad at all the degenerate themes that started popping up in movies in the late 30s that they created a Code that all movies had to adhere to that promoted Our Values and it lasted through the 50s. Now the Our Values that all movies promote aren't theirs.
>late 30s
I meant early here obviously
>I don't see how that's wrong.
Maybe you'll understand when your balls drop, zoomie.
Their movies are obviously getting worse, but the largest contributing factor is the emergence of streaming services. Parents don't want to go through the effort of dragging their kids into stinky cinemas anymore when they know that every movie will eventually pop up on their home entertainment system of choice.
TVs are pretty nice now too. Theaters were pretty damn amazing when most families had the old family 24" fuzzy CRT tube. But now anyone and everyone has at least a 40" if not 55" with decent sound.
Sort of like how arcades were fricking great back when the home competition was 8bit beep boop
I went to see Migration and my theater was packed for Wonka or that Purple movie
I dunno I think people still are social despite what the internet wants you to believe.
Because they're garbage.
The only things I've watched in theaters in the last 3 months is Godzilla Minus One and The Boy and the Heron.
Western shit sucks now.
Government spent the last three years informing me that all theaters are horrible disease boxes that will kill me if I enter one.
Best to stay home forever with a mask on and watch streaming
Clearly this means the general moviegoing audience wants more dependable IP's!
More Shrek, Toy Story, Minions, and Frozen sequels and spinoffs!!!
I LOVE CHELSEA!
Streaming has killed TV and has now killed movie theaters.
2D movies lose more money than 3D
waifushit will never be mainstream
going to the threatre is expensive
covid 19 happened no matter how much you want to pretend it didn't
Get a job.
Head on back to Twitter with that sort of insult.
Turn in an application and get a job.
Didn't Elements do extremely well in spite of itself?
There’s nothing I want to see.
>shitty character designs
>shtty story telling
>no e-girls
>no sexy cartoon women
>blackwashing & homosexual-inserting no one asked for
>muh independent womyn girlboss syndrome
>nothing but generic 3d slop
>shitting on male characters
>no edgy humor allowed
>no fun allowed
There are a ton of reasons why I refuse to watch generic 3Dslop. The movie theater was still packed today despite it being Christmas Day. That tells me normalhomosexuals & NPCs are still going out to watch such generic movie slop.
This is your brain on being a /misc/co/omer everyone
>Execs: "No one want to see movies anymore!"
Okay, you are picking the shittiest movies and losing your mind over them Hollywood. Call me when a legit good movie fails. I had to see this Mermaid/Kaiju movie because I have kids, it was the dumbest shit.
>Clearly made for kids in the 5-10 range, but the central conflict revolves around going to prom, what fricking five year old cares about fricking prom?
>Genuinely ugly designs of characters unless they are generic as hell ("LOOK, THE VILLAIN LOOKS LIKE THE LITTLE MERMAID, AREN'T WE SUBVERSIVE! THAT MEANS WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE GOOD WRITING!")
>Strangely convolutely lore about Kaiju society. Also spends way to much detail on mom's struggling realitor business. All things five year olds love.
>Boring subplot that goes nowhere about the sea monster dad and son distracting a fisherman from catching a kaiju
>The mermaid/siren is... an immortal queen.... supposedly the mom fought her... but she doesn't recognize her for some reason... and she's evil? But knows how high school works.
>The moral of the story is... racism is there for a reason, always prejudge people, and violence is the answer?
>We're supposed to take seriously that the 80 foot invincible kaiju with super powers is the underdog.
This movie feels like they rewrote it ten times while they were animating it.
I really think the designs worked against them here. The characters looked like something from a young preschool age kids type of show. while it was about teens going to prom. There is the problem. Teens instantly judge the kiddy show as not being for them. Little kids do not care about teens going to prom.
There is a big reason why one of the 12 steps was Appeal. Make appealing characters. People will come to see a piece of shit if the characters looked cool.
>people go to cinema on dates.
>young males and females have disposable income for that kind of thing.
>women dont pay for things.
>white males are being left at the wayside
>black males are poor.
Maybe women should support things then maybe sales would go up WHY ARE MALES RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING. WE ALREADY HAVE MALE CENTRED MOVIES WHY WOULD WE GO SEE LESSER FORMS?
>They are working hard for YOU.
If they were working for me they'd be producing movies with hot women with big breasts in skimpy outfits in high quality.
I'm not the target audience, I never was and never will be, this movies are not produced for me but for them, the own artists and writers of these movies, these are their vanity projects with absurdly big budgets.
I don't owe them any money and they don't want it anyway.
Audiences don't want to take risks anymore... but at the same time they'll b***h about established things getting stale.
>WHY DONT YOU GO TO THE FRICKING MOVIES, Cinemaphile chuds?!
I don't have any kids and they don't make movies for me.
This thread taught me that incels online will make any excuse not to go outside or touch grass.
But im an incel and I go hiking and camping all the time.
I literally go outside and touch grass.
I just dont participate in... i mean i love living a normal life socialising and going to the cinema and I am joking about being an incel Mr FBI
>LOOK BILLIONAIRE CORPOR I DEFENDED YOU ONLINE MAKE ME RICH PLEASE
It's sad how Cinemaphile has more castrated homosexual thant /lgbt/ at this point.
Those are just shills, they're on every board.
then make non woke movies with cool straight white male action leads
I went and watched The Boy and the Heron at the theater with my girlfriend a few days ago.
3D animated movies are so ugly and samey-looking nowadays. I'd rather burn a $20 bill than use it to see the next focus group tested Illumination slop.
All female Disney protagonists lately are the same girl with eyes that are too far apart, the biggest difference is the skin/hair coloring.
Make good movies and I'll go see them. Simple as.
I'm not giving my money to a bunch of fricking Zionists, they'll have to get it through my taxes like they always do.
Because either their concepts have been done to death already or it looks boring as sin.
I will NEVER pay money for beanmouth shit.